Visual Novels

Hi Sup Forums, let's talk visual novels.

what's something you've always wanted to see in a VN? I feel motivated to make something and share with you guys if you're interested.

I was thinking about making something a bit more psychological that really tugs at the heartstrings and hits deep - or do you prefer pure sex VNs?

For heroins do you prefer something different like monstergirls? cookie-cutter stereotypes? playing on those stereotypes or something completely different?

realistic or pure fantasy, far from reality?

What are your favourite visual novels?

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a VN where you do nothing but romance fat girls.

There are definitely very few fat girls in VNs I think having one could be really cute.

I just want a when they cry 5-6

I'm sure one exists somewhere buddy

>what's something you've always wanted to see in a VN?
Futanari heroine in a VN that's not a nukige.

do you think a lot of people would want to play as a grill though?

But I want to play as a boy, user. Heroine's dick also has to be larger.

>I feel motivated to make something
Then start writing one now. Don't even wait for this thread to finish. Don't use waiting for some shitty ideas as an excuse to procrastinate. If you really feel motivated then you also already know what kind of VN you want to write and you'll have started actually writing some of it before tomorrow.

PROTIP: you don't need any sound design or art until you have at least the skeleton of the story complete. At most you need a vague idea of what the key characters will look like until you have that much sorted out.

Debutopia

Thanks for the tips user, I'm just really stuck in terms of writing right now - I'm more of an artist but I've been really inspired by Welcome to the NHK recently - I don't want to make a VN like them but more about the realistic characters in it - like something that plays on stuff like anxiety or something of the sort

>working on a VN
>everyone whos played it so far thinks its cute
>don't wanna post it on Sup Forums since everyone will call it SJW because the protag isn't white
>suck it up and post it in /agdg/
>one got booed out of the thread
At least it's almost done and all 4 of my friends will play it.

>>one got booed out of the thread
Oops, what I meant to say was I posted one screenshot and got booed out of the thread.

my man

I can say to you now, it will 99,99% be pure shit, or you won´t finish it at all. The market is saturated with VNs, problem is that only a select few of them are good.

When people say Clannad, Fate and other shit like If My Heart Had Wings are good, is simply because they haven´t read/experienced a lot of works.

SG do a lot of things right, but also some things wrong, like the merry-go-around of the girls.

The best VNs are the ones that tell a story. Saya no Uta and Muramasa are one the few.

if a mexican fuck can make va11 hall-a then you have NO excuses. NONE.

>a VN where you do nothing but romance fat girls
Go back to tumblr. Being fat is something that you inflict upon yourself and an indicator of a slothful greedy personality.

>Futanari heroine in a VN that's not a nukige.
I guess that technically would be an inversion of the norm... You'd have to be a really competent romance writer to make it work. If it's a typical highschool romance thing then it could be interesting if it took the Hourou Musuko route and focused it on the MC dealing with bullying for the most part.

The main problem with doing futa is that they don't exist.

Post the screenshot you fucking hack. DO IT DO IT DO IT

I know this feeling user - I kinda wanted to make something revolved around bullying but I worry people will see it as a soapbox or something
It's a shame we can't really touch on obscure subjects or do something different without it being seen as Tumblr, but keep trying! I would like to see your game !

shut up moogy

>Friends liking it
Maybe because they are not honest? They are your friends. Post screen.

>The main problem with doing futa is that they don't exist.
I know. Don't rub it in ;_;

I want it to be really heavily story-based though, I get really really sick of seeing the same shit over and over again, other inspiration for me besides Welcolme to the NHK is Aku no Hana, low budget but god damn does it make me feel nostalgic and melancholic.

Also is this a cute artstyle to use or do you guys prefer it to be really anime looking?

>prefer it to be really anime looking
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>Aku no Hana
>Low budget
>???
For the love of god, did you watch the shitty anime adaptation? You pretty much did yourself a huge disservice then. Fucking read the manga and don´t talk about the garbage anime.

A storybased futanari VN could be a really nice route - aren't you guys sick of HIghschool themes by now though? what about something in a work environment or college? School is obviously easier but isn't it tired out by now?

The only VNs made by anons that are considered great (that I know of) are Katawa Shoujo, Everlasting Summer, and Unteralterbach.

Of those three, Katawa Shoujo is the one that shines out the most thanks to its surprisingly realistic (and therefore immersive) writing. ES is mainly great because of its soundtrack, clever themes, and hidden routes. The other one is just so politically incorrect that it's fucking hilarious. None of them have voice acting, and yet still all of them were made by teams of over a dozen anons each.

Point I'm making is that if you're making a solo project then keep it simple because it's a big task. Make it a

I read the manga and watched the anime - I really really liked the anime though, I thought it did some things just as well as the manga and I actually really liked the rotoscoping lol.
second half of the manga was really bad though
it's just shit that they cut it off before things hit the fan but there were some really touching scenes.

I don't care, I just want something that's not nukige. Though it's universally true that older onee-san type>any highschool archetype

Dark murder mystery

>The best VNs are the ones that tell a story.

Name some more

also
harem or one that focuses on one or maybe two girls as a choice? or just a single romance?

>aren't you guys sick of HIghschool themes by now though? what about something in a work environment or college? School is obviously easier but isn't it tired out by now?
You can get away with school themes as long as there's something original about it. Those other two are fine too - the only arguable downside is the heroines being older if there are any.

Good sense of proportion, but:
>tumblr-nose
>completely flat chest even when there's bag-straps pulling the shirt tight across the chest
I mean unless that the joke and it's supposed to be a trap or something...

If you disliked the second half of the manga, I´m pretty sure you are not very good at writing then.

The second part is the most important in the entire story, both in emotional impact and character growth. Is the part where the MC shed his pretentious husk. Realizing that he has been acting like retard the entire time. And finally meets a girl that is right for him.

It nailed the basics of coming-of-age story progression perfectly.

You can't really do a harem without either completely shifting the tone of the story, or going full 'School Days'.

What if I am Girugamesh and I have to loot and plunder and run Mesopotamia?

>if I am Girugamesh
If you are Girugamesh then you already stopped giving a fuck about the tone of the story, so it's fine.

Just because my opionion differs on something doesn't mean I'm wrong user-kun. I also didn't claim to be a good writer it's just something I want to try my hand at because my english are good and I like stories. What about Onani Master Kurosawa and Kokou no Hitou? Umibe no Onnanoko?

I agree, I'm really sick of harems but what do other anons enjoy?

Well I was considering doing a trap so I guess that works kek
it's a work in progress but now I'm really self conscious about the noses

VLR
Danganronpa (only the first one)
Umineko no Naku Koro ni
Fata morgana no Yakata

Dies irae
Yume Miru Kusuri
These last two does merry-go-around but they got some good stuff worth trudging through.

ghost trick

Tons of those exist already

VLR does not tell a story
it gives very little details on the actual plot
that's the entire point
it's a mystery
same with danganronpa/2
danganronpa especially since they had to specifically create multiple novels/spin-offs and an anime to tell the actual story part of the universe
stop talking out of your ass
kys
I bet you like katawa shoujo

Play Kara no Shōjo and Kara no Shōjo: The Second Episode.

They're very enjoyable and uplifting games full of delicious waifu material so choose a cute one!

Second danganronpa is superior, don't listen to this guy

This nigger.

Don't let your dreams be maymays.


DO IT!

The problem with those is it's basicallly impossible to get the true ends without a guide

GIT GUD

Did I say you were wrong? I just implied that if you can´t recognize the good part of the writing then maybe you won´t be able to write something good.

Good thing that you mentioned OMK. Same thing, the genius of OMK is how the MC turns from a relatable jerk into a likable person. All his high and lows are something you can feel. At the end of the story the guy is someone you can be proud of. Again, coming-of-age story done right and one of my favourites.

Kokou no Hitou is great, but handles different themes from OMK and AnH.

Haven´t read that, but is from Asano right? I read his other work, Punpun. And if it´s anything like that, is probably garbage. The main problem with Punpun is character regression. The MC have learned nothing by end of his journey. Absolute waste of time since it misses the most important point.

I've never seen a VN with painted sprites before.

>now I'm really self conscious about the noses
Tumblr-nose is where there's shading (and it's always red) where the nose is, as opposed to shading where the nose would cast shade given the position of the light source. Drawing a nose in profile is always a pain though. The most common I see is for one side of the nose to be given a simple line then for the shading to go outside of where the nose would be, giving it depth. Not telling you to go full anime, but just something to keep in mind.

In her (his?) hair is casting shade to the right, so you'd expect nose to cast a tiny bit of shade to the right too.

Actually, you might want to start thinking of where the light-sources are, because the shading feels extremely inconsistent overall.

Sorry for taking so long, here's a little imagedump of the first ~15 minutes of it, the game is getting pretty long now. At this point all I really need to do is clean up all the unfinished art, and redraw old, ugly things.
I have someone else doing the background art for me.
imgur.com/a/et7g8

>Spend hours skipping text and changing places you go in hopes of a change in the story
What do you think I'm made of time

>VLR = Not telling a story
>A mystery has no story
>A story about hope = Not a story
You might as well not have posted. And Katawa Shoujo has a good message, I just did not like the protagonist and that a lot of the girls were walking archetypes. Is fine.

Vanilla loli shota romance. I want to experience having a childhood crush that actually return my feeling and do couple stuff that we barely know with her together, while growing up together and have our relationship lasted until marriage amd beyond.

Fate tells a perfectly coherent and well-developed story about the nature of altruism and idealism. It's also more ambitious than Saya no Uta and the crap you listed here (Umineko? VLR? YMK? Seriously?). You are an idiot

thanks for tips user,
I probably should've finished it before posting but just wanted a basic guideline to see if it's appealing enough of a style

mfw it's actually really go back to tumblr.

>Fate > Umineko

Saber is over rated garbage.

Rider is the one true King so bend the knee faggots.

Are there any VNs with a shred of self awareness? Like not as in, "We break the fourth wall, we're quirky, whooooOOooa." More like, "The otaku complex is a farce and we aren't pulling punches."

Because it seems the entire genre is dedicated to waifu bullshit and pornography.

Try Zettai Hero Project.

I really really like this idea - especially since there are so many phases when growing up too

I think your style is cute user, it's different to the norm

Supply and demand buddy

Of the three I took issue with, you're defending Umineko? Even its fans think the last chapters are garbage. Come on now.

If it's more polished (with cleaner lines and better shading) then it could work.

Even as it is it's more than serviceable enough for character concept art now get on with writing the story!

>Posted image seems okay
>Click Imgur album
Holy fuck. Is like any other tumblr garbage you can find anywhere.
Look I find your character design on humans to be alright. But when you draw fucking whatever that blue shit is, and other furry trash, is a big no. I bet you can get some fans on tumblr, is basically all of their fetishes. Wouldnotread/10

Has anyone told you Mr. DJ looks like Megamind with long hair?

Cross Channel. It's the Eva of VNs.

The English translation is quite bad though.

Yeah, that's about how it went at /agdg/ too.

wew I don't even know why I asked

The only way a dev could lure people into playing it in the first place is if it met the waifu requirements, at which point the jig would be up. You can't have the cake and eat it too.

Is like anything you can find on a furry tumblr blog.

I enjoy dark, sad, depressing VNs.

Swan Song was pretty fucking depressing.

Kara no Shōjo and Kara no Shōjo: The Second Episode were brutal and also depressing.

Saya no Uta was alright for being short; almost every ending were surprisingly sad.

Can anyone else suggest any other downer, sad, depressing, brutal ones?

It actually reminds me a lot of the recent pokemon game art, I really don't think it's that bad and depending on what the target market is I think it could work pretty alright

Tsukihime

>Are there any VNs with a shred of self awareness?
Sure. For exampl-
>Like not as in, "We break the fourth wall, we're quirky, whooooOOooa." More like, "The otaku complex is a farce and we aren't pulling punches."
As in one that punishes the player for acting like an otaku then? Your idea of 'self-awareness' is lost on me. Not all VNs are even about otakus.

I don't really see it, I was thinking of making his skin red, but I felt that would be overbearing.

Ananzi also has striking resemblance to Renamon.

>it's different to the norm

Literally looks like anything on tumblr.

>tumblr artstyle
>furries
>dyed hair
>probably lot of "queer" characters

back to tumblr.

king of the gays maybe.
if you're talking about protagonists that aren't self inserts you have boatloads.
As for ones that critically challenge otaku culture (personally I think it's just contrarian work to have it be a VN in the first place, see: evangelion), chaos;head is (somehow) the go to game. Saya route in saya no uta works too.

depressing shit is also my game, muh nigga
that's kinda why I wanted to go for something psychological like maybe the MC has some social anxiety disorder or some shit
will check those VNs out, thanks user

thanks user! will start scratching up some ideas

how about you just play some bad ends in normal VNs you edgelord

Now that's a stench.
>probably lot of "queer" characters
There's no romance.

>downer/sad/depressing
Rin's 'neutral' ending from Katawa Shoujo is pretty soul-crushing. Watching her inexorably slip away from you all because of a misunderstanding you made can be extremely depressing if you hit that ending blind.

>brutal
Summer Radish Vacation does technically have a good ending, but if you're playing it blind you'll instead have to experience a hell of perpetual netorare as every girl you start to get close to is stolen from you by Tomaru.

Starless/Discipline bad endings are actually too brutal to take seriously.

Sorry user, I really can't think of any great examples.

can you just not comment on visual novels if katawa shoujo is the only VN you ever read
in fact can you leave

>can you just not comment on visual novels if katawa shoujo is the only VN you ever read
>ignores that 3 other visual novels were listed
can you just read a full comment before responding to it

Noice, m8.

Swan Song is a major downer and starts slooooow but it's worth playing.

One of the two MC of Kara no Shōjo: The Second Episode has some major mental issues; you could in theory skip the first one since it gives you a brief recap.

Check em out, senpai.

Never finished Katawa Shoujo I might play that next.

Starless/Discipline/Bible Black were meh.

Maybe brutal was the wrong word choice; I just like VNs that have are dark, bleak, sad and can be considered depressing in general and don't really have any happy endings.

Fire your artists and probably your writers

that's not 3 good recommendations.
that's 3 "oh hey look I dont know what im getting into but that seemed relevant so i'll post it".
Fucking NTR counts as "depressing"? Starless is supposed to be grimdark when the consequences more or less get springed on you for what's essentially shock value?

The sharin no kuni fandisc is brutal. Muv luv alternative is brutal. Hell you could even argue planetarian is brutal. The discussion about "real deal" vs "disney shit" has been around since essentially the dawn of time for the VN "community". Don't pretend you're somehow an expert for having a passing interest in VNs.

Have you played Fata Morgana?

MLA (yes you have to slog through extra)
planetarian
chaos;head

What do you guys think of YU-NO?

What are the best translated VNs?
I have gone through Rewrite, G-Senjou No Maou, HoshiMemo, If my heart had wings, Princess Evangile and a few others that I can't recall.

I know it's the pleby shit but I wanted something fun to start with. I think my preference for specific art styles has lead me to look past some of the better VNs.

Yeah, it was great.

The music was amazing and most of the stories were good; the first and third were my favorites. The second seemed to drag on forever. The rest of the game was solid too.

I didn't mind the main character not having any sexual organs; it felt sad and tragic, no heavy handed SJW bullshit.

8/10

cant get past the pc98 artstye

It looks good user, don't listen to them.

> I think my preference for specific art styles has lead me to look past some of the better VNs.
>I have gone through Rewrite
yeah ur fucked kid

>ctrl+f Fate and Tsukihime
>only 4 results, 2 of them shits on it without telling the reason
Why?

the only thing that will always be in vogue in the VN "community" is that if it's popular, it's shit.

Tsukihime

I've always wanted more gay shit in VNs so I downloaded Ren'py and fucked around on it for a month and made a simple romance between an elf and troll. Ren'py seems easy to use but are there better things to use or nah?

I suggest a noose.

Kill yourself.