What are Sup Forums's thoughts on fanservice heavy games?

What are Sup Forums's thoughts on fanservice heavy games?

They're great. Videogames and porn are a great combination.

I don't like them because they usually rely solely on sex appeal.

If you make an amazing game, and then have a character or two dedicated to being fanservicey I can understand since you're trying to rope more people in and have a different variety of characters that everyone will at least have one they like.

But games that build themselves around sex appeal fanservice and put gameplay as second I avoid like the plague, it's just shallow and you can see where the developers priorities were focused on rather than making a good, core game first and bringing the appeal in second.

Games that are specifically designed to bring in fanservice I can forgive (Dating simulators) since that's the nature of the game.

Indifferent, but if it puts Neogaf's panties in a twist, welcomed.

This more or less

best thing that ever happened to video games.

I have no problem with fanservice being put in games. The game needs to be good and have substance to it and not just be about anime tiddies though.

Can't stand them. I have no problem with other people enjoying them though. I just wish they didn't make up 99% of JRPGs these days.

there needs to be more of them

They're great if they have actual gameplay attached to it

SK Burst and SK2 are the only niche games I actually enjoyed because of that
Never played the other SK games

I would like them if they were actually good games

More of what?

i used to not like them but once i let my dick influence my thoughts i don't give a fuck anymore and actually enjoy them, i'll buy a game with cute girls no matter how shallow or bad the gameplay is

Almost universally shit, because it indicates a focus on pandering over good gameplay. I say "almost universally" because I've not played everything and because theoretically one could be good, not because I've seen one which actually is.

Usually they exist solely to advertise their shit. Things like Smash and Sony Smash just build up tension in the buyer until the company release the real game. It's Grade A manipulation and it's disgusting.

I wish it went farther like anime
I can't stand shit like Senran or VD

I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't become too much of the core of the game itself rather than the actual quality of the game.

Why do people focus so much on the game aspect? What makes you think the fanservice can't be the main element?
Mediocre gameplay combined with great fanservice can still make for great entertainment, it's just not the exact same type of entertainment a solid game without fanservice would give you.

I want a PAizuri focused game.

If by fan service you mean sexual fan service, and not fan service in the "oh man it's Ryu AND Cyclops, and look they're talking to eachother!" then it's usually bad. It's a crutch. Tends to lead to dreadful fanbases. Like the people who try to actually try to argue that Kagura is a good action game or that Dead or Alive is a good fighting game. More likely they just completely shut out criticism. Sort of like fans of moe shows and whatnot. Honestly these games are just embarrassing. Sup Forums would be of a higher caliber if it stopped thinking about porn 24/7.

>What makes you think the fanservice can't be the main element?
Because when I am buying a game, I'm actually expecting a game.
The fanservice should just be a bonus or, if the game is focused on fanservice, the fanservice should be the 2nd important thing.

Its not a hard thing to grasp, user.

It depends if the game itself is actually worth playing. If I wanted to play a game I'd play a game. If I wanted to watch porn I'd go watch porn. I'd rather not bother with a hybrid that half asses both parts. It's the same with anime.

It is. You obviously don't buy DoA for the same reason as Tekken. Expecting the same thing is retarded. A bad game can still be good porn. Just like a good game can be bad porn, or not porn at all.

Shove a needle down your urethra.

edgy

>ITT female whales and numales subtly waging a campaign against anything that makes them feel insecure

You folks are so transparent. I can almost smell your stench through TCP/IP.

>Mediocre gameplay combined with great fanservice can still make for great entertainment
Sure, but I don't pay for my porn games.
I mean, I could recommend some if you'd like.

But that's kind of the problem. Sexualized "fanservice" is a form of teasing: it's implying something which you might want. And it usually requires some sort of game playing in order to acquire said fanservice, so the gameplay gets inevitably tied up into producing the fanservice. This is where the gameplay element becomes important: since you are going to be using the gameplay to produce the desired fanservice, you generally want the gameplay to be good or at least entertaining. If it isn't, then it's just an annoying chore to churn through.

Also, perhaps you are missing context. People looking for a good fanservice game are looking for fanservice in a good game. It's the same reason they ask for a good story - they want characters who are interesting, not just images.

I'm sure there are people who are fine with just lewd static anime images and find that acceptable for fanservice (see: Dungeon Traveler 2) but with the game giving no more context than that, it gets frankly dull. It's a grind just to see new content and the given content isn't any more interested that browsing a booru.

Playing a bad game just for porn is fucking retarded. You can get porn anywhere without having to trudge through a shit video game. I go to Exhentai when I want to jerk to anime characters.

>I can almost smell your stench through transmission control protocol / Internet protocol

The problem with fanservice games with bad gameplay is that the fanservice almost never distracts you from the gameplay and nobody wants to suffer bad gameplay just to get the same amount of titillation they can get for free

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So what you are saying is that its ok for a game to have shit gameplay as long the game itself is focused on good fanservice?

Why should I suffer through horrendous gameplay to get to the good parts when I can just search the internet for the good parts while avoiding horrendous gameplay and avoiding a trash game while I can save more money?

wow you worded out some really technical terms there im proud of u user

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I want to impregnate a Japanese Valkyrie

I also wish there were VD doujins that weren't just softcore yuri. Even the anime went further with that with the mind control thing that made the girl imagine herself about to get gang banged by ripped faceless guys

If it's a fighting game then it needs to be equal like in Tekken. Both the guys and the girls are all sexy models in that series now.

>tfw this artist still hasn't drawn porn

>people actually think the games would be better without fanservice
Niggas the fanservice is what these games are build upon. There are no good games beneath the fanservice. In fact they wouldn't even insist.

Its fucking porn thats what it is. Teasing porn but still porn. Learn to deal with that it actually is and wants to be: adult entertainment.

I'm a virgin and I play video games to escape the fact. Not to be reminded of it constanly.

Why does it need to be equal when 99% of its playerbase are males?

Does Twilight need equal sexualization aswell despite being obviously geared towards girls?

>insist
exist. fuck
Anyway, grow the fuck up faggots and realize you're discussing the videogame equivalent of porn magazines. There's nothing "distracting from the game" it fucking IS the game

But Tekken DOES appeal to women and gays so your argument doesn't matter. I'm just saying Tekken has got it right by appealing to all types rather than just waifufags who hate men.

tekken lacks twinks and silver foxes

>if these games didn't have fanservice, then they wouldn't exist
And what is the problem here?

It's amazing.

You said

>if it's fighting game then it NEEDS to be equal

Why? Tekken does it sure but they didn't NEED to do it. When 99% of your players are male, why not have 99% of the content made for men? Likewise, does those erotic novels for women need to have bouncy tits on top of studs? No, not really. There's nothing wrong with disproportionate depiction based on demographic. The fact that there needs to be equal everything in everything is ridiculous and shortsighted.

>twinks
Well they have Leo so maybe someday.

>silver foxes
Shit taste desu senpai enjoy your Heihachi

They NEED to be equal. Fight me nigga.

I just explained to you why they shouldn't. You don't have an argument. You're just making a poor argument because the word equal sounds very nice to you even if it makes little sense in context.

>fanservice heavy games?
smash bros is a pretty okay franchise i guess.

Tekken is not exactly equal yet I used that as my example of a fighting game where it was equal. Pedantic Sup Forums losers goddamn...

>Sup Forums losers ugh
You lost the argument so petty insults is all you can muster now. There is absolutely no need for fanservice for everyone when Tekken's demographic is by far majority men. Don't be self-centered.

Ok now you're not being as pedantic so I'll engage with you.
>muh utilitarianism
ok why can't you make an attempt to appeal to different demographics?

Because each game has a unique identity of its own and one that should be cherished. Once you start to play the "please all on Planet Earth" game, you'll soon strip your game of any identity and be left with a soulless husk. Just look at western AAA games doing this. No sense of identity or character. Everything focus-tested for maximum market penetration.

So no, there doesn't NEED to be equal representation of everything always. It completely depends on the game/movie/song and what demographic is interested in it. You can say how they should pander to women and gays more but truth is that those demographics are either irrelevant in size or they just play Candy Crush and Sims for games like Tekken.

Any game should represent the desires of its fans and creators. It shouldn't attempt to pander to imaginary demographics that only exist on paper but are nowhere to be seen once you actually put your game up for sale.

Have you ever played a fighting game? You'll notice the far majority of players are male. No matter the game. It's a genre that is inherently more appealing to men due to its nature. And devs shouldn't shy away from that. It's a complete waste not having 99% of your game geared towards 99% of its players. Anything else lacks logic.

The game part is usually shit
The people playing them are usually insufferable

Well you typed a whole lot more but you didn't really say anything more than you've already said.

Most of the fighting game makers, when making fighting game characters are thinking "who will like this character? what will make someone want to play as them?" Or when coming up with a new character they're thinking "What have we not covered yet? Should we have a boxer? What about a british character? If we make him good looking will the female players like him as well?"

You're arguing that I'm arguing for polluting the artistic vision with committee bullshit when that is the EXACT approach that fighting game developers themselves take.

Another point. Just because the fanbase is a sausage fest does NOT mean that the developers want it to stay this way and you have no control over this being the case. This argument is at odds with your other point and I hope you see that.

>I don't pay for my porn games
Talent goes where the money is.

DoA is a significantly better game than Tekken.

fanservice doesn't exist only in sexualization, user
every fucking thing someone jams in his book/movie/game/comic because "the fans like it" is fanservice
like fucking Hitsugaya for example

The people who loathe fanservice in general are baffling to me.

I understand being a little uncomfortable with it, but to think it's the worst thing in the world? Why? What does that accomplish?

The "people only buy them for fanservice, the game is otherwise shit!!!" argument holds no value because those games are always niche and you wouldn't have been interested in the first place.

Except the argument holds up perfectly well because the people that actually say that don't actually hate fanservice. They hate the fact that these kind of games are solely depending on the fanservice parts without optimizing the gameplay and that people are actually defending that trash.

Yes, that's the point.

I hate fan service, I fucking hate it because I know its just trying to rope in people who are stupid and only run on their dicks and just exploiting people who are just too fucking dumb to know it. Its pure manipulation in my opinion. Too many fucking games or movies try to add sex appeal because it just means that their story isn't good enough to hold on its own. Pathetic trash.

Theres one thing I gotta know though how do people enjoy these games? Do they just sit and play with a boner and not touch their dick at all? Wheres the pleasure involved in that? Or do they just play with one hand while they edge the entire time they play?

Some of these situations these characters end up in are so stupid and unrealistic it just makes me cringe. Wah! I slipped and fell into your huge breasts! Oh no!!!!! Please fucking spare me. And the fucking conversations they have sometimes are just fucking dumb I would never go to a party and just strike up a conversation about a chicks boob size vs her friends like what the fuck you think any of this is healthy for you?

>And the fucking conversations they have sometimes are just fucking dumb

VD>>>>>>>>>>>>>senran tumblrshit

If it's about my fetishes? Cocks-out Awesome

If not? Fucking degenerates can't enjoy a game for it's gameplay.

For the last fucking time specially for you idiot:
It's not "fanservice" if it's the point of the point of the product.

This is an incredibly stupid assumption that's getting very old and is plain false.
Kill yourselves.

Yet you buy a ton of game just for the graphic.
Don't fool yourself. You only start to think about the gameplay when you're faced with sex, as if you're still in your kiddy mindset that you have to justify everything you do to your mom. Oh wait, that's exactly what you're doing.

As bad SK is, the gameplay is still better than your regular Bamham cinematic gameplay.

>Yet you buy a ton of game just for the graphic.
I do?

Only slightly related but: I like the Senran Kagura games, but I don't buy them to masturbate to. I don't even understand the idea of masturbating to a videogame, like, most games need two hands.

I think I just find the simple gameplay enjoyable, I like seeing cute characters and I like seeing boobs. I don't have to jerk it to them. The lewdness and the ridiculous scenarios used to obtain it are amusing. I think I like the idea of these games existing. It's like a videogame equivalent of the Carry On films.

I don't understand the people who are like "why not just make porn games". It's like they lack a sense of fun.

they're the only games that can be good while having zero gameplay

Apparently you do user he said so and he must know you well enough to tell you so. That would be the most logical conclusion here right? After all we are a sensible lot are we not? Yes Im sure of it!

They're okay as long as fanservice isn't the only selling point. So VD is great because the story is actually decent, characters are well written and gameplay is great. But new SK games (not sure about PBS) - not so much.

>Never played the other SK games
don't bother with Versus, the fanservice is great but everything else was shat on. VD is fun.

nothing wrong with fanservice. It's just in men's nature to like sexy hot women.

As long as the gameplay itself is good, I tend not to care if it's a fanservice heavy game. And it does get certain people triggered and that is always funny.

What's wrong with proclaiming your love for boobs?

It's shitty having to play as a girl if you want to play a certain role, in class based online competitive games.

>Yet you buy a ton of game just for the graphic.
No, I don't. I buy it for both. If the gameplay is fucking garbage just to get to the graphics, I can just go on the internet to see the graphic without enduring the shit gameplay...

>as if you're still in your kiddy mindset that you have to justify everything you do to your mom. Oh wait, that's exactly what you're doing.
...but since you're so quick to judge other people its obviously you don't want an actual conversation and you just want to lump people into groups without being challenged yourself and trying to hold your own beliefs as much as people.

>yumi_where_she_belongs.png
Rude

I don't particularly mind, really.
A decent game with good fanservice is still a decent game, and anyone that says "gameplay" is forgetting all the other things, like aesthetics, design, music, etc that go into making a game good.
An outstanding single part of a game can justify time being spent on it, even if it's not GOTY material.

>Theres one thing I gotta know though how do people enjoy these games?
How do people enjoy anything? What if someone likes too tease himself first and then wank to something else? Or that maybe, just maybe, someone genuinely finds the game fun. And that's just some of many reasons someone might enjoy something.
Like said, why do some people here engage so much into hating them so much other than this being Sup Forums of course. It's not like you were going to buy any of them in the first place, or that people playing them affect you in some form.

I'm pro anime tits

Nothing wrong. Now things wrong with SK threads on the other hand:
>they're not vidya, they're glorified image dumps
>there is no discussion about the games
>there IS discussion about weird fetishes, again, not vidya
>the rp that happens there belongs in Sup Forums cringe threads, not on Sup Forums

pic related, yumi is trash, she belongs with other trash

But there are many games that are exactly that

What game.

Im so lost, you just play it because you find it fun? Even if the game mechanics are poor and the challenge is minimal you find it fun? You dont jack off to it? Its just fun to look at?

>Get interested in a game with fanservice
>Not a single person talk about the game
Even terrible communities like MOBA and Dark souls fags are better than SK fags because at least they talk about the game

>Even if the game mechanics are poor and the challenge is minimal you find it fun?
Sure, why not? Sometimes you want to play a game that is simple and doesn't require much thinking, what is wrong with that?
It's not like me or anyone else plays these kind of games exclusively, and eve if someone does, who the hell cares?

I play the Jap versions cause I live here. Nobody to talk to though.

糞食らえ

There's really nothing to talk about, first game got decent story and characters, after that it all went to shit because the devs realized they could sell the games on fanservice alone. So no more story, no more character development, no more cute characters, just lewds and fanservice.
The state of SK threads pretty much shows what you should expect.

>Jap
well that explains the shit taste

Im just trying to figure out the part that makes it fun. Id play katamari if I wanted a game to relaxing.

MOMMY

MILKY

MILKY!

I WANT MILKY MOMMY!

Don't waste time trying to force yourself to find something fun. It's supposed to be a natural reaction.

Just try lots of different vidya and find what works for you.

Might be better that way, even here whenever someone talk about the gameplay of SK it's some Sengoku Basara fag

There are varying levels.

SK is a good example of what I think is the worst possible way to do a fanservice game. You've got a generic, boring story with the occasional bra shot, combined with a travesty of gameplay only a mental retard could love. My problem here is that you've got to invest so much time in the gameplay, for such a minimal pay-off in terms of story and the odd bare titty.

In the mid ground, you've got something like DoAX, which is pretty minimalist gameplay wise, and it's just a glorified dress up and animation viewer. Not really my kind of game, but I can understand why people might like it.

And then on the high end, you've got titles like Idolmaster that combine short and sweet gameplay with an engaging story and characters, and dating sims like Photo Kano that barely have any gameplay aside from taking risque photos of the girl you like, interspersed with a bit of romance.

I know some anons in SK threads at least attempt to talk about the games or related things, like with the recent PBS trailer, but they still get flooded with spam and RPing.

You don't need any reason to find something fun, you either do or not.

if (game.contains(ANIME_TIDDIES)) buyGame();
else itsShit();

The more recent threads have had some discussion with the trailer for PBS and I'm not going to really complain about imagedumps on an imageboard. I'd rather have those threads than E-celeb threads.

Im just trying to understand but I guess its beyond my limit.