>Released 2 years before the SNES
>Ran games better than the SNES
>Had crisper audio than the SNES
Explain this shit, Nintendo.
Released 2 years before the SNES
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John Jackson
>>Had crisper audio than the SNES
top kek
Gavin Lopez
Oh but
>it has an infinitely worse library
Which is all that fucking matters for a console
Wyatt Ortiz
Half true. The library was less diverse, but it did certain genres way better than the SNES. Things like arcade ports and sports games were god tier on the Genesis.
Grayson Edwards
I was more of a Nintendo kid, but as I have gotten older I appreciate the Genesis and Sega more and more. Also, I love the soundchip they used, it has a very distinct sound quality. Lots of high-end. At the weird middle ground between very limited early digital soundcards, and more modern powerful soundcards. So it had some range, but still had a very distinctly synthetic sound quality.
Thomas Ward
>sports games ever
Gabriel Martin
The sound was garbage tho
Evan Kelly
>ignoring all those 1:1 arcade ports because MUH SPORTS
A little bit of that autism is showing, user.
Colton Hernandez
Why sports game that were on both SNES and Genesis did Genesis do better? What about arcade ports outside of Mortal Kombat 1?
Jeremiah Taylor
>it has an infinitely worse library
Maybe if you wanted JRPG's but the Genesis has a much better action orientated library.
Levi Ward
Are you telling me this sounds like shit?
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Sebastian Bell
>Had crisper audio than the SNES
lol. It sounded like a SFX machine for 1970's scifi television.
Noah Miller
Yes Namefag.
Alexander Long
>Sound was bad
Literally a meme.
Justin Davis
And I am saying that I really like the sound quality of those older Yamaha chips.
Mason Wilson
>sports games ever
You're missing out on a whole bunch of great video games.
Jordan Baker
If you can seriously listen to the Streets of rage OST and say it sounds like shit, you're delusional.
Cooper Ward
No man, he's a hardcore gamer and sports are for normies.
Tyler Wood
>Rearrangement
Not official. That's poor form, user.
Camden Lee
>Had crisper audio than the SNES
Ryder Smith
This guys gets it, Genesis has some pretty good music when used well.
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The road rash soundtrack was pretty tight as well, so weird. Never heard a Genesis soundtrack in that style again
Dylan James
No kidding. Sports games used to be so fucking good back then. They were all so different. You could have three football games and have 3 completely different perspectives and gameplay styles. That's not the case now. It's all muh realism.
Evan Williams
Yeah, unlike the muffled SNES audio.
Carter Robinson
Mutant League Football and Hockey were fucking awesome.
Easton Brooks
>Rearrangement
Still using the YM2612 and Genesis samples. You won't get those phat basses and crispy snares on the S-SMP.
Colton Reed
It's even more a problem of EA having the sole license to both Football and Soccer. Which hurts competition and variety.
I still like playing sports sims every few years though.
Blake Ortiz
>Still using the YM2612 and Genesis samples.
>samples
That's the problem. If you're trying to convince someone the Genesis had a good sound chip you should be posting official music. What you posted is like using an NES "soundfont" for FruityLoops.
David Fisher
Genesis:
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Isaac Martin
Awww yeah, Genesis music thread?
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Cooper Myers
the fact that they started losing major market share to 2K so instead of making better games they just bought exclusivity agreements to most of the major sports franchises should have told you everything you needed to know about EA all the way back then. The only reason there are non-EA baseball games is because Sony threw a ton of money at the MLB for some reason.
Zachary Wood
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Hell yeah, motherfucker!
Nathan Murphy
Don't forget that they have a soundtrack composed for them instead of licensing top 40 shit
Brandon Campbell
Agreed. NFL 2K5 is still my favorite football game. After all that posting of those hilarious graphical glitches in The Show I kind of want to buy that now.
Jackson Thompson
>Genesis had bad music
Explain this
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Dylan Lewis
Alexander Collins
>remastered
Blake Carter
This is the goddamn worse. It would cost less money to hire a composer than to pay the license for those awful songs.
Hell, you don't really need to make amazing, catchy songs either. Just some neutral sounding menu music and maybe fanfares.
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Luke Cooper
The SNES had a more advanced sound chip and picture processing unit. It was a good investment too, with talented composers the soundchip could sound close to CD quality and with more colors available the lower resolution hardly matters.
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Tyler Watson
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Thomas Clark
Sounds straight out of the cart to me.
Colton Gutierrez
They also don't futureproof the games either. They know that once the next annual release comes out, they can just stop supporting the older versions so when those licenses run out. They typically discontenue the game way before that happens. Not like you'd ever see a remaster or rerelease of a most major sports titles but shit does happen like the soundtrack debacle with GTA San Andreas on steam. It's asinine.
Jordan Flores
Caleb Myers
I just don't see the point in buying those games after 2004 or so. I mean, a lot of developers get a bad rep for rehashing games, but what fucking major difference is there between FIFA16 and FIFA17 that justifies a $60 purchase?
Robert Scott
This whole thread could be dedicated to the magic that is Thunderforce 2-4 youtube.com
Leo Watson
I get the feeling that the Genesis sound chip (the Yamaha YM2612) was underrated for so long that people are now starting to overrate it and downplay the SNES' Sony S-SMP.
I reckon they're both good in different ways. And the SNES sound isn't as muffled as some of its detractors claim (and yes, I'm aware that emulators reproduce the sound in higher quality than the actual console).
That being said, I do genuinely believe it was a little embarrassing for the SNES to have much slower hardware than the Genesis despite being 2 years newer. There's little excuse for having such a backwards CPU (not even just talking about clockspeed here, but even shit like registers) and slow RAM on a very narrow bus.
Just about all the SNES graphics hardware had going for it was a higher color count (albeit at a lower screen resolution), hardware support for transparency, and hardware support for background scaling/rotation.
But like, aside from the color related shit, you can generate most of these effects on the Genesis' Motorola 68000 CPU because it's pretty fast at matrix operations (scaling/rotation, etc). Plus, because it's software, it has the freedom to apply it to sprites, while the SNES only has acceleration for backgrounds, while its CPU is too feeble to scale/rotate sprites without support chips.
Also a lot of SNES fans have a habit of bringing up the SuperFX without realizing that the Genesis had a counterpart called the SVP chip, which was actually faster than SuperFX1 or 2.
Colton Parker
>A flower
Never ceases to make me chuckle. Prog was off the goddamn rails in the early 70s.
Samuel Powell
if you have to buy FIFA, I can't see how anyone would argue for buying any version other than the ones released during World Cup years. They have the most teams and most pitches and typically have more money thrown at them because they're promoting the world cup.
Matthew Hernandez
I do believe that technically and artistically Sega was a talented group of people. Games like Phantasy Star, Alex Kidd, Virtua Fighter, Panzer Dragoon. These were all interesting in many ways, both technically and stylistically. I think I appreciate them more as an adult.
It seems that the business side what not their strong suit though.
Cameron Flores
>It seems that the business side what not their strong suit though.
While it eventually led to their downfall, you can't deny that the strategy implemented with the Genesis launch wasn't genius. The Genesis Does What Ninendont campaign was fucking brutal during the last days of the NES and start of the SNES.
Brody Wright
TO BE THIS GOOD TAKES AGES
TO BE THIS GOOD TAKES SEGA
Nathan Kelly
Easy win for Genesis here
Josiah Martinez
So well that it still creates butthurt to this day.
Dylan Collins
And that seems to have been largely on the SoA side. I should clarify that I meant Sega of Japan seemed to be lacking in business sense.
Matthew Young
>It seems that the business side what not their strong suit though.
Really have to wonder what could have been had their not been so much infighting between SoJ and SoA.
Nicholas Williams
Even with decades of reflection, I still cannot begin to understand the logic behind the Saturn's clusterfuck of a launch
Sebastian Martinez
The Lion King (Genesis version) had its music ported by Matt Furniss who was an excellent FM music programmer.
The SNES side had its talent as well, the music was ported by Frank Klepacki who later wrote the music for C&C.
But I have to say despite the fact that I'm very fond of Hakuna Matata on SNES, that version has some very inconsistent tracks, while the Genesis version is very solid throughout.
This is IMO particularly poor on SNES. Doesn't get you pumped up at all.
Nicholas Diaz
Did the general public even ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NEED 3D graphics? Considering that the Game Boy Color was allowed to get away with being a portable NES and Metal Slug was a big hit back in the day
Tyler Long
It is interesting that Moore clearly took that to heart with the Dreamcast launch, which probably was the first release I can remember being hyped up THAT much.
They did a good job with it too, great release.
Austin Perez
Keep on with the good stuff. youtube.com
Zachary Fisher
The Saturn was a catastrophe, but goddamn I wish that system had been able to compete with the N64 and PS. There were a lot of really unique and cool games for it.
Also, dat fucking d-pad. My dick!
Benjamin Miller
Dreamcast was a great machine. I don't think anyone could possibly argue against it. Things like the VMU were a little bit on the questionable side by everything else it did it did really well.
Besides antipiracy.
Juan Myers
>Did the general public even ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NEED 3D graphics?
Probably not, but it would have been a bloody hard sell, since having 3D graphics back then was a much bigger thing than say being an open-world game now.
If Sega had stuck to their guns and just made it a purely 2D console they might just have been able to convince the public it was a good option. But you have to remember in context, a lot of people had just been playing 2D games up to that point so it felt a bit old hat to some people.
If they pulled it off, Saturn would have been able to distinguish itself in the market. If they hadn't, well, history would regard the console as being hilariously short-sighted with a bigger blunder than N64 sticking with cartridges.
Charles Butler
>Tim Follin
Nigga, that's cheating.
Parker Collins
No not really, it was too early. Most Saturn games play fine today while most ps1/n64 games play and look like shit
Jordan Young
The SNES version sounds a bit tame, but it's closer to the original soundtrack. Honestly, I think these type of games that go for a more ''organic'' sound just didn't fare well with the Genesis, while electronic, bass-heavy rock tunes were its forte.
Ayden King
It's kind of funny that, in the end, I believe the Sega Saturn had more games on it than the 64.
Nathan King
I get the feeling the people who say this don't actually own a Saturn.
Nolan Jackson
Yeah and better games to, the n64 is overrated as fuck
Hudson Kelly
Unless I've missed a rerelease, i think the Saturn still has the most content for its release of SOTN.
Grayson Martin
Yeah that was also a point I was trying to make on the side, that for the Lion King in particular the SNES version aurally should have wiped the floor with the Genesis since it's based on natural instrumentation, which is the exact opposite of what the Genesis' sound chip is good at (electric, synthetic instrumentation)
Chase Rogers
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This game had a pretty awesome soundtrack.
Ethan Morris
Same goes for you
Charles Smith
I believe the Saturn release of RE and Suikoden had the most content as well.
Jackson Price
was that an official blurb?
Daniel Flores
Not cheating if i like his music on both platforms youtube.com
Ryder Gonzalez
Fun Fact: there are more North American Saturn games than all Wii u games that had a physical release in all regions
Mason Murphy
>I believe the Sega Saturn had more games on it than the 64
I think they're pretty close, actually. Some 500 for both. They were both completely fucking shat on by the PS's library though.
Benjamin Ortiz
You guys are making me want to pull out my Genesis and play some games.
Anthony Brooks
I want to say the PSP version carried that content over, so tied?
Downside for the Saturn version is that the port was done poorly; Both from a mechanical point as well as on the visual end as an extension there of.
Eli Davis
The Genesis versions of Rocket Knight were better than Sparkster on the SNES as well.
I also wish we had Turbographx discussion, because I also love NEC a lot. I even have their incredibly failed sequel to the PC-Engine. The PC-FX.
Isaiah Adams
>Two brand new areas
>Playable Maria
>Dedicated item use button
I'm fucking mad as hell that they didn't include that shit in the PSN/XBLA releases.
James Jackson
Too bad SOTN's Saturn port is absolute garbage
Austin White
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Justin Parker
According to Wikipedia:
N64 - 388
Saturn - 597
PS1 - 2430
Robert Peterson
You're right, I don't own one.
Nolan Sanders
>the n64 is overrated as fuck
It's overhyped mostly because of GoldenEye and OoT.
fuck the nostalgia tards
I didn't even think those games were as great as they're hyped to have been when I played them as brand new titles. They're good but god damn
Cooper Torres
>EA's special snowflake cartridges
it's a shame that this was during a period when EA actually released some bloody good games, cause otherwise you could have visually determined which games not to buy
Julian Brown
Nintendo ripping off the Nomad with the Switch.
Jack Nelson
The SNES game is the only one I haven't beaten. I could never get past that damn pyramid boss.
>I also wish we had Turbographx discussion, because I also love NEC a lot. I even have their incredibly failed sequel to the PC-Engine. The PC-FX.
To be fair, I doubt many people on Sup Forums even know what those are.
Samuel Cooper
Trip Hawkins era EA was legit.
Luke Thomas
I was a bit confused whether the region list was referring to total games sold in the region, or games specific to that region. Man, the N64 library was small.
Ethan Walker
I don't really consider the use of cartridges as a blunder. They pulled off some good shit on the N64 thanks to that.
Literally all CDs had going for it was CD-quality music. FMVs are a gimmick.
Liam Mitchell
I'm waiting for some body explain how good 32X is .. in that's era.
Liam Adams
The Nomad was a ripoff of the TurboExpress, the Sega CD was a ripoff of the PC Engine CD and the 32X was a ripoff of the Jaguar.
Jaxson Edwards
The reason Goldeneye and OoT are highly regard is because the former codified non-Doom-clone FPS, and the latter codified 3D action-adventure games.
Up until those two came out, their respective areas were either an awkwardly designed mess or suffered from poor sales.
Lucas Kelly
Fuck yeah, user. Got that nigga told!
What's your favourite Saturn game?
Jayden Peterson
True. I saw someone ask in a thread the other day "Does the Turbographx even have any good games, or was it just a meme?"
Barring the fact that the word "meme" makes my skin-crawl at this point by how meaningless it is, that question bummed me out a bit.
I feel like a lot of gamers want to rewrite the history of gaming to be solely Nintendo until like 2004.
Ayden Barnes
32X fags exist?
Aaron Nguyen
I don't understand why this matters. Each system probably still only had 10-20 actually good games.