Localization changes the main character

>localization changes the main character
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Papa Nier will always be superior.

Fuck your nip incest shit.

It wasn't a localization. They just didn't give us Replicant at all.

But Japan had both Gestalt and Replicant. You chose which one you wanted.

>Localization turned 'bishonen: gotta save muh sister' into DAD QUEST

Really though there needed to be more zingers

>localization changes the main character

What the fuck are you talking about? The X360 version was the same in all regions. If you want to start a shitposting thread, at least use the proper version. Shithead.

I don't know, Brother Nier has the better back story and works as the more naive character. Father Nier talking about friendship made him look retarded.

"This is gonna make it so much better" - Some fellow.
And it did.

>made him look retarded.
It works considering the game is about fucking everything up because of a lack of understanding.

While I prefer Father Nier, Brother Nier is a more compelling character.

No one in Automata comes even close to Brother Nier as a character. No one in Autoamta had to sell their asshole for money to support a dying sibling that he thinks of as a burden.

But I did like Father Nier alot, part of the reason the game even caught my eye was because it was an average looking grown ass man doing shit rather than a group of teenagers.

Bro Nier is only good for his armor on the second part

Wasn't the logic given was that the older more grizzled design would appeal more to western gamers?

Stop trying to make me gay.

>Game is largely a parody of other games
>Japanese version is brother helping his imouto
>American version is gruff father trying to save his daughter

Sounds about right to me

Taro retardedly pivoted to make both Niers cannon in Automata. But Papa Nier is still best Nier

no, western audience hate twinks

That doesn't really contradict what I said.

NO ONE STOPS

>Fuck your nip incest shit.

wise words my friend.. fuck those incest loving fucks. Incest is wrong and isn't healthy.

Well, I think I'm officially gay now.

but.. but I have the luxury of stopping.. you do to so stop trying to get the gay in me. Don't make me fuck you down like an animal!

"They're gonna love this, you'll see." - That same fellow.
And they did.

Can someone actually confirm who came first?

I always thought Father Nier was specifically made for western audiences and Brother Nier was the original. But now all of a sudden people are saying Father Nier was the original and Taro made Brother Nier to appeal to the Japanese demographic.

So, is there any more?

probably. I personally think the father/daughter dynamic resonates more than the brother/sister dynamic.

>ps3 with cfw
>jap game with english patch

easy

I though brother was canon because he is on most of the crossover official pictures

fpbp

>IQDB
>no relevant matches

nope, that's all ya get. unless decides he's going to truly pull all the stops and release a gay train on us that's still thread relevant which given this is Nier.

Is pretty likely and very possible.

Brother was designed first, but the games released at the same time. Gestalt on 360 and Replicant on PS3.

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Brother is the first and canon one

Straight from Taro himself

PS3 ver in the US is Gestalt as well

>>Brother is the first and canon one
Well both are technically canon since the weapon stories in Automata reference both brother and father Nier.

Taro is shit at story telling. Everyone knows this. Even Taro himself.

> That fucking pipe.

I didn't ask for these tears damn it.

Brother works better in the plot because of all the implied gay shit works better for young fuccboi Nier and not grizled old man nier and Papa really has no reason to choose saving Kaine over being there for Yonah because he's 100% devoted to Yonah and not all that infatuated with Kaine, but Brother Nier actually kind of resents having to be a constant caretaker to Yonah and has a big ol boner for Kaine.

I don't believe in Kaine falling for a fuckboy like bro Nier

>and not all that infatuated with Kaine
He doesn't have to be, it's called being selfless you shit. Nier died so that Kaine could live. It's as simple as that. Brother Nier was a pompous selfish shit who in the end only cared about himself, papa Nier tried to help everyone.

>tfw you'll never have a harem of sissy femboys

Even in the porn, this game must make me feel.

I think that's what makes brother Nier interesting though, he eventually becomes selfish because Yonah is such a burden.

Would YOU sell your asshole to men to help your dying sister?

Well she didn't start falling for him until after the timeskip in which he completely ditched the hopeful kid attitude.

Honestly these two being so different is great and I don't think one can be considered better than the other overall. Brother Nier had more development, but Father Nier is a better and more resolute human being.

Except a devoted father probably wouldn't choose to sacrifice himself for a hot futa over being there for his dying daughter. He's not doing it for himself,it's still a selfless act. He's just prioritizing his daughter over Kaine.

I don't think being a cunt is interesting. I don't think choosing death so you don't have to take care of your sister anymore is a strong character. It's different for a main character sure, but brother Nier in the end didn't wind up being all that likeable, where as I was genuinely sad that papa Nier died because he was only trying to do the right thing the whole time and managed to do the worst possible thing in the world. It makes much more sense when you hear what Taro's goal for the game was, a story where an event like 9/11 could be justified. Papa Nier wasn't trying to cause mass destruction or genocide, but he did anyways trying to do the right thing.

Nah that's not really the same thing. He could have assumed, and was right in doing so, that Kaine would take care of Yonah, and she did. The situation was closer to would you kill someone else so that you could live and then you could be with your daughter. Even if Nier didn't directly kill Kaine, it would have been emotionally the same, Nier letting Kaine die when he could have saved her. He didn't take that option canonically because he didn't want to be the one who decided Kaine died.

papa Nier want some fuk too. it's not like he's 80. he's ready for that herm asspussy

Brother Nier is absolutely a better developed character than papa Nier, but I think papa Nier is better fitting and makes more sense to the story. Like, the ending is totally nonsensical from brother Nier's perspective, if he didn't want to take care of Yonah anymore why didn't he just fucking leave and let the Shadowlord win? Besides being a Taro game and making sure all of humanity was doomed, it's silly that he would go that far just to throw it all away in the end because he didn't realize he didn't care until well after he had already completed his goal. Like the only reason brother Nier is a thing is so Taro could make a twist on the oniichan trope in Japanese media that he despises.

Reminder Kaine calling Weiss and asshole is what stopped the books from fusing and saving Humanity.

That scene of Kaine frustratingly trying make out with him was pretty hot.

I don't think brother straight up hated taking care of Yonah (certainly part of him did, but there was still a sense of responsibility there as well) he just chose Kaine over her when he had to.

There are many, many, many points in which humanity could have been saved and all would have been well. The point of the story is arrogance in the face of reality and hope beyond reason, doing things that are a bad idea because you think you can control the future and make the happy ending you want when you can't, doing things for selfish reasons despite the harm it will do to others. The characters are so motivated to see their goals through to the end that they don't care to know what it is they're actually doing.

Three of the four releases of Nier involve Papa Nier. Plus Automata states that the Original Nier relapsed in the year Gestalt begins. There are references to both versions but the year of Gestalt is specific.

That said, I think Brother Nier works better for Taro's obsession with loss of innocence/descent into madness.

>xbox360

>Japanese men are obsessed with teens/kids because that was the only enjoyable time of their lives
>American men are obsessed with macho men because they constantly feel emasculated
Is this about right?

Yeah I know, it's just funny to me to word it like that.

You've never even actually played the game, have you?

The point remains though that he spends the entire game fighting his ass off, getting cut, sliced, impaled, beat to shit to get to Yonah, fights the ultimate lord of the shades and his mythical magic book, all to save Yonah, and then by the end he's just like yeah nah fuck this I'm done, peace out. It kinda robs the ending of its impact because it's telling you that everything you did up to that point was futile, even though you succeeded. It's a shitty ending.

Honestly, if I got buttfucked for my sister's sake, she better not die on me

>I think Brother Nier works better for Taro's obsession with loss of innocence/descent into madness.
Yes, but I also don't think Nier should be that type of game. Headstrong papa Nier makes more sense in the context of the story and what Taro envisioned for the game.

Brother Nier protected Yonah out of obligation.

Papa Nier protected Yonah out of love.

Fuck you brofags my Nier could beat the shit out of your Nier

Not really, he just comes to realize though all that shit that he cares more about Kaine than his sister. The journey still mattered, it just led to a different destination.

I want to fuck Kaine in her pussy while I give her a reacharound

"The dick only makes it better." -- Nier the Dadbarian.

who knows user you might like it

But that's still playing into my point, it's silly that he didn't manage to realize that until the very end when he already accomplished everything. He could have taken Kaine and said fuck it let's run away somewhere if that's what he wanted. The ending is still robbed of its impact because it doesn't feel genuine. Nier didn't make that choice for good reasons, he just gave up.

This tbqh family.

bullying Kaine is not ok user

I like how Papa Nier is ugly. He looks like a hardened warrior who just wants to live with his daughter in peace, but at the same time is willing to fuck shit up if need be.

He honestly isn't even that ugly, it's just his hair.

he looks pretty cool in part 2 imo

>Taro's obsession with loss of innocence/descent into madness
No, what Taro has an obsession with is proving that killing people is wrong. Literally the reason he made DoD 1

Same.

His mask is actually one of my favorite masks I've seen. It's incredibly simple yet the way it's put on him makes it look so distinguished.

He never actually had to choose one over the other until that point when her relapsing/dying forced him to.

I thought DoD1 was a commentary on games at the time and how players have no qualms about tearing through hundreds of human lives to get to what they want. I could have sworn that was the reason the on foot segments got added to the game as late as they did, because Dynasty Warriors blew the fuck up in Japan and Taro was like yeah that's that shit.

Apparently they were thinking quite a bit, considering how well liked "Papa Nier" is in the west.

It's like turning that one Persona 1 character black for no other reason than localization. People dug it.

I hear Japan got both versions of Nier anyway.

Papa Nier best Nier no contest

Japan got both. Both games are canon. Brother and Papa Nier are Replicants of the same person.

Yes the xbox version there is gestalt

what the fuck are you talking about? they're the same character, father Nier is just reskin except that brother Nier also has some backstory in side material being canon.
t. someone who played Replicant

>I hear Japan got both versions of Nier anyway.
They sure did, papa Nier was on 360 for the fucking filthy westaboos in Japan.

I really liked when papa nier lost his shit during the devola/popola fight. Seeing the hardened veteran finally being visibly distressed by his actions is more impactful than an anime fuck boy

>Caim ends up being one of the most liked videogame protagonists because he's so comically murderous
I have a feeling that the Drakengard fanbase likes Taro's games for precisely the reasons that he sets out to make them unlikeable.

>they're the same character
With some key minor differences that change the context and tone of each character's actions. Even though both of them do 99% the same things, that 1% difference changes a lot.

>gaunt
>old
>awkward face
>pouty lips on top
Eh, he's like a 3/10, terrible haircut or no.

I don't think Taro sets out to make unlikeable characters or games, I think he just makes the commentary and lets players come to whatever conclusion they want, and people really like that.

He's ripped as hell but he isn't easy on the eyes

andromeda was a fucking mistake

I haven't seen much of Brother Nier so I can't say for sure which is the best version, but honestly I liked Papa Nier and thought he really fit the story. He's a bit of an idiot but also a really nice guy, definitely Taro's nicest protagonist. I also like that the game establishes him as a guy just trying to make ends meet who will do any random odd job, there are a lot of men like that but I don't think they're portrayed in vidya that often (except as mercenaries). There are certainly vidya characters who DO odd jobs but they're usually just incidental fluff to pad out the gameplay, whereas in Nier they're fully acknowledged by the story.

Does anyone else want to have sexual intercourse with Kaine

actually it's Kaine that has the big ol boner for Nier

westernization done RIGHT

From the cut scenes I've seen, all the moments, emotions, actions of characters feels so fucking forced and the characters speak a weird, disjointed english. It doesn't fucking make sense most of the time just cause. Stopping sentences mid way while they're. Picking up the bits and pieces to make sense out of it in your. Anus.

maybe not gay tho

Papa Nier is better simply because Papa Shadowlord is better

While I agree, you can tell more effort went into bro Shadowlord.

Fuck off worst girl

Brother Nier is better because seeing Kaine's reaction when she looks at Nier, who's now taller than her, after time skip, put a big smile on my face

Is that Father Nier with two Brother Nier cumdumps?