>haven't played WoW in 8 years >new patch announcement got me curious to check up on WoW's wiki for old time's sake and see what's up with the lore >Azeroth is a dormant titan strong enough to face Sargeras
Not just face Sargeras, but the potential to be the most powerful Titan in all creation. Sargeras wants to destroy it because of the potential of it being corrupted by the Old Gods/Void Lords for their own purpose.
Austin Powell
Also, Sargeras fell in love with the sleeping Azeroth titan spirit, since he saw an eye open briefly and look at him the first time he failed to invade the planet and became instantly smitten.
Characters and players on Azeroth are defending her - yes her- not only from destruction but also rape on just about every level possible.
And sargeras figuratively and literally wants to fuck then kill an unborn baby titan girl.
Elijah Rivera
Azeroth is a girl?
If she manifests in her physical form, you think she'll be lewd?
Brayden Sullivan
what do you think the maelstrom is
Hunter Diaz
Is there r34 of azeroth?
Levi Jackson
Her gaping hole, I like it
Levi Wright
>what do you think the maelstrom is >maelstrom was once the well of eternity >sargeras wanted to come out of the well of eternity >is azeroth giving birth to or shitting out her stalker?
it really makes you think
Tyler White
I miss the times of WC3, when the deeper parts of the lore were really hidden and did not devour the more interesting personal story. Fuck you, Blizzard, you fell for the epik fantasy meme, but you have no talent to pull it off.
Brody Clark
>giant infant giving birth to demon stalker sounds just like my japanese anime
Jason Myers
>Azeroth is a "she" >can't stop thinking lewd thoughts >aroused at the idea of fucking a planet
w-what's wrong with me?
Cooper Edwards
top kek
Nathan Gonzalez
If Azeroth is a girl then is STV her vajayjay
Elijah Moore
>Azeroth is the last Titan Soul >Sargeras originally wanted to destroy it, now wants to have her for himself >Orcs and Ogres are shards of an ancient Titan-infused elemental, they gained flesh from the abundance of Spirit on Draenor and spore from sentient plant colossi dying >Trolls had a massive Empire and aligned with the Mogu Thunder King, ended when Titan Watchers said 'Fuck you' and nuked the southern third of current Kalimdor >Troll Empire crumbles, Elves confirmed to be evolved Trolls, Night Elves create empire after tearing the Trolls a new asshole >Azshara goes and partys too hard, blowing apart a continent >Turns out the Well of Eternity had been where Y'shaarj was
Now let me talk about Y'shaarj because he was a cool dude.
>Strongest Old God by a massive margin >His troops would become the Mantid, best of the Black Empire remnants >Titans sent absolutely massive armies against him, he slaughtered them all before they could even land a hit >Aman'thul himself intervened, ripping Y'shaarj out of the ground like a weed >Y'shaarj was ingrained so deeply that this exposed part of Azeroth's core, filled the hole he left with arcane energy >Said hole would become the Well of Eternity, later the Maelstrom >Even in death, Y'shaarj's blood fucks over the entire continent of Pandaria >He might not even be fully dead considering Sha are still around.
Now back on topic. >Old Gods are the real-space entities used by Void Lords to corrupt planets >Sargeras turned evil after seeing them trying to corrupt a Titan Soul, decided to destroy the planet in its sleep to save it and everyone else >Pantheon horrified, he goes into self-imposed exile >Decides that if he can't kill the Void Lords, kill everything else to starve them out and hope life can bloom again. >Breaks demons out of prison, drinks the green Kool-aid, starts the Burning Crusade, kills the rest of the Titans, starts going around killing and enlisting a bunch of races into the Crusade
Fun stuff.
Joshua Flores
How was "Azeroth is a titan" revealed? Was it some big-ass quest chain via cinematic, NPC dialogue or quest text? Or was mentioned in a lore Q&A?
That kind of twist, dumb as it is, is way to huge to just be something said in a mere quest.
Charles King
wasnt even discussed in the game. it was revealed in a book
Henry Cruz
The Titans are dead WTF ?
Nicholas Richardson
It was first said in the Chronicle, which came out in WoD, and then Magni came back and basically explained it because while he was a diamond (Technically still is) Azeroth talked to him.
So in lore, a bit into WoD, in game, a semi-short scenario that took as back to Ulduar before Legion. Algalon even made a surprise cameo.
It sort of explains why there's so much Titan and Old God stuff on Azeroth of all places, and it also explains how we know we need to find the Pillars of Creation (Titan Relics left behind to safeguard the planet).
Lucas Richardson
I stopped playing after TBC, can lorefags explain something to me:
Did they ever expound more on what 'The Light' is, more? I was thoroughly disgusted when TBC made it so that space windchimes could be physically drained of their Light to make Blood Knights, it was like Star Wars and their micichlorian shit ruining The Force.
Lucas Hall
i miss warcraft 2 where the Alliance apologetically genocided the Orc homeworld
Wyatt Butler
They went to fight Sargeras, he got really fucking mad, and hit them with a giant Fel Storm.
Technically they're still alive but their souls are dormant or absorbed by the Watchers left on Azeroth.
Windchimes are just conduits of the Light, not the Light itself. Even then, the 'Light' grants powers through will and belief, so while they were draining the Naaru they didn't quite take its power, they just thought they did and got the power back.
David Garcia
>Did they ever expound more on what 'The Light' is, more? I was thoroughly disgusted when TBC made it so that space windchimes could be physically drained of their Light to make Blood Knights, it was like Star Wars and their micichlorian shit ruining The Force.
The Naaru aren't the "light" perse but are products of the "Light," In the Warcraft mythos, the light and the void are the most fundamental elements of the universe. The Naaru, deities attuned to the light, the light the paladins worship, An'she, etc. etc. are derived from the light. On the other spectrum, void walkers, demons, dark fel magic etc. all derive from the "Void"
Isaac Robinson
The Void Lords and Old Gods are going to turn out to be the good guys I fucking guarantee it.
They are the represenatives of Free Will to counter the Titans Thought-enslavement.
Azeroth herself is going to destroy all of us and it's gonna be some huge slog to prepare her to enter the world "properly" and not fuck over all life because they don't like it, as titans are one to do.
What exactly is the knowledge that drives shadow-priests and those who touch the old gods so crazy?
Andrew Watson
Weren't they always dead? I seem to recall running into quests and remnants of Titan lore across the game where they hint the Titans are gone or some shit.
Hudson Turner
>Azeroth herself is going to destroy all of us and it's gonna be some huge slog to prepare her to enter the world "properly" and not fuck over all life because they don't like it, as titans are one to do.
>being suffocated by a THICC titan giantess' ass
my characters are ready
Owen Price
>Even then, the 'Light' grants powers through will and belief, so while they were draining the Naaru they didn't quite take its power, they just thought they did and got the power back.
I don't get it. The Blood Knights thought they were draining the Light even though the Light is actually un-drainable, but because they thought they did it, it manifested as them actually doing it?
Carson Lee
Nah, Old Gods want to enslave everything while Void Lords want to eat everything. What drives people crazy is the sheer amount of 'should not be' that they are.
Titans actually encourage Life to progress, it's simply a matter of it occuring in an orderly fashion that promotes the planet being sustained. When Algalon wanted to nuke us it was because he thought we were the reason Yogg was getting out, and the only way to stop it was to wipe the planet so he falls back asleep
Caleb Harris
Yep. The Light being 'drained' was technically getting pumped onto the Sunwell, which DID recover a bit from the supplement, but Blood Knights got their power by believing they could use the Light again because of it.
Jaxon Martinez
>Azeroth is a dormant titan what the fuck how does that even work
Owen Brown
So is this guy still being tentacle raped for god knows how long?
Nicholas Perez
Chances are after this expansion it'll be some kind of old god expansion.
The Pillars of creation are going to unleash them.
Brody Jones
>What drives people crazy is the sheer amount of 'should not be' that they are.
Cool Titan Propaganda you've got there you Astroturfing Titan $hill.
If they "Should not be" Why are they? Why are the Old Gods on all the planets that the Titans visited, up to and including Azertoth?
Ethan Price
That is a bit bizarre for the Warcraft universe. I mean, it's not an uncommon trope in fiction (see: atheism/disbelief in the supernatural actually protecting you against magic), but it seems weird here. So if someone convinced a Blood Knight of what you're saying and they realized that they weren't actually draining Naaru power, they'd lose their ability to use the
Jeremiah Jones
The Naaru was giving them the power and allowing them to believe the draining was working.
Justin Gray
To be honest, I have a guilty pleasure of the "old god" lore of Warcraft. I'm tempted to sub just for something like that.
Robert Sanchez
also >draenor >outlands former is the "alternate timeline" right is there a mirror version of everything in that alternate timeline or what holy fuck this is such a clusterfuck, whatever happened to orc vs humans vs maybe some other races
Brody Sanders
Nope. He actually escaped Ozumat before getting to Azshara , if I recall. He's on of the Shaman allies in Legion.
Void Lords actually don't exist on the same plane as us, they exist in the Void. A Void Lord in realspace causes rapid entropy that basically sucks everything around it back into the Void. Old Gods are specially made vestiges that hookplanets and drag them into the Void.
They stopped draining the Naaru after TBC and went straight to Light belief, after a mild crisis of Faith when they found out what exactly the Naaru were. Also see , the Naaru in question was giving them a little bit of a boost.
Separate timeline, which isn't all that new to WoW. It has some changes (Garrosh never born, Ner'zhul's mate never died, etc.) but is basically Draenor nonetheless.
Hunter Hughes
yeah, there is an alternate version of the entire universe, but we only get to visit draenor. AU azeroth is pretty much fucked, but we give a fuck about those guys,
Oliver Bell
Wonder how our AU characters handling all of this.
Asher Gray
Should clear up a bit on this, AU Draenor is less a separate timeline and more its own pocket dimension of sorts. We don't know if there's an AU Azeroth, and there likely isn't, as WoD Draenor was specially created using Bronze/Infinite Dragon shenanigans.
Ayden Gutierrez
>not going outside and partially burying your fleshlight and going to town
Carter Wilson
>sargeras wants to burn the entire universe so that the void lords cant have it >void lords want to corrupt everything, via azeroth because it's that strong >heroes basically telling the universe to fuck off for their own sake
pretty neat, desu
I wonder if Odyn and the titans will get their powers back
Jace Campbell
I...guess that makes sense? Weird, it's usually the other way around (evil being gives someone power that they want to use for a good purpose, but the evil nature of the power eventually corrupts them too)
desu I just really, really miss faction-specific Paladin/Shaman, only Human/Dwarf Paladins. My dream server would be vanilla with tweaks to let Paladins be viable raid tanks and Shaman be viable raid DPS in addition to their healing roles.
Gabriel Fisher
>WoW's conflict against Sargeras is ultimately being the biggest cock-blocker in the dark titan's conquest for qt planet booty
what did blizz' lore team mean by this?
Daniel Johnson
Old gods are vessels of the void lords, are they not?
Gavin Murphy
Think of it this way;
If someone believes the Light is on their side, it is, but how they use it typically tests their faith.
Just look at the Scarlet Crusade, they're undoubtedly evil, but they can still use the Light.
Sort of, Old Gods are beings that simply work to drag worlds into the Void, so the Void Lords can have them.
Jayden Foster
ayyyyyyyy
Justin Myers
>read through the chronicle >forced to learn about bullshit pandas intertwined with early azeroth history
Nathaniel Thomas
they can't write for shit.
Adrian Hernandez
Pretty sure the watchers received their memories and that was it.
Ra-den went into depression and locked himself away because of it.
Easton Fisher
>The old gods are parasites to the planet >So the titans pwn the old gods into submission >Eventually the stone races are afflicted with the curse of flesh >they worship the titans >some start worshipping magic instead, get buttfucked by interstellar demons because why the fuck not >But apparently the demons were already coming their way anyway >Also, the old gods were just corrupted >And the titans are just dickwads >but wait, the titans were also corrupted >And the biggest baddest demon who was a titan, but then got corrupted, was corrupted-corrupted >and now the planet is a titan
TOPSY TURVY
James Adams
This should put things into perspective.
Wyatt Parker
>Not wanting to read about Da Thunda King and how he beat the shit out of Xuen.
Liam Stewart
user a lot of that shit isbflat wrong. Old Gods aren't corrupted. Neither were the Titans. Sargeras isn't evenbcorrupted really, he's just a gigantic dick.
Ian Collins
who cares about either of them
Gabriel Foster
>He doesn't care about Lei Mother Fucking Shen, the coolest villain since Arthas >The guy who made the Watchers piss their pants >The guy who beat up High Watcher Ra because he was being a pussy >The guy who enslaved the Pandas and became bros with the Zandalari
Brandon Butler
Here is a good question. So there are churches in warcraft, specificall WoW right? So what exactly priests worship?
William Kelly
sounds about right
Angel Morales
The light.
Aaron Parker
The Light.
James Harris
pretty sure they all inadvertently worship the light in some fashion
Samuel Ross
no the deadwind pass is and the dark portal is her butthole.
It's just catholicism without the god and the bad parts
Henry Torres
>LeThrall
Gabriel Davis
>It's just catholicism without the god and the bad parts >who are the scarlet crusade
Daniel Reyes
I've played WoW on-and-off since launch. I think it's pretty common belief that the lore has gotten worse and worse and more soap opera-esque, and save for small blips of quality it's not worth thinking about.
I'll admit, though, the "Azeroth is a nascent titan" thing is the first decent idea I've heard out of the game since the Sha in Pandaria. Especially since Sargeras has destroyed the rest. It makes sense why the universe is so interested in the world.
And though I know it'll never come true, I still hope that Elune is a naaru. Would be a great way to tie more things together.
Thomas Hill
>I'll admit, though, the "Azeroth is a nascent titan" thing is the first decent idea I've heard out of the game since the Sha in Pandaria. Especially since Sargeras has destroyed the rest. It makes sense why the universe is so interested in the world.
If there's one thing I can say for WoW lore, the old god and titan lore are the ones I like. Sadly, it's because we know so little of them that the essential lore we have of them is enough. I fear that the more lore of titans and old gods we know, the more it'll be ruined just like how they did for many aspects of WoW's lore.
Jacob Adams
its shit writing, men get over it
Daniel Green
ALEC?
Tyler Brown
Old gods and Titans are literally the only decent lore left
Aiden Cook
Azeroth was a dormant titan soul LONG before Legion. Read the fucking books.
Andrew Reyes
I have read about 10, regret all of them, and never seen the implification.
Justin Reyes
Fairly sure it was only explicitly revealed in that Chronicles book. Completely open to evidence otherwise, though. What book says/implies it?
Leo Hughes
Watch it crumble as they add more to it.
I thought Lich King lore was cool but the more we got of it in Wrath, the shittier it got.
And? OP said he hasn't played WoW in years and decided to catch up via wiki. Doesn't matter if the Chronicles book was released last year which by the way is where the bit of info was revealed in that book which was released in March 2016, four months before Legion released. Not "LONG before" as you're implying.
Brody Campbell
I checked, I've read 18. Christ.
Elijah Turner
The light is a weird entity that gives itself to the faithful, regardless of who is faithful of what.
For instance, Goblins can be Priests because they believe both in their brains and in their hearts, until their dying breath, that capitalism can literally save the world. A weird juxtaposition of faith and greed led to the first goblin priests- which they immediately turned into a corporation, selling their newly found healing powers which, ironically, only made them stronger.
The Trolls believe in the old magic of the Loa, and are almost druidic in nature with animal spirits, and constantly dance the line between light and shadow, but returning to the light always as they believe the loa will always care for them, trolls, in that sense, are incredibly hard to corrupt.
Humans and Dwarves believe in... something. I forget, either that or they never outright said what.
Night Elves believe in Elune, and if Tyrande is any indication she both exists and emboldens night elf priests actively.
Etc.
Brayden Young
>Elune created the Naaru Thanks for that, Elune
Real helpful
Ryan Johnson
I get the funny feeling that both the Light and Elune are going to be revealed as aspects of Azeroth-as-a-titan. The only thing all these disparate factions really have in common is faith and the defense (whether indirect or direct) of Azeroth itself. The Scarlet Crusade are a bunch of crazies, but ones that are fighting against undead, demons, even if they're killing innocents.
Jose Wilson
Light is an important word in the Masonic system. It conveys a far more recondite meaning than it is believed to possess by the generality of readers. It is in fact the first of all the symbols presented to the neophyte, and continues to be presented to him in various modifications throughout all his future progress in his Masonic career. It does not simply mean, as might be supposed, truth or Sodom, but it contains within itself a far more abstruse allusion to the very essence of Speculative Freemasonry, and embraces within its capacious signification all the other symbols of the Order. Freemasons are emphatically called the Sons of Light, because they are, or at least are entitled to be, in possession of the true meaning of the symbol; while the profane or uninitiated who have not received this knowledge are, by a parity of expression, said to be in darkness.
The connection of material light with this emblematic and mental illumination, was prominently exhibited in all the ancient systems of religion and esoteric mysteries. Among the Egyptians, the hare was the hieroglyphic of eyes that are open, because that animal was supposed to have his eyes always open.
The priests afterward adopted the hare as the symbol of the moral illumination revealed to the neophytes in the contemplation of the Divine Truth, and hence, according to Champollion, it was also the symbol of Osiris, their principal divinity, and the chief object of their mystic rites thus showing the intimate connection that they maintained in their symbolic language between the process of initiation and the contemplation of divinity. On this subject a remarkable coincidence has been pointed out by Baron Portal (Les Symboles des Egyptiens, 69) in the Hebrew language. There the word for hare is arnebet, which seems to be compounded of aur, tight, and nabat, to see; so that the word which among the Egyptians was used to designate an initiation, among the Hebrews meant to see the light.
Dominic Reyes
I like Warcraft.
Like, I REALLY like Warcraft.
Charles White
>I still hope that Elune is a naaru
If she is, she'll end up being some sort of offshoot to be more moon-like or something
Jackson Scott
Or not, considering she made them all
Justin Gonzalez
So trolls are the WE WUZ of Warcraft? All the Titan and old god shit is way too meta. I wish blizzard would go back to the horde v. Alliance conflict
Andrew Walker
No because unlike niggers the trolls actually had an empire.
Mason Roberts
im pretty sure humans and dwarves worship Tyr.
Carter Scott
>Naaru are literally Elune's Windchimes that she accidentally gave life to one afternoon. >She didn't even realize it until one day she started to hear them preaching
Eli Harris
>Illidan novel confirms Burning Legion has literally destroyed 90% or more of the planets in the universe >not the galaxy, the fucking universe >most life is either, corrupted or dead >not even w40k has that level of grimdark
>The Void is filled with a bunch of massive entities that can drive people insane just by being in their presence >Sargeras is literally walking to Azeroth, annihilating everything in his path just by the way he's moving >Souls are that are taken and used by the Legion are shattered, never even reaching the Shadowlands, which is a sort of super-hell for those abandoned by the Light >Giving your soul to the Void means you'll be in a state of eternally being torn apart, but your mind will be so warped you don't even feel it >Even being joined with the Light may not be an end for you, as you may be called on again to fight the Demons or the Void
>The objectively best ending one can get is to die as a Druid and get reincarnated into a tree, or be taken to the Emerald Dream to help maintain tranquility for as long as Azeroth exists.