pros: >saves time >shortens game length even with 8 stock timer. >tournaments could run 3 stock Best of 5 in the same amount of time a 4 stock Best of 3 tourney runs >puff gets more aggresive on last stock/opponents last stock so the puff vs floatie or spacie matchup goes by faster >Ledge grab limit is solved because of reason above >able to play in all stages so variables by stage picks are less drastic and shows true skill >if street fighter matches can last less than a minute than melee players can take 1min avg off their 4 min games which are already tiring as fuck >most matches are decided by the third stock anyway seriously go look at any match right now >although twitch is cancer less game time=easier to watch= equals more viewers=more players=more money
4 stocks is an arbitrary number picked because 5 was too long and the 4 stock rule was decided when gimps happened every 10 seconds. 4 is arbitrarily too long for the new meta especially with more defensive play being a prominent feature for the meta.
cons: >less skill maybe Idk not really though because the better player should win anyway.
4 stocks is objectively too long and ruining the game.
Hudson Edwards
Then you're arguing for a shorter time limit. You're saying 8 minutes is too long. No game ever goes beyond 8 minutes regardless of stocks, so your argument is in favour of shortening the maximum length of a game because you feel that it is too long. Lowering stocks only lowers the minimum length of a game.
Benjamin Reyes
Fuck no
Angel Rivera
>Then you're arguing for a shorter time limit. who said the time limit had to change? If honestly prefer 3 stock 8 minutes. 8 minutes ensures camping is less of an "optimal" strategy.
Jack Richardson
>we're thinking of changing the rules a little so we should entertain completely overhauling them I hate this meme
Alexander Evans
>who said the time limit had to change?
You did. You said 4 stocks is "too long" but stocks don't determine the maximum length of a game of Melee in competitive setting, the time limit does. Stocks determine the minimum length of a game. If you have a problem with games going too long, then the solution would have to do with the time limit. If you are concerned with game not being long enough, then the solution would have to do with the stock count.
Liam Thomas
>competitive party games No thanks Timer is best ruleset because it means all players get to play the full length of the match
Camden Young
itt: people who irrationally hate change
Christian Morgan
Changing something just to change it does not mean it will be good.
Noah Wilson
Melee entitlement at its best in this thread. >Things can't change because it just "feels" right
Pokemon stadium should be banned as well considering it is a fox favored stage and transformations cause many problems such as infinites, randomly falling through the stage, and other fox benefits. t. fox main
Another thing I wanted to point out is that melee is a primarily defensive game with over 90% of characters being floaties. Floatie vs Floatie matchup already take forever as is.
Cooper Butler
Could you point out anywhere in the thread where >Things can't change because it just "feels" right was said?
Luis Reyes
>Stocks determine the minimum length of a game So more games ending at the theoretical minimum time limit still results in theoretical time saved.
Zachary Flores
and any other time any smasher or TO suggest a ruleset change. At royal flush people were already pissed about a 7 minute ruleset. Same thing with evo and best of 3. Rainbow cruise and Kongo jungle being banned had outcry as well.
Gabriel Smith
Which is not what you were talking about. You were saying that games went too long, and so stocks should be lowered, which objectively doesn't follow.
Matthew Wright
>over 90% of characters being floaties
in the top 12 characters, there are only 5 floaties
puff peach IC's samus Luigi
no one gives a shit about the other characters at competitive level.
Dylan Diaz
are marth shiek pikachu and Dr mario not considered floaties?
Blake Stewart
they aren't fast fallers but i wouldn't consider any of them floaties
Ethan Martinez
They're not floaties. They're mid weight characters. Semi-floaty would be the most accurate assessment of where they fit between floaty and fastfaller as they don't fit into either category truly. Additionally; the trademark characteristic of a floaty is that they're extremely hard to juggle. Marth, Sheik, Pika, and Doc are all extremely easy to juggle outside of a few matchups.
Gabriel Ward
Why don't you take this shit to Reddit with the other melee keyboard warriors where it belongs? No one there has ever been to a tournament either, and they also like to overreact at everything hbox does, and suggest poorly thought out ruleset changes. You'd love it there.
Joseph Ortiz
Tournaments already generally end on time within the context of Melee's competitive scene. Shortening it to 3 stocks would do nothing for the game aside providing a better chance for a weaker player to sneak out a win due to the lack of needing to play through one more stock.
Jose Ramirez
Here's another question then.
If we want stocks to depend on skill then why don't we up the stock count to 5, after all that gives a better representation of skill correct? Because apparently to most people playing the game isn't about time saved then.
I'm not trying to stir shit, I just wanted to see people's opinions on stock change in response to LGL and tournament time problems. I believe changing the stock system could potentially solve that problem and simultaneously boost the growth of the community.
Lincoln Rivera
>not 99 stock with only pokeballs on high
William Long
This may actually be the most cancerous Smash Bros related thread I've seen.
Brody Watson
Oh that's right, I forgot Sup Forums isn't about game discussion but about funny memes, Sonnyggers vs Nintentoddlers, and 2b ass threads.
William Watson
>If we want stocks to depend on skill then why don't we up the stock count to 5, after all that gives a better representation of skill correct?
How is five stocks a better representation of skill than 4? You'd have to present some data that there's a disparity in results between the same two skilled players with 5 vs 4 stocks.
Colton Parker
5 stocks would be an objectively greater assessment of skill. As would a best of 7 as opposed to best of 5 or best of 3. 4 stock (and by extension best of 5 stuff) is merely implemented since it's both fairly long compared to 2-3 stock alternatives and yet quick enough to complete in most cases such that it won't drag the tournament out beyond necessary time constraints. It's simply the greatest amount that's feasible to pull off in a tournament setting.
The only reason that smash 4 is at 2 stocks is because their games run 4-5 minutes as is and therefore a longer game just isn't plausible if you want to complete everything within a weekend.
Liam Ramirez
What did you fucking expect these are melee faggots
Literally every fighting game fanbase moves on to the next game but melee fags. Gonna be hilarious when this game dies next year
Jayden Murphy
This would be fine for most matchups except for floaty dittos with characters that are hard to edgeguard, so puff/peach/samus pretty much. I wouldn't even care if all matches were 5, except floaty dittos are like 3. It would still result in the best player winning, and save time.
Alexander Lee
Maybe because normal game developers don't massively fuck up the core fundamentals of their games.
Anthony Young
you could have moved on to another thread, but you chose to stop here just to bitch and moan about people talking about video games on a monogolian video game discussion board
why?
Juan Parker
Move on you fucking faggot. Melee sucks and you know it.
Thomas Sullivan
If they are too autistic to stop it seems at odds with the game dying don't you think?
Jack Baker
Then you don't know which are the core fundamentals of Smash Bros. Being a neckbeard playing Fox on Final Destination only is not the way Smash Bros is meant to be played.
Oliver Mitchell
Why is Smash the only series where Sup Forums will defend developers dumbing down the gameplay by removing mechanics?
Ryan King
That's why people are jumping onto the next MvC instead of jumping at the DBZ game right? Oh wait.
Fact is: In terms of Melee, there isn't anything that plays like it aside maybe Rivals of Aether which is in itself a wholly distinct game. This is why it lives on. People love how it plays and no other game even within its own series plays remotely like it. Ultimately, continuing to play Melee as opposed to Smash 4 is the epitome of voting with your wallet.
Jose Reyes
>implying I even play fox
John Rogers
It's clear that you're overreacting to the recent timeouts (3? Hbox/chu, m2k/chu, m2k/westballz) and trying to fix an issue that isn't really present. You would know this if you ever attended tournaments, which I don't think you do. No one at /r/smashbros does either, so I think you would be better off circlejerking there. Super dope response though. Because I definitely mentioned console wars and memes.
Bentley Gutierrez
I honestly think it's just occasional marketers coupled with the usual shitposting. It's easy to hate on something for persisting if it's perceived as an anomaly by every standard metric and it's equally easy to mock it if it has as unusual of an origin as Melee does in terms of competitive games.
Asher Cook
This. Sup Forums likes to shit on melee really hard just because "hurr durr autism" but then has a circle jerk about Diablo 2, fallout new vegas, or any other game where the sequels were worse
makes no sense.
Oliver Lewis
>melee player logic >I play this old ass game because it's fun, I don't care about big N's opinion >sure I would play PM if it released instead of brawl but it's just not official
Eli Howard
>implying I only play melee because more people play it rest of the time I'm rocking that PM and nintendo can suck my dick
Jaxon Long
>It's clear that you're overreacting to the recent timeouts (3? Hbox/chu, m2k/chu, m2k/westballz) and trying to fix an issue that isn't really present. I'm reacting to other people reacting to want to ruin the game with something as arbitrary as an LGL. This isn't fucking brawl. We can do better.
>You would know this if you ever attended tournaments I do. I understand that ledge camping isn't an issue as I have never even encountered it at anything I've ever went to but what I'm trying to suggest is actually at least an issue of minor relevance to the scene. Whether you want to partake in the topic is up to you.
>Because I definitely mentioned console wars and memes. I was being facetious. I was just implying that it's actually is easier to talk about video games there than here because 90% of boards these days are shitposts. Name two other threads where the OP is as active with the game discussion or memepost as his topic let's on before completely ditching the thread?
Christopher Barnes
Smash is a fucking disease. It spread like a plague too in the recent years.
Benjamin Myers
>Implying I like Project floaty fest auto combos You know somethings fucked with that game when Puff's recovery isn't even the best. I think the way Armada and Leffen described the way the new characters was good. The dev team basically had a everybody needs everything mindset. Everyone has a good recovery. Everyone has a guranteed combo throw. Everyone has a kill throw. Everyone has fucking everything.
