Holy fucking shit is 4k the most cancer? Can you nerd normies explain to me why the fuck you need 4k?
Do people want 4k? is there people that demand 4k? im fine playing 1080p
Sometimes i switch to 4k to look for a difference, and its bearly enough noticable difference for me to WANT/NEED 4k, its a MEH difference
Why would i want 4k on lower FPS then 1080P in high FPS
>Like what the fuck is this cancer spreading 4k? can we stop this meme right now lets kill 4k developers are going anal for 4k and it seems that only Gay youtubers want 4k.
If you're very close to the screen like a desk monitor then yes 4k Will make a significant increase. 4k is so crisp up close with a desk monitor it's do much better than 1080p. You need 4k to be able to get a retina experience.
If you have a 40-50 inch 1080p TV in the living room and sit 1.5-2 meters away it's already retina.
David Gomez
The 4k resolution is a meme but associated technologies like deeper blacks, wider color gamut, HDR, etc. are not. Wipeout Omega Collection on a properly configured 4k set is a night and day difference.
Bentley Sullivan
Something being retina is relative how far you sit away from the screen
Kevin Diaz
>4k still has aliasing issues 8k standard when?
Levi Williams
4k matters if you're up lose like behind a desk. 4k doesn't mean anything if you're 2 meters away from the screen and it's 50 inch or below.
Asher Bell
Got a 22 inch pure 4k monitor last month and it truly does make a difference.
Elijah Nelson
>Why would i want 4k on lower FPS then 1080P in high FPS psst I hav sekret
when better parts com u can hav 4k at HIHG fps just like 1080p
Logan Rogers
bullshit, bullshit it doesnt it makes hardly any noticable fucking difference, there is a difference if u look for one, but you cant tell if its better or placebo
i have a 22 inch too lmao fucking cancer people like this shill fuck off
John Adams
>22 inch I"m so sorry.
Camden Price
point of 4K is that you get high resolution screenshots of your waifus.
also natural AA, more things on screen..
Connor Cooper
Shit dude looking at the 1080P version actually hurts my eyes. It's like I'm wearing someone else's glasses
Isaiah Howard
Be honest senpai, be fucking realistic Many many many systems even high end GAMING PC's struggle to optimize 1080P, Some games are fine but Be fucking realistic, if games struggle to maintain a 60FPS on 1080P on high end pc's today why would 4k be even a concern right now
4k is probably like 10 Years ahead of its time if we are being honest senpai, developers are dumb and slap a 4k badge and think its good but read up on all the issues people are having and it doesnt compare to the success only a few are having
Cameron Campbell
4k meme is mostly a console plebeian thing.
For PC players who are already on 120+ hz , ultrawide 1440p monitors, we have other priorities. We've had higher resolutions for years before it became an option on televisions with 720p and 1080p.
I don't even know why its discussed honestly. A resolution is a simple setting change. Its always been there on PC. Its not something you would even market to a PC player.
Zachary Cook
It is retarded for consoles, but for PCs it's not out of reach at all
10 years ago a fucking 8800 gtx was high end, compare that shit to today's 1080ti
Joshua Collins
let for consoles to make a substantial thing into a meme because they can deliver visual quality above 25 fps
Carson Torres
HDR is a meme too, non-HDR media can look worse than normal on HDR sets. Its going to be fixed eventually across the board but until then its not worth it.
Shit novidia had to miss-calibrate a bunch of monitors to make their HDR garbage look better at all.
Asher Reed
1080p is as much of a meme as 4k Both are fucking shit and just force you to pay for jewy components. 720p is all you need in a monitor. Have fun spending hundreds on components, you fucks.
Owen Hall
anything past 480p is a luxury desu
Hunter Gomez
I unironically like to watch my animus and cartons in comfy 480p.
Jayden Sullivan
wait till 8K and 12K come out
Ethan Edwards
Why do people even get 4k monitors under 32 inches?
Benjamin Sanchez
Same senpai
The higher DPI makes CRT shaders look nicer.
Easton Price
Because 27 inch monitors on a desktop you're relatively close. 1089p or even 1440p isn't even close being retina.
Julian Roberts
It's a meme to push consoles, and I cannot wait for the posts from underage faggots across the internet with things like "so I need a 4K TV to actually see 4K?!"
Adrian Reed
4K is good if you have a big enough display and sit close. I sit close to my 39" 4K that I use as a monitor. I notice the difference right away.
My example is extreme though. Anything smaller than 32" is pointless for 4K imo. Better off going for 1080p 120hz
William Jenkins
1080p 21.5" at the desk for gaymes, 2160p 42" on the wall for other media. You fags also need to stop saying '4k'. You're probably not using 4k, and if you are you're a total idiot.
Isaiah Hernandez
>ps4/xbone all struggling to get a stable 30fps and some games aren't even in true 1080P >console makers decide it's a good idea to make a console that runs at double the resolution which maybe 5% of the consumer base has displays that support it and 15fps
Daniel Cruz
>Wipeout Omega Collection
Ethan Lee
Theres people on this board right now that unironically find shit video games entertaining
Angel Rodriguez
>Stop liking what I don't like!!!
Thomas Roberts
consoles dont even do 60fps 1080p anyways, why not just stick with higher fps 720p? explain why we need 1080p its barely any difference
Jackson Wilson
nah
Jaxon Wood
It definitely makes a difference, even if you're only downscaling from it on a 1080p monitor with DSR/VSR. 1080p looks like shit in some newer games. Lately I've been playing Valkyria Chronicles in 4K, and it looks absolutely gorgeous. Don't plan on upgrading to a 4K monitor though, I'd rather upgrade to 1440p/144hz and downscale from 5K when I have the horsepower to spare.
Kayden Martinez
I got my 4K 39" for one reason and that's sniping in red orchestra. 30fps doesn't matter. Seeing enemies in prone through iron sights is a lot clearer now
Kayden Mitchell
What if it's a 40 inch 4k and you only sit about two feet away?
Alexander Martinez
>ctrl+f >no Armed and Delirious thread time to change that
Gabriel Moore
fucking placebos amirite
Cameron Jones
Console CPUs are terrible, but they have comparably, especially on the Pro/X, pretty good GPUs. A heavy CPU bottleneck makes higher framerates more difficult, especially in open world games.
Blake Walker
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Andrew Gray
Higher fps is obviously better on a performance level, but the fact is consoles are low fps locked. The 4k console makes sense since it couldn't hit above 60 fps anyways.
Kevin Robinson
I keep hearing this bullshit "smaller than 33 inch don't bother with 4k" Which is complete bullshit. You people don't even know how to calculate view distance x screen size x resolution. It's not a waste unless you are really far which isn't the case with desktop monitors usually.
27 inch 4k is a huge difference. I sit very close to the screen.
In case you want to know the math
a = tan ^ -1 (h/2d)
Camden Torres
This guy is correct.
Nicholas Green
4K is reddit
Caleb Edwards
It's retina at 31 inches / 79cm
Colton Turner
Good post.
Connor Anderson
>720p doesnt even look that blurry
What is this supposed to be? 4k propaganda >take a 420 screen capture >take a 1080P screen cap
put them next to each other and label one 1080 P and the other 4k
>placebo effect
William Russell
>you are now reading this in my voice
now, let's talk about the music
Logan Campbell
I'm still butt mad that higher resolution became the new meme with the new lineup of consoles instead of focusing on higher frame rate. Often it's not even true 4K or just normal 1080p, so maybe it's just their excuse to not put in the effort.
Brody Thompson
I'll take 4K, 60fps PS2 graphics over the ugly turds of a game we get today.
Jordan Brown
My tv 42' Full HD TV die and I bought a 40' 4K, not because it is 4K, but because it was what could I buy at the moment. I will notice a difference playing console games (not even PS4 Pro) playing at less than 1 meter away from the screen?
William Watson
Gaming on 1920x1200 for over 12 years. Started with a 17" Dell laptop then in 2007 moved to a 24" Acer 1920x1200 LCD. Honestly it looks fine even to this day and I plan on sticking with it for a long while.
However. I played on my girlfriend's laptop today. 15.6" 1920x1080. Technically lower resolution than my 24". But holy fuck if it doesn't look significantly sharper. And it got me thinking. TV screens used to be super small compared to today. CRTs capped out around 30" at the largest and typical CRT TVs were much smaller. It was only when we started to manufacture super cheap LCDs that screen sizes inflated.
Now we're used to gaming on 65" flat screens and let me tell you, at 1080p those pixels are HUGE. Run this calculator to figure out how huge:
The important number is the dot pitch. This means how big each pixel is in the screen. The smaller that number, the better. Some examples:
>15.6" >1920x1080 >Dot Pitch: 0.1799mm
Now my monitor:
>24" >1920x1200 >Dot Pitch: 0.2692mm
That is a massive jump in pixel pitch. In order to break even with this shitty little laptop screen, my 24" monitor must be at LEAST 2880x1620.
Ideally we'd enter 4k at 27" or lower for maximum clarity improvement.
>27" >3840x2160 >Dot Pitch: 0.1557mm
This is what it takes to get a slight improvement over a shitty laptop with 1080p.
Nicholas Rivera
It does when cropped, autist
Christian Rivera
Oh yeah forgot to mention. Console cucks proud of their 65" or larger flat screen TVs are just fucking themselves on picture clarity.
>65" >1920x1080 >Dot Pitch: 0.7495mm
Holy fuck 0.75mm. Compare this to any monitor sub 24" and the difference in clarity is absolutely massive. This is probably why consoles are pushing the 4k meme while PC gamers can sit comfortably at 1440p or lower and still have better picture quality.
>65" >3840x2160 >Dot Pitch: 0.3747mm
Even at 4k this fucking TV would STILL look awful compared to a 1280x1024 15" CRT from the 90s. Fucking massive screens was a mistake.
Michael Rivera
>massive screens was a mistake
Get your clarity, I'll keep my 50" screen. You clearly don't know what is to play on a huge screen or else you wouldn't complain that much.
Carson Lopez
>Hey bro come check out my MASSIVE screen its lit bro >Come play from over here on my couch 12 feet away >Hope you brought your glasses
Matthew Morris
You do realize you're not sitting directly in front of those 65" screens, right? Fucking moron.
Mason Morgan
>>Hope you brought your glasses You're not sitting 12 feet away from a 23" PC monitor you fucking autist.
Mason Watson
I play from 1m away, the only thing I'm noticing as opposed to my monitor is increased jaggies, which means instead of 4x aa I use 8x aa.
Also porn on this thing looks outworldly.
Camden Ross
Only becausse it has a better (if you're praising it) or worse (if you're complaining) upscaled than your previous TV. Not all TVs are created equal.
Elijah Gonzalez
>Console cucks I use PC and love gaming on my projector. 120 inches w/ surround sound is mind blowing.
Quit pretending big screens are a console-only thing.
Juan Morris
This, when my huge tv is gone I want to get a projector.
Eli Mitchell
My only fear is that the image quality is going to look worse than my old TV.
Elijah Gomez
Resolution is cool, but it's pretty far down the things that matter to an image when it comes to looking good.
For video games that would be
1. frame rate/smoothness (power gap) 2. contrast 3. color 4. response time 5. size of display 6. resolution
I've played games in 120hz on a 21" Trinitron PC monitor in 1600x1200 at 100hz and the results were simply spectacular. 800x600@200hz is also pretty crazy.
Matthew Gonzalez
>120hz on a 21" Trinitron PC monitor in 1600x1200 at 100hz forgot to delete this part of the 120hz. I could do that but only at 1024x768.
Juan Williams
Right looks like a game that was rendered at 4K and then downsampled to 1080p, which is not the same thing as 1080p native rendering
Evan Morris
Congrats OP, you figured it out. 4k has almost no difference compared to 1080p when looking at even a 24 inch monitor. It's much better for TVs.
1080p144hz > 2160p60hz
Luke Kelly
Playing old games and watching old TV on my tiny CRT makes my dick rock hard.
Joshua Russell
>There are people on Sup Forums who haven't experienced Horizon in 4k HDR on a premium 65 inch OLED TV. Pretty sad desu
James Brown
>22 inch >4K You fucked up big time user.
Adam Bailey
>Horizon in 4k And neither have you.
Charles Perez
why is industry trying to skip 1440p
Jose Allen
because sony's marketing knows that dumbasses like bigger numbers, and so can use their console to sell their 4K and HDR TVs that no one would otherwise have a reason to buy.
Isaiah Morgan
>why is the industry trying to skip a res slightly better than 1080, slightly worse than 4K
Tyler Thomas
4K is a pipe dream 1440p is a more realistic goal
Landon Wood
because TVs are for the masses and it makes more sense to push for something standardized, which is easier to do in big leaps than multiple smaller ones consider that TV stations and bluray producers have to modify their content as well
Isaiah Watson
4k 60fps is already doable and video cards are going to continue growing more powerful for years to come. How can you possibly call it a pipe dream?
Eli Barnes
I really don't understand why people always blow up a lower res picture and compare it to the one they want to at it's native to compare. Why not just compare native to native? What is gained by blowing up a picture to resolution it never displays at?
Michael Russell
Yeah if you just play League of Legends all day Also who let the PC dolt in here anyway?
William Campbell
>upscale 320 pic to 4k >then put native 4k screenshot to the side >suddenly 4k looks great
My 1080p tv looks as crisp as your 4k screenshot, what a mistery.
Isaac Gomez
Consoles are just standardized pcs that are a few years behind. If this generation of consoles can't really do 4k, the next surely will. Still not a pipe dream. Why the fuck is Sup Forums contrarian about objective stuff like technical specs?
Brandon White
I can run every game I own maxed out at 4K 60fps. It's not a pipe dream anymore, just more expensive than 1080/1440 right now.
Jackson Reyes
What gfx card?
Camden Reed
resolution for animations or films is different than video games because of aliasing issues.
aliasing is ugly as hell, blurriness isn't a big deal.
Lucas Ramirez
It's a very good way to highlight the difference in dpi you would get if you had the two screens of the same physical dimensions but a difference in resolution.
Ryan Rogers
>all that blur >no anisotropic filtering what's the point?
Daniel Long
No it isn't. It's a deceitful way to do it.
Benjamin Scott
It's 720p vs 1080p why are you pretending it isn't a notable difference?
Owen Moore
It's upscaled vs non upscaled.
Jace Clark
It's the best way to emulate the difference in the size of pixels without using actual physical monitors, which doesn't exactly work online.
Explain how exactly it is deceitful in your opinion and what would be a better way.
Jayden Hill
>no anisotropic filtering It's actually set to 16, Arma 3 just doesn't like to load anything more than 20 feet away on some maps.
Aaron Lee
Yes thanks for saying the obvious you retard. Resize the image yourself and show us downsampled vs native. Nothing changes.
Oliver Bennett
Don't upscale, simple.
Andrew Sullivan
Everything changes, now the two natives mirror each other in detail and the higher res image is just a bigger size image.
Luis Gray
But it's a very dishonest way of doing it, when you compare say a 24" 1080p screen with a 24" 4k screen, that is not how it will compare, you will be looking at two images the exact same size, with a different definition. The difference will be nowhere near that vast as those images imply, especially depending on how far your monitor is from your face the farther out even less so.
Nicholas Rivera
I see, you're just mentally retarded.
Tyler Thomas
I'm sure it is not dishonest and my 1080p monitor is capable of telling me how blurry my 1080p images are while being able to fully display 4k in all its glory, retard.
Logan Smith
Then you can't get the same 1:1 physical size for the comparison. And FYI when you scale to nearest neighbour and use resolutions that have the correct ratio there is no distortion whatsoever. No deceit or distortion of any type going on.
That image was created to make a point about higher resolutions only being useful to reduce aliasing, obviously it is not 1080p vs 4k but the point should still be clear, and the image shows EXACTLY the way they would compare in real life.
Jaxson Jenkins
if you only care about pixel density, start playing on smart phones
Brayden Clark
>hen you can't get the same 1:1 physical size But you get the difference in details and see if you are truly interested in the tech or not.