Now that the dust has safely settled, what went so fucking wrong?

Now that the dust has safely settled, what went so fucking wrong?

everything

It made the series casual.

Not much. My favourite 3ds Pokemon games. Not saying much though

mega evolutions
gen 1 pandering
too fucking easy
story was bad
companions were generally useless and literally all of them could be removed with no impact on the story

why did they stop making a 3rd best version?
I waited for platinum, but i guess there was black and white, but not grey or whatever. no z, no whatever a sun and moon one would be.
where they go?

>Genwunner pandering turned up to 11
>Game balanced around Exp Share
>So focused on MUH GRAFIX that they didn't focus on making the gameplay better
>shit framerate that manages to get worse in Horde battles

it doomed the series with casualization forever
shit framerate in battles

Why would you want to sell just one new game when you could sell two new games which are basically the same fucking thing? Easiest money you could ever make

Ultra sun and moon is 3rd version

>I know it seemed sparce but thats just because they had to make new models for every pokemon! The next ones will be jampacked user you'll see!

They put way too much time into 3D overworld and models that they neglected literally everything else. They should have stayed with GenV's graphics.

Why does this look 500 times more comfy than anything the ugly 3DS has produced for Pokemon?

Because you like the 2D style more probably.

It's actually pretty good in hindsight. Hell I prefer XY over SM and ORAS.

>bought both X and Y
buyer's remorse is strong within me
what the fuck was my problem

Why over ORAS? I get that it was lesser than Emerald but it had considerably more to it than XY.
I liked SM only for the new Pokemon (leagues better than 75% of the previous gen), the rest was meh even compared to BW1.

Too many """rivals"""

I've got X lying around somewhere. Got to the caves with the Mawiles, couldn't catch a female for ages and eventually moved on to other shit.

Are Sun and Moon any good?

Too easy. Pacing was too quick after the 3rd gym I believe (you had gym battles basically back to back). Story and villains were shit for even a Pokemon game. Only 70 new Pokemon (give or take a few). Still enjoyed gen 6 but it wasn't great.

The Pokemon themselves are great but the games are take it or leave it. They're even more story focused than BW and pretty on the rails with where to go, even for Pokemon. While this means Sup Forums hates it, it can appeal to others, depending on what you liked previously.

does anyone play pokemon for the singleplayer campaign
like, really

They're about the same in quality as far as the single player goes, maybe a little worse.

>mega evolutions
I liked some of the designs
>gen 1 pandering
not a bad thing imo
>too fucking easy
agreed, exp share was a mistake
>story was bad
pretty much on par with others in the series
>companions were generally useless and literally all of them could be removed with no impact on the story
agreed, i miss having a rival

Literally the only reason I play Pokemon. I can't be arsed spending like 100 hours building an online team.
Might be more story focussed but it's lacking a proper villain.

Comically easy, even for a Pokemon game. Also the designs were shit, but nothing new there. Series should have ended with gen 2.

There's no gyms and stuff... its okay if you like playing dress up though. Thats what they seem to be talking about /vp/, not the actual pokemon but the ability to dress your characters up. I'm sure its great.

It's probably the most cinematic Pokemon to date, but the gameplay is on point

No one mentioned gift Pokemon? I mean it's optional but so is the exp share and everyone whines about that.
>free mega lucario
>free second starter
>free lapras
All in the beginning half of the game. Then continued into ORAS with a free mega LATI@s?

I do, I get a new game, train up a team full of eevees ASAP, win the league, do all the post game shit then never play again until the next game comes out

sorry

No.

What else if not for that? If you want competitive just go to showdown.

I play it for the Pokemon designs.

because the color palette for the 3DS games is washed out

game in general was hilariously easy
has the worst team/villains in the series and a really bad story
while you don't have to use it they hand you a lucario that you can sweep the whole game with
exp share is way too effective, i'd rather have the old exp share back
not a lot of new pokemon and it's boring using the same old pokemon for the 5th time
mega evolution doesn't really add much to the game and seems like a pointless gimmick


the only things that stood out to me in a positive light were the great looking 3D models for the pokemon and the super training minigame that you can use to grind out EVs really easily

Yes, I honestly play it to go through the story and then usually I've collected most of the pokemon. After that its the extra content, rare pokemon and then online. I haven't gotten any of the new games yet though I stopped at BW2.

3d killed pokemon for me.

On a similar note: I started my first Sun playthrough today and holy fucking smokes does this game suck, I can't walk three steps without being assaulted by cutscenes and endless walls of text. They'll end a cutscene, give me control again and then take it away two seconds later to give me more fucking exposition. And you'd think that with all the focus in it the story and writing would be good but it's the same condescending trite that all games have, just this time they cranked the intrusiveness to 11. This feels like a Pokémon themed visual novel Jesus fuck.

I'll just go back to playing gen 4 and downwards, to hell with this shit.

The new 3D engine in the overworld meant all routes were super simple walkways.
None of the old explorations of routes were present. This also went on to completely ruin the ocean areas in ORAS.

I'm hoping nintendon gets the message from all the angry nip fans that they need to go back to generation 4-5 style gameplay instead of this very extreme on rails/handholding shit.

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Off the top of my head
>Rag tag band of nerds constantly following you and never shutting up. I don't mind Serena and the guy because they get a side-character complex after getting their ass wiped, but the other 3 needed to leave.
>Extreme levels of nostalgia pandering. You're given a second starter from Kanto, on top of a mega stone for it. Reminder that Santalune Forest is an almost exact copy of Viridian Forest.
>Laughably easy even for pokemon.
>Harsh and crude transition to 3D. Everything looks ugly from the battles to overworld.
>Felt unpolished in general with shit like the power outage with the lights on and people still moving past the guard.
>absolutely no post game to speak of other than breading simulator 2k13
>evil team makes no sense. Wasn't the fire type E4 supposed to be one of them but that gets thrown away in a one liner?

There was backlash in Japan? That's relieving in a way, though I'll doubt it'll change anything. I wish they'd use the upcoming Switch games to do a complete overhaul of the series, maybe even a reboot and just get rid of all the fat.

>When you somehow manage to be even dumber than Team Aqua and Magma.

I liked it a lot, and don't understand the issue.

Pokémon had NEVER been challenging, so I have no idea why people use that as an argument for X/Y.

Pretty sure 99% of people's issue with the game was 3D and framerate issues.

No there wasn't. Gen 5 is the most hated gen there

I liked it and started and finished it more than once, it was easy to get into and a fun casual experience

I finished SM and will never pick it up again, that game sucked

Gen 5 was only bad in the new pokemon designs.
The story portion of the game was the best pokemon ever had

better fights
PSS isn't shoved to the corner
better pokemon distribution
no Battle Chateau or Friend Safari
cutscene crap (less terrible than SM)

Worst villain team. Gay ripoff of Team Magma
Gen 1 Reloaded
Chibi garbage
Choppy framerate
The way the story unfolds is laughable

It had a lot of good stuff though.

I'm not disagreeing but it's most hated gen there.

i was so excited for this game that i literally sucked a dick for it because i was poor but wanted to play the new pokemon game. not worth it

Every trainer has 1 pokemon
Giving you legendaries instead of having to capture then
Railroads every 2 feet

no Lysandre's plan is sound as far as twisted villains go, it's just that the game didn't really develop him

>rip off

nani

Lysandre literally wants to end the world, no shit about pretending to do good things

You can't just leave it at it, user. Elaborate.

Going to low tier 3d models from sprites was a mistake, also too much forced story

I appreciate them now more than ever after SM. At least XY had an excuse being the way it was with bringing the series into 3D and trying to reintroduce the series to people on a new platform. SM was railroaded garbage that somehow still runs like shit.

shit lagged hard as fuck because gamefreak built models that would last beyond the 3DS, should've kept whatever they were doing with b&w, that shit was aesthetic

>Worst villain team. Gay ripoff of Team Magma

I actually really like Team Flare, but only because I like to think that all the generic mooks think the whole motivation is about fashion and looking slick, and are completely oblivious to the fact that the main antagonist wants to literally destroy the world.

This bullshit right here. You stumble onto a mansion and are railroaded into finding a lost dog and further railroaded into watching fireworks with an NPC who won't leave you alone and won't stop talking about how much she wants to be friends with you.
The mansion could have had literally any other purpose and turned out for the better.

What were the point of these, they were all optional
>Pokemon could only participate if their in-game model flies - flying types with standing animations are barred
Also dumb as shit

Megas.

that is the idea of his motivation

Lysandre hates everyone because they "corrupt" the world, and so he exploits people to fulfill his goal

Only reason to play cart. If I wanted to actually play competitive without the breeding bullshit I'd go on showdown.

It wasn't his plan so much as it was "The world's fucked because people are shit, so I'm going to surround myself with the shittiest of shitty people and make them the "chosen" people who will survive the armageddon I'm about to pull off. Surely, this will make a better world."

I like X/Y
I replay it every so often.

I have absolutely no way to really back up why I think it's good, I just like it.

I think Soul Silver is arguably the best out of the series though

>Hours between first and second badge
>"Holy shit, is the game seriously going to be this long?"
>Proceeds to spit the rest of them at you like watermelon seeds

I doubt he cares for the flare grunts

they should have made the Flare gals more development, like they lust for his dick or something

I had more fun with X than any other game in the series.

>Dull region
>Dull soundtrack
>Shit """friends"""
>One of the worst evil teams ever to grace a pokemon game
>Shit starters (Greninja was good until the Ashnime ruined it)
>Lowest amount of new pokemon in a generation
>Genwun pandering when it wasn't needed at all. Even SM, which were the 20th anniversary games, had less genwun pandering than XY
>Every game since has had no post-game
>No third version, guessing it was too much for GameFreak to redeem these shit games

Does anyone else feel like this game just suddenly stopped all development at around 70 percent? It just feels like so much stuff was dropped mid implementation.

It's bizarre, honestly. Like Gamefreak suddenly had a budget cut or somewhere along the line they figured out the couldn't be as big as their original vision could be.

go back to /vp/

it frankly does

feels like they have an intended third version but somehow allocated to someplace else

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Hate to break it to you, but if you play Pokemon multiplayer you are definitely in the minority, no way around it. Competitive Pokemon may be one of the most autistic things to engage with in video games. Most people cringe at the idea, and for good reason. You people are laughed at as much as people who play comp smash - no one thinks your skill is real because it isn't, sadly.

I don't play comp pokemon, but that doesn't make the singleplayer any less weak

I personally prefer 3d. It lets them have more possibilities and it looks better imo.

What the fuck else is there to do in Pokemon besides play single player or play comp? Trade?

just ignoring it and not playing games you know are going to be bad

And? Gamefreak makes Pokemon specially for competive use with their abilities and new moves. Couldn't care less if you think it's bad. It's not even comparable to smash btw

Enjoy your shitty sp. Pokemon will still sell 15-16 million every first set. While catering to us competitve players

Atleast tpc funds pokemom tournaments.

Smash fags begging for Nintendo support always

>mega evos fuck up the quality of pokemon battles harder than anything ever before
lmao, yeah they really cater to you and not little jimmy at grade school

>Couldn't care less if you think it's bad

you care enough to respond. Most people ignore the comp focused shit and for good reason - gamefreak focuses on you because you sell the brand for them. I would too if I was part of Gamefreak, I would love you guys, you paid for my house.

Just wait for switch games. They cater to us even more. In Japan. Local and competitve is the biggest games

That's why Pokemon and splatoon are monsters in japan and why zelda and metroid are irrlevelnt there

>first pokemon game to brick outside of glitching

>mega evos fuck up the quality of pokemon battles harder than anything ever before

nigga megas are barely relevant outside of a few ones

why the fuck is there a picture of lusamine farting when you google image search her?

>searching on google while still signed into an account

I dunno dude
I remember a long time ago, a first row result for 'ivysaur' was some rubber skinsuit transformation porn

when I once searched baby huey one of the first pics was him looking embarrassed while he shitted on his diapers, google shit's messed up

>Lusamine
>fuses with the UB
>fight starts
>throws out a pokeball
I have never been so disappointed.