Unobjective Legion Pro and Con list!

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

Unobjective Legion Pro and Con list!

PROS:
Demon Hunters finally
Steady 77 day content cycle
Artifact Power and AK system makes catch-up easy, and deincentivizes power grinding
Tons of cool new mounts
Suramar probably the best looking quest zone ever produced
New Shivarra/Succubus models :^)
Artifact Challenges the best solo skill test since Priest/Hunter Vanilla quests
Freedom of leveling path/dungeons through scaling tech
Most rep gates/story quests now account-wide/removed (as of 7.3)
PvP Presteige offers simple progression system with more unique rewards
Most questlines aside from Legionfall have been solid
3D armor elements expanded to gloves/pants/chests, armor in general more detailed
New micro Holidays are neat little touches

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcMzjPpQB-c
http://www.wowhead.com/item=97901/griftahs-authentic-troll-shoes
http://www.wowhead.com/item=153188/greater-blessed-bandage
http://www.wowhead.com/news=274367/raider-io-launches-mythic-plus-addon?webhook/raider-io-launches-mythic-plus-addon
http://www.wowhead.com/news=274436/four-playable-sub-races-in-next-wow-expansion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc
Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

2 of those are right, can you guess which?

Jace Evans
Jace Evans

well he did say unobjective.

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

Suramar is okay but the entirety of Northrend is better

Henry Edwards
Henry Edwards

Demon Hunters finally
Yes, I so love every fucking area in the game except low level ones being overrun with edgelords and their original donut steel character do not steel.
Steady 77 day content cycle
Fine.
Artifact Power and AK system makes catch-up easy, and deincentivizes power grinding
Problem is that unless you get max amounts every single week for the entire expansion, you will ALWAYS be behind in AP.
Tons of cool new mounts
Only faggots actually give a shit about collecting mounts and pets.
Suramar probably the best looking quest zone ever produced
Twilight Highlands says hello.
New Shivarra/Succubus models :^)
Only dumb thirsty virgin memesters care about sexy models.
Artifact Challenges the best solo skill test since Priest/Hunter Vanilla quests
The artifact challenges are COMPLETELY dependent on RNG. If you get a shit roll and the enemy decides to do their moves in an order that you can't counter (meaning all but one specific way which rarely ever happens), you die, period, end of story. The definition of artificial difficulty.
Freedom of leveling path/dungeons through scaling tech
Yeah because lacking a coherent storyline that ties the entire Broken Isles together is such a great thing, right? Fuck off.
Most rep gates/story quests now account-wide/removed (as of 7.3)
Too bad they didn't do this when it was needed, AKA the Suramar shit on launch.
PvP Presteige offers simple progression system with more unique rewards
Because copy pasting the prestige system from fag games like CoD is such a great idea, right? What a crock of shit. The best part is that, for some specs, you have to spend a shitload of time being a punching bag until your crucial pvp talent unlocks.
Most questlines aside from Legionfall have been solid
Nah. Only one or two really stood out, the rest were mostly filler.
3D armor elements expanded to gloves/pants/chests, armor in general more detailed
Fine.
New micro Holidays are neat little touches
Fine.

Landon White
Landon White

You just sound like some bitter contrarian whose angry that his priv server is lagging or down atm

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

CONS:
it's a game made by nu-blizzard

Gavin Fisher
Gavin Fisher

Belf peach Butts!

Lincoln Cruz
Lincoln Cruz

I don't play private servers. I got suckered into trying them a few times from people I knew. Never again.

P.S. Just because I shit on Legion does not mean that I like previous iterations of the game. Vanilla is fucking garbage, and TBC is only marginally better, but still shit. Mostly because of class balance.

David Barnes
David Barnes

Fuck off shill.

Christian Russell
Christian Russell

are you able to think and express yourself through ways other than regurgitated memes?

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

Borean tundra is awful
Grizzly hills besides the meme music everyone raves about is just travelling for 10 minutes to reach any new quest you get
Zul'drak is boring and buggy af
Icecrown is boring as fuck and worst quest hub
Storm peaks was had it's up and downs, no pun intended
Howling Fjord was pretty alright for it's time
Dragonblight was awful, but the wrathgate made up for it, nowadays, not at all fun
Sholazar is alright

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

Blood elf booty is the best reason to play the game.

Juan James
Juan James

Of all the fucking zones in the game you pick to contest as 'best looking' you pick the motherfucking twilight highlands? Jesus.

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

Why the fuck am I still playing this game

I think im gonna collect 300 mounts then fuck off until next expac because Heroic KJ still hits like a fucking truck cuz of the prot pally bullshit

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

CONS:
AK knowledge prior to 7.3 was manually done
Titanforging goes too high, blurring lines between tiers too much
Lore surrounding Sargeras retconned so we have another arbitrary big bad post-Legion
Class fantasy mutilated a lot of specs, some still in bad shape (Outlaw Rogue, All Hunter specs, etc)
Amount of on-demand made up lore for 36 unique artifact weapons too much, should have kept one artifact per class
Netherlight Crucible adds another layer of bad RNG, feels very disjointed compared to previous artifact progression
Sylvanas/Greymane storyline all but dropped after the leveling questline
Nightbourne presence post-Nighthold all but dropped, seems almost inconsequential
Emerald Nightmare was a horrid way to introduce Emerald Dream finally into WoW, even if it was the entry raid
Illidan's return had little/no interaction with major lore characters who should've been majorly impacted by his revival (Tyrande/Malfurion/Blood Elves)
Still no armor sets designed around character races despite heavy aesthetic flavor being present for all
Tier-bonuses plus Legendaries create "dead slots", making gear upgrades in those slots pointless even if high forged
Artifact power still split among each spec, makes pursuing off specs less optimal than focusing all on one
Argus landscape extremely clunky ifnit was designed for not ever being a fly zone as stated
Server xfers remain paid services despite all servers being pretty much linked together
MORE PROS:
Mythic+ system has been a great/acceptable way to recycle dungeons while making a true alternate path to high end gear for 5 man content.

Tyler Richardson
Tyler Richardson

I am getting more and more sad with WoW. I never really played to raid or pvp, I just played to explore the world and find neat details and shit. But the areas in Legion are so restrictive. I loved Argus because there was so much stuff to look for, but now that I found all the hidden chests and rare spawns, I can't help but feel I have nothing to do.

Brody Rogers
Brody Rogers

Go home neogaffer

Jose Foster
Jose Foster

I highly suggest that you go look at Twilight Highlands again. Shit is beautiful. Cata did a lot of dumb, shitty things, but its zones were not one of them.

Vashjir is good too.

Matthew Barnes
Matthew Barnes

You're right about Borean Tundra, but I enjoyed my time questing in the rest of Northrend the most out of any location in WoW

Xavier Roberts
Xavier Roberts

no

Jack Evans
Jack Evans

Every class has tier 21 sets that change the rotation

BM hunter tier 21 set just makes your two of your three buttons stronger and lowers the cooldown

Luke Fisher
Luke Fisher

Why are there so many recent shill threads for WoW?
Hey marketers, can you relay back to Blizz HQ to fix the faction imbalances? tyvm

Caleb Hall
Caleb Hall

tfw doing mythic KJ progression with a bunch of 4channers
This is hell, this is memes

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

hahahahahah hey prot pally do you like Fel Claw hahahhahhahhaha GET FUCKED LIGHTNIGGER

Wyatt Davis
Wyatt Davis

post gnomes and / or gobbos

Carter Torres
Carter Torres

I'm more than happy that they remove the fucking power some sets give in this new raid, so that dungeon gear can still be somewhat competitive

Benjamin Perry
Benjamin Perry

1 artifact per class
Just wouldn't have worked because of the existence of specs. Can you see a prot warrior tanking with the fury swords? Or a holy pally healing with Ashbringer? Or a hunter poking things with a bow?

Charles Rodriguez
Charles Rodriguez

Just reroll already Fiskie

Jaxon Thompson
Jaxon Thompson

PLEASE post more

Chase Sanders
Chase Sanders

doing tomb of soakgeras in Mythic

not worth my time, I hope Antorus has more creative design than soaking shit

Brody Wilson
Brody Wilson

Sauce me up daddy

Isaac Jackson
Isaac Jackson

You're saying it's hard to soak?

Jason Edwards
Jason Edwards

It's not like there is anything better to do anyway

Levi Flores
Levi Flores

Argus seems to have little soak and more Interrupt timing with the adds, IIRC the adds have two interruptable attacks but interrupting one makes the other uninterruptable so you have to pick wisely

Connor Phillips
Connor Phillips

Warrior artifact could have been an arsenal of Vrykul fabled weapons or sime such. Holy paladins already heal with 2 handers so yes I could see the Ashbringer being used to heal. Hunters never should have been melee. We didnt need another melee spec.

Owen Smith
Owen Smith

Holy fuck this

Benjamin Rodriguez
Benjamin Rodriguez

everything I dont like is a shill thread

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

I'm saying it's boring that the mythic encounters add soak on top of soak

Jaxson Morris
Jaxson Morris

cons
REMOVED ALL MY FUCKING BUTTONS
completely gutted survival hunters
reduced BM to a 2 button spec

Bentley Johnson
Bentley Johnson

Wow fighting the legion again after Classic, TBC, and WoD, wow. Great game wow.

Fucking Blizzard is the worst when it comes to re-hashing content for games they're trying to forget about but there's still those 1.5mil retards who won't let it die.

Jackson Flores
Jackson Flores

Yeah it's boring, but gotta get that curve to show off on Sup Forums

Wyatt Scott
Wyatt Scott

Artifact challenges aren't dependent on RNG, you're just pulling stuff out of your ass at this point.

Jacob Powell
Jacob Powell

no thicc goblin gf

why even live

Michael Powell
Michael Powell

user, you are Completely Wrong!

The BM Hunter is a three button spec, Marksmanship is a 7 button rotation you macro

Easton Russell
Easton Russell

I think I addressed this user.

William Scott
William Scott

No, fuck you. I'm still upset about Survival. It was my absolute favorite spec since Cata.

Brody Gomez
Brody Gomez

Fire mage got a lot of crits in vanilla yeah?

Yeah it was fucking cool mate

Yeah haha how about we make criticals a part of the rotation, duuuuude

Holy shit man Yeaaaaaaaah lets do ittt

and on that day fire became useless and frost became king

Nathan Mitchell
Nathan Mitchell

Highmountain is were I want to live out the rest of my days

Tyler Bailey
Tyler Bailey

The irony is Fire was king and Frost was shit until 7.1, meanwhile Arcane has been a huge Meh all expac.

Not sure if that's better or worse.

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

best thing about it is the porn

Angel Mitchell
Angel Mitchell

Frost
Good

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

isnt that a man

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

DPS charts say so, friend, Fire and Arcane dont even come close

Josiah Rogers
Josiah Rogers

I play BM hunter and I feel trapped to my character/class because I did all the quests (story, suramar, argus) and it takes you back so much if you want to switch mains. How can they fuck up hunter so much? I just want my stealth back man

Angel Gomez
Angel Gomez

CONS:
Demon Hunters finally
Steady 77 day content cycle
Artifact Power and AK system makes catch-up easy, and deincentivizes power grinding
Tons of cool new mounts
Suramar probably the best looking quest zone ever produced
New Shivarra/Succubus models :^)
Artifact Challenges the best solo skill test since Priest/Hunter Vanilla quests
Freedom of leveling path/dungeons through scaling tech
Most rep gates/story quests now account-wide/removed (as of 7.3)
PvP Presteige offers simple progression system with more unique rewards
Most questlines aside from Legionfall have been solid
3D armor elements expanded to gloves/pants/chests, armor in general more detailed
New micro Holidays are neat little touches

Bentley Sanders
Bentley Sanders

hey remember when shamans didn't have any totems

no

lets make that a thing

Jaxson Edwards
Jaxson Edwards

you will never offtank with a taunt totem in low level dungeons again

at least resto and Ele are fun

Angel Price
Angel Price

DPS charts say Fire is best on actual bosses where dps matters and not Freeloot bosses like Goroth and Sisters

Colton Gray
Colton Gray

Yes a man is fucking that elf user, what's the problem?

Brody Adams
Brody Adams

Game is shit. I'm full Heroic raid geared but because I don't have BiS Legendaries I'm being declined from raids and LFR shitters are beating me in dps and guilds are telling me that I must have a fully unlocked crucible or I can't raid with them.

Isaac Carter
Isaac Carter

I don't think Shaman totems should ever have been a thing. They're awkward as fuck really. They should have been auras.

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

Game is shit, people invested more time into it than me

Joshua Adams
Joshua Adams

CONS:
It isn't muh Vanilla

Robert Diaz
Robert Diaz

I MEMBER

Landon Butler
Landon Butler

Beast Mastery should have been morphed to be the first Ranged tank spec, focused on pet management as tanks.

Survival should have been a more trap focused take on the traditional Hunter/Bow/Pet formula.

Rogue Assassination should have been morphed into another ranged spec, focusing on poisioned/explosive arrows, or throwing knives/stars/kunai/explosive tags, and/or grenades.

Tell me what we got was better, I dare you.

Colton Powell
Colton Powell

they pretty much fixed totems in wrath by giving you a button to plop 1-4 of them down at the same time while also increasing the radius to 30 or 40 yards (more with talents? i forget)
yeah you weren't the most mobile but at least it was unique, it feels shit that all totems are cooldowns that are only up for a few seconds then they're gone
i'd be kind of okay with them as auras, like you put totems on your back like some tauren do

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

Beast Mastery should have been morphed to be the first Ranged tank spec, focused on pet management as tanks.

Nah BM should have been a melee summoner spec. Too bad the engine doesn't really allow control of multiple units. Oh wait, it's the WC3 engine. Fuck you Blizzard

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

Beast Mastery should have been morphed to be the first Ranged tank spec, focused on pet management as tanks.
Awful idea, terrible
Assasination Ranged
No

Thank god you don't work at Blizzard

Easton Murphy
Easton Murphy

Legion class design could have actually been worse

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

ret pally has 3 of the BiS legendaries and getting more and more drops
DK isn't getting anything
rogue isn't getting anything
Does Blizz just really want me to play my Pally?

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

i'd be kind of okay with them as auras, like you put totems on your back like some tauren do
Exactly. I'd keep the old totem idea as a handful of "wards" like from WC3. Healing ward, stasis ward etc.

Ian Perry
Ian Perry

They make Rexxar/Misha a ranged tank in HotS, it could work.

As for Assassination, I think it's pointless to make a second dagger spec, especially one focused on bleeds and poison and making a huge mess, basically the opposite of what you do when you try to assassinate someone.

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

but the elf is male

James Ross
James Ross

speaking of which, how come they've never added totems/hunk of tree as weapons like the tauren unit in WC3? that was cool as fuck, especially if they made it race specific or something to give people an actual reason to play tauren

Connor Murphy
Connor Murphy

here's my 2 cents as someone whose played wow for 13 years now. The game is pretty boring but that's not a bad thing

Kayden Butler
Kayden Butler

The point of bleeds and poisons is that no matter how strong the target is, and not being able to kill them in oneshot, they will die to the poisons and heavy bleeding, no matter the outcome

Kevin Carter
Kevin Carter

how come they've never added totems/hunk of tree as weapons like the tauren unit in WC3?

Because they're stupid. There's a lot of iconic stuff from WC3 that is strangely left out of WoW. Like where is the Tree of Life building? It's the NE town hall but it's nowhere to be found.

Nathan Powell
Nathan Powell

Maybe it's a gril and she's just flat
I'm pretty sure they do have a model for one, if I remember right Cairne used it

Charles Watson
Charles Watson

Assasination spec could be a Secret agent type deal, With lots more utility than the other 2 specs involving tools and shit

Outlaw is fine, thematically, Roll the bones is pretty bullshit tho

Subtlety needs to die in a fire

Samuel Gutierrez
Samuel Gutierrez

Enhancement could have gotten a totem and brought back the 2h Enh dream for an expansion as their artifact weapon
Nah Doomhammer is an enh weapon now

James Gray
James Gray

maybe it's a gril with a feminine penis

Adrian Stewart
Adrian Stewart

hating on doomhammer
party foul

Jeremiah Cooper
Jeremiah Cooper

If Doomhammer is an Enhance weapon then how the fuck did thrall Kill Deathwing from a million miles away

Camden Russell
Camden Russell

Doomhammer should have been the elemental artifact, if they were going to pull a weapon out of their ass for one of the spec they should have made it something awesome like the Demo Skull by making some Totem of Smashing People's Fucking Faces In with Windfury Procs.

They even had highmountain to give off a shaman tauren totem out of their ass.

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

wasn't thrall a shaman hero in WC3 wielding doomhammer? makes sense it would be elemental
i might be remembering it wrong tho
they also have the added issue of tacking on an off-hand, and i couldn't give less of a fuck about the lore of transparent-glowing-elemental hammer but they can't just have the doomhammer and nothing else so...

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

What booty?

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

Blizz makes survival melee hunters
the rexxar dream a reality
their artifact is a fucking shitty literal who polearm

William Davis
William Davis

He didn't use Doomhammer for that. The Doomhammer wasn't even used by a shaman to start with. As for Thrall, he's a story npc and doesn't have to cohere to a strict enh/ele split. He can use hammer as a catalyst, but that doesn't make its main purpose not smashin niggas.

WC3 shaman used claws and were basically elemental shaman.

Carter Foster
Carter Foster

Pro: more Tauren

William Green
William Green

And before him it was wielded by a line of warriors. Thrall used it in essentially the same way that enh shamans use it.

they also have the added issue of tacking on an off-hand
That's just the nature of the game demanding every hand be filled.

Wyatt Robinson
Wyatt Robinson

Thrall cast all his spells through Doomhammer though

Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

What's so bad about it?

Ayden Cruz
Ayden Cruz

He can use hammer as a catalyst, but that doesn't make its main purpose not smashin niggas.

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

rewatch this
all that hype for broken as fuck sub stealth, shadow priest revamp etc
you feel it too, don't you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcMzjPpQB-c

Joshua Martinez
Joshua Martinez

Yeah but it's an artifact weapon because it was Thralls.

Cameron Scott
Cameron Scott

Having to rely on 19 other people to do what their supposed to do

Dylan Gray
Dylan Gray

He doesnt like Voidform

My god man what have they done to you

Andrew James
Andrew James

This post

Ion get the fuck out of here. And stop playing WoW with your tablet and shit, you're embarrassing everyone else around you.

Jason Myers
Jason Myers

It's fucking lore destroying trash. Why is my Draenei soul priest who uses the shadow to guide the dead into a peaceful afterlife suddenly a cackling tentacled cultist?

Camden Butler
Camden Butler

for class fantasy user, please enjoy. :^)
locks forever fucked because the nu-dev team have more of a stake in DHs

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

That's just the nature of the game demanding every hand be filled.
right so why not give enh a two-hander instead?

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

How is that mage tower challenge going user?

Matthew Gutierrez
Matthew Gutierrez

IT'S TOO RNG!

Dominic Watson
Dominic Watson

12/36 so far, all tanks done first. think I'll leave healing last with specs I've never touched like boomkin

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

Unless you're outlaw rogue don't fucking talk about rng.

Good shit. I would do all of them if it wasnt because of the leggos.

Anthony Rodriguez
Anthony Rodriguez

I don't even understand what the warlock class fantasy is supposed to be. Who the fuck enjoys playing a warlock right now, aside from one or two playing affliction? It went from one of my favorite classes to my most hated and I can't stand to play him for more than 5 or 10 minutes at a time.

Kayden Wright
Kayden Wright

That'll be my subject for the next few days. Too good to pass on.

Evan Kelly
Evan Kelly

I limped through my alt Ret challenge with one legendary, no tier and no drums at shit ilvl.

I then did the same challenge for Arcane and it was way harder.

Most difficult I have completed was Outlaw Rogue (fuck that RNG shit) and I'm still trying to not get fucked by the Prot Pally one.

Jaxon Scott
Jaxon Scott

The assassination rogue/ret pala/arcane mage is by far the easiest of the challenges, a rogue with 870 was able to finish it. Is funny because the outlaw rogue is also one of the easy challenges for everyone but rogue, I guess that is because the other classes are not 100% rng classes.

Brandon Parker
Brandon Parker

warrior get only swords
the most fucking iconic weapon beside frostmourne is Gorehowl since war3 then came the ashbringer
"lmao, human sword right? also more faceless stuff"
fury spec
two almost ornate swords (again) made by literally whos from a literally who race, also they're symmetrical, fit the idea of the crazed berzerker (or a blender mirror)
literally forgot surfang
removed the fucking bleeding
good god, I don't want to be a magicless paladin

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

I did the Frost mage, Marks Hunter and Aff Warlock. I can thwart those fuckin twins.

The key to Outlaw Rogue one is Sylvan Elixer (+10% stats) + Lightsblood Elixer (frequent damage proc vs. Demons), both of which can be used in the encounter last I checked. Thank me later.

Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

I just started playing again this week after leaving shortly after the kara patch. Artifact research has been removed since "all the orders are now sharing research".

You get 700 million artifact power from winning a bg, I have every artifact trait for every weapon on 3 characters and it took an evening

Thomas Edwards
Thomas Edwards

because the more you used the shadow, the more corrupt you became?

Sorry that your RP wasnt taken into consideration
Fray Island will never be a class hall

Eli Cox
Eli Cox

I was able to do the rogue one with 899 ilvl pre buff but I didn't use any of those pots so it was way too fucking hard, wiped at least 150 times.

Luke Ross
Luke Ross

Wanting Fray Island over literal Valhalla

Rogue get sewer instead of Ravenholdt
Fuck you, Warrior.

Austin Morales
Austin Morales

Wanting Fray Island over literal Valhalla
Not him but if you actually like this memehalla shit you should kill yourself.

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

Personally, Id replace Valhalla with fray island and Dalaran sewers with THE DEADMINES

every other class got it right, mostly, Lights Hope Chapel was perfect for Paladins

Parker Lee
Parker Lee

I personally hate the titan/titanforged aesthetic and the small size makes WoW Valhalla really boring and pathetic. I'd rather take a private island where warriors fight, bet and drink. Maybe outlaw rogues could have a small corner or something where they handle the bets or can duel warriors. I don't know, just something else.

Andrew Anderson
Andrew Anderson

Wanting Fray Island over literal Valhalla
could have been good if it wasn't an asspull, not to mention it doesn't scream "warrior", it's too clean, where are the racks of weapons, the dudes sparring all the time? in the wow universe warriors are still a thing because they never stop training.
ravenholdt
I'm still mad

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

not smashing faces at Odyn's beck and call without giving a flying fuck about plebbitors saying how Odyn is a dick

Jaxson Howard
Jaxson Howard

Ret Pally main here. I like Light's Hope, but I get triggered that our UNDERGROUND chapel has a giant stained glass window with light pouring down. Looks nice but where the hell would that be coming from?

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

2h enhance wouldn't work now because the current iteration of windfury is garbage.

Also, i had a love/hate relationship with totems, fuck searing fire totem, hit like a noodle but might as well drop it because loldps, hope you enjoy totem twisting all throughout bc because you're there to come in 6th place and boost the dps of the rogues

Chase Diaz
Chase Diaz

Rogues get a teleport scroll to Ravenholdt from one of their order hall vendors

Blizz really knows how to salt the wound

Adrian Parker
Adrian Parker

tos was a such a shit raid and the rng is too much now
antorus doesn't look like it's going to make things any better

Nathaniel Davis
Nathaniel Davis

Reminder:
We got a Legion expansion without a Klaxxi 2.0 Dreadlord Council fight before KJ or something

Christian Harris
Christian Harris

CONS:
PVP is a fucking mess, healers are harder to kill now than ever before
Gear power creep is out of control with the RNG stat upgrade system
Legendary system is unreliable and awful for endgame raiding
Classes like Rogue and Warlock are fucking awful due to "muh class fantasy"
In-game economy is out of control
Mythic raiding is broken, to the point where mythic raiding guilds are disbanding
Russel Brower got canned, no good music from hereon out
Cosmetic gear sets added for transmog with PVP sets and the Odyn raid gear transmog is obtainable through a quest but other raid gear is not

Ethan Johnson
Ethan Johnson

dreadlord council
aren't these fuckers always trying to plot to kill all of the others? why would they fight together?

John Barnes
John Barnes

It's probably just an elaborate Gnomish light fixture made to look like a window. Checkmate religion

Blake Thomas
Blake Thomas

because the more you used the shadow, the more corrupt you became?
can freely switch specs at any time

Henry Green
Henry Green

aren't these fuckers always trying to plot to kill all of the others?

No, they're all in league with one another. It is the worst crime for them to kill one another.

Christopher Clark
Christopher Clark

ah good point

Lincoln Campbell
Lincoln Campbell

They are the italian mafia?

Isaac Walker
Isaac Walker

Killing another human is one of the worst crimes to do irl as well, doesn't stop people from doing it

Liam Peterson
Liam Peterson

Shivarran Coven instead of Dreadlord Council is torturing Varimathras for killing a Dreadlord
Even missing out on having the scaling dynamic of Tichondrius who was a raid boss now being one of several you face off against in the fight

How can they fuck that up so badly, they could have just made Shivarran twins or some shit if they wanted to throw them in. Or they could have made them the Antoran high command

Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross

What mage tower challenge? I can't even finish the artefact quests that you do through the tower

Jace Wilson
Jace Wilson

I was reminded of the potential the moment Mephistroth was reskinned to have blue wings like his CPU color in the WC3 campaigns. Alongside the cold hard truth they've used Dreadlords as fodder this expansion

Jacob Taylor
Jacob Taylor

All warlock challenges, both DH challenges, Disc Priest and Frost DK done so far.

I honestly just keep forgetting to do them when the tower comes up, I intend on doing all of them, possible holy paladin next.

William Parker
William Parker

Bm is press 1 to win
MM is press 1to 4 to win
Surv is the only spec that needs actual management and it is fun to play despite not doing big bursty numbers

Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

Literally Stuck In Combat: The Expansion

Cameron Russell
Cameron Russell

Release combat ally followers that keep you in conbat all the time with everything
Release Legionfall 7.2 follower that can be toggled on/off
Don't retroactively add this to the other combat allies

Fuck you to hell Blizz.

Jackson Ward
Jackson Ward

Is Retri still gutted?
I've had little inclination to play after they removed every single mildly interesting ability and mechanic in favor of a yellow-flavored Fury with a rotation consisting of "hit hard", "hit harder" and "hit hardest with HoPo" buttons.

Jeremiah Foster
Jeremiah Foster

like my bodyguard isn't for just holding the 150 resources and 50 gold items

Daniel Green
Daniel Green

WARLOCK OR MAGE

WHAT DO I PLAY RIGHT NOW

William Reyes
William Reyes

frost mage

Joshua Jackson
Joshua Jackson

lock has better class mount and gear sets

Hudson Wright
Hudson Wright

Could been Klaxxi style, but instead one enters the fight every 30-60 seconds
Each has two of their signature abilities they use at 25 and 50 energy from their actual fights; Balnazar MCs and Fears people, Mephistroth makes people do AoE damage and teleports and throws orbs, Tichondrius does LoS AoE damage and disappears for a night phase, etc.
Those that haven't had fights like Mal'ganis just have thematic abilities like summoning undead
Each ability damages other dreadlords and they can be used to block ones that needed one before like Mephistroth's orbs or Tichondrius Echoes
Mythic makes them heal to full when one dies and use carrion plague halfway inbetween each ability use and gives their key abilities more lethality (Tichondrius' night phase instantly kills you if you don't get an orb like in M NH)
Each mythic Carrion Swarm has a unique effect, Mephistroth's leaves shit on the ground, Anetheron's puts anyone hit to sleep
No enrage, fight is more about killing them all off quickly before you have too many mechanics going off at once from 5-6 dreadlords being in the arena

This will never be put in because of tits and ass coven out of nowhere

Jose Ramirez
Jose Ramirez

SHIT I LIKED ABOUT LEGION
zone and quest design, leveling was actually fun
no flying made the world actually feel like mmo again because there were people everywhere
monk play style

Elijah Ortiz
Elijah Ortiz

Ret challenge was pretty easy
Prot challenge is by far the hardest one

Justin Jackson
Justin Jackson

statistically prot challenge is the second hardest..

Nathan Mitchell
Nathan Mitchell

Blood Dk was hardest for me. Never died but came close

Lincoln Bell
Lincoln Bell

I do love frost.

What spec lock?

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

But, no tank pet :(

Carter Butler
Carter Butler

Affy is good. just take haunt to speed up leveling.
mass pull things.Should be pretty hard to die

Xavier Hernandez
Xavier Hernandez

Legion gave us Genn BTFOing Sylvanas

All we needed, really.

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

What if I'm already 110 on both?

Ryder Cox
Ryder Cox

Genn is a third rate fursuit that has too many cum stains to count, fuck off with this anti horde shit

Leo Powell
Leo Powell

Sargeras doesnt even have his own bossfight
the fucking state of WoW

Tyler Reed
Tyler Reed

Even better than that, is the SFM porn of Genn on Sylvanas.

Levi White
Levi White

another deathwing tier crap

Good.

Liam Turner
Liam Turner

whats the hardest and where do your get your 'statistic' ?

Adam Bell
Adam Bell

mind you we still have one raid tier in legion after throne

Evan Peterson
Evan Peterson

Based on datamining Sargeras is likely a mythic only phase, like how Cho'gall or Demon Within were.

Luis Johnson
Luis Johnson

Outlaw rogue, mmo champion scanned the armory and got the results.

Carson Cox
Carson Cox

No, we dont.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

Itll probably be ruby sanctum tier, to be honest

There will never be an emeral nightmare expansion where you travel the corrupted Azeroth, Untouched by the titants

Sebastian Miller
Sebastian Miller

the price to pay for future SFM

Ian Murphy
Ian Murphy

If we get any post-Antorus raid content it's in all likelyhood going to Azshara in a Sunwell Plateau style raid that has little to do with what was going on on Argus.

But I'd say what's more likely is that we get another "mega" dungeon like Karazhan from scratch featuring Azshara, much to everyone's bitching that she's dealt with in a 5-man.

Colton Martin
Colton Martin

I can't do them because they all still have a stupid and obnoxious questline attached. I'm sure I'd find them extremely easy, though.

Brayden Butler
Brayden Butler

How are you guys enjoying your Demon Hunter?

Julian Watson
Julian Watson

there are people who have been playing the same exact main character, class, spec since they started WoW
How the fuck can people not make a million alts? I can't stop switching between all my characters.

Caleb Collins
Caleb Collins

There aren't any glaves that look good.

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

finally add Demon Hunter
only glaives you can use are over-designed bulky shit
artifact weapon skins all have their own fucking horns
vanilla-era NPc simple glaives still unavailable

Just end me

Wyatt Foster
Wyatt Foster

Only faggots actually give a shit about collecting mounts and pets.
You're playing a fucking MMO. Pointlessly collecting shit is one of the biggest avenues for shit to do outside of arbitrarily climbing gear ladders.
Twilight Highlands says hello.
Confirmed Cata baby.
Yeah because lacking a coherent storyline that ties the entire Broken Isles together is such a great thing, right? Fuck off.
Motherfucker, quest hubs are a thing. Each zone has some individual story. You literally just pointed out Twilight Highlands as your favorite pretty zone, and that's the fucking expansion that set Blizzard's standard for linear zone storytelling.
Too bad they didn't do this when it was needed, AKA the Suramar shit on launch.
There is always gated rep content, and some of it always gets removed. You don't have to look far at all for similar instances in prior expansions.
PvP sucks
This is true, but it has always been true to some degree. You can have that much.
Only one or two Legion stories really stood out, the rest were mostly filler.
True, but hardly the worst it's ever been. Blizzard's face-value narrative team is shit in every project they work on. At least the build up for the next xpac has been cool.

Honestly, don't try so hard to be different. The list was clearly opinion, as is your shitty response.

Leo Brown
Leo Brown

Can't play one. They play like shit, Illidan is a cringy, emo fuckface and all the xXDarkNinjaAssassinArthasXx_PL shitters are on it.

Oh and their class hall is a shithole.

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

I really hate how janky all not-DH themed leather looks on them in addition to what said. I liked what I played of mine (tanked a few things), but I have that brand of autism where I really have to like how my character looks/get into the character to really enjoy it and I just haven't clicked with my DH.

Ryan Hill
Ryan Hill

I will never have the thin, sharp looking glaives the vanilla/BC demon hunters had

Charles Lee
Charles Lee

This is fair. At least you are honest.

William Allen
William Allen

Quite a lot. Veng is great now with the Fracture/Spirit Bomb build and Havoc is fast and pretty fun as well.

Meme-Beam spec is the greatest thing for weeks like this in M+

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

The cycle of fire has been a very real thing for some time now that was fully cemented in Cata when fire was cool as fuck and then arcane came around and was all like "no" and we were sad.

Hudson Campbell
Hudson Campbell

Can hide helms, shoulders, cloaks and even boots
Can't hide chest
I want to be a fucking barbarian.

Daniel Wright
Daniel Wright

tfw one of 10 gorillion other DHs using Warglaives since they're the only ones that look good

John Perez
John Perez

Can hide boots

Is this true?

Nathaniel Rogers
Nathaniel Rogers

orgrimmar chestguard

Jordan Gutierrez
Jordan Gutierrez

tfw you are so strong in legion you can solo the previous raid on mythic

Justin Lee
Justin Lee

With authentic troll shoes yeah.

Wyatt Hughes
Wyatt Hughes

Griftahs authentic troll shoes.

Nathan Bailey
Nathan Bailey

Pretty sure he mistyped belt

Lucas Gonzalez
Lucas Gonzalez

Enjoying how simple it is and how it isn't top tier DPS either, so it has a perfect amount of balance for how much effort goes into "playing it right".

Really is fucking stupid we can't mog fist weapons on glaives considering they have literally, LITERALLY the EXACT SAME ANIMATIONS.

can mog swords and daggers
DAGGERS
BUT NOT FIST WEAPONS

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

http://www.wowhead.com/item=97901/griftahs-authentic-troll-shoes

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

He didn't.

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

aka6

If I hadn't lost my HDD two days ago I'd post a vomit image for you.

Anthony Edwards
Anthony Edwards

I got you senpai

Dominic King
Dominic King

You can with Griftah's genuine troll boots or whatever from the horde legion intro.

Adrian Clark
Adrian Clark

Does it involve knots?

Asher Gutierrez
Asher Gutierrez

If I wasn't addicted to Destro Lock and I wasn't busy with school, I would be gearing up my Demon Hunter Trap

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

sauce! i know its a blog of some sort

Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

So, which race has the best feet?

Brody Peterson
Brody Peterson

WE WUZ NOBLE SAVAGES N SHIT PEACE ZUG

Andrew Stewart
Andrew Stewart

Why the FUCK don't have the option to hide all parts of our gear?
Why limit it, Blizzard, you fucking retards

Jordan Wilson
Jordan Wilson

Undead

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

+rep

Andrew Gutierrez
Andrew Gutierrez

You cannot mog Daggers onto Glaives. I tried since I loved the dude in the Illidan novel who goes beast mode with his daggers against Maiev before getting his shit wrecked

Jack Moore
Jack Moore

How's Destro?

Jose Garcia
Jose Garcia

....

sauce?

Jackson Miller
Jackson Miller

you cant mog daggers into swords because reasons
but you can mog bows into guns and crossbows
blizz also removed the same restrictions from polearms

ok

William Sullivan
William Sullivan

that one Illidari chick with a fucking Scythe

Why wasn't this expanded on? Might've actually been cool.

Xavier Wood
Xavier Wood

Yeah, good meme

Levi Hughes
Levi Hughes

cant you just mog it all to naked?

Adrian Jones
Adrian Jones

Even still warglaives and fist weapons have the same animations and not a god damned thing differs in actual ability animations with fist weapons

I don't understand why Blizzard refuses to let anyone but Bears, Elemental Shamans, and Monks use fist weapons. It's fucking retarded. So glad they're permanently dropping this artifact shit once Legion is over.

Mason Murphy
Mason Murphy

Even still warglaives and fist weapons have the same animations and not a god damned thing differs in actual ability animations with fist weapons
No? dhs have special animations that no other class have.

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

Belf!

Wyatt Ramirez
Wyatt Ramirez

Game will continue to feel lifeless due to lack of social aspect. M+ was a good step in the right direction I don't think I've talked to random strangers that much since tbc heroics.

Legiondaries were an awkward idea. They really should just put great gear behind their giant quest chains and hardmode content that only currently offer flat gold and ap. I'd like to see play style changing items like that return to WoW but as epics.

Christopher Reed
Christopher Reed

Easily the most engaging/dynamic lock spec atm
really more versatile than the others, fun to see big back to back chaos bolts, good for world content, good for M+, good for raiding. fun in pvp.
dont have to have fucking infernal/doomguard as your pet

Landon Smith
Landon Smith

Get rid of artifacts
Every caster's BiS becomes a wand again because of itemization

Michael Brooks
Michael Brooks

It was rather RNG until Tomb, where they had the embers be built up so it is much slower but logical that just gaining random charges at times. More consistent but I feel like a lot of what I do is gear dependent. That and the game wants you to constantly be dealing with multiple enemies instead of single target nuking which I get Chaos Bolts that hit for like 2-5 million at times...

Jack Baker
Jack Baker

They also have the best boipussies.

Chase Harris
Chase Harris

Wait, what's wrong with the infernal/doomguard talent for destro?

Ryder Williams
Ryder Williams

taunt totem
tanking

Nigger at least say Earth Shock

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

what do you like most about belf feet

Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

Thrall blasted Deathwing with the Dragon Soul.
He himself is not even close to being strong enough, he needed the power of literally all dragonflights put together.

David Flores
David Flores

tfw you can't be a gnome/goblin warlock and ride on your felguard's shoulder, ordering him to attack while throwing shadowbolts and shitting corruption everywhere
that's my class fantasy

Joshua Cruz
Joshua Cruz

there's a perk in your weapon that makes imps firebolts do more damage to targets with immolate on them,
thus the grimoire of service which lets you summon another imp that does twice as much damage is a pretty good dps cooldown.

also personally I really prefer the original demons, and having DG/infernal as a cooldown,
I also have sindorei's spite

John Jones
John Jones

You both were on the right track, but the REAL answer was what Beast Mastery should have been a melee tank spec that uses a Spirit Bond on steroids mechanic to split damage and healing taken evenly with your pet with a playstyle that incentivizes swapping off aggro between you two.

Camden Scott
Camden Scott

gear up
smash normal ToS every week
browse heroic ToS groups
"Link AOTC or kicked, checking progress"

the community is aids.

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

finished the outlaw challenge the other day. I can die in peace now

Ryder Bailey
Ryder Bailey

GoServ is better in 90% of situations, the other 10% you're better off using GoSac and that's only in heavy AoE.

Also for to use GoSup as Destro effectively, you'd have to start with your infernal, use infernal strike, and then summon your doomguard.

Isaac Lewis
Isaac Lewis

Where the fuck are you seeing this?

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

All Warrior challenges and the Windwalker challenge.
Its getting shitty on alts because I dont have legendaries for them. I might just cave in and craft some.

Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

You forgot:

Legion forces you to do all of its shitty quests in EVERY zone,and do even more shitty questing after completing that just to unlock flying.

Also Legion's geography isn't that well designed for ground mounts.

Basically after waiting almost 8 months after the game came out I decided to give the game a shot got to level 108 and started the high mountain area and it alone made me quit playing and unsub because traversing it was so horrible on a ground mount I couldn't believe they designed it that way knowing that people would be leveling through it.

They should stop this whole flying locked behind a brick wall of achievements ,and instead let flying be purchasable once your character has achieved the new level cap. IT doesn't help legion has some of the worse questing I've done in a MMO.

Nicholas Johnson
Nicholas Johnson

Is the ww challenge hard?

David Hall
David Hall

Just because it's the original overdesigned piece of shit edgelord weapon doesn't mean it looks better than the others.

Michael Bennett
Michael Bennett

But the others are overdesigned piece of shit edgelord weapons that look like plastic toys

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

Make the heirloom fist weapons, equip them, and go hit up a dummy a bunch.

You'll see no difference in animations from warglaives whatsoever, other than auto-attack animations, which also differ from swords.

Jose Powell
Jose Powell

Out of all the ones I did it felt like the easiest.

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

I guess I will farm gear on my monk, I would do all of them but fuck legendary items.

Evan Lee
Evan Lee

The flying is blocked because Blizz wants you to explore the world with treasures and shit.
Shame almost everybody is using addons to show them, so the achievement wall si pretty stupid.

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

I want to impregnate a Night Elf

Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez

Painted nails

I quit in wrath, why the fuck did that one chick in Dalaran have black painted toe nails and all the other Belfs had red painted nails? Was she the favorite character of some foot fetishist working at blizzard?

Henry Robinson
Henry Robinson

liking the playstyle of veng now soul cleave isn't worth pressing
he didnt used to use razor spikes with 40% crit in M+ for that satisfying cleave

shitter.

Cameron Williams
Cameron Williams

also warriors can mog maces, axes or swords into staves for some reason

Ryan Walker
Ryan Walker

Probably could, but why should you have to.
What possible reason do they have?

Camden Robinson
Camden Robinson

killing class fantasy for the sake of balance
classes still not balanced

Kek and lul what a great idea Blizzer

Luke Martin
Luke Martin

Because Blood Elf DKs have black nails

Nathaniel Baker
Nathaniel Baker

remove flying
the expanse and mystery of the draenor zones
when they added flying as damage control it still took 10 minutes to get across Nagrand
the absolute state of legion zones due to being designed with flying in mind

Ayden Sullivan
Ayden Sullivan

It's been aids ever since gear score became a thing,

Nicholas Butler
Nicholas Butler

THIGHS
BOOBS
BUTTS
LEGS

David Robinson
David Robinson

Cant play WoW for more than a week every year or 2 since end of WOTLK. Community has gone to shit since they made the game ezmode, pvps dead. Just mindless queues and no communication, might aswell just be playing a clicker game.

Carter Adams
Carter Adams

Nah dude I rolled a female belf dk in wrath and she 100% had red painted nails I know because I jerked off to the horrible in game feet textures.

It was only that 1 chick in Dalaran who had black painted toenails.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

God Goblin girls are so fucking ugly ingame

Jacob Cooper
Jacob Cooper

Yes, I so love every fucking area in the game except low level ones being overrun with edgelords and their original donut steel character do not steel.
low levels
demon hunters
You haven't played Legion, have you?

Andrew Nguyen
Andrew Nguyen

You didnt pick one of the actually-undead skin tones, you fuck

David Cruz
David Cruz

Yep you really need to join a private guild to really have fun in the game now. Playing the current game as a pub is just frustrating at this point. It's amazing how two little changes of text to the game irreversibly damaged it forever. I could wear the worst gear ever and get in over someone with more optimized stats just because muh number is higher.

John Brooks
John Brooks

what about out of game?

Brody Perez
Brody Perez

They're specifically designed WITHOUT flying in mind. The entire point of removing flying was so they could turn a 5 minute set of daily quests into 45 minutes of navigating a maze of cliffs.

Austin Myers
Austin Myers

Pros: Good content flow, fun raiding, class feels good to play, accessible to a lot of player.

Cons: Shit loot, shit world design, shit rng system, legendary, perma artifact grind, professions, game engine is getting old.

Jace Gomez
Jace Gomez

wow im retarded sorry
firebolt dealing more damage to targets with immolate is just an innate property of firebolt, not an artifact trait

Carter Foster
Carter Foster

Oh does it depend on the skin tone? I never checked, that might even be true.

Aiden Ortiz
Aiden Ortiz

Thats not even a Goblin thats Fel Queen Chromie from HotS

Carter Fisher
Carter Fisher

LK H
170 attempts before first kill, attempts were limited to 20

M KJ
Attempts not limited
653 attempts
Boss is the second to be undefeated pre-nerf

Jose Gray
Jose Gray

ok you fucking nerd settle down

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

welp, I'm on no-fap guys!

Aaron Diaz
Aaron Diaz

I so love every fucking area in the game except low level ones
except low level ones
You don't know how to read, do you?

Ayden Sullivan
Ayden Sullivan

He's being hilarious, WOTLK was one of the most casual expansions.
HC Ragnaros took like 500+ tries.

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

If you count KJ as a boss that had to be nerfed, you'd also have to count C'thun.
The original KJ was straight up impossible.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

forced to have magatha in your class hall

shamans are literally the cuckest class.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

Stop basing your life around memes

Nolan Sanchez
Nolan Sanchez

99% of Belf players are too vain to pick one of the dead skin tones anyway

Also I want to impregnate Tohsaka

Jaxson Taylor
Jaxson Taylor

99% of Belf players are too vain to pick one of the skins that look like literal shit

At least the dh special skin tones are good.

Logan Powell
Logan Powell

Cons
Warrior tanks main mitigation is a damage absorb bubble.
Pally tanks are parry and blocking whores.
Yet, they act like they give a shit about class fantasy.

Jason Moore
Jason Moore

having fun vs dying 653 times because they gave a boss a huge health pool

high octane

Adam Smith
Adam Smith

Game has been oversimplified and killed all interaction outside of M Raids and M+ Dungeons (to a lesser extent).

If blizzard wants to keep a returning player base they need to give a social aspect that makes people want to return. Number increases alone won't do the job. A lot of people drop WoW because they don't know anyone else that plays it and get bored of being alone.

Lincoln Brown
Lincoln Brown

scaly shit
Disgusting. Night Elves are better anyway since they actually get black hair as DHs.

Dylan King
Dylan King

Still the best PVP in any MMO, even though its in the worst state it's ever been in.

Caleb James
Caleb James

Keep telling yourself that, the game is in such a state its actually impressive how much blizz fucked it up

Camden Butler
Camden Butler

Relatively speaking, both KJ and Lich King have around double the health of previous bosses in the raid

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND user

EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT BACK THEN

Evan Howard
Evan Howard

lmao

Michael Flores
Michael Flores

Do you have a retail account? As I said I stopped playing ages ago, can you create a belf dk with black toenails and post me the armory link so I can load her in the 3D model viewer?

Eli Watson
Eli Watson

take me back

Jeremiah Sullivan
Jeremiah Sullivan

Soul Cleave is just a garbage spell

AYY LMAO SHITTER xD

Wyatt Young
Wyatt Young

dbm literally plays the game for you and blizzard completely removed the ability to socialize

Lincoln Roberts
Lincoln Roberts

Would you?

She has a fat ass and loves anal.

Gabriel Carter
Gabriel Carter

What if you just wanna fuck around?

John Ramirez
John Ramirez

She's a video game character

Bentley Carter
Bentley Carter

LITERALLY WOO

Parker Brooks
Parker Brooks

Not into racemixing with sub-species.
Also i donĀ“t like dwarves sorry.

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

On another note, when was the last time there was an armour set/tier released that you thought looked amazing? I swear since transmog every armour set i end up with when im maxed looks like shit unless i transmog it to some weird shit from 4 expansions ago.

Its like they're to scared to dissapoint people or they just dont give a fuck.

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

If you just want to fuck around do whatever you want man

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

friendly reminder if your class's challenge takes place outside you can cheese it with Greater Blessed Bandage
http://www.wowhead.com/item=153188/greater-blessed-bandage

Zachary Foster
Zachary Foster

every raid tier has at least one good armor set.

Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

does the tank challenge count as outside?

Julian Smith
Julian Smith

Fucking fuck they are probably going ot nerf this before we get the tower again.

Charles Cooper
Charles Cooper

Blizzard has a hardon for making melee classes

David Walker
David Walker

Melee Priests and Warlocks when?

Christian Campbell
Christian Campbell

Melee Priests
Disc was suppose to be a melee monk but they chicken out during the vanilla beta, thats why the old inner fire increased armor.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

Is the giant hole in Sillythis actually happening or was it a fake?

Cameron Perry
Cameron Perry

Real and you can revert it with an npc like blasted lands if you need to quest there.

Anthony Scott
Anthony Scott

Just make your own group.
It's not hard.
It's pretty much 4 weeks til the next raid anyway so its not big deal if you don't get it done

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

needing to quest in Silithus
Lmao

Colton Jones
Colton Jones

Artifact Power and AK system makes catch-up easy, and deincentivizes power grinding

This is a joke right? Yes, they cratered it into the ground but there is no reality where it still isn't a grind and it was ABSOLUTELY ATROCIOUS on expansion launch. The endless scaling artifact system is one of the biggest design blunders of legion along with titanforging. It has made balance even more miserable.

Fuck off.

Your order has a slave naaru that they have been raping behind that window.

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

I mean is part of the loremaster user.

Juan Flores
Juan Flores

Blood Knight style?
Gangster
Is there a full set of Blood Knight gear?
That'd be a fun Transmog

Parker Rodriguez
Parker Rodriguez

I do but I haven't played in a couple months, I burnt myself out on Legion trying to catch up to friends

Luis Ramirez
Luis Ramirez

The actual Blood Knight set is from Vanilla PvP titles, most people dont qualify for it

Zachary Thomas
Zachary Thomas

I thought rbg titles were fine too?

Eli Hughes
Eli Hughes

Well yeah but most people dont have 1600 RBG rating either

Carson Powell
Carson Powell

Why do they require rating to be transmoggable? So stupid

Angel Garcia
Angel Garcia

Just join a guild, what the fuck?

Joshua Howard
Joshua Howard

I've literally never had a character I could main. Could anyone please explain how?

Josiah Stewart
Josiah Stewart

incase is a national fucking treasure jesus christ

Brody Reyes
Brody Reyes

the mobs in silithus are 100

wat te fugg

Alexander Morales
Alexander Morales

They introduced scaling with them for the miniholiday but forgot to turn it off outside the holiday

Jackson Bailey
Jackson Bailey

I don't know, man.

I change characters faster than girls change clothes.

Logan Flores
Logan Flores

his gobbo/xeno content is the best but there's so little of it cause he's always drawing fag shit

Nathaniel Morris
Nathaniel Morris

Legion did something good.

Tanks being unkillable monsters in WPVP was pretty great. Made people bow down to my monster tank cock slapping the shit out of anyone that crossed muh path.

Joseph Turner
Joseph Turner

He has a comic about shortstacks, you know. Good content and it comes out at a pretty good pace.

Levi Young
Levi Young

Artifact appearance rewards for Warrior are crap, nothing from there fits my troll-themed transmog.

Doesn't reward enough from personal point.

Xavier Gutierrez
Xavier Gutierrez

Wasn't that Celestalon?

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

Fist Weapons can't be daggers

Nathan Baker
Nathan Baker

Prot one looks trollish kinda. Honestly I'm just sad that dps warrior challenge weapons are both swords.

James Fisher
James Fisher

Tons of cool new mounts
it's just a skin slapped onto the same bones
yaay

Samuel Evans
Samuel Evans

While you can technically grind AP into oblivion, you run into really heavy DR. The cost of each rank keeps going yp, and each week the amount of AP you gain from the same source quadruples. After 75, AP will have little effect, just how higher ranks of Concordance are barely stronger than the previous.

If you're grinding AP like some freak playing a Korean MMO and not just casually obtaining it from raids/M+/WQs you do, you're doing it wrong.

James Butler
James Butler

skin slapped onto the same bones

So basically, any and all gear? Fuck off, user.

Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

that feel when want to RP but im on WrA and guildless
Why live

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

It's ok to suck Blizzards dick my dude but they could at least change the animatons a bit.

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

I miss shitting thunders with my ele shaman.
Now if I ever want to do damage with thunders I've gotta pop artifact buff and unload a whole THREE chain lightnings that do something close to acceptable damage and wait for nearly a minute before doing three thunders again

Ian Ross
Ian Ross

What is the fastest way to get Legionfall rep? I want to fly and that's all I need after coming back from a 9 month break.

Noah Howard
Noah Howard

This is a bad thing because it incentivises waiting a week or two to make you grind more worthwhile.

Ethan Myers
Ethan Myers

grind wq, find treasure chests, and do netherportal farming to turn in war supplies

Austin Ortiz
Austin Ortiz

Do the non-repeatable quests that reward the class mount at the end. Every quest gives a high amount of rep.

Blake Gonzalez
Blake Gonzalez

he doesn't like aka6

I hope you get fel corruption and die.

Ethan Mitchell
Ethan Mitchell

do the quests, use your followers to do all the rep insignia token quests at 100% as there's a chance you can get legionfall from it. dailies.

far as i know, there's no raw grinding you can do

Evan Cook
Evan Cook

Not liking Aka6

Shit man you must be a real porn connoisseur.

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

The only AP I will intentionally stagger are the bigass AP tokens from the Command Center Elite Strike Order Hall missions. Most other cases it doesn't make sense to stagger AP gains, and most expire anyhow.

Aaron Campbell
Aaron Campbell

Well yeah, what did you expect?

Jayden Clark
Jayden Clark

I've just applied on those raids so many times on alts without whispering them shit and they invite me.

Most people don't care, stop being so emotional.

Jason White
Jason White

Mythic raids are the only thing that are harder. Even then it's just artificial difficulty.

Everything else (leveling, dungeons, world content, quests, etc.) are far easier.

Sebastian Thomas
Sebastian Thomas

I know people love to claim WoW is casual as shit now but I wish it was fun at an actually casual level. I dont enjoy raiding anymore and if you dont raid theres practically nothing.

Ryder Allen
Ryder Allen

Blood Elves in the lore and art depictions: cool as fuck
Blood Elves in-game: Gay and lame as fuck

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

out of all of them only
demon hunters finally
and
suramar probably the best looking zone
are true
the rest are so fucking full of shit it makes me think youre a shill

Jaxon Peterson
Jaxon Peterson

/v/thread/394273609#p394280452
Depth is actually on the baseline for motivating / rewarding gameplay.

Easton Lee
Easton Lee

I want to fuck all these hot red and green demon draenei

Camden Howard
Camden Howard

Ackchyally those are Eredar turned into Man'ari. Draenei are the good guys.

David Reed
David Reed

I really want to impregnate a Draenei

Brandon Rodriguez
Brandon Rodriguez

I want to fuck Eredar turned into Man'ari.

Bentley Parker
Bentley Parker

spellbreaker regalia never
SMC update never
decent facial hair/short hair options for males never

Adrian Jenkins
Adrian Jenkins

that collar

cahd as fuck

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

My diiiiiiiick

Isaiah Martinez
Isaiah Martinez

Pro: None, WoW destroyed the entire MMORPG genre by mass casualization.
Con: Basically everything, I can't think of a single good thing WoW actually added to the MMORPG genre. things like auction houses and dungeon finder are very BAD additions that casualize the game rather than improve it.

in b4 people call me contrarian, troll, etc. I'm just an old fucker who wants the classic mid 90s era of MMORPG's back.

Elijah Reyes
Elijah Reyes

Why is there no porn of these semen demons?

Alexander Anderson
Alexander Anderson

Porn that isn't 5 foot long horse cock futa draenei, I mean.

Julian Moore
Julian Moore

There is some, just not nearly enough.

Benjamin Hughes
Benjamin Hughes

You and me both, friend.

Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

Porn that isn't 5 foot long horse cock futa draenei

Mason Sanchez
Mason Sanchez

You just know they love it rough.

Andrew Jenkins
Andrew Jenkins

I'm going to make an eredar tulpa wish me luck anons

Nolan Cooper
Nolan Cooper

Inb4 your tulpa just screams at you like that other guys.

Brandon Myers
Brandon Myers

Fuckin hell man, it just went on hiatus expected to be 2+ months long. Why given me this pain?

Cameron Russell
Cameron Russell

spot the triggered blizztards

Asher Miller
Asher Miller

I really hate World of Warcraft but damn if I'm not going to play the game since launch!

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

Should I just reroll? Does Horde have a lot of bots? What are the BG queue times like?

John Torres
John Torres

pvping in legion
you fucked up son

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

pvping
fixed it for you, chap

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

Class design is shit, all my favorite classes are just boring to play
I don't mind if the raid content isn't the best we've ever seen, but I just want the classes to be fun to play again. I'm looking forward to the next expansion not because of the new content, but because we'll probably get another class rework. I only hope that things improve.

Michael Robinson
Michael Robinson

New novel coming in hot next year in Spring

Gonna tie-in to the next expansion

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

Sub rogue and autist mode feral not to your liking?

Nathaniel Williams
Nathaniel Williams

The problem here is that I shouldn't have to grind to power my character like that. The entire endgame has been turned on its head because fucking Ion thinks that keeping mythic raiders "engaged" with an autistic grind is going to keep retention up rather than letting players get their character to the plateau and come back for another patch or play an alt. Or are we forgetting about his comments that grinding AP is content to them? To say that balance hasn't become fucky due to endless artifact scaling or titanforging is pants on head retarded so attempting to dismiss it with a handwaving "don't play it like a korean mmo" is missing the forest for the fucking trees.

It's poor design. It's skinner boxing to the nth degree. The game is worse off because of it.

Jose King
Jose King

not him but sub rogue was kino in wod but they fucking ruined it.

Levi Miller
Levi Miller

Why I don't play Legion
happened after Panda
happened after that other expansion
happened after Cata
happened after dungeon finder

Jonathan Edwards
Jonathan Edwards

I see, haven't tried it but heard it's one of the few specs that actually need some playing.

Kayden Wright
Kayden Wright

It's what I like lads, I just want to know if queue times for horde on tich are insane or if horde have a lot of bots

Lucas Russell
Lucas Russell

boohoo

John Turner
John Turner

Are Rogues the best class of all time?

David Smith
David Smith

God damn, then Legion must be shit because I did every zone in NR and it was the worst questing experience I've ever had in WoW.

Brayden Lewis
Brayden Lewis

Blizzard genuinely wants large poopsock raid groups. They spent years trying to incentivise 25-man over 10-man because everyone found the latter more fun and convenient. Then when that didn't work they just removed it completely so the top 300 guilds can kill themselves doing 600 pulls on a mythic boss.

Evan Nguyen
Evan Nguyen

Just queued and the wait time says 8 minutes. Horde usually has always had much longer wait times and Alliance is typically instant. Think there was like one expansion where it was the opposite.

Adrian Thompson
Adrian Thompson

i loved them in WC3 and i was so disappointed when i saw them as guards in TBC but you couldn't get the gear and the crap model for male belfs overall

Oliver Perry
Oliver Perry

http://www.wowhead.com/news=274367/raider-io-launches-mythic-plus-addon?webhook/raider-io-launches-mythic-plus-addon

new add on to filter out the shitters

Jaxson Martinez
Jaxson Martinez

There's no sufficient way to filter out the shitters, if you're going to need to get a consistent group together rather than just pug all the time.

Zachary Brooks
Zachary Brooks

Arena rating is the only thing that matters.

Cooper Cruz
Cooper Cruz

Belfs are slutty whores that suck any dick, even big red worgen dog dick and huge tauren horse cock.

Jose Morris
Jose Morris

This is just encourage more of those fags that want carries.

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

tfw all the demon eredar all over Argus begging for cock

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

try to raid
LINK AOTC 945+ILVL
try to M+
LINK WOWPROG 2400+ OR RAIDER.IO
try to raid older mythics for mogs
LINK CUTTING EDGE QUICK RUN NO BADS

I'm 2k M+ , and a decent raider who shows up as 951, so I don't generally have a problem getting groups, but this shit is bonkers.

Also real talk: why is Illidan-US specifically full of tryhard elitist shitfucks? Every little fucker who complains about DPS on mechanical failures, or people asking for absurd shit is usually from here.

Camden White
Camden White

8 minutes

god damn that sucks

Blake James
Blake James

tauren
Horse cock
They have bull cock

Jackson Diaz
Jackson Diaz

So they finally fixed AP? I remember early on in the expansion grinding endlessly was encouraged.

Fuck Ion.

James Martinez
James Martinez

enjoy ur chink server lmao

Brody Collins
Brody Collins

hunters
ever being more than 2 buttons
what are you even saying

Joshua Thomas
Joshua Thomas

Illidan-US specifically full of tryhard elitist shitfucks

Because Illidan is one of the oldest servers and one that became known early on for its raiding scene, a lot of players go their specifically to raid higher end.

And in all honest, from playing on other servers you average Illidan player is better than your average player on another server. And I'd take a chink over a BR or french canadian any day

Ryan Parker
Ryan Parker

Prove you aren't a casual.

You AREN'T a casual with no battle pets right Sup Forums?

Mason Clark
Mason Clark

http://www.wowhead.com/news=274436/four-playable-sub-races-in-next-wow-expansion

Datamined sub races potentially
Void elf

Bliz pls

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

who cares about elfs anyway, wait for the cool orcs and trolls.

Landon Adams
Landon Adams

t. Illidan player.

Elijah Adams
Elijah Adams

1400 global is pretty shit m8, top 100 or bust

Joseph Reyes
Joseph Reyes

Survival hunters were pretty great in panda and cata, and had a fun rotation (imo)

Ethan Campbell
Ethan Campbell

I had all the pets before selling my account, even the grunty.

Alexander Ross
Alexander Ross

People actually fucking do pet battles?

Kevin Cruz
Kevin Cruz

I saw this. For those lazy to read, the meat and potatoes is 4 new race entries got added to the races directory, Void Elf, Highmountain Tauren, Lightforged Draenei, and Nightbourne. This directory has many other non-player races, such as Naga and Murloc, etc, but these non-player races always have a 0, null value for the setting that defines the character select screen background, whereas these 4 new ones do not, and instead have values identical to their counterpart races.

Keep an eye on this one.

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

healers are harder to kill now than ever before
Did you even play WoD? Resto doods were actually unkillable. It may take awhile, but now I can at least 1v1 a healer. Not only that, but mana actually RUNS OUT now instead of sitting at 98% all fucking day

Xavier Long
Xavier Long

you forgot CONS:
LFG still exists
LFR still exists
new talents are still there
dungeons and raids are still multiple difficulty
dailies are still too present
some garrisons elements still remain
classes are gutted
warforge/titanforge/legendaries make the game an rngfest
lore/story has become senseless, with too much emphasis on YOU the hero of everything, that doesn't belong in an MMO

David Lewis
David Lewis

DH as a pro
stopped reading right there

Daniel Butler
Daniel Butler

LFG still exists
LFR still exists
dungeons and raids are still multiple difficulty

The game has its issues at the moment but none of those 3 are it.

Leo Campbell
Leo Campbell

Literally where is malganis hidden the legion is about to end and he would make some good opponent for pld/dk scenarios
also where are the meme bosses like jaraxxus

Luke Harris
Luke Harris

Jaraxxus actually makes a cameo but as a time-separated ghost thing of himself in the past

Matthew Smith
Matthew Smith

Name-Ragnaros joins the group

Thomas James
Thomas James

I posted Cons further down...people replied faster than I could type them, user.

Lincoln Moore
Lincoln Moore

whos ready for blizzcon?

Levi Brown
Levi Brown

barely anything for the nightborne

im mad

Justin Martin
Justin Martin

How come no one mentioned this?

Tides of Vengeance logo. Everyone is saying it looks professionally done unlike the other shit.

Lincoln Roberts
Lincoln Roberts

How do people who ERP drop their inhibitions and just do it? I dont think im cut out for being a degenerate

Angel Mitchell
Angel Mitchell

Everyone is saying it looks professionally done unlike the other shit.
You know thats literally the same logo with another colors right? You can do this shit on paint.

Jackson Williams
Jackson Williams

There's someone that leaks 3 or 4 blizzcon panels every year, everything until that is fake.

Lucas Cruz
Lucas Cruz

Fire will always be bad because blizzard can't balance specs that scale heavily on one stat, they're either OP for a few weeks or garbage for a whole expansion.

Parker Stewart
Parker Stewart

Tides of Vengeance
there was a datamined horse mount, the "Seabraid Stallion" with unique ghost-like sounds
leak from ages ago that mentioned a "davy jones-like" antagonist. This same leak predicted that "girl power would be front and center" and at BlizzCon this year there is a panel for female voice actors in WoW
Kul'Tiras armor set was datamined way back
new Warcraft novel releasing in 2018 titled "Before the Storm"
We might actually be getting that ocean expansion after all

Hunter Hughes
Hunter Hughes

Thoughts on Chronicles and the new established mythos of Magic?

Dominic Moore
Dominic Moore

The only real stuff is the kultiras armor.

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

he fell for the no-fap meme

Josiah Russell
Josiah Russell

2h enhancement is and always was a meme

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

the game will die but shamans will never have a 2h tank spec

James Lewis
James Lewis

Dreadlords have very few rules to govern them. They can fuck with each other's plans and sabotage each other as much as they want without anyone giving a shit, but if one Dreadlord kills another, they get punished very severely.

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

I don't get the big deal.

Dreadlord A kills Dreadlord B
Dreadlord B revives in Twiating Nether like every other fucking demon
??????

We've slapped Balnazaar's shit like 80 times and he keeps coming back.

Nathaniel Moore
Nathaniel Moore

Are you a girl or a jew?

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

Maybe if there was any lore at all for Valhalla. A lot of it came out of nowhere and even then they could have had great warriors of Azeroth's past there, but it was empty and full of valarjar I could give a fuck about. I like Odyn but he is the only positive in a giant pile of shit that is Skyhold.

James James
James James

Not really sure. Given that Balnazaar actually managed to fake his death in that situation, there might be an implication of permanent death if killed by one of their own.

Juan Morris
Juan Morris

This is a brand of demon that is very much willing to stab others of their kind in the back for personal gain, they thrive on deceit and skullduggery, and death is fairly trivial for demons.

It would be nice to have an explanation why this of all things is where they draw the line.

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

Demonhunters
Like every hero class, they attract retards and shtiters
Steady 77 day content cycle
I guess
Artifact Power and AK system
It should've been like this at the fucking start of the expansion
Tons of cool mounts
They're just reskins, be honest.
Suramar
It's the only decent zone out of all of them, wouldn't call it great
Demon models
Ehh
Artifact challenges
There's nothing skillful about them, it's all about having the right talents and legendaries
Level scaling
Doesn't matter, the zones are all awful
Rep/Story gating removed
Thank fuck
PvP
LOL
Questlines have been solid
Only suramar was good
3D armor elements
And yet most of the gear and tier sets still look like shit
Micro holidays
Whatever

Justin Lee
Justin Lee

The reason he was punished is because he was directly working for Sargeras at the time and failed him on a long-con that involved fucking over other legitimate plans. He didn't just die to some retard in Hellfire Peninsula, he screwed up taking over the Undercity and delivering the undead back to the Burning Legion.

Julian Morgan
Julian Morgan

The other dreadlords fucked up massively too, yet weren't punished the same way. I've seen implications that the demons that we kill will get punished for their failure no matter what, but Varimathras seems to have gotten it much worse, and the most reasonable explanation is what he feared back in Warcraft 3, breaking the most sacred law the Dreadlords have.

Brody Powell
Brody Powell

Doubting the nofap

Isaac Allen
Isaac Allen

the zones are only good if I say they are good

Dominic Peterson
Dominic Peterson

Don't doubt me. I know what's best, I played Vanilla.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

Yes.

Brody Scott
Brody Scott

At least you can mog it into an axe.

Camden Rivera
Camden Rivera

Doesn't stop the spec from being fucking awful, though, does it?

Cooper Sanders
Cooper Sanders

If we get Highmountain cows instead of Taunka, I'd be pretty upset.

Jackson Cooper
Jackson Cooper

Horde getting the shaft if it's only those 4 sub-races available. Cows no one asked for and TotallyNotBloodElves.

Connor Martinez
Connor Martinez

The not-Blood Elves would actually probably be alliance since they're flagged as Night Elves

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

the artifact challanges are rather bad though. because they are depending on 3 things.
either have really good rng and the boss never uses that one ability that fucks your try over.
or have more rng to get the specific legendaries that trivialize it which apply to every spec and class btw. or have mythic titanforged raid gear to just outdamage everything.

also instanced pvp scaling was a bad idea. gear doesnt mean jack shit now. in theory everyone is on an equal footing which is good.
in reality though you will be outdamaged by anyone with raidgear because it takes some time to get equivalent pvp gear which on top of that has shit stats.
pvp prestige should be account wide and not bound to a single character. and suramar has been really the only acceptable zone because of how much voiceacting and lore it had tied into. too bad about the timegating.
argus so far is a dissapointment really. the only reasong to go to argus is to do a greater rift and the weeklies on reset to get some free gear.

Bentley Brooks
Bentley Brooks

112k duplicate value
You disgust me.
I hope not.

Joseph Evans
Joseph Evans

either have really good rng and the boss never uses that one ability that fucks your try over.
Which one? Most of them use all the skills on time order.

Jack Carter
Jack Carter

Some pets are so good you need multiples, especially now with the dungeons you can't heal in.

Cooper Parker
Cooper Parker

who doesn't

Andrew Phillips
Andrew Phillips

especially now with the dungeons you can't heal in.
Easily doable since some of the pets are broken as fuck and can heal.

Angel Powell
Angel Powell

The only con that matters is with all that they still managed to make it boring.

Brayden Wilson
Brayden Wilson

playing hunter after MoP

Asher Brown
Asher Brown

affliciton challange for example
the hands that cast the instant death thing. they can appear in a row so you can either banish them or try to burst them down. or they can appear all at once casting at the same time. in which case you have to have enough damage to deal with them because you can only banish one at a time.
now having sacrolash for example is a great help because with that you dont even need to deal with guy and literally can just outwalk him. permanently.

Matthew Brooks
Matthew Brooks

Your opinion gave me aids

Colton Richardson
Colton Richardson

Not really they spawn every 30 seconds but yeah you're right about the ring.

Lincoln Bell
Lincoln Bell

All the bosses always use their abilities on timers in the same order, the only variance is that some of them line up and they can use one or the other first if both are available.

I think the only one where the actual fight mechanics could be called RNG are on Feltotem where the worm's animation while buried can bug out and he basically is invisible.

Tyler Ross
Tyler Ross

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq4Y7ztznKc

The Cataclysm cinematic was the best one they ever did. Gives me goosebumps every time.

Leo Hernandez
Leo Hernandez

I want to fuck that tall purple lady

Daniel Jackson
Daniel Jackson

I benched it, don't worry.

But now I can't decide between my Ass Rogue, Retadin, Unholy DK, Destro Lock and Frost Mage.

Adrian Hughes
Adrian Hughes

Always hated the story focus cinematics compared to the first two that just showed the world
Cata combines both story and showing off the world
And it's wasted on a disappointment of an expansion

Alexander James
Alexander James

It's the first expansion where hardcore raiding didn't feel fun. Everything else is an improvement on WoD but the game still lacks any substance. PvP feels too basic and WSG is ruined by classes with absurd mobility.

Jeremiah Powell
Jeremiah Powell

Hunter specs all over the place and they all feel incomplete in Legion
Decide to main UHDK for the expansion
Kind of regret it
I hate how they feel like they need to change specs just for the sake of change. Wrath to MoP had some solid class design, but they kept changing things and now nearly every spec and class in the game is a huge mess.

Jackson Moore
Jackson Moore

I like UHDK, it's got a lot of synergy with the talents and artifact traits and such.. but it's just so slow.

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

I thought it played alright, but I just couldn't get into it. I mostly regret it because it was the first time I was seriously playing something other than my hunter and it felt wrong to me.
Maybe I just was shit at it.

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

I've pretty much bounced back and forth between my hunter and retadin, and I know what you mean. My UHDK is my highest geared and probably most progressed, but I still find myself going back to my Retadin for god knows why

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

How are you guys enjoying your Demon Hunter?

I feel like the only place I still even see Demon Hunters is LFR. There's much smaller numbers of them out in the open and even then only because it starts at 98 so capping it is super easy, but I almost never get DHs in premades for M+ or heroic raids and whatever DHs our guild has are all inactive or inactive alts.

Then again it's most likely because Havoc is a one-button spec and Vengeance isn't very good, however fun it may be.

Daniel Richardson
Daniel Richardson

calling m raids artificial difficulty just shows you dont m raid

jus sayn

Angel Myers
Angel Myers

Cata will always have a special place in my heart for fem goblins

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

This was a lowkey post to help me choose.

help please god help me i'm so indecisive

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

Bretty good. I have every class so I'm going for all of them. Got shadow, guardian, feral, havoc, vengeance done this round, which brings my total up to 9.

Jason Morgan
Jason Morgan

Honestly fuck legendary items, I wish I could farm all of them.

Samuel Reed
Samuel Reed

Why Bliz hasn't improved the drop rate or at least let us target specific legendaries yet, I have no idea. Guess that's Bliz for you.

But you don't need specific legendaries for most of the challenges, anyway.

Carter Young
Carter Young

I guess I don't want to farm 2 legendaries for each spec.

Gabriel Powell
Gabriel Powell

I want to fleshlight a gobbo

Nathaniel Howard
Nathaniel Howard

WHY DID THEY GET RID OF THE PASSIVE 15% MOVE SPEED THAT WAS IN PRE-PATCH

Cooper Davis
Cooper Davis

Post your Warcraft logs of your pulls/proof of any kind

But yeah the fights on Mythic are stupidly difficult and there's so many fewer guilds actually passing bosses
A lot of tanks are unviable at higher bosses in Mythic, mostly bear tanks. If you don'tr have a specific class combination (keep in mind you have both only 20 players to bring, AND making alts that are mythic raid viable is more difficult thanks to the Leggo system) or you end up having a much harder time than usual.

As an example, you need a lot of ranged on Avatar, and ideally for the soaks you want characters that can solo soak reliably. That invalidates a lot of classes right away thanks to composition problems

Eli Green
Eli Green

A lot of what you're saying is reasonable but
OH NO THEY'RE ADDING TOO MUCH COOL NEW LORE FOR THE ARTIFACT WEAPONS
is just really silly, that's one of the best things they did this expansion

Logan Lewis
Logan Lewis

Gobbos > Gnomes. Fact

Angel Long
Angel Long

Sure.

Liam Baker
Liam Baker

I mained unholy dk ever since I started playing in wrath, and all that time it was pretty consistent, the design worked and was fun and they never did anything dramatic to fuck with it. then in legion they just binned the entire spec and made a new one in its place. people say they like it, and I'm glad for that, but it's completely unrecognisable as the spec I've enjoyed playing since I was 12. I switched to blood and I've enjoyed that a lot, I've always enjoyed the selfhealing/soloing power of blood, tanking's fun, and it's nice to be able to get into groups quickly after years of playing a dps.

Hunter Cox
Hunter Cox

What the fuck was it even like before? I don't remember anyone even playing Unholy before Legion.

Xavier Hall
Xavier Hall

No, he's right, to a degree, Blizzard bumped up the difficulty and mechanics are thrown at players as hard as they can to account for the fact people are using Weakauras.

Mistress Sassafras was hell, it was nothing but mechanics after mechanics piled on top of each other, with the added bonus of those fucking Bufferfish.

Maiden is at least an instant death if someone fucks up.

Avatar is impossible for raid groups that don't have a specific amount of ranged and certain classes.

Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

when it came out Unholy was probably the most broken a spec has ever been. till Frost got enough haste in the very same tier

Shadow of Death alone made it super OP. i remember saving a Halls of Lightning heroic wipe to Loken because of it

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

But at least you can use swords! And there's even that one sword that looks like a dagger. So you can pretend you're a very fancy rogue.

Why didn't they get fist weapons as an option, honestly? Most of the time you swing that shit like a big bulky katar anyway.

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