Why did Sonic Forces have to be so mediocre

Robert Bailey
Robert Bailey

Why did Sonic Forces have to be so mediocre

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Nathaniel Foster
Nathaniel Foster

Sonic Forces isn't just a lose for Sonic fans. It's a lose for gaming in general. Sonic Forces is a testament to modern gaming. The fact Generations/Unleashed, which came out almost 10 years ago with superior level design and graphics to boot by a mile shows that game developers are realizing that the pool for gaming has increased ten fold in those years. You don't need to try, you don't need to make or even ATTEMPT to make a full game with level design, the ceiling for fucking up and hitting mediocre is far more fair nowadays, because the lowest common denominator will lap it up with a flashy trailer, and even if the reviews shit on it to oblivion, the next game comes out in 4 or so years, so the fan base is forced/starved enough to try and attempt anything, and the cycle repeats. How many people have you seen on 4chan/other forums/youtube say "WOAH I BOUGHT THIS GAME AND IT'S SHIT???" as if they didn't have reviews and warnings everywhere, these games fuel off those sales and the people who lie to themselves in HOPES that the blue blur is saved, but it'll never happen. This isn't a loss for Sonic, this is a loss for all of gaming, to show us exactly where we stand at the moment.

Complete and utter mediocrity, because fuck it, the gaming community is large enough for everybody to just say "fuck it, I'll try it, even if it's shit" it'll get enough sales to warrant another, and we'll keep doing this over and over and over. They don't need to try anymore, and that is exactly what Forces has shown us.

tldr ST realized they can reuse assets and spend half the budget of games which try and still make millions off this version of the gaming community. Expect another Sonic game just like this for the next.

Ayden Ramirez
Ayden Ramirez

why don't they bring back those bat tats? they aren't as epic anymore in nu-Sonic

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

FORCES. FUCKING. WON.

Jack Lopez
Jack Lopez

Just about every sonic game past the Dreamcast era has been mediocre at best and downright shitty at worst. Why would you expect otherwise?

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

Mediocre
You're still fucking brainwashed, Sonic Forces is absolute dogshit

Landon Wood
Landon Wood

Did Sammy secretly post that?

Justin Morris
Justin Morris

Why isn't 3d sonic open world? Why do we still expect the use of stages?
Is it because the are afraid that exploration wouldn't fit well with sonic speed? Why isn't that used to the advantage of the game? You explore the routes the world gives you for you to get to bosses, find hidden paths for emerald rings, themed areas should always imply that there is an enemy boss in that area that needs to be defeated along with a chaos emerald to be found or something.

I don't know why Sonic hasn't gone open world, its just the next logical step.

Isaac Myers
Isaac Myers

because there is no such thing as a good open world game
B-BUT UTOPIA!!!!
B-BUT GHP!!!!!!!!!

Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

it's funny that all the games that are NOT meant to be going open world are going open, and the FEW titles which should be, completely avoid it

Nolan Diaz
Nolan Diaz

are you retarded

Sonic has literally been known as a shit franchise since Sonic 06 released, there are about 4 sonic games released in the last 10 years that are tolerable, and one of them was made by fans.

Jeremiah Howard
Jeremiah Howard

I WILL NOT BE SHOT DOWN BY YOUR ARROWS OF LIES! SONIC FORCES IS BETTER THAN GENERATIONS YOU FRICKS!

Levi James
Levi James

SEGA or Iizuka stuck Sonic Team with the remains of the former internal B-team (Secret Rings, Black Knight, Colors, Lost World) instead of the former A-team (Unleashed, Generations) along with adding a bunch of new people with little experience working on Sonic.

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

These sorts of people are why Sonic still isn't dead despite the neverending shitstream Sonic Team pushes out on the regular.
It actually actually manages to piss me right off, what a disgrace of a franchise.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

Yes. The project was launched four years ago, and we first advanced basic research on new technologies and new engines. A year later, I formed a small team, and finally full-scale production began last year around last year. This time it was longer than usual.

https://www.famitsu.com/news/201711/11145786.html

If translate is correct, Forces essentially only had a year of full-scale development. The rest was spent on the new engine and a small team working on the game in the meantime.

Eli Edwards
Eli Edwards

Dude you can't be serious. If you just hate open world games, that's fine. There have been tons of amazing games utilizing open worlds for literal decades, chump.

Bentley Reyes
Bentley Reyes

You know what I've noticed everywhere on the internet regarding this game? and keep an eye out for it from here

"HEY.. IT ISN'T AS BAD AS 06...?"

"HA, YEAH, IT'S BAD, BUT IT'S NOT -THAT- BAD"

"YEAH, BUT ATLEAST IT ISN'T THE STORYBOOK GAMES? HAHA???"

Are people deluding themselves? why the fuck is everybody trying to squeeze in and shout "ITS ATLEAST A 6/10... ITS FINE!!!" the fuck am I witnessing, it's shit. why are you okay with average? you realizing hating on it will only give you a chance at getting something better instead of for some odd reason attempting to lie to yourself and others around you that its good

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

youtube comments

Noah Hill
Noah Hill

No doubt if dislikes were actually displayed, they'd be the number of likes x 10000.

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

You would be happy to see 3D Sonic completely vanish. Sonic Team Die and be taken over by Christian Whitehead
Yes.

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

Complaining about Sonic games being bad is like complaining that Nickelodeon is bad. Of course its bad, you arent 10 anymore.

Ian Barnes
Ian Barnes

but nick just like CN are trash

Juan Thomas
Juan Thomas

based sammy
defending b**st shit
never

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

Do you really expect anyone to read this drivel

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

Because some progress is better than no progress.

Average is not shit, whether you believe that meme or not.

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

Yeah, but just like Sonic you're not supposed to watch it after you turn 12. Might as well complain about Sesame Street or something.

Carson Lewis
Carson Lewis

Utopia isn't even open world dammit. That was a test area to show the physics. And the possibilities that can be used in full levels which is why the random slopes in certain places, or the loops, or narrow platforms or bridges, caves and labyrinth place.

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

but zero progress has been made with Forces? It is a literal step backwards in every sense of the word

Dylan Baker
Dylan Baker

2D > 3DPD

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

let's try new things
Adventure style is old, let's do new things, like AUTOPILOT
ADD BOOST WITH AUTOPILOT
autopilot boost dead, USE PARKOUR
NEW THINGS, go back and use BOOST AUTOPILOT BUT A SHITTY GAME
and rings are worthless, no lives system, no hyper form, no emeralds, no special stages, no bonus stages, no mini bosses each act1, no bosses in each zone, no NuckerZu or Tairus, Shadow onry 4 levers, bringu Metallic Sonikku back, give me writer of 06, loops are automated, no spindash, no lightspeeddash, no rolling, no drifting
reuse assets from previous games and stages!
corridor levers so people dont get lost!
WISPS WISPS WISPS EVERYWHERE! WISPS CAPSULES CAPSULES CAPSULES AND BRING THE ANNOUNCER GUY!!!
add dlc like Suppa Generic Sonikku and Suppa Chubbri Sonikku
LETS DO NEW THINGS AGAIN! LIKE PARKOUR with more WISPS WISPS WISPS

Iizuka-sama is our god and saviour

Austin Morgan
Austin Morgan

Anything better than 06 and Sonic Boom is a step forward

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

So we still have no idea how Super Sonic will be obtainable, right?

Mason Hill
Mason Hill

user

I don't think you understand what progress means lol

Lucas Robinson
Lucas Robinson

3D sonic open world, you know it has to happen, you hack.

Benjamin Jenkins
Benjamin Jenkins

Except after Generations and Mania (and yes, I realize Mania was a fan production), everyone expected Forces to be good. At least with Skyrim, people are just going to buy it for the meme

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

Will you please step down and let some fresh blood take a stab at the franchise?

Caleb Diaz
Caleb Diaz

the ramps were shit, rolling was underwhelming and no working/impressive halfpipe action.

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

Because Sonic was always shit.

Juan Allen
Juan Allen

the ramps were shit
You seem to mistaken for Forces.

Aaron Walker
Aaron Walker

I don't think you do.

I don't think you realize just how far they fell with those two games alone.

Ryder Young
Ryder Young

This, people don't understand that Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.

Landon Parker
Landon Parker

Is Christian Whitehead a good person

James Edwards
James Edwards

So your idea of progress is

"as long as we don't faill as shit as 06 and Boom, even though after those games we've made far superior games, its okay to release a slightly shit game, I mean it isn't 06/boom, but its slightly shit so its okay come on guys it isn't that bad"

?? You should expect more from who you're giving your money too and have there hands on the only people who are allowed to make a Sonic game.

This is backwards, user. You can't keep saying ATLEAST IT ISN'T AS BAD AS X SO IT'S PROGRESS. that isn't how it works. especially when they proved they can make a decent boost games after those failures.

James Cruz
James Cruz

I honestly can't tell if this is ironic or not.

Justin Allen
Justin Allen

what the fuck. that's not progress. making a slightly better game than the average doesn't save SEGA from losing potential sales. They already had 4-6 games since '06 to step into a better direction.

Jonathan Peterson
Jonathan Peterson

Sega/Sonic Team are fucking retarded. Nothing new.

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

They're not making the same mistakes as before. They're making new ones, but at the very least they're learning something. That's progress.

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

What are the same mistakes they made before that they apparently didn't do in Forces?

Lincoln Walker
Lincoln Walker

Sonic Mania is cheap
I couldn't read anymore

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

Post more Iizuka images, they always make me laugh.

Blake Parker
Blake Parker

Releasing a game that barely works, filled with unfinished features that are infinitely exploitable, all on a shitty broken engine.

Mason Fisher
Mason Fisher

How far away is the next good Sonic game?

Zachary Sullivan
Zachary Sullivan

Boom shouldn't even count due to it being made by a 3rd party but this was a direct downgrade to Generations on every level.
To say something is better than Sonic 06 is like saying it's better than Infernocop's animation

Aaron Young
Aaron Young

Holy shit my sides

Nathaniel Nguyen
Nathaniel Nguyen

What game are you referring to, Boom?

Asher Turner
Asher Turner

STOP TALKING SHIT ABOUT LIZUKA-SAN. I WILL FUCKING END YOU.

Nolan Price
Nolan Price

Just like he can ruin a franchise, am I right?

Aaron Bailey
Aaron Bailey

Except Kishimoto is the one ruining it.
http://sonic.wikia.com/wiki/Morio_Kishimoto

Iizuka is the only one with talent over at Team Sonic, once he stepped from director role the series went to shit.

Juan Barnes
Juan Barnes

Not made by Sonic Team

Asher Harris
Asher Harris

This really puts thing into perspective of how terrible a person's taste can be?

Aiden Brooks
Aiden Brooks

Will there be a Mania 2

Elijah Garcia
Elijah Garcia

exactly, so where is the progress?

Josiah Powell
Josiah Powell

You best be talking about yourself you dumb nigger because that guy hit the nail on the head. Mania is fucking dog shit.

Evan Lee
Evan Lee

06 was 11 years ago and boom wasn't mainline. The last sonic was lost world, which wasnt great but wasn't embarrassing either.

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

They're more subtle about that. It's usually,
"This game is good except for crappy parts that make up 95% of the game."

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

I love how you can tell this same user is in every thread because he uses the word slut "dog shit"

dog shit user, how bored are you to come into every thread and call Mania that? Even if it's ironic, but I know it is and can tell you love Mania, don't you just... get bored?

Brandon Gutierrez
Brandon Gutierrez

this is just perfect

Kevin King
Kevin King

This.

Lucas Moore
Lucas Moore

Read

Ryder Sanders
Ryder Sanders

In not making a game as bad as/worse than 06.

Luis Long
Luis Long

No

Joshua Gray
Joshua Gray

but tuning his gameplay to be less automated
It's more automated. They literally bragged about how automated it was.

Thomas Green
Thomas Green

worst game of the fucking 21st century so far
wow good job Sonic you haven't dropped to that level again
If anything they've gotten worse since Generations/Colors

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

I have good taste that's why I hate Mania so much. It's dog shit. Plain and simple

Andrew Jenkins
Andrew Jenkins

The absolute state of Sonic fans. I actually feel sorry for you bud. I hope to whatever degree you can enjoy Forces and continue lying to yourself that that is the meaning of progress.

Somebody fucking save these fans, dear god.

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

IT WAS HIS TURN

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

LOLOLOL MANIA FAGGOTS ARE OBSESSED WITH A SHITTY GLITCHY ROM HACK

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.
Forces is a step in the right direction for the series.

Dominic Gray
Dominic Gray

whatever you say dogshit user

I know you secretly love Mania, you're the equivalent of a tsun anime girl for a vidya game

Ayden Johnson
Ayden Johnson

When you lower your average so much with a game like 06 you have to appreciate the small victories. Colors was meh and Generations was good but the average level of the franchise is still pretty low

Austin Hernandez
Austin Hernandez

Then fuck off

Oliver Allen
Oliver Allen

Compare these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8NgbsGF9Q0 [Embed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OBe-rONR4&list=PL3EA8C6B0442870EE&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klQ2K1iZkgM&list=PL3EA8C6B0442870EE&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rtl05_8l2UA&index=9&list=PL3EA8C6B0442870EE

to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPMVGikcFTs

Forces was a step in the right direction for the series.

Justin Ortiz
Justin Ortiz

I'm not even a Sonic fan lol. I'm just able to notice objective improvement when it's made.

Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez

danke herr doktor

Dylan Ross
Dylan Ross

https://youtube.com/watch?v=CxvQbKWVjyk

Takes an autist to know how they fucked up. If the autistic man said it, it's golden words.

Elijah Morgan
Elijah Morgan

Why in the holy fuck did they remove grinding on the floor from Forces...?

Joseph Torres
Joseph Torres

No

Ethan Lewis
Ethan Lewis

Why do they keep going from 3D to 2D, I thought these were meant to be 3D games

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

So when will he hear the announcement that the mania team has been let go due to sonic team's spite and envy?

Grayson Williams
Grayson Williams

Has anyone collected all the moon rings yet?

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

WOOOOOOOOO

FEELIN' GOOD

sonic will never be this based again

it makes me think

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

Reminder that they used the engine for Lost World and converted it to play like Generations. That's why it feels so wonky and awkward.

Jaxson Gonzalez
Jaxson Gonzalez

Reminder Lost World is good.

Angel Torres
Angel Torres

Yes

Henry Jones
Henry Jones

generations' rendition of seaside hill is the prettiest video game level i've ever seen

Christopher Reyes
Christopher Reyes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Cn9Ra1kwo
Defend this

Nicholas Martin
Nicholas Martin

games that were good and had improvements doesn't count
because ....?

Best Boost gameplay is still on Unleashed
How. It's a shame Unleashed gets shit on so much due to the other half

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

"YEAH, BUT ATLEAST IT ISN'T THE STORYBOOK GAMES? HAHA???"
Thats an insult to the storybook games.
I would even go so far as to say, that beneath 06s unplayably broken engine, there's a better designed game than forces.

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

Utopia had only a few spots I can think of that impressed for giving speed on ramps, the rest were basically there for show. Even if they did have working physics, they weren't really useful or meaningful to the game.

As for quarterpipes and halfpipes, there wasn't really any gaining speed by rolling down those in Utopia. It was basically just 'look, a ball rolls a little' when you rolled down one. Very disappointing.

Aaron Brooks
Aaron Brooks

This happened last thread too. what the fuck
I'm scared guys

Caleb Johnson
Caleb Johnson

Reminder that one of and probably the only reason Boom came out as bad as it did was because of Sega's poor communication with BRB. They had to downgrade the fuck out of the game within mere months because they didn't know what hardware the game was going to be running on.

Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

It's fun.

Daniel Jones
Daniel Jones

Will I get a gf soon?

Kevin Parker
Kevin Parker

Wait, there was seriously only 3 level designers? The fuck? Is ST going broke?

Jason Powell
Jason Powell

Congrats.

Jayden Wood
Jayden Wood

Will you die before everyone in this thread?

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

This. Cryengine on Wii U was utterly retarded. It's obvious the devs originally planned for it to be on stronger/easier code consoles.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

Make me

William Sanders
William Sanders

Thats not progress when we've had 10+ years of games that weren't as bad as 06
Forces is a step back

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

Too bad the game isn't designed around this kind of gameplay

Luke Kelly
Luke Kelly

Lost World is good
No, it's not. The best thing I can say about Lost World is that the parkour system had great potential. That's what that webm shows. But they failed to utilize it properly.

Ryder Nguyen
Ryder Nguyen

I don't get it. The game is "okay" and that's a problem for some reason? It's not a great game, but it's definitely not a shitty one.

Kevin Gray
Kevin Gray

Does Sonic Team really not give a fuck? How can they shit out this mediocre piece of garbage and expect it to work out? Especially after Mania?

Noah Morris
Noah Morris

I'm not saying they don't count, I'm saying they don't bring the average state of the franchise up that much.

Cameron Perry
Cameron Perry

It's all Maniac team's fault.

Jack Richardson
Jack Richardson

Forces is better than Sonic 06 though, people acting like this game is some abomination when really it's just the epitome of mediocrity, a solid 5/10.

Michael Wilson
Michael Wilson

we will never get a generations with longer levels and a not terrible final boss
could've been the cashest game ever

William Peterson
William Peterson

Tfw I like Forces

Gabriel Jackson
Gabriel Jackson

Forces isn't as bad as 06.

Wyatt Stewart
Wyatt Stewart

Eh, it's more stable that's for sure but in terms of level design and variety it's far, far worse than 06.

Aaron Gutierrez
Aaron Gutierrez

At least it's not COMPLETE shit!
That's not really a healthy bar to go on generally.

Jackson Torres
Jackson Torres

Don't mind me, just being the peak of 3D Sonic.

Isaac Cooper
Isaac Cooper

Yeah but it's worse than every other main Sonic Team game since it

Elijah Moore
Elijah Moore

What a disaster. It's a wonder the game works as well as it does.

Hunter Perry
Hunter Perry

Did that snake just shit out Sonic?

Landon Davis
Landon Davis

I'd personally give it a 4/10. 5/10 implies the game is average and has some kind of merit. The only good thing I can say about forces is they didn't fuck up completely.

Thats not the point, 06 has been out for 10 years. In those 10 years we've had multiple games. Anyone claiming forces is progress because its better than a game from 10 years ago is delusional.

Luis Perry
Luis Perry

but it's worse than every other main Sonic Team game since it

Chase Bennett
Chase Bennett

I love that Sonic Generations kept this in the game.

Aaron Perry
Aaron Perry

Secret rings is above and beyond forces
t. sonic autist that played both on launch

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

pic unrelated

Jacob Thomas
Jacob Thomas

but it's worse than every other main Sonic Team game since it

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

Black Knight was good, you double nigger.

Isaac Kelly
Isaac Kelly

Again, you fail to post a relevant picture

John Lee
John Lee

pic also unrelated you dumb piece of shit

Ryan Rodriguez
Ryan Rodriguez

People are in denial over how much weaker the legs are for the 3D end of the franchise right now than when 06 launched. Older fan base is losing interest, their loyalty was stretched thin over a decade. People are tired of "a step in the right direction"

The next major 3D Sonic needs to be out by 2019 and it needs to be considered better than Colors, Generations, and SA2 were at their launch periods. Don't give me guff about it being rushed, all these fucking games are rushed. A game with four years of development time was rushed. The way I see it, a smaller development cycle is giving Sonic Team less time to fuck everything up.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

Because if this thread and many others is any indication, they can and will still make profit from it, just because it's his game, and it's "not 06" bad.

Charles Rogers
Charles Rogers

Me, a person of bad taste

Jaxson Adams
Jaxson Adams

Thinking Sonic Forces is better than anything other than 06 and Boom
At least you admit it

Robert Long
Robert Long

If you think Black Knight and Secret Rings were even passable you should kill yourself

Ryder Hughes
Ryder Hughes

Last Sonic game I bought was Sonic Unleashed. Sega failed to sell me on the next entries after they went all out and made a massive production in just 2008, 3 years after the 360/PS3 was out. What have I missed out on?

Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

This.

Sebastian Morales
Sebastian Morales

this piece of shit needs validation so bad he samefagged. Please kill yourself you shit taste having miserable loser.

Noah Carter
Noah Carter

Storybook series are actual average games
Forces is inbetween them and garbage like 06

Jaxon Ross
Jaxon Ross

I'd argue it's WORSE than 06. Not on a technical level, but just because it's not technically bad ENOUGH for people to really care. It aims for a D- grade. Just enough to be considered a passing grade, which has more negative consequences, since it means people with incredibly low standards like you will look at it and go "better than 06 so that must mean it's ok", giving Sonic Team more intensive to pump out lazy, low-effort crap.

06 at LEAST was enough of a disaster to force Sonic Team to do better next time in order to earn back people's trust.

There are people who will, if they could get away with it, sell you a bag of shit. Sonic Team is one of those companies that will only put in the minimum amount of effort necessary to make their shit sell, and the more we accept progressively worse games from them, that bar will get lower and lower, until we eventually are accepting of Sonic games that ARE just as functionally bad as 06.

Thomas Wood
Thomas Wood

lol you wish fag

Aaron Russell
Aaron Russell

lmao you didn't even reply to my post lmao @ ur life you piece of fuckin' shit

Christian Gonzalez
Christian Gonzalez

thanks doc

Xavier Nelson
Xavier Nelson

Because you don't deserve an extra (you) for such a pathetic post. Have a last one out of pity.

Asher Mitchell
Asher Mitchell

I love how Sup Forums is just evidence that nobody evert grows up past the "haha ur shit ... NO UR SHIT" playground insults, no matter how old you grow up.

Come on lads, pack it up, play nice.

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

They feel more inspired than Forces

Lincoln Peterson
Lincoln Peterson

Why isn't 3d sonic open world?
Because they try to do everything the opposite of what they did in Sonic 2006

Game development is weird in that they'll throw out all the ideas that went into a bad game without ever considering if the execution isn't what made it a bad game.

John Perez
John Perez

Sauce.

Michael Kelly
Michael Kelly

Obviously, it had fucking surfing on magma of a active volcano

Blake Rivera
Blake Rivera

You underestimate the populace of autism within the Sonic community.

Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

non-linear automatically equals good!

Alexander Rogers
Alexander Rogers

Too bad he has no sense of vision.

Caleb Peterson
Caleb Peterson

Refer to .

Isaiah Hill
Isaiah Hill

It's Sonic user, what have they got to lose if they try?

Jason Martin
Jason Martin

How would you fix Forces? From gameplay to story?

Christopher Harris
Christopher Harris

OH MY GOD I FOUND A BUG HOW WILL MANIAFAGS EVER RECOVER?
Please ignore shit like sonic sliding backwards up a loop

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

Id say mania is the only tollerable one. Generations was "a game" but it didnt really give anything

Asher Howard
Asher Howard

What are your guy's thoughts on Cybershell

Blake Turner
Blake Turner

Forces had no redeeming qualitie-

Tyler Sullivan
Tyler Sullivan

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Michael White
Michael White

This is true. It feels like Sonic Team doesn't even care about the franchise anymore. They just shell out these run of the mill Sonic games every few years now. Notice how every Modern Sonic game since Colors just feels exactly the same? It's like they're just a soulless game producing factory now.

At least with the early 3D games, despite being flawed, you could tell there was passion put into them. They had openings with the theme song in them and Sonic had this nice anime theme in the early 2000's that I expect is what got so many younger fans into the series. (Also Mania is like, the first Sonic game in like a decade that has a title screen opening) I really can't imagine the boost games attracting young fans the same way those games did because they just don't feel that special.

Zachary Hill
Zachary Hill

I would overhaul the entire thing, there just isn't much to salvage
Worse engine than a game from 6 years ago
Arguably the blandest, least thought out level design the series has ever had.
Story is actually DA tier

Gabriel Roberts
Gabriel Roberts

his voice was the only good thing about him

Zachary Mitchell
Zachary Mitchell

Take any boost game, slow it down to walking speed and put it in first person, and it's be distinguishable from a walking simulator.

Ian Powell
Ian Powell

>>396784084
Use 'Ctrl + S' next time.

Liam Carter
Liam Carter

https://youtu.be/8J8J7Wujzj8

Camden Jackson
Camden Jackson

They are all the same because Reviewers and Fans alike have dictated that Sonic Colors was the best game ever. If all the praise was shifted to SU instead, Modern Sonic wouldn't be in this rut. It's as simple as that. Everyone backed the wrong horse in 2008-2010.

Jace Myers
Jace Myers

His theme is alright, the rest of forces not so much

Owen Rivera
Owen Rivera

Liam O'Brian is the GOAT voice actor.

Noah Hernandez
Noah Hernandez

WHERE IS THE FUCKING CRACK

William Smith
William Smith

Sonic Team would just keep shoehorning the werehog in instead of wisps
there's no fucking winning with Sonic Team

Xavier Price
Xavier Price

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ALkQxXw63U

Adrian Diaz
Adrian Diaz

I wish they'd make a sequel to Lost World. I enjoyed it and it has a lot of great ideas that they could build and improve upon.

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

I don't care what anyone says, Infinite's theme is a 10/10.

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

Are you an idiot?
The praise Unleashed recieved is the whole reason why the Boosting games continued.

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

Unga bunga me shitpost now for (yous)

Jeremiah Lewis
Jeremiah Lewis

People praised Colors because for once Sonic Team actually did what people wanted. They said "I liked the daytime levels in Sonic Unleashed, give me a game with just those." and they delivered exactly that. It's not hard to see why Colors got so much praise when it came out. Hell, I admit myself that Colors is the game that brought me back to the series after I started ignoring it once Shadow the Hedgehog made me lose all interest and hope.

Of course now we see a lot of flaws with Colors since the honeymoon phase has passed but back then, you can't deny that it was exactly what Sonic needed. A break from monsters of the week. A break from serious plots. A break from alternate gameplay styles. We needed that in 2010

Julian White
Julian White

I don't know how anyone thought this was a good idea.

Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

All those theories about Infinite being your avatar, Tails from the future etc
He's just a random jobberino with a backstory straight outta Tails Gets Trolled

Kayden Cruz
Kayden Cruz

I wanted to like Lost Worlds. I liked the idea of a new control scheme

Evan Gray
Evan Gray

Will we get Sonic Mania 2?

Aiden Long
Aiden Long

IIZUKA HAS SPOKEN

Andrew King
Andrew King

Fag that got BTFO by Shadow in a cutscene
That's all
It's actually so awful I love it like shadow the hedgehog

Leo Richardson
Leo Richardson

in the canon comic Captain Jackal leaves his squad, joins Eggman and becomes Infinite after Eggman kicks his ass with the Ruby a long time before the game starts
in the game he and Jackal Squad already work for Eggman and he becomes Infinite after Shadow kicks him in the face
what is consistency

Oliver Taylor
Oliver Taylor

Will you seize control of Mania 2 development?

Mason Cruz
Mason Cruz

because it was another boost game with zero love put into it

I mean why try and make something fun when the same boost2win formula is going to sell the same as something thats actually good

Colton Myers
Colton Myers

As a first attempt, the Werehog was very solid. The level design got better as the game went on, and the DLC had several great levels that capitalized on the fun swingy movement. The combat was better than anything seen in Lost World, Boom, and now Forces. It could have even been removed, and levels just become platforming gauntlets, fully 3D levels, imagine that?

And got drastically worse with each entry besides Generations where it just flatlined but never reached the same highs?

Yeah and we got all that.

80%+ 2D games. Speed has been drastically reduced. Attention to detail is gone. Any attempts at story and world building is gone. Levels are modular, slowly rotating blocks. Tone has become Spongebob Sonic. No more cool final bosses. Wisps in every game. This is the NU Sonic. And this is the vision that ultimately won out the direction of the series. Was it worth it? For one average at launch game that only got worse with each passing year?

Jackson Lopez
Jackson Lopez

TrueSonicSpirit?

Eli Foster
Eli Foster

Forces is absolute dogshi-

Carter Price
Carter Price

They understand how to do 3D in boost gameplay, just look at Eggman Land, Adabat, most of the Unleashed DLC and Seaside Hill. It's just that those stages use a ton of resources to make with Sonic moving so fast which is why the slow it down with the heavier platforming 2D sections. I've suggested a solution to this is quite simple; slow Sonic down while giving a sense of speed. Unleashedf Sonic is actually slower than generations, but he feels a lot faster because of a trick F-Zero used, which is pulling the camera in closer to the character and rotating a variety of assets very fast.

Take this boost section here at 1:38
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGobge1kfjo
And the boost section here at the beginning of the stage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4OBe-rONR4

They might seem the same speed or Unleashed is faster, because of the camera placement. As long as the illusion of speed is there he doesn't need to run like a crackhead on fire.

John Allen
John Allen

Here you go, you gotta scroll down a bit now though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7s0XGo3wAs

Chase Morris
Chase Morris

And got drastically worse with each entry
If by "worse" you mean "improved the game by removing the werehog segments and placing a focus on faster platforming with less "boost to win" gameplay that was present in the day stages" then yeah they clearly made it worse you dumbass.

Grayson James
Grayson James

Was it worth it?
I'd say yes because you shouldn't put the blame on Colors, you should put the blame on Sonic Team for just blindly copying things from Colors instead of making things fresh and new. Wisps were fine in Colors but they should have stayed there. Nega Wisp was a great final boss but he should have stayed in Colors. Don't hate Colors, hate Sonic Team.

Jaxon Diaz
Jaxon Diaz

It also has fantastic music

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

I really, really dislike the television voice crew. Sonic Adventure 2 had the best voice acting all around.

Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

I wish the writing team from Colours stayed in colours as well

Jordan Green
Jordan Green

Unleashedf Sonic is actually slower than generations
Actually Unleashed Sonic is considerably faster than Generations Sonic to the point where Unleashed Sonic can actually outpace the loading of the zone itself.

Brody Baker
Brody Baker

What Sonic game doesn't though?

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

Boom, Forces

Julian Turner
Julian Turner

Forces.

Elijah Price
Elijah Price

Modern Seaside Hill
all those alternate routes
all that freedom by skillfully boosting on the water and avoiding the Mega Chomper
Why Sonic Team hasn't realized that this should be the standard for every level in the boost games is beyond me.

Bentley Ward
Bentley Ward

Forces, the bioware game, spinball

Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

You sure about that?

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnIILxcNlg0

people arguing who is the fastest Sonic

Let me show you a little thing called Unleashed Hog

Gotta go REAL fuckin fast

Jack Young
Jack Young

Are there any games that were developed by Sonic Team though?

Aaron Sullivan
Aaron Sullivan

Forces.

Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

Hmm, I smell pasta in the making.

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

Faster platforming, yeah right...go play any Act 2 in SU to see how faster platforming is handled intelligently. SU is a smart game because the creators knew the limits of the boost gameplay engine and didn't try to force Sonic into unnatural gameplay elements. The Act 1s are more immersive and impressive than anything else in the series and the other acts after carry the same feeling with a sharper focus on platforming. It got worse with each game dumbass, just accept it.

The thing that the average retard doesn't understand because they get all their Sonic knowledge from idiots like IGN and Cobimaneri (whatever the fuck that Youtube guys name is). They don't realize that ST is like being in the passenger seat with a volatile driver who once had full control but then someone (the fans) started backseat driving. So when the community rallies behind one idea but doesn't fully explain WHY they want it, they get the wrong idea and make a sudden jerky reflex. So everyone in the car is freaking out all the time instead of slowly explaining what to do at the upcoming turn or intersection. Colors was praised on every front at launch and that's the message Sega saw, kept most of the staff in their positions, and mandated they keep the design documents similar to Colors. Flat, blocky 2D levels with removed speed and movement options and Spongebob Sonic. Enjoy the series since it's not changing.

Angel Carter
Angel Carter

Forces

Blake Sullivan
Blake Sullivan

WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKK

Isaiah Diaz
Isaiah Diaz

No one on the team has any passion for Sonic anymore. They just wanna make a new Samba de Amigo or Nights or something.

Joshua Murphy
Joshua Murphy

Sonic 06
Worst game of the 21st century

Nah man that'd be Super Mario Galaxy 2. Sonic 06 is only, what, the fourth worst?

Ethan Powell
Ethan Powell

Rouge actually fucking says "Let's do it to it" in Episode Shadow

Fuck them for that, but I laughed like a motherfucker.

Tyler Myers
Tyler Myers

RANK B

LMAO WHAT

Andrew Long
Andrew Long

It's not like Sonic Team is actively going on forums and reading in-depth analyses on Colors. They're just going by the review scores and general attitude towards the game. Since Colors was the first game to be rated so highly in a long time, they became desperate to stick to anything and everything that Colors did without properly assessing what should be improved or changed.

At least the nice part about this is that if they're just going by review scores, then they'll definitely try to steer the next game away from the direction Forces went. (Hopefully in a good direction but you never know with ST)

Ryan Young
Ryan Young

Wow it's almost like there's more to a high score than time bonus, you fucking chimp.

Christopher Sullivan
Christopher Sullivan

why do you have to be mad

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

kek

Carson Brown
Carson Brown

What the fuck? I was kidding bro, the guy went fucking super sonic fast and got a B, chill the fuck out my dude good lord

Matthew Young
Matthew Young

Because you are Youtube comments on Sonic speedruns, in human form.

HURR SPEED EQUALS E-B RANK XD

Jonathan Bennett
Jonathan Bennett

making a pile of shit is better than making a wet pile of shit
yeah, but it's still a pile of shit

Jackson Baker
Jackson Baker

and didn't try to force Sonic into unnatural gameplay elements
Except, you know, the 3D platforming elements of Chun-nan that slowed down the pace of the game to a crawl oh and don't forget the poorly designed Eggmanland that clearly wasn't designed with Sonic's speed in mind at all.
The remainder of the game had barely any platforming at all and was literally boost to win.

Hmm, it's almost like they didn't really know what to do and perfected the level design in the next two boosting games!

Adrian Wilson
Adrian Wilson

You really need to calm down man.

Hudson Perez
Hudson Perez

lad, did... did somebody hurt you? I love you man, come on, chill.

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

No they didn't. They had Sonic control like a bat out of hell riding a bar of soap and the frame rate cripples entire sections of stages. They mapped the fucking air boost to the homing attack button for crying out loud.

Zachary Gonzalez
Zachary Gonzalez

Sonic CD was trash. Trying to find out which way is the correct way to go through a level was tedious and stupid.

Zachary Reed
Zachary Reed

The Act 1s are more immersive and impressive than anything else in the series and the other acts after carry the same feeling with a sharper focus on platforming.
You're not talking about Unleashed are you?
There was barely any platforming in the day levels which is why people can do shit like this

Brayden Cox
Brayden Cox

They don't, but community managers relay information they see on forums to Sega, Sega reports back to Sega Japan, and they tell ST to follow guidelines so another 06 never happens again. And the result is every modern game feeling the same. Some low effort, low energy slow basic faux 3D platformer but as long as it's not 06 or has some gimmick, it's a masterpiece. Yes, let's hope they move to something else after Forces.

poorly designed Eggmanland
3D platforming in Chun Nan is bad!
the controls don't work!
the air boost is on homing attack (even though this has never killed anyone but sub 80 IQ retards)!

Opinions of bad kids and shitters don't apply. Formulate a better response like the previous fellow I acknowledged instead of crying that anything that slows you down a little or a 3 second frame rate drop is badly designed.

Nolan Murphy
Nolan Murphy

How out of touch are they? Do they really not know how beloved the Genesis era was?

Gabriel Howard
Gabriel Howard

I bet you fucks are the same people who go "Hurr durr enjoy your future sonic when sonic 06 is bad. IGNORE THE FACT THAT THATS FROM AN EXTERNAL PERSPECTIVE ON THE GAME AND NOT FROM SONIC'S POINT OF VIEW XD I AM SO ORIGINAL WITH MY COMMENT."

Sometimes I wish all Sonicfags were fucking gassed. As a Sonicfag, I'd take the fall.

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

Time mechanic was bullshit but going right pretty much took care of your problem. Execpt Stardust speedway in particular was confusing for me.

Liam Wright
Liam Wright

Iizuka thought Mania would do terribly
It's done the best of any Sonic game in 15 years
Forces is a usual medicore 3D game
Sucks to be him

Andrew Lee
Andrew Lee

Snaking and DDT
In a fucking Sonic game

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

They probably associate it with the death of them putting out their own consoles

Logan Allen
Logan Allen

epic original opinion. CD is a brainlet filter like no other

Robert Davis
Robert Davis

The era of Sega platforms ended all the way out after Sonic Adventures, though.

Hunter Russell
Hunter Russell

Still too slow!

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

1/5

Liam Young
Liam Young

2/5

Julian Morales
Julian Morales

this looks like shit

Zachary Carter
Zachary Carter

I don't like how Hesse draws the faces, a little too Gravity Falls

Carson Brown
Carson Brown

this looks like shit

Eli Jones
Eli Jones

this also looks like shit

Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

where does this too far thing come from

Juan James
Juan James

YOU LOOK LIKE SHIT

Benjamin King
Benjamin King

His faces are way more expressive and diverse than Gravity Falls.

Jace Long
Jace Long

4/5

Kayden Hall
Kayden Hall

this as well, looks like shit

Adam Adams
Adam Adams

CD has some of the worst bosses in OG sonic
It also has Metal Sonic race my favorite Sonic Bosses Ever
I'm still very conflicted about this

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

5/5

real talk, anybody want a story time of the hesse comic mega drive collection comic?

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

this looks like dog shit
kill yourself you shit taste having piece of shit

Nicholas Rogers
Nicholas Rogers

Yeah but the eyes and mouths are drawn in a very similar style, particularly offensive are those car grills for teeth he likes a lot.

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

dog shit user

how tsun are you for sonic user?

Jose Taylor
Jose Taylor

This looks like fucking SHIT

Kayden Martinez
Kayden Martinez

Sonic Forces would have been better/ had a higher budget if it had loot boxes and micro transactions. This is a fact

Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

I read Boxer Hockey several years ago and stopped checking in on him after he stopped updating, blew my fucking mind when I saw his name in the Mania credits

Jaxon Wright
Jaxon Wright

Yes please

Asher Evans
Asher Evans

articularly offensive are those car grills for teeth he likes a lot.

That has existed for decades man, Gravity falls didn't invent it.

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

I want to _hug Tails!

Andrew Williams
Andrew Williams

Opinions of bad kids and shitters don't apply
Great argument you have there user.
Can't make an argument against facts? Claim it's all opinions and ignore them!

Formulate a better response like the previous fellow I acknowledged instead of crying that anything that slows you down a little or a 3 second frame rate drop is badly designed.
Are you an idiot?
For one "slowing the player down" and forcing them into a situation where they have to do 3D platforming like in Chun-nan is certainly not understanding the limits of the boost gameplay mainly because Sonic controls like hot ass in a 3D environment. His movements are far more gradual than the immediate response you would see in say, the adventure games.
In the case of Eggmanland the stage just wasn't designed with the boost gameplay in mind because it requires nearly frame perfect drifts on some portions of the stage or you're going to fling yourself off of the stage that or purposely decelerate to a crawl to manage it.

And again in the rest of the game it's completely flat in terms of level design with barely any variation in what you do, that's where the term boost to win comes from

Owen Gray
Owen Gray

Lads, we getting comfy, yay or nay?

Landon Nguyen
Landon Nguyen

Anything to make unlocking avatar gear not "boost in a sonic stage"

Liam King
Liam King

looks like someone's cranky. time for your nap, kiddo.

Noah Price
Noah Price

car grills for teeth
Almost every cartoon does this now.

Robert Wood
Robert Wood

real talk, anybody want a story time of the hesse comic mega drive collection comic?

Fuck yeah we do, that comic makes me smile like a motherfucker.

Xavier Mitchell
Xavier Mitchell

Dump it.

When's the annual Tails Gets Trolled dump? Lazerbot updated it a few months ago and added Sonichu as a character

Landon Bennett
Landon Bennett

I know, and I dislike it as a modern animation staple.

Isaac Gonzalez
Isaac Gonzalez

why do people like sonic so much?

Nicholas Williams
Nicholas Williams

This looks like shitty shit shit shit! It's shit! Shit shit shit!

Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

WE STORY TIME BOYS NOW.

Jaxson Price
Jaxson Price

This why won't Sonic Team just follow the open world meme

Colton Fisher
Colton Fisher

Shit taste

Jack Howard
Jack Howard

it's not modern.
at all.

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

Yes

Elijah Gonzalez
Elijah Gonzalez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJwJ35MKZzg

Lincoln Jackson
Lincoln Jackson

It must've had a troubled development. 4 years for this? Something isn't right.

Justin Gutierrez
Justin Gutierrez

let me rephrase myself, i just think the art style is dog shit. hesse is a fucking hack

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

t.lizuka

Isaiah Hill
Isaiah Hill

It had to be refocused when they cut out boom sonic.

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

let me rephrase myself by saying the exact same thing

Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

Sonic Forces might be shit but at least the soundtrack's good to listen to (until it hits one of the Classic Sonic stages, how could they even drop the ball THIS HARD? Most of the classic tracks LITERALLY hurt my hears, and I'm saying that as a huge fan of classic Sonic OSTs)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU3-h-RCT6c

Caleb Brown
Caleb Brown

I love how happy Tails looks just to go on a adventure with Sonic. He totally wants that hedgehog dick.

Christian Williams
Christian Williams

Reminder that the core issue with Sonic Forces was the fact that Sonic Team was pressured into focusing less on the avatar so things like all of Classic Sonic were phoned in and that we might've gotten a decent game if they did everything they wanted with the avatar because it's painfully clear that the avatar was meant to be the main attraction just from looking at the differences in gameplay, level design and musical quality.

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

Not reading all this shit, synopsis?

Cooper Hughes
Cooper Hughes

t. Penders

Jason Ramirez
Jason Ramirez

I really like most of the Avatar stage music
IN THE DISTANCE I CAN SEE THE LIGHT OF HOPE

Xavier Rogers
Xavier Rogers

Who doesn't hate Sonic Team?

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

7 stages of grief

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

Don't lewd the fox.

Luke Bell
Luke Bell

That doesn't explain why Modern Sonic is such horseshit.

Hudson Howard
Hudson Howard

Bad as it is, Iron Fortress is pretty catchy piece and actually sounds funny.

Julian Long
Julian Long

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auWl7F5Osz4

Tyler Edwards
Tyler Edwards

Because according to the rumors, the game was supposed to be about the Avatar character, Sonic wasn't meant to have as large a role as he does.

Tyler Myers
Tyler Myers

If Rosy the Rascal isn't playable in Mania 2 I'm going to hang my self

Dominic Wright
Dominic Wright

a game about going stupid fast that relies on split second response time isn't impaired at all by an unstable framerrate.

Please. And you are seriously going to defend the Sonic slip and slide? When Sonic is doing anything other than bolting down a corridor to sticking to a rail he controls like hot garbage. His drift radius is horrendous and extremely unintuitive. He's especially awkward in the hub sections that actually allow you to use stage abilities which demonstrates the point entirely. They effectively limited most 3D sections to shuffling you around with boost pads, safe contained corridors, places where you have to bolt or die like water running, or 3 lane rails. Nearly half of the spectacle sections are entirely automated requiring zero input and are just breathers so you can focus on aiming for the next gimmick set that throws you into another automated set of hoops and a bunch of springs.

The air boost was stupid since it's not a default skill and they introduce it later in the game after you get used to it being a whiffed homing attack. You can't use the it as an on demand jump extender anymore after that. Not that it was any good at that anyway given how they kept 2006's retarded linear line and momentum killing drop vs The Adventures and Heroes little boost and arc .There is still no defending such a retarded design decision.

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

It used to be this way back in the year 2009. Now hugboxers and pussy bitches reeee'd the fuck out of the removal of dislikes button so YouTube, and many other sites, removed the dislike functionality purely to please crybaby cunts. It's hysterical how well that turned out today.

Adam Carter
Adam Carter

Null Space makes me teary-eyed. It's fucking beautiful

Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

Rosy the Rascal
That brings back memories of the pre-Mania hype threads. Those were fucking great.

Jonathan Perez
Jonathan Perez

I would pay money for Mania DLC characters

Gabriel Gonzalez
Gabriel Gonzalez

The comic ends here. Sonic dies in the last panel. Every page is black from here onwards.

Ryan Ortiz
Ryan Ortiz

And yet in-game Null Space is literally fucking nothing and is over in like 10 seconds of double-boost-to-win

Grayson White
Grayson White

That still doesn't explain why Modern Sonic is such horseshit.
If the game was focused more on the avatar then it would have affected the avatar adversely.

Jackson Moore
Jackson Moore

I can't believe Sonic is fucking dead.

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

I adore, adore Tails reaction on the bottom panel.

"HAHA, WHAT." conbined with his face. every fucking time.

I used to dump these comics in those mania pre hype threads my dude

Isaiah Young
Isaiah Young

Sonic fucking dies

Levi Roberts
Levi Roberts

Maybe he means the stage, with the city part after.

Connor Hernandez
Connor Hernandez

Because even though they turned the focus down on the avatar, that's still where their effort went. It's not rocket science to figure out that they tried harder with the avatar than any Sonic stage, you can tell just by looking at it

Charles Gomez
Charles Gomez

Tails grabbing onto Sonic

I'm going to protect that fox.

Liam Hall
Liam Hall

We all agree that Heroes was a good game minus Team Chaotix, right?

Robert Moore
Robert Moore

That theme though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9PlBeE_ZIw

Doesn't fit the game at all.

Carson Baker
Carson Baker

Can they make a Sonic Adventure Battle 3: with an active Chao Garden yet, orr?

John Walker
John Walker

those epilogue chapters where Tails, Amy, and Knuckles are all crying over Sonic's coffin as Robotnik says "I'm glad that furry nigger is finally dead"

Jesus fucking Christ SEGA.

Ryan Flores
Ryan Flores

I'm talking about the soundtrack you fucking dork.

Brayden Myers
Brayden Myers

Literally the only two teams that matter are Dark and Chaotix.

Team Sonic is an easier Dark, and Rose is an easier Sonic.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

Nigga did you like stop doing anything Sonic related for 10 years to not know we've had 5 games after 06 that have massively trumped the quality that shit game had? Progression isn't being better than Sonic 1, nor as low as 06, it's being better than the BEST. You have to get better from your last attempt at being better, this is the natural law of evolution.

You sound like a beta talking that shit, no one is going to listen to you saying shit like that.

Christopher Myers
Christopher Myers

It was my first 3D Sonic game so I have it close to my heart. It has problems out the ass but it's still a totally playable game. Even got the true ending as a kid.

Mason Taylor
Mason Taylor

Some low key good character development in that last panel.

Liam Collins
Liam Collins

It was okay 6/10. Sometimes the grinding just didn't working
Forces is like a 5/10

Thomas Torres
Thomas Torres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ge6hqMK4iXc

I can't believe they got Raimi to direct the Sonic comics

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

He didnt get the true ending for all games as a kid

Sucks to suck.

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

And I'm talking how the game doesn't do the soundtrack justice because at most you'll hear like, 10 seconds of the track before Fist Bumping out.

Jaxson Cook
Jaxson Cook

Given that the Avatar ended up being an automated gimmicky wreck anyway I'm not sure what they envisioned was any good in the first place. Without the boost or retarded wispon abilities. An actual proper grapple and swing mechanic would have been great instead of a more elaborate homing attack. Making the wispon able to change modes to other abilities as you gather different wisps would have fixed the stages from looking like clusterfucks that have to work with a number of possible gimmicks at a time. Given how 'combat' turned out I don't want to think about how they could have fucked it worse.

Sebastian Gomez
Sebastian Gomez

Unleashed speedruns still last longer than a normal Forces level

Cooper Parker
Cooper Parker

Even if the avatar were to have a larger role that doesn't change the fact that the game was supposed to be about Sonic AND the avatar from the very beginning.
At the very least that would mean that Sonic should have had levels with a modicum of thought put into them instead of the mess that we recieved.

Robert Gutierrez
Robert Gutierrez

More like not-subtle, shit development.

Charles Barnes
Charles Barnes

Sonic confirmed HEAVY
I guess he gotta go fat

John Edwards
John Edwards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM8h2Xyis9M

Cooper Wilson
Cooper Wilson

Hedgehog that probably burns countless calories going fast
Go on a diet cause ur fat
Fuck off tails

Josiah Fisher
Josiah Fisher

somebody remove this man from the room

also, pages, this and the next

Benjamin Gonzalez
Benjamin Gonzalez

Heroes would be real nice if you didn't have to beat the game four fucking times to get the ending
If you only play Team Dark (or Sonic if you're a scrub) and refuse to go for the good ending it's easy to have a good time

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

Knuckles
What the fuck are you doing?

Landon Sanders
Landon Sanders

Its more boring.

Ayden King
Ayden King

Reaction image fucking goldmine lads, go.

Easton Lee
Easton Lee

mania actually had him thinking in crayon too

That's adorable, I love this

Elijah Wood
Elijah Wood

this gets a reference in Mania
Knuckles is the 2nd best character in the series

Aiden Baker
Aiden Baker

That KNUCKLES text
Love it.

Christopher Nguyen
Christopher Nguyen

Best page.

Nathaniel Jackson
Nathaniel Jackson

I love that Knuckles thinking in crayon drawings is canon.

Nathan Reyes
Nathan Reyes

SoA made sonic good. Compare the development of Sonic 2 and CD

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

I knew this looked familar

The real question is where do the Chaos Emeralds always go?

John Fisher
John Fisher

Shall we have any of these bro moments in the actual games, they're so endearing and nice in the comi--

sega: no

Zachary Harris
Zachary Harris

It looks similar but is different enough that it isn't a reference.

Brandon Sullivan
Brandon Sullivan

Amy smiling the whole time Sonic is holding her

It's the little things man. So much personality in every panel.

Jackson Nguyen
Jackson Nguyen

The real question is where do the Chaos Emeralds always go?
Dragonball rules, son.

Sebastian White
Sebastian White

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cE1SgGHMoc

Asher Hughes
Asher Hughes

Nah man Forces levels last TWO minutes!

Jackson King
Jackson King

Knuckles gliding down then bouncing back up
Beautiful
Brawl came out about 10 years ago
Fuck

Ayden Miller
Ayden Miller

Right, lads. We down for part 2?

Henry Walker
Henry Walker

Suck my left nut bitches pic related's campaign is the best in the game.

Xavier Howard
Xavier Howard

Of course.

James Price
James Price

t. loser

Jacob Wilson
Jacob Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYxlqTpZ-24

Hunter Ward
Hunter Ward

Too early on that music link, my bad.

Ian Collins
Ian Collins

Because Sonic Team made it. That fact that Sonic Mania was such a success just shows that anyone can make a better sonic game than Donic Team themselves.

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

https://youtube.com/watch?v=-htRDICtiJA
I'm sorry

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

why are you such a nigger?

Easton Powell
Easton Powell

What will it take for a japanese business man to admit they are wrong and step down?

Lincoln Smith
Lincoln Smith

The old president threw away all of his wealth to keep Sega afloat

Isaac Harris
Isaac Harris

You're not picturing a 3d mainline Sonic game with animated cutscenes by Hesse, just like the Mania intro on this small comic and all the characters and adventures they go on.

but, youknow... Sonic Forces...........

Dylan Reyes
Dylan Reyes

The promise of a little swim from a Yakuza member.

Elijah Ortiz
Elijah Ortiz

A western branch made the best Sonic game in years while the Japanese team make the same mediocre stuff they always do
Just like the 90s.

Mason Rogers
Mason Rogers

Tails thinking face

mfw Sonic Forces

Ayden White
Ayden White

t. loaded question asker

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

Is that turtle having a stroke?

Michael Jackson
Michael Jackson

Thanks for bumping the thread with non game related content, /co/sthg. I'm here to look at why Iizuka sucks at managing the series and should be forced back to level designing like since S3K/Adventure, not look at comics. Go back to your containment board, you fags only care about story instead of gameplay.

Parker Wilson
Parker Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9B9Fvr1ehw

fucking kek'd

Liam Cooper
Liam Cooper

It's better than trying to discuss Sonic games

Easton Davis
Easton Davis

but whats there to think about?

Isaiah Roberts
Isaiah Roberts

What will it take for a fat neckbearded NEET from Sup Forums with a bloated ego from jaded and unnecessary overly critical viewpoint on a fucking sonic game to admit he's a loser and kill himself?

Charles Hill
Charles Hill

There's nothing to actually do right now, other than wait for an inevitable sonic mania 2

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

This is actually a pretty good summary of why 4-player co-op for a normally single-player game isn't fun

Looking at you, NSMB

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

Hey, people complained about "hold right to win," and Sega addressed it.

Joseph Harris
Joseph Harris

other than wait for an inevitable sonic mania 2
Implying Mania 2 isn't cancelled because of Classic Sonic's negative reception in Forces.

Ethan Martin
Ethan Martin

But multiplayer NSMB is the ultimate Mario experience. Shit's hysterical.

Connor Bailey
Connor Bailey

What do you think will happen when the shareholders sit down and looks at the sales of the sonic A and the sonic B?

Nathan Brown
Nathan Brown

stop it

STOP dumping these comics that will never be finished

STOP IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

Parker White
Parker White

What about Super Mario 3D world?

Sonic before being captured in forces

Eli Green
Eli Green

No, 5 player NSMBU is the ultimate experience,

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

It's okay little one, we suffer together, but enjoy it while it lasts. Get comf.

Nicholas Sanders
Nicholas Sanders

please dump the one of scourge in prison next

i cant find it anywhere

Easton Hughes
Easton Hughes

I can only imagine the potential for fucking over people

Christian Mitchell
Christian Mitchell

bottom fucking panel of Sonic

kino

Blake Mitchell
Blake Mitchell

Now post the Marie one.

Matthew Bell
Matthew Bell

I have a few permanent scars from being the person with the gamepad

Christopher James
Christopher James

This thread can't handle scourge, user. Nobody can.

Leo Kelly
Leo Kelly

One thing I've always thought was cool about Eggman was how he actively participated when fighting Sonic

Levi Barnes
Levi Barnes

start flying as fast as possible out of a moving plane
falls off and dies infinitely
"wooow this game is trash"

You deserve to die like this in real life you retarded bufoon

Daniel Flores
Daniel Flores

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5-X_MY7n3c

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

suggested videos

youtube back at it again with the bullying

Hunter Nelson
Hunter Nelson

...
The music's cool at least?

Wyatt Hughes
Wyatt Hughes

Daily reminder that nothing in any of the Sonic universe, games, shows, comics, as come close to the character development in that single 2nd panel of this page. It shows off every characters personality perfectly.

instead le epic wacky chillidogs forces

Thomas Davis
Thomas Davis

Is that Sonic Crackers?

Christian Campbell
Christian Campbell

It didn't get a proper physical release on PC so I pirated it. It wasn't even worth the pirate.

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

Not even the comics :(

Thomas Reed
Thomas Reed

I ought to take some parkour lessons at some point...

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

last panel

Sometimes fast isn't everything, lads.

Oliver Jackson
Oliver Jackson

people literally did the same with generations

Lucas Campbell
Lucas Campbell

Even Sonic Heroes, the game that was specifically about friendship and working together doesn't have moments like the second panel in it

When will Sonic Team see the light, these characters can be charming as fuck with the right execution.

Alexander Martinez
Alexander Martinez

At least compare it to the last Sonic team Sonic game dip shit and not the American outsourced product.

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

Kek.

Isaiah Flores
Isaiah Flores

He may have an army of robots for grunt work and construction, but I respect that he's a real "do-it-yourself" kind of guy when it comes to his more powerful stuff

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

I can't even imagine what Sonic's next game is going to be after this tripe. I hope that Sonic Team panics at the negative reception and gets their shit together for a better game (much like from 06 to Unleashed), but they may be too retarded to even notice.

Joseph Murphy
Joseph Murphy

Maybe they'll try to upstage the Gaijin

Nathan Scott
Nathan Scott

we will never get a classic-style 3D game with character interactions like this
Why even fucking live

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

Thanks for giving me more reason to love them

Asher Ward
Asher Ward

>Eggman fucking diving into the lava and Sonic thinking hes committing suicide

Every time.

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

or just shut them down so they don't have to compare themselves to a superior product

John Cooper
John Cooper

kill yourself the characterizations in Heroes was perfect

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOI012W9-Q4

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

That why they are called sonic "fans" they eat whatever shit you throw at them.

Yes its a big fucking problem. Sonic is one of the most beloved characters and he had some really really good games in the past. Influential shit in some way or another.
He deserves something better. The problem is the people who is in charge of his games are greedy motherfuckers with no love or passion to show, they just know fans are going to buy it.

Daniel Reed
Daniel Reed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Azop8fALfY

The ORIGINAL faker, this goes beyond hype now.

Ian Hernandez
Ian Hernandez

Aw shit is it metal sonic time?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=kTl3h39abxc

Joshua Martin
Joshua Martin

last panel

Lads we're going into levels of cute no human should reach, brace yourself

Luke Howard
Luke Howard

I choose to believe this shit never happened. Waiting for the sequel to the newest, greatest sonic game.

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrfZ2yMDeOs&index=9&list=PL25231EEC685914C9

Aiden Lewis
Aiden Lewis

I feel like the player is doing something on purpose to sandbag this part but I can't be certain.

Jayden Cooper
Jayden Cooper

I just noticed that his base is literally an eggbox

Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

holy shit good idea user

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

Nope, just how the physics operate.

Joseph Torres
Joseph Torres

Holy shit

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

Time to panic

Nolan Reed
Nolan Reed

Cropped for all of your posting needs

Camden Long
Camden Long

Why doesn't SEGA just re-use Chaos again?

Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez

I wanted to believe my delusion. Fuck. I haven't touched a Sonic game since Generations [and Heroes before that] and was basically looking for more of that past experience. This is awful. I don't always want to be a ball when I launch off a ramp. Why would they let this happen?

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

and he had some really really good games in the past.
You mean only 3 good games in the classic era, with 3&K being the only real outstanding one, while everything else was shit?

Say what you will, but Sonic has more successful games in the Modern era.

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

Good lad!

Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

Because Chaos turned good after Adventure 1.

Jackson White
Jackson White

SA1 is pure kino

Thomas Thomas
Thomas Thomas

More like dormant

Anyways, Chaos was never bad. Just pissed.

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

more philosophy major drop out trash unless there's something cool they can steal from DBS

Remember Super Saiyan first appeared in April of 1991 in the manga and aired in June of 1991 while Sonic 1 came out in June of 1991 with a Super form that looks just like Goku

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw6KRkx0vNg

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

if your going to play any sonic this game this year, play mania. Don't even look at this shit.

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

Thanks, man. I was actually really debating picking this up over Mania. Like putting Mania off for a bit. But, damn, this is awful.

Dylan Butler
Dylan Butler

Ultra Instinct Sonic where Sonic powers up his base form when

Anthony Murphy
Anthony Murphy

Mania is dog shit

John Taylor
John Taylor

Wanting Zones to be rehashed AGAIN.
Holy shit, fuck off with that noise.

Oliver Perry
Oliver Perry

t.lizuka

Angel Perez
Angel Perez

More like dormant
No he literally became a good guy after SA1. Tails literally says "Super Sonic must have neutralized it, so it's nice again!"

James Perez
James Perez

while Sonic 1 came out in June of 1991 with a Super form that looks just like Goku
It's funny that you think that.

Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

Not him but if the level design is completely different then who the fuck cares what it looks like?

Aaron Reed
Aaron Reed

Oh fuck I just realized the comic fucking ends here.

FUCK

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

Tails doesnt know shit though. In Sonic Battle Chaos tries to beat the shit out of Sonic just cause he looked at him funny. Chaos is a true chaotic neutral.

Jordan Reyes
Jordan Reyes

it's not like we got "Not green hill" Zone in every sonic game.

Cooper Diaz
Cooper Diaz

Because it's a straight up rehash and unoriginal as fuck?

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

Why don't they make a new nights or something then
I'd love to see that

Robert Howard
Robert Howard

Do not read any of the spoilers in this post

To be concluded NEVER

I'm warning you, don't.

FUCKING PENDERS GOT IT CANCCELED, HE REE'D THE FUCK OUT, AND WE'LL NEVER, EVER SEE THE FINISH.

Remember how I said about not opening spoilers? I'm being 100% serious now, trust me, do not open this last one. Just leave and be happy, don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Uo0VJihCU

Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

straight up rehash
different level design
Are you retarded by any chance? It would take visual cues but the entire game would be different dumbass.

Owen Moore
Owen Moore

you do know that Sonic mirrors DBZ almost perfectly right?

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

who is penders and why did he want the comic cancelled

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

user, Super Sonic didn't exist until 2.

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

They tried that in those weird Wii games where he got other super forms

Joshua Jenkins
Joshua Jenkins

Just because you make the chocolate cake into a shape of a heart doesn't mean it's not still a chocolate cake. I want a different flavor.

Jaxson Peterson
Jaxson Peterson

What's the deal with Penders on this one anyway? What did he claim was his

Aaron Scott
Aaron Scott

Chuckles

I chuckled

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

oh yeah Sonic 1 was just the 6 emeralds that restore nature or some crap

Owen Hernandez
Owen Hernandez

Confirmed for retarded.
Your analogy would be akin to taking the level design of a previous game and reskinning it to look different.
To make a more apt analogy it's more like taking a vanilla cake and dying it brown to look like chocolate.

In other words, same look, different taste as opposed to a different look and same taste

Jaxon Williams
Jaxon Williams

open world sonic would be some kind of unholy combination of burnout paradise and jet grind radio

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

Steel Donut
My most original creations

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA9zwpMj_8A

The guy who made these comics made this animation. You're now picturing a full video game with these cutscenes.

Elijah Green
Elijah Green

I really don't understand what exactly is the problem with wanting original zones instead of just pimped out old ones you've already played before.

Lincoln Price
Lincoln Price

The Mania series has established itself as one that mostly takes old concepts and remixes them, with a few new things. The 4 new stages + drop dash is a great start for Mania 1. Every level except Metallic Madness and Stardust Speedway is shit, no amount of remixing could ever fix a Sonic CD level.

What Mania 2 should do is take levels from the Advance and Rush games. Along with 4-6 new levels and another new ability. Also add online coop and races.

Mania 3 should be the final game from the Mania series and take levels from each main 3D game and demake it into a 2D wonderland. Again 4-6 new levels and another new ability. Introduce grind races for multiplayer like SA2 did, that level was HYPE.

With their proven knowledge and success, the Mania series can now rest peacefully. But this isn't the end. Because now that Mania is done, it is finally time. Time for Sonic 5, to apply everything they learned from the Mania series, surpass Sonic 4 as the next main title in the 2D series, and make the GOTY in whatever year it comes out in. This is all a scope across the next 10 years. Sonic Team is experimenting with the 3D games like they usually do, some may stick, some may not, again like usual.

If you don't think this is the ULTIMATE path that Sonic should take, just leave this thread you soy latte sipping nu male.

Josiah Stewart
Josiah Stewart

Looks like dog shit

Nathan Edwards
Nathan Edwards

Why is Metal too good for the Sonic franchise?

Jeremiah Ortiz
Jeremiah Ortiz

Sonic Adventure 3, you know it's what we want.

Daniel Mitchell
Daniel Mitchell

This animation looks even slicker after reading the whole comic. Holy fuck Sega stop fucking around you morons.

Levi Scott
Levi Scott

I want to find you, grab you by your balding bearded glasses wearing nu-male head, and slam it on a concrete pavement repeatedly until there's nothing but blood and gore left. Your idea is shit and you should feel like shit.

Andrew Howard
Andrew Howard

infinite calm down

Easton Johnson
Easton Johnson

t. literal brain dead faggot lying to himself
That looks like dog shit and you know it cunt.

Ryan Robinson
Ryan Robinson

Amy is so fucking cute in this

Christian Kelly
Christian Kelly

you've already played before.
No shit you don't understand
You think looking the same is playing the same. Using your logic Mania's Stardust Speedway appeared in Sonic CD and both Metal Sonic boss fights are the same just because they're Metal Sonic.

Are you beginning to see the flaw in your reasoning here?

Luis Diaz
Luis Diaz

The greatest Sonic reated comic ever made is cancelled and never completed because some old guy was a fucking bitch

I never have wanted to physically harm another human over a fucking cartoon hedgehog before, but life is funny I guess.

Noah Bell
Noah Bell

Using your logic Mania's Stardust Speedway appeared in Sonic CD and both Metal Sonic boss fights are the same just because they're Metal Sonic.
It's still a rehash. You played it before and know what to expect at the end of it. There is nothing fun about going through the motions.

David King
David King

Nah. I want them to "de-make" sonic 4 into an actually good game.

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

Penders is, and I don't say this lightly, the devil.

Thomas King
Thomas King

Honestly there are some details that I didn't notice the first time around like heavy gunner's "what, me?" look and Knuckles spinning on the ring.
I have to go and play some Mania now.

Nicholas Cruz
Nicholas Cruz

See a picture of Mania
urge to play
go complete for the x50 time

god fucking damn it mrania tream

MANIA 2 ALL NEW LEVELS WHEN REEEEEEEEEEE

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

Never, Forces 2 is the future.

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

Every good Sonic related media features metal.

Sonic OVA was kino at the end.

Lincoln Scott
Lincoln Scott

It's still a rehash
How is it a rehash if the level design is completely different? You're basically saying an apple is a tomato because they can both be red.

You played it before and know what to expect at the end of it.
user, get this through your head.

LOOKING the same is NOT PLAYING the same.
Show me where in both Mania and CD's Stardust Speedway act 1 the level design is the same.

There is nothing fun about going through the motions.
What the hell are you even saying?
Are you trying to say you'd prefer the same levels with a reskin over new ones that look like old levels?

Dylan Davis
Dylan Davis

Me... afraid?
Was it autism?

Christopher Moore
Christopher Moore

I prefer all new zones, thank you very much.

Samuel Moore
Samuel Moore

I'll show you why they call me the ultimate mercenarytake this!
Did... Did they mean to blend the lines together like this?

Adam Scott
Adam Scott

I prefer all new zones
In other words you'd want something like Hidden Island 16 in Sonic Rush Adventure right?

Robert Brown
Robert Brown

I don't see your logic.

Cooper Reed
Cooper Reed

Hidden Island 16 was Leaf Storm act 1 reskinned.
No changes to the level design, just the exact same thing with a new coat of paint.

Austin Hughes
Austin Hughes

Well, you know full well I'm not asking for reskins. Just new and original zones. Stuff you aren't familiar with.

Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

MY NAME IS NOT RIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

Thomas Kelly
Thomas Kelly

you know full well I'm not asking for reskins.
You do realise you're arguing for reskinned old levels here right?

Nathan Martin
Nathan Martin

Because Sonic is what sells. So that's what they're told to make.

Matthew Ortiz
Matthew Ortiz

Just new and original zones.
spends most of his time saying he doesn't want that

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