Is he right?

Joshua Miller
Joshua Miller

Is he right?

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Jayden Hernandez
Jayden Hernandez

yes

Ayden Long
Ayden Long

No. No video game should be beaten in under 2 hours of normal play.

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

abusing the system
aren't you using the system to it's full potential at that point? you aren't really breaking any rules by doing so

Logan Reyes
Logan Reyes

No. Its the devs fault for making a shitty, short game.

Camden Rodriguez
Camden Rodriguez

I don't give a fuck, stay on Twitter

Evan Smith
Evan Smith

If you actually bought sonic forces in the first place then yes you are a piece of shit. But why do they have such a shitty system?

Joshua Hill
Joshua Hill

Man I tried to refund H1Z1 and I had never refunded anything before and had 2:30 playtime and they denied it saying I went over the 2:00 mark how the fuck do they determine this?

Levi Bailey
Levi Bailey

About Weegee being a piece of shit?
Yes.

Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

$40 for two hours of gameplay
no reason not to refund it

Luke Hernandez
Luke Hernandez

this should incentivise devs to make their game longer than 2 hours

Robert Sullivan
Robert Sullivan

incentivising developers to make games longer than the movies they try to emulate
bad

Liam Roberts
Liam Roberts

if you make a 2 hour long game that makes people want to refund it, it's your fault as a developer

Justin Hernandez
Justin Hernandez

It's on Sonic Team for being unable to create a longer game.

Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

it's another literally who Twitter thread

kill yourself OP

Sebastian Scott
Sebastian Scott

Selling a 2h47M game for 40 burgerbux.

Landon Ross
Landon Ross

All three of you are faggots.

Jordan Butler
Jordan Butler

i feel like an attention whore said something i agree with in this thread somewhere, like the first or second reply, but i can't appropriately post my agreement due to their attentionwhoredom

oh well, their loss

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

That's the definition of abusing the system.

Xavier Gomez
Xavier Gomez

makes shitty game worth less than 2hrs playtime on first run
complains that costumers would rather use that money to buy something better

Nathaniel Rodriguez
Nathaniel Rodriguez

Screw Twitter and shove your cancerous threads up your roodypoo shitter.

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

GAIS PLZ HELP HOW DO THEY KNOW I PLAYED THIS GAME FOR 2:30 I SWEAR I DIDN'T GO OVER THE 2 HOUR MARK
I seriously hope you're asking something else because otherwise please kys

Zachary Barnes
Zachary Barnes

This just makes me remember when Steam refund was a full week

Noah Harris
Noah Harris

But why do they have such a shitty system

not a single refund system exists that cannot be abused in some fashion
not having a refund system is trampling on the rights of those who are delivered a nonfunctional product

long story short the world is trash and will never improve ever

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

If I finish eating a burger and then get food poisoning, do I still not get a refund?

Jaxon Fisher
Jaxon Fisher

If a game can be beaten in full in 2 hours then it should be cheap enough and/or satisfying enough that the thought of refunding it is more inconvenient than just keeping it. If its not then fuck you i'm ditching it.

Liam Baker
Liam Baker

If you sell a 2 hour game for 40 dollars you deserve it, even if it isn't shitty (which sonic forces is)

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

I'm saying how did this guy get a refund for 2:47?

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

he thinks it's about rules and a hard definition of what 'abuse' is

someone with power is losing money and the worthless cattle that inhabit the earth are to blame. that's the lay of the land, friendo, no matter how much you may try to assert otherwise.

You are an obstacle standing between companies and your wallet.

Samuel Sullivan
Samuel Sullivan

I played a game for 2 hours 15 mins and still got a refund.

Liam Adams
Liam Adams

2 hour game
40 dollars
yeah, nah cunt

Mason Roberts
Mason Roberts

So is it worse to buy and refund it or to pirate it? Speaking just of games under two hours.

Brody Price
Brody Price

make a game under two hours long
get mad when people that are unsatisfied with having paid 60 dollars for a less than two hour long game decide they aren't happy with their purchase and refund the game, within the rules of the refund system
maybe they should make a decent game next time

Landon Fisher
Landon Fisher

if the game is done in under 2 hours it should only cost $1, not 40

Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

Well, looks like I'll be going to hell for refunding House of the Dying Sun.

William Campbell
William Campbell

food analogy

Owen Green
Owen Green

no, hes a shit player who thinks we should actually support rich companys who want to pump out poor quality games to exploit the dipshit kids who are going to buy anything with sonic in the title

sega deserves this, hope it keeps happening till they stop putting out shitty fucking boost games with zero depth

Thomas Murphy
Thomas Murphy

Any other game he would be right.
That piece of garbage? No.

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

produce a game i wouldnt want to refund in the first place

Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

No clue, but to be honest, the rules aren't set in stone, but if you have less than 2 hours and bought the game recently (should be 1 week but I'm not sure) , then the refund is guaranteed

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

shaming tactics on twitter

is there anything that will make that platform not shit?

Brody Jones
Brody Jones

buy used game at gamestop
1 week return time
beat game within week
return it
fucking shitlords destroying gamestop

Mason Allen
Mason Allen

free mobile game about pushing stickmen down stairs
reliable physics, fun for dozens of hours on the go

sonic forces
spastic mess that lasts 2 hours in a standard playthrough

Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall

Charge $60 for a 2 1/2 hour long game

You're fucking affirmative that people are gonna refund that shit

Logan Butler
Logan Butler

the system is in place, he followed the rules of the system, he's not abusing anything.

there's no rule that says you can't have a refund if you beat the game.

Jonathan Thomas
Jonathan Thomas

what about FTL?
2 hours is plenty of time to "finish" it, should you be justified in returning it?
Or is there more to replay value than achievements and checklists?

Jaxon Moore
Jaxon Moore

The best system to abuse. Used to do this all the time. Almost never took me more than a week to do everything I wanted to do in a game.

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

there's an unspoken rule that says big businesses can cry and stomp their feet every time someone dares take a cent from them that they already had

Henry Sanchez
Henry Sanchez

Free Mobile games

never in a million years

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

being able to beat a game in 2 hours
implying that's not asking for complete and total abuse from people who aren't die hard sonic fans
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. If you're in a market focused on creating content, and you're charging full price for that content it should be expected that the content will take up enough time to rack up hours. If it can't do that then it should fully expect to be abused by the system it should already be familiar with. I find this to be a great wake up call for the forces team. Mania got it right.

Henry King
Henry King

implying sonic fags don't deserve to be milked
implying this will prevent sonic fags from keeping the game
Chris Chan isn't going to return this shit, mate.

Kevin Hill
Kevin Hill

it's not Sega that is crying but some sonic fanfaggot though?

I mean i would expect this shit from any indie.

Sebastian Nelson
Sebastian Nelson

the system is in place, he followed the rules of the system, he's not abusing anything.
It is exactly what they mean when they say that they will suspend the ability to refund if you "abuse" the system.
Any system with a certain leeway, and steam refunds have that leeway, will be gameable, claiming that it is not abuse since you can do it is obtuseness on your part.

Michael Lopez
Michael Lopez

game can be beaten within refund time
Sounds like it cost too much for too little content

Jonathan Martinez
Jonathan Martinez

Im usually against refunding shenanagins even if it ultimately needs to be there in someway,
but sega just dropped the ball hard.
Your video game needs to be fun and replayable if its going to be short

Dylan Taylor
Dylan Taylor

If the game has no replayability and only lasts 2 hours it deserves to be refunded. I could've gone to watch a movie that lasts more than 2 hours

Landon Morris
Landon Morris

Yeah. Faster than light is a bad example though because its one of those games that you play over and over

Aaron Myers
Aaron Myers

you can refund games that are any length if you use offline mode properly.

Brandon Lee
Brandon Lee

If you beat it and are not satisfied enough to go back to it then yes you totally are justified.

Josiah Jones
Josiah Jones

being able to watch a movie in an hour
implying that's not asking for complete and total abuse from people who aren't die hard movie fans
There's absolutely nothing wrong with this. If you're in a market focused on creating content, and you're charging full price for that content it should be expected that the content will take up enough time to rack up hours. If it can't do that then it should fully expect to be abused by the system it should already be familiar with. I find this to be a great wake up call for the forces team. Playing all of the lord of the rings films at once got it right.

Nathan Kelly
Nathan Kelly

over 2 hours
bull shit, sorry, you get auto rejected and need to basically make a petition to get your refund

Angel Hall
Angel Hall

Chris Chan doesn't work for his autism bux

Michael Watson
Michael Watson

He's right. You can tell whether refunding a game is worth it in way less than three hours. Most of the time you only need a few minutes to know.

Camden Watson
Camden Watson

Isn't that the guy that caused drama for plagiarizing on youtube?

Jason Reyes
Jason Reyes

I don't think that's abusing the system, getting to the ending. if it was, all games would be sub 2 hours and you would be barred from having a refund on the principle you beaten it, which is shitty and they would do that.

Robert Phillips
Robert Phillips

its not about the sonic fags, the sonic fags will buy reskins of mario games with sonic in the title

sega wants EVERYONES money, but non-sega drones arent going to pay for shit and the refund thing will either force them to make something good so that everyone will want to buy it OR theyll just ignore this and accept the losses because they cant be bothered

Lucas Hernandez
Lucas Hernandez

any opinion a business holds will be defended and parroted by fanboys

another unspoken rule that's really cemented itself lately

Alexander Butler
Alexander Butler

Should have made a better game then.

Camden Hill
Camden Hill

Yes.
Just stop being a stupid pussy and pirate the god damn game

Alexander Wilson
Alexander Wilson

What's even the point of "abusing" this system? Unless you really feel unsatisfied with the game, that is. If you are doing it on purpose, why not just pirate it? It's much easier and no money and shoddy transactions are involved.

Michael Hill
Michael Hill

with trackers being put into IP more and more frequently, piracy in itself would be impossible for a few people.

Carter Brooks
Carter Brooks

check this 5

Luke Scott
Luke Scott

FTL doesn't cost 40 euros and it ha way fucking more replayability than sonic.

Jaxon Lopez
Jaxon Lopez

being autistic
See the reason it can be abused is because of the market allowing the ability to refund, because of this it's expected people who go to Gamestop or use Steam as a vendor, or whatever vendor they're getting the product from will abuse the system if it's an option, and that's expected if you're putting out a bad product. This wasn't a problem with Mania why is it now a problem for Forces? Are you telling me if you had the ability to walk out of a movie before it ended, and it was really bad you wouldn't take the hypothetical refund?

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

That's not even the worst kind of abuse when family sharing exists, lmao.

Jaxon Phillips
Jaxon Phillips

We're still a ways away from that being a genuine concern, I believe. The problem of enforcement still remains, and litigating even half of these cases would incur a substantial burden on the company.

Connor Moore
Connor Moore

Considering how easy it is to just pirate a game, yes, you are a huge faggot if you do this.

Evan King
Evan King

It's a case by case basis. Lucky people can get it refunded past that point, if you're an unlucky person who gets shit on disproportionately by life you won't get it refunded.

Jeremiah Campbell
Jeremiah Campbell

Why does having beaten the game mean anything? Just bcause you beat it doesn't mean you have to think it was worth the money you paid. If I buy a 40 dollar game that turns out to have so little content its over in 2 hours I'd refund it too

Eli Wright
Eli Wright

Dropped out of highschool lol

Jacob Martin
Jacob Martin

yeah but all they need is one AI that "learns" and it's curtains for them.

David Ward
David Ward

Fuck off.

Aiden Wood
Aiden Wood

if it's a singleplayer game with no replay value or multiplayer,and you can beat it in 2 fucking hours, you can bet your ass i'll abuse that. if they didn't make shit games thennit wouldnt be an issue.

Jace Parker
Jace Parker

I personally think that's awesome

Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers

No because in the case of Sonic Forces the game can literally be beat in 2 hours or less.

Daniel Peterson
Daniel Peterson

There are games with so much replay value but normies don't understand this, they also don't understand the pleasure of beating one's own personal score. And of course anything foreigner to them is considered "autism".

Dylan Gray
Dylan Gray

buy a game from wal-mart
beat it
return it
is this worse?

Blake Sanders
Blake Sanders

you are a bad guy if you refund a terrible game

Dylan Bell
Dylan Bell

buy Long Dark in early access
play about 60 hours of it because of how slow it is
comes out of early access
explain why it's shit and I don't want it
had it well over 2 years
refund goes through just fine

You should be able to refund anything at any time. Companies should worry about customer loyalty and the quality of their products rather than muh preorders.

Jackson Lewis
Jackson Lewis

Buy burger
Eat burger quicky
Sir, I would like my money back, this burger did not last long enough
NO? Then I would like to speak with the manager
Hello manager this burger was of non-satisfactory length
What do you mean I already ate it, that's not the point.
Well how am I supposed to know how long this burger lasts if I can't eat it?
Why don't you demos then you fucking piece of shit, a little taste?
Hey don't touch me you filthy cops!
REEEEEEEEE

Nathan Bailey
Nathan Bailey

I've come to the conclusion that Twitter is still alive simply because the retards on Sup Forums are obsessed with getting screen caps about garbage from absolute no one's.

Oliver Scott
Oliver Scott

If a game is a piece of shit with no reason to replay it and it can be beaten within 3 hours, then it deserves to be refunded.

Nicholas Allen
Nicholas Allen

Yay another twitter literally who screencap thread.

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

to be fair, Twitter does the exact same thing with Sup Forums screencaps.

John Sanders
John Sanders

food analogy
Food analogies don't work because you don't buy licenses to rent food

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

buy burger
shit it out
freeze it and use it as a dildo

Evan Thomas
Evan Thomas

You clearly don't know how the system works and have never used it. Under 2 weeks and 2 hours means your refund request isn't reviewed, just automatically accepted after a small period of time. Any longer and you can still request, you just have to explain why because it'll be under review instead of just accepted.

Cooper Walker
Cooper Walker

aaa I can't stop thinking about his broken collarbone

Brayden Turner
Brayden Turner

This

Ethan Ross
Ethan Ross

If you make a game that lasts less time than a lot of movies, you better price it like it lasts less time than a lot of movies.

Jonathan Perez
Jonathan Perez

My fucking god, are you stupid? Abusing in this case means literaly "not as intended". Do you think this rule was made to be utilized as a free pass on games, if they are short? No, never in their right minds would they willingly create such a stupid rule.

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

SMO is a 1 hour game, can I refund that?

Sebastian Bennett
Sebastian Bennett

$40
less than 2 hours of content

Joshua Smith
Joshua Smith

Yeah you should if you don't plan on putting more than an hour into it

Ryder Garcia
Ryder Garcia

when did you buy it

Juan Martinez
Juan Martinez

You can beat Nuclear Throne in under 10 minutes yet I have almost 200 hours in it.

Terrible argument.

Charles Jones
Charles Jones

DON'T MAKE A GAME THAT LASTS UNDER TWO HOURS

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

you probably wouldn't have much trouble selling it full price to someone with decent taste

Hudson Cook
Hudson Cook

spend 4 years making a game
2 hours long
little replay value
$40

Mason Russell
Mason Russell

roughly 1200 hours into games i don't own

god bless ex-roommates with bundle addictions

Matthew Long
Matthew Long

companies no longer want customers, they want money

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

Guess what? Two fucking words:

store
credit

They have your money. They still won. But you should use every advantage you have, trying new games for a week for only $60

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

Depends on the price of the game.

I'd feel bad refunding a game I beat in 2 hours if it only cost a few bucks in the first place. $40 for a two hour game is excessive, that's worse than cinema pricing.

Easton Martin
Easton Martin

I've gotten a refund on games I've had like 4 hours in before.

Owen Sanchez
Owen Sanchez

no

Ian Sullivan
Ian Sullivan

If I payed matinee price to see a film that didn't last a half hour and got my money back because the refund policy is walking out before 45 minutes, and it felt like I was ripped off, am I an asshole?

Eli Ward
Eli Ward

Not him, but here in New Zealand at EBgames the refund time is two weeks and you get cash back.

Jackson King
Jackson King

Play a game
It's not fun
It hasn't any replay value
It's shit
Quickly get rid of it
I don't see any problem.

Easton Turner
Easton Turner

Personally imposed challenges aren't 'normal game play'. I agree that anyone can find more value in a game if they look, but the subject at hand is that I paid $40+ for a game and it is beat in less time than what I'd make to pay for it, it's bad.

As others have mentioned FTL, for example, it's not a very long game, rng could work in your favor the entire way of a single play through making it really short, HOWEVER, the game isn't a high profile title, it doesn't cost $40, and it's draw is challenging the various play styles available.

In the end, it's the user to determine if their money was well spent. Refunds are available for that reason and it's poor game development to have a game that can be beaten in 2 hours, of normal game play.

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

This. I have about eight hours in it and I haven't beaten it yet. With Spelunky I have like 60 hours, I did beat it a while back but I haven't done the temple of gold run yet.

Daniel Cooper
Daniel Cooper

Fuck the system I'll do what I want

Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

I can't beat a japanese porn VN by scrolling through all the text and enjoy only the meat in under 2 hours.
There's no good excuse by which your "game" can be beaten in under 2 hours beside you being a lazy ass.

Julian Bennett
Julian Bennett

that much money for two hours of content

Fuck Sega, i'd refund the fuck out of their game laughing all the while I did. Don't price your games so high and people will be less likely to refund.

Isaiah Rodriguez
Isaiah Rodriguez

if i played under 2 hours and i want to refund it, valve has given me that right
i dont care about this abusing this system bullshit that indie numales complain about when people refund their two hour walking sim soyventure.

Nicholas Rogers
Nicholas Rogers

I have no problem with 2 hours long games. I have a problem with 2 hours long games with no replay value.

Connor Torres
Connor Torres

if i played under 2 hours and i want to refund it, valve has given me that right

You're right but it still doesn't change the fact that what you have done is fucked up and if I found out any of my friends have done this I would seriously judge their character.

Luis Clark
Luis Clark

That reminds me, how many unique stages are in Forces anyway?

How is it fucked up? You're a customer and you're dissatisfied with the product, it's your right to have the choice to return it.

Lucas Gutierrez
Lucas Gutierrez

Well, that explains why you don't have any.

Owen Johnson
Owen Johnson

Shelter is a great game and it's 1 hour long.

Ayden Diaz
Ayden Diaz

i dont care about you or you're faggy friends though
maybe give me a reason to to refund your shitty indie game, like making it fun, and ill care

Christopher Diaz
Christopher Diaz

judging someone's character for a refund they have the right to

Oh shut up you pussy, go suck mega corporation cock somewhere else.

Josiah Sanchez
Josiah Sanchez

virgin loser posts a screencap of twitter and thread fills up

Are you the virgin loser in the twitter screencap? Delete your life.

Cooper Price
Cooper Price

If it literally takes you less than 2 hours to complete a game, you have every right to refund that garbage

Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

literally says $39.99 on the image
You're still right, even at $40

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

buy used game from GameStop
beat it within a week
refund it
Good shit.

Jaxon Cox
Jaxon Cox

i returned the new south park game because it was a glitchy piece of shit and i managed to get the plat trophy in one sitting without even trying and if me, a retard manages to do that in an RPG then you know its a shit game
stick of truth was so much better at least that took me more then 10 hours to finish

Austin Diaz
Austin Diaz

wait, the whole game main mode is less than 2 hours?

Nathan Sanders
Nathan Sanders

Nah, if your game's under 3 hours it deserves to be refunded.
Also, Sonic Forces is shit, it deserves to be refunced.

James Sullivan
James Sullivan

There are about 25 stages that are less than two minutes each.
What do you think.

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

a game thats 2 hours long isnt worth owning. it's the developers fault.

Robert Butler
Robert Butler

I'm with this, I don't understand the whole "if you refund you are a piece of shit" thing, I remembre as a child at the local videogame store and having one week to return or change the game for any other of the same price for any reason as long as I had the receipt.

Maybe I was just lucky and not every store worked like that. but meh, if the new sonic is less than 2 hours and shit as it is I'm ok with people refunding it

Christian Myers
Christian Myers

Why are people so quick to call others shit? Oh no he maybe abused a refund system for a video game I guess he is irredeemable as a human being.

Gavin Peterson
Gavin Peterson

Just like Sonic 1

I don't see the problem?

Ayden Gomez
Ayden Gomez

No, Sonic Forces isn't worth giving SEGA money for.

Xavier Perez
Xavier Perez

beating FTL in 2 hours on your first playthrough
Honestly, if you manage to pull that off you deserve the refund just for being really good at the game

Gabriel Cox
Gabriel Cox

Sonic 1 was a game made over 20 years ago.

Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

I think the caveat to this is "no game with little to no reputability should be beaten in under 2 hours of normal play". There are plenty of short games that are meant to be played multiple times (Tetris for example).

Levi James
Levi James

Tetris isn't really a game that you beat though.

Caleb Jones
Caleb Jones

uses a qt anime girl as a profile pic
girl
ha ya right

Lucas Murphy
Lucas Murphy

Nigga he paid for it & beat it so yeah he shouldn't have refunded it.

Sebastian Torres
Sebastian Torres

Most Tetris games base mode end after some number of lines. That said, there are other examples. Star Fox 64 is meant to be beaten multiple times, yet one play through is very short.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

You really don't see the problem in the most recent game in the series being shorter than the first game they made for it?

Xavier Green
Xavier Green

he never beat tetris
laughingrussians.jpg

Asher Cox
Asher Cox

whenever you hear a big company doing something bad and they get zero punishments for it, that is basically what you just said. They "broke" what seems to be a rule but based on written laws and politics they actually did not so they walk away scot free.

Nolan Anderson
Nolan Anderson

Yeah you can reach the end of Tetris but that doesn't mean you've beaten the game because it's based around a high score.

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

Is it seriously 2 hours?

Leo Taylor
Leo Taylor

FTL is a game that can be beaten in under 30 minutes, depending on the ship used, player competence, and RNG factors.

The thing that really prevents it from being victim to the "under 2 hours gameplay" meme is the fact it has multiple ships and layouts that force replayability and push it into the 4-8 hours range.

Jeremiah Myers
Jeremiah Myers

LESS than two hours.

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

Nah, I had a game like this on my iPod Touch back in 2009 I think. I think it was called Ouch or something, and you could even make custom levels and customize what face the character makes through various stages of pain. I forget what the gameplay was like exactly.

Hell, there were plenty of decent free mobile games back when I used to play them, even though their production values would make them a laughing stock nowadays. And though it wasn't free, I think it was $1-$5, I still don't know of a better tower defense game than Field runners.

Actually the vast majority of the games I had were super cheap or free. Even a decent online FPS. Are mobile games generally not free anymore?

Owen Sanders
Owen Sanders

From all the poor reviews and glitches reported, is a complete Sonic Forces experience even worth the price of entry?

Andrew Murphy
Andrew Murphy

If you can get it for like $5 then sure.

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

no. the amount of letters it allows you to type promote some of the shittiest hot takes imaginable.

Landon Phillips
Landon Phillips

Yes.

Yeah yea
le fuck sonic :D lmao xD
I know Let it go just this once, you fucking troglodyte.

Beating some game on steam and then refunding afterwards isn't ok.

Isaiah White
Isaiah White

Metal Slug would be better if it was +8h long

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

5$ seems pretty good for an OC sonic creator for the sole purpose of shitposting

William Jackson
William Jackson

You can reach the end of a game without beating it
Whoa, shut the fuck up.

Ryan Torres
Ryan Torres

Just another sonic spam thread

Landon Garcia
Landon Garcia

game is too short

valid reason to refund, except in your peabrain

Hunter Peterson
Hunter Peterson

i guess he was too fast

Eli Williams
Eli Williams

Only if Sonic Forces was a budget title anf reflected the short game length honestly.

If someone honestly bought the game expecting 5-10 hours of gameplay only to finish it easily within 2 hours, I would expect them to feel ripped off.

On one hand I feel it's a bit scummy to buy a game with the intention of refunding it, on the other hand if your game only offers less then 2 hours entertainment with nothing to keep people hooked for more it deserves to get shit on. Unless it's some sort of super cheap budget title maybe?

Carter Smith
Carter Smith

I'd rather list Stanley Parable as an example.

A "game" that can essentially be beaten in 15 minutes but there are various paths to take that it's worth replaying just to see them all.

Juan Cook
Juan Cook

they return your cash if you used cash, idiot

Nicholas Ward
Nicholas Ward

Agree with this.

Aiden Perry
Aiden Perry

If you believe you are "done" with FTL after one play through then you probably weren't going to be happy with the rest of the game anyways

Matthew Mitchell
Matthew Mitchell

big 80s hair
That version of Bulma in the avatar is the best one, fyi.

Michael Howard
Michael Howard

The ONLY criteria for the refund system is if you have not owned it for a period of time. There is nothing else. There is no, "Oh, also you can't get achievements" or "If you also played multiplayer mode, you can't get a refund" or "If you beat the final boss, you can't get a refund".

It's only "You can get a refund as long as you have not owned the game within a certain number of hours" and that's it. The guy played Forces, beat it within the given time, then decided it was not fucking worth it to have spent $40 on a game that can be beat in such a short time with very little replay value and took that as a reason to refund it.

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

ITT piratefags pretending consumer rights apply to them

Benjamin Parker
Benjamin Parker

yes

Dominic Thomas
Dominic Thomas

No one who beat NT did it on their first run.

Samuel Scott
Samuel Scott

for some reason they made super sonic DLC instead of unlockable even though there's fucktons of things to collect

Gabriel Brooks
Gabriel Brooks

No. Steam and Sonic goes together like autism and autism.

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

In law there are two things. The spirit of the law, and the letter of the law. He is violating the spirit.

William Cooper
William Cooper

So according to this logic games like Bayonnetta are bad and Final Fantasy is good.

Ok.

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

made Super Sonic DLC
Nothing changes beyond his look

Nathan Phillips
Nathan Phillips

>>396875274
I care, you faggot, there are top tier Bulmas and there are bottom tier Bulmas, and 80s hair Bulma is top tier.

Liam Fisher
Liam Fisher

>>396875274
this
if steam refunds are a problem for devs, they should just remove the ability to refund. in actuality they are actually good for devs on average through encouraging a "money back guarantee" if the player doesn't like it

anyone who actually cares about this besides the devs is just virtue signalling for attention

Aiden James
Aiden James

either deal with it or keep crying about it on twitter, faglord

Robert Reed
Robert Reed

If your game can be beaten in under 2 hours, costs $40 and has no replay value, I won't feel bad when people do this to you.

Hunter Sanders
Hunter Sanders

Buy game off Steam to see if it will run since their servers are faster than pirating
If it isn't shit, refund and pirate

Nicholas Sanders
Nicholas Sanders

I want to fuck the shit out of DB Bulma. Hottest one desu.

Matthew Cooper
Matthew Cooper

should you be justified in returning it?
Sure, if you don't like having fun.

Sebastian Myers
Sebastian Myers

>>396875274
you, apparently

Jeremiah Green
Jeremiah Green

>>396875274
Autism

Ayden Gonzalez
Ayden Gonzalez

/v/ is telling developers to needlessly pad their games so that they can't be completed in under 2 hours, including small cheap indie games that are still part of the same rule

Lucas Thomas
Lucas Thomas

This
And all it would take for you to have sex with her is to have a Dragon Ball

Zachary Bailey
Zachary Bailey

Wahh WAHOO BING BING *collects moon number 487*
HYAAAAH *beats mini-dungeon number 49*

Woah nintendo?!

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

If you can't squeeze more than 2 hours of enjoyment out of a game than you do deserve your money back

Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

A lot of games from the 90's could be beaten in under 2 hours on normal play. Hell, I beat Cuphead in under 2 hours on my first play through. Not all games have to last you days to be good.

Isaiah Russell
Isaiah Russell

no
get fucked

Jacob Cox
Jacob Cox

I bought the new Bubsy, recorded myself beating the new Bubsy, uploaded said video, made $500 in ad revenue in 24 hours, then refunded the game.

Fuck you.

Asher Hughes
Asher Hughes

using the system as intended
abusing the system
No amount of analogies will ever penetrate this sort of braindead anti-consumerist stance. If you paid for a service, and said service failed to deliver within the refund system's limitations, you are within your right to get your purchase back at the cost of the failed service being revoked to you. Good games will never be affected by this "issue" to the point where it becomes a problem, because good games tend to stay bought and are replayed from time to time.

Jace Watson
Jace Watson

Why does someone using best bulma as a profile pic have to be such an idiot

Alexander Thompson
Alexander Thompson

Idk man waiting for a crack and paying $0 for an OC Sonic creator is a better deal

William Kelly
William Kelly

yes

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

He's right.

Dominic Wood
Dominic Wood

Weegee bought the game, knew he was going to dislike it, streamed himself speedrunning it, then returned it. That's abuse of the system. If he went in blind then maybe I'd feel for him, but he knew what he was getting in to. Anyone who disagrees is just trying to be edgy or contrarian.

Adrian Johnson
Adrian Johnson

I'd put dragon balls in her ass while i'm dragging balls on her face

Charles Reed
Charles Reed

Playtime: 2 hours 47 minutes

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

The game had every right to make him change his mind and keep it. I guess the game wasn't good enough to keep.

Blake Martin
Blake Martin

Yes he was right to refund Sonic Forces.

Brandon Jackson
Brandon Jackson

menus, cutscenes, and repeating failed stages
His final clear time was one hour and six minutes.

Adrian Young
Adrian Young

If sega puts a sub 2 hour game on steam, then they know that people will refund it. They're not forced to use steam, ergo who cares

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

If you sell anything in EU you must give refunds to anybody if they want one within 30 days of purchase. Includes online sales.

Jonathan Reyes
Jonathan Reyes

Buy game knowing you're not going to like it
End up liking it and having a great time
Don't refund the game
Oh but wait Sonic Forces was shit

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

I got a refund for a game that I played for over 2 hours, but it was because of a bug near the end of the game.

Jacob Stewart
Jacob Stewart

Didn't Steam come right out and say eventually the 2 hour thing was to filter out shitty devs with games that are less than 2 hours?
/thread

Jacob Bailey
Jacob Bailey

This will only encourage devs to pad their games with useless shit to make it seem longer.

Evan Barnes
Evan Barnes

Actual owner of that Twitter there

You have good taste so I'm going to give you a chance

If I bought a music CD, played it on my radio station and made ad revenue from people listening to and around that record, then returned it, is that not wrong?

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

That's what people said when the refund thing first started

Jaxon Stewart
Jaxon Stewart

I would add that no game above $15 should be beaten in 2 hours, it's okay for some games to be short, but not when they go for $40

James Collins
James Collins

Yep. Once again, Sup Forums is stuck on the side of autistic retardes just to be contrarian.

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

Don't they already do that? If anything, they're going to blow all their budget on the first 2 hours of the game and not care about anything after that.

Bentley Rivera
Bentley Rivera

Good thing Twitch isn't a radio station, video games aren't music, and you radio stations can't just buy CD's to replay on the radio.

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

You don't "finish" a game by beating the final boss. You finish it when there's nothing left to do and it's no longer fun. If you get less than two hours out of FTL (a good game) then yes you deserve a refund.

Ryder Campbell
Ryder Campbell

he broke the spirit of the law

oh lol lol and lol, send his ass to court then.

Jose Rodriguez
Jose Rodriguez

hi welcome to mcdonalds can i take your order
"yeah I'd like a bigmac please"
sure here you go
"wow that took only like a minute to eat fully, a good dining experience should last longer than that, i want my money back
"-b-but you ate the burger and enjoyed it sir"
sorry, policy is if my dining experience doesn't last longer than 30 minutes I am entitled to my money back, I will be returning this burger to you please check the bathroom to confirm

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

I guess trouble kept him running faster

Jack Ward
Jack Ward

The comparison is valid though
He made money off of somebody else's (potentially misguided) work that he now hasn't paid for.

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

Why do people defend such huge companies like they're friends or something?

Christian Anderson
Christian Anderson

No wonder games are shit these days. Too many babies refunding their games for being too short. And because of that we have these long boring games.

Evan Torres
Evan Torres

Well let Sega sue him then. Sue him for all 1-2 dollars he made from people who don't have adblock.
Unless you're talking about subs, who usually don't subscribe to twitch streamers for the game.
All in all I'd say he made a smooth 10 or so dollars profit.

Oliver Cox
Oliver Cox

not all twitch streamers make cash.

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

Because I have this idea that people should pay for a product if they got something out of it, whether it be enjoyment or profit
Weegee got profit out of it
He should not have received a refund, simple as

You sound like a 16 year old who wants everything for free, no offense

Angel Torres
Angel Torres

post ocs you made

Jack Gutierrez
Jack Gutierrez

If you find yourself dissatisfied after managing to beat a game in 2 hours, when you feel it should've been longer, I think it's completely fair to refund it with the existing steam refund policy.

Carson Diaz
Carson Diaz

Weegee does

Nathaniel Stewart
Nathaniel Stewart

I can't think of any good game that lasts less than 2 hours.

It's fine to believe that but acting like the moral arbiter for the company is a bit weird.

Oliver Ramirez
Oliver Ramirez

Long boring games
Ok let's put it like this
Sonic Forces takes 2 hours to complete and costs 40 dollars. That's 20 dollars per hour that you get to play the game. Now, that's including Menus, Pauses, Load Screens, Etc. Someone in the thread said his actual time playing the game was a little over an hour.

What in God's green fucking Earth would YOU pay over 20 dollars an hour for?

Kayden King
Kayden King

file a lawsuit if it's such a loss of profit.

Nolan Ross
Nolan Ross

People aren't refunding because they finished the game, they're refunding because Sega clearly didn't finish Sonic Forces.

Joshua Collins
Joshua Collins

I can't think of any good game that lasts less than 2 hours.
Gimmick indie RPGs like Space Funeral, but they're free.

Lincoln Clark
Lincoln Clark

What in God's green fucking Earth would YOU pay over 20 dollars an hour for?
A flight to Hawaii or just a general holiday.

Juan White
Juan White

The only reason Steam allowed the refund to go through in the first place is Sonic Forces didn't even fucking work at launch.

Anthony Barnes
Anthony Barnes

Any extreme outdoor activity. Or an extreme series like Sonic the Hedgehog.

Michael Flores
Michael Flores

(You)

Michael Young
Michael Young

If you got to Hawaii and it turned out your vacation planner didn't include any of the amenities that were promised and you had to sleep in refugee tents and battle other patrons for your fucking bed, would you maybe consider asking for a refund for your holiday?

Andrew Nguyen
Andrew Nguyen

If you're measuring a game's value by how many hours you can get for it's cost then you probably have money problems and shouldn't be buying games. Games back then used to be 60-100$ and some were less than an hour long and that was fine.

Evan Brooks
Evan Brooks

I can't think of any good game that lasts less than 2 hours.
There's a ton on nes, snes, genesis, and even ps1.

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

Sure.

Jaxon Hughes
Jaxon Hughes

That was fine
It wasn't fucking fine, there are people who have built their entire careers going back and talking about how the gaming industry in those days wasn't "fine". You've made it abundantly clear you've never spent 60 dollars on an hour long game, because if you did and you weren't pissed off, you're a cuck

Justin Ross
Justin Ross

Such as?

Charles Gonzalez
Charles Gonzalez

A lot of games "back in the day" that could be completed in under an hour required a lot of time investment before you could actually beat it in under an hour. Like SMB could be beaten in under 20 minutes if you know what you're doing, but you'd only know what you were doing after many hours of playtime.

Samuel Long
Samuel Long

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CORPORATIONS :'^(

Landon Reed
Landon Reed

No one playing any of those games blind would beat them in under 2 hours.

Jacob Garcia
Jacob Garcia

FTL is a roguelite. The nature roguelites just like their parent, roguelikes, is their replayability. It goes beyond those conventional playthroughs.

Brayden Davis
Brayden Davis

Are shitty devs/publishers STILL trying to make this meme a thing? Make shitty games, convince stupid twats to buy it, ???, profit. Now that the consumers have a way to combat shitty games, shit devs/publishers are whining about how they can't scam autistic children with their parent's credit card. I fucking guarantee, if it was possible to definitively know I would fucking bet, that the people who are trying to beat games in under two hours then refund them are a trivially small minority of people using the refund system that it's not worth worrying about them. It's like how combating piracy is more expensive than piracy supposedly costs the various media industries, but dumbshits do it anyway and make it worse for paying customers. Consumers have rights, get over it.

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

A lot of games "back in the day" that could be completed in under an hour required a lot of time investment before you could actually beat it in under an hour.
If you're a retarded baby then yes.

Grayson Watson
Grayson Watson

You beat Super Mario Brothers the very first time playing it in under two hours
Really

William Reed
William Reed

2 hours 47 minutes
most posts in this thread rounding down to 2 hours

Andrew Wright
Andrew Wright

No, I didn't say anything about SMB. I'm talking about other games.

Kayden Hill
Kayden Hill

His in-game completion time was about an hour an a half, meaning he spent almost an hour in menus and loadscreens. Given previous sonic titles, I'd say loadscreens.

Carter Rivera
Carter Rivera

Like what user

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

Like Mega Man and Sonic.

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

i feel like the game's load times aren't bad at all. more likely it was cutscenes.

Jason Martin
Jason Martin

Sonic I could see, which means Sega has a history of making games too short. I guess it goes with the territory of being "fast". Not an excuse.
Also, fuck you if you expect me to believe you fucking beat the original Megaman in under 2 hours on your very first playthrough.

William Gomez
William Gomez

bro if you can beat the flagship in under 2 hours *I* would give you whatever you spent back on it because clearly you're a fucking wizard or something.

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

You didn't beat any megaman or sonic game under an hour unless you were abusing save states, and even then I doubt it.

Jace Sullivan
Jace Sullivan

no the game was shit

Jose Hill
Jose Hill

FTL is a rogue like and the majority of it's value is in its replayablity, shit example dude.

Ethan Lopez
Ethan Lopez

Considering the world record speedrun for Megaman 100% is a little over an hour and Any% is 36 minutes, if he could beat megaman in under 2 hours on his very first try he may well be a huge liar.

Benjamin Morgan
Benjamin Morgan

past a certain price point yeah no doubt. Very rarely does a game come along that charges a lot for less than 2 hours and actually manages to justify it.

Lucas Martinez
Lucas Martinez

A
FUCKING
FOOD
ANALOGY

Sebastian Evans
Sebastian Evans

Not his fault the game wasn't entertaining enough to keep him playing for more than three hours :^)

Oh wait, that does sound like a game he didn't like, so maybe he was entitled to that refund :^^^^)

Bentley Adams
Bentley Adams

when you finish HS or stop being a neat. you will realise gameplay time adds 0 value to a game and can even detract.

Xavier James
Xavier James

Mega Man being hard is a meme. Anyone with half a brain can beat it in under 2 hours on first play through. It might be justme though since I grew up with games like Contra and Battletoads, not pussy shit like Mario 64 and Halo.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

It doesn't even make sense given the context of the argument it's supposed to be fighting against.

Gavin Russell
Gavin Russell

But user, McDonalds is meant for consumption while in a car, or in a short time frame.

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

Tetris is technically free, and the definition of beating it is loose.

So no you're just a retard. Drop out of school cause you aren't learning anything useful.

Gavin Carter
Gavin Carter

neat
phoneposter detected

Tyler Ramirez
Tyler Ramirez

I beat a megaman game on my first playthrough in under 2 hours

No one believes you, so just stop.

Logan Ross
Logan Ross

You're getting fucking annihilated by

Tell you what, livestream yourself playing megaman right fucking now and beat it first try in under 2 hours. I mean, you've already done it, you can do it again right? Livestreaming on Youtube is easy and can be done with a toaster.

Joseph Cooper
Joseph Cooper

A lot of beat-em ups.

Dylan Wilson
Dylan Wilson

frankly this. You can have your 2 hour game but if its costing me anymore than 10 dollars it better be a fucking good game to justify that length.

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

So, it's not a 2 hour game than.

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

There's a reason those have fallen out of popularity.

Henry White
Henry White

A terrible genre based almost entirely on arcade coin eating operations.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

play game
its already over
don't feel like going back and playing for better ranks/unlocks

Completely understandable.

Matthew Butler
Matthew Butler

The refund system should just change. You should lose a percentage of the actual product post return and not get taxes back either.

There are plenty of amazing games with 24 hours of content. Hell, less than 8 even.

This system is also causing people to create games with annoying and pointless padding so you can't do this.

Everyone suffers.

Hunter Mitchell
Hunter Mitchell

see
this is absurd. I'd rather pay $40 for two good hours than 120 mediocre ones. Retarda like you are why games (especially JRPGS) lack effective editing.
It's got over 100 hours of riveting pallete swaps and spam attack grinding!
Yeap. What you going to do about it?

Charles Foster
Charles Foster

I can't think of one game that had to pad its runtime to reach the TWO HOUR mark just to prevent refunds. If you have to pad your runtime just to hit fucking two hours your game is probably shit anyways.

Gavin Turner
Gavin Turner

$20 a person to watch Dunkirk in imax
its over in 2 hours
Should i demand my money back? It was an awesome experiance, but clearly it needs to be 6 hours or else I deserve a refund for arbitrary reasons.

Mason Barnes
Mason Barnes

I'm sure there's a bunch of shitty fucking walking sim non-games made by pretentious fucks that would do scummy shit like that.

Jaxson Jenkins
Jaxson Jenkins

unplayable should be the only reason steam accepts refunds. that and abusive bans from devs.

Asher King
Asher King

But those games aren't AAA titles featuring characters and made by a company that's been around since the golden age of gaming.

Xavier Carter
Xavier Carter

1993?

David Ward
David Ward

Hell no. if you didn't enjoy the game, you have a right to refund it. If you liked it, you wouldn't want to refund it, you'd want to play it again.

Angel Flores
Angel Flores

if you think the product sucks you have a right to return it. Thats true for virtually every other good on the market, why not video games?

Oliver Clark
Oliver Clark

Sonic Forces was unplayable for the first few days.

Oliver Russell
Oliver Russell

yeah, but the onus is really on Steam to design a system that isn't so easily abusable

relying on trust instead of tried-and-true checks and balances is never a good way to design a system, in any context

Evan Gutierrez
Evan Gutierrez

Mega Man speedrun is 18 minutes, so under 2 hours would be too easy to do especially considering I've played the game many times.

Oliver Carter
Oliver Carter

sonic forces is not an awesome experience. it's a roughly average experience.

Joseph Davis
Joseph Davis

Guess I was looking at the Megaman X speedrun WR's. Alright big man, you proved me wrong once, do it again. Livestream yourself beating Megaman in under 2 hours right now.

Logan Hill
Logan Hill

if you order pizza, and then eat half the pizza, you can't return the rest of the pizza for a full refund

Mason Hughes
Mason Hughes

it shouldnt be. the internet fucking exists. Dont believe you can return used movie tickets or anything unless you are full soccermom
then thats a valid reason to return it.
same rules apply. You are not entitled a 10/10 experience everytime you open your wallet.
in fairness if you are buying a sonic game you know its shit and probably like it anyway.

Justin Smith
Justin Smith

The problem is games aren't exactly an easy thing to quantify. Is an ASCII game not worth anything since it doesn't use UE4 with high tech bloom? Is the typical AAA schlock worthless since its mechanics are laughably pathetic compared to said ASCII game? Does the game have to be completely unplayably broken, or does it only have to have a few large bugs? Are 400 small bugs equal to 5 massive bugs? What about multiplayer? Is """""""toxic"""""" community a justifiable reason for refund? You obviously didn't have fun if you hate the community.

If you order a pizza, eat half a pizza, and discover a massive, half-eaten bug inside said pizza, you are well within your rights to ask for a new pizza or your money back.

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

You can, I have, and probably will again because the only nearby pizza place is shit but my friends keep insisting we order from them.

Julian Flores
Julian Flores

but I duplicated the pizza, they still have the original pizza

Benjamin Miller
Benjamin Miller

you can't justify a shitty comparison with >muh gamer entitlement

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

The problem is that the 2 hour game is also mediocre.

Bentley Evans
Bentley Evans

Buy a sonic game to see if its shit
It's shit
lol you should've known it was going to be shit now they have your money you're not allowed to get your money back if it's shit

Samuel Roberts
Samuel Roberts

not even defending this burnt steak but if you buy a dinner, eat it then ask for a refund, you're a piece of shit who is abusing the system

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

If you order a pizza, eat half a pizza, and discover a massive, half-eaten bug inside said pizza, you are well within your rights to ask for a new pizza or your money back.
But that is a faulty product. Nobody is arguing against that. The argument is if you didn't like it or did but finished it and didnt want it anymore.

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

you can't duplicate a pizza

Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers

the refund policy doesn't have a streaming clause

Matthew Wright
Matthew Wright

I know you're proud to have your first job but you're really letting it cloud your judgement. There's a wide fucking line between a JRPG with hundreds of hours of mandatory grinding and a single player game you can beat in 2 hours on your first try. Somewhere within said line is where the sheer amount of content goes from beneficial to detrimental, and it's nowhere near the game that's charging 20bux per hour.

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

t. Christine Chandler

Benjamin Kelly
Benjamin Kelly

Depends of the price. If i wanted to buy some kind of arcade game that would take at least half and a hour to beat and costs $10 then they shouldn't refund anything.

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

Company puts a rule in place
Gets mad when you make use of the rule

Owen Torres
Owen Torres

This is why food analogies don't work, and why they should kind of work for video games.
Order food
Entire purpose of ordering food is to eat food that tastes better than what you wanted to make
or
Entire purpose is to get food faster than what you could make
If the food tastes bad or takes too long to get to you, the purpose of ordering the food is void and so too should be the charge.

Jose Jackson
Jose Jackson

it's not Valve getting mad at this.

Michael Flores
Michael Flores

you can make your own game, it'll just be shit because you're bad at making games

Connor Stewart
Connor Stewart

No, good video games should take you more than 2 hours to beat, or, alternatively, should make you want to play them for longer than 2 hours overall.

Aaron Richardson
Aaron Richardson

It's mcdonalds getting mad at their own policy

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

Nah, I don't need to prove myself to some random on the internet. But it's funny that you think beating Mega Man in under 2 hours is such a difficult task. It reminds me of the time someone on here said level 3 on Battletoads was hard and I said it wasn't and he too told me to stream myself beating it which I did on my first try. So i'm not something so pointless again.

Liam Hall
Liam Hall

I'd rather pay $40 for two good hours than 120 mediocre ones.

I payed 20 dollars for a couple good hours of Cuphead, but that's a quality game i played.

Ryan Allen
Ryan Allen

Apples to oranges, but that is a standard runtime for a film. That is not a standard amount of content for a AAA game.

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

This is why food analogies don't work.

Aiden Green
Aiden Green

Sup Forums only understands food analogies though

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

thought good job until i checked out the vod from the stream and found that this weegee the god guy is literally a DSP clone obnoxiously shouting shit like 'WOW YEAH I GET IT SO COOL SONIC' and 'WHAT DO I DO THIS IS SO DUMB' so he's still a massive faggot.

Jose Phillips
Jose Phillips

Bet you can't do it again

Brandon Hall
Brandon Hall

well yeah you have more money and time then brains clearly so its not like it wasnt going to be parted from you anyway. I guess you could correct this with demos and trials.
that has nothing to do with viable reasons for a refund.
so if you demanded a refund for every movie ticket, even the Emoji Movie, if it wasnt a 10/10 you wouldn't come off a bit entitled?
Stanley Parable is good and short. I honestly have so little time these days I see short as a possitive. If a game is articially short, or unfinished its annoying. But I dont think time really weighs in to the quality of a game without context, and more games are padded than overcut.
there is no "standard" and shouldnt be one.

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

food analogy

mcdonalds doesn't sell food from all the other restaurants in the world, it's a terrible analogy.

Valve put the rules in place, and 100s of existing companies are affected by this practice. thing is, because of the EU, Valve absolutely needs this practice or else they risk no longer being legally operable in that area.

Jackson Brown
Jackson Brown

Sup Forums only understands how to shitpost

Connor Wood
Connor Wood

Nigger read the comment line, I'm saying his analogy is fucking garbage dumbass.

Wyatt Reed
Wyatt Reed

Isn't he the guy that stole an entire video and called it as his own?

Owen King
Owen King

so if you demanded a refund for every movie ticket, even the Emoji Movie, if it wasnt a 10/10 you wouldn't come off a bit entitled?
this thread is about sonic forces. it's more like if you watched and enjoyed lots of movies, and then you watched the emoji movie, and you wanted a refund on it because it was shittier than expected.

Christopher Cruz
Christopher Cruz

i just want food analogies to stop. i can't tell if their fucking serious or just FUCKING

Nolan Bailey
Nolan Bailey

such a hassle
just pirate the game and then buy it if you like it
or don't

Joseph Wright
Joseph Wright

Why wouldn't I be able to? I did it when I was 6 and I can still do it now.

Blake Watson
Blake Watson

If a company says you can refund a game that has less than 2 hours of solid gameplay then it's a viable reason for a refund. How do you not get this?
If you don't ask for a refund for a garbage movie then you're an idiot. You'll at least get to go see another movie, which makes the 20-40 dollars you spent worth it.
I bet you can't

Jordan Reyes
Jordan Reyes

But I dont think time really weighs in to the quality of a game without context

Neither do I, I'll regularly play RPGs that last dozens of hours if not over a hundred but thought Alien Isolation overstayed its welcome at around 15 despite loving the game on the whole. But beyond the genre the cost of a game also fits into that context, and $40 for a game that lasts 2 hours is absurd unless the game offers heavy incentive to replay it numerous times.

Luis Ward
Luis Ward

I feel like Steam is in such an obvious situation to prevent abuse its ridiculous that they don't. Like bestbuy has to grin and bare scammers cause they dont know for sure and it looks bad. Steam has 10x the problem because betas aren't as intimated by it not having to deal with people. However they should just only let you do it so many times, or if you own X amount of other games or play x amount, monitor play patterns how they played it etc to decide.

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

policy is
It literally isn't, though.

Alexander Scott
Alexander Scott

Rules clearly say if you play the game for less than 2 hours you can refund it
Weegee's total gameplay was less than 2 hours because Valve's not retarded and generally doesn't count loadscreens and menus
Abuse
He didn't fucking break any rules

Lucas Wright
Lucas Wright

"id like burger"
sure here
its so small you can eat it in one bite
on top of that its rotten
you spit it
hey my food its rotten
sorry sir heres your money back

Owen Stewart
Owen Stewart

Work within the guidelines of the system
WTF YOU CAN'T DO THAT
fuck off idiot

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

You're a scammer because you refund games you have less than 2 hours in because they told you you can refund games you have less than 2 hours in
go back to your shitty unity game, faggot indie.

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

the problem is the company is valve not Sega. if Sega set the policy whatever. but Sega has to deal with Valve who fucks them over here to scammers. Then to add insult to injury they pretty much instantly get paid for games and refunds can fuck them. its not like a physical retailer who acts as an itermediary.
if you dont ask for a refund for a garbage movie
holy shit you actually do this? god damn i feel sorry for your local theatre. god damn.
then you watched the emoji movie, and you wanted a refund on it because it was shittier than expected.
it clearly wasnt tho. everyone knew it was shit before they saw it. advertising accurately reflected this. I knew Forces would be shit when I read Sonic.

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

scammers
stop posting retard
If you don't want people refunding your shit game don't sell it to them on the platform that allows them to refund it.

Kayden Anderson
Kayden Anderson

You're acting like Sega doesn't fucking know Valve's terms of service and policies before letting them publish their game on the platform. Like the refund system is taking them by surprise. If they were actually worried about the game getting refunded they could
Make the game not on Steam
Or how about fucking
Make the game LONGER THAN 2 HOURS

Gabriel Edwards
Gabriel Edwards

See here's the thing, I ask for a refund for shitty movies but I leave before the movie is over, because it's shit. I can do this because I know a movie cannot be shown in theaters unless it's a specific runtime or more.
Video games are not fucking movies.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

Defending Sega when they packaged Sonic 1 (not even the good port) with Mania because they didn't want people to be able to refund it when they discovered it included Denuvo that Sega wrongfully left off the store page
Back to japan, Iizuka.

Dylan Moore
Dylan Moore

yes, but returns are in place for examples of, broken, faulty, misrepresented, or the wrong product.
If he intended to return it when he bought it it's clearly abuse.
For example, bought Nier automata day one. after almost 2 hours of it breaking for me I said fuck it and returned it. thats what the policy is for, If he succesfully completed the game he clearly didnt have a problem.
does the refund have a "it was cracked so now im gonna pirate it" or " it was a throughly made game I enjoyed and thought was worth the money, but I beat it so now I might as well accept a refund."
I dont care if you like short games or hate them. But if you dont like them just dont buy the game. this is more moronic then the "I pirated it because its a bad game" argument.

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

weegee
fuck that piece of shit, that faggot used to actively shill here

Benjamin Hill
Benjamin Hill

He did? How long ago was that? Because I really don't remember that, but I could see him do it

Michael Morales
Michael Morales

Valve effectively has a monopoly. Companies have no choice but to play ball or go console exclusive. Valve sets policies that are good for them, not publishers.
Howlongtobeat.com

Carson Harris
Carson Harris

FTL is RNG trash. A game where you can be screwed before you even start playing isn't worth your time.

Juan Russell
Juan Russell

Game I enjoyed and thought it was worth the money but I beat it
Thing is he didn't fucking enjoy it and think it was worth the money otherwise he would've just kept playing it and wouldn't have refunded it. Generally speaking you keep games you really enjoyed and play them again. He didn't want to play it again, it wasn't worth the money, he didn't enjoy it, he refunded it because Valve said he fucking could.
Speedruns are a good indicator as to how long the average person takes to beat a game
Wow you're actually a faggot aren't you

Aaron Howard
Aaron Howard

yes, but returns are in place for examples of, broken, faulty, misrepresented, or the wrong product.
If he intended to return it when he bought it it's clearly abuse.
http://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/
You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.
It doesn't matter. Valve will, upon request via help.steampowered.com, issue a refund for any reason, if the request is made within fourteen days of purchase, and the title has been played for less than two hours. There are more details below, but even if you fall outside of the refund rules we’ve described, you can ask for a refund anyway and we’ll take a look.

Jayden Cook
Jayden Cook

does the refund have a "it was cracked so now im gonna pirate it" or " it was a throughly made game I enjoyed and thought was worth the money, but I beat it so now I might as well accept a refund."
Show me where valve says you can't do this.
But if you dont like them just dont buy the game
So I should pirate it, got it.
This fucking nigger actually thinks any pre-release information is trustworthy

Lincoln Rivera
Lincoln Rivera

You can request a refund for nearly any purchase on Steam—for any reason. Maybe your PC doesn't meet the hardware requirements; maybe you bought a game by mistake; maybe you played the title for an hour and just didn't like it.

William Brooks
William Brooks

Howlongtobeat
speedruns
Maybe if you have fucking downs

Jose Morales
Jose Morales

Yea, thats what my post already said.

Jeremiah Turner
Jeremiah Turner

I can experience a full 2 hour movie for about $10 at the theatres. why should I not be entitled for a $39.99 refund for a 2 hour video game experience?

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

My bad I genuinely thought he linked a different site.
But look at the games on this site for a second.
Mario Odyssey
11 hours
South Park
16 hours
Even fucking Portal 2 which is just a puzzle game still has 8 hours of gameplay.
Being able to beat a 40 dollar game in under 2 hours is beyond pathetic and is absolutely grounds for return.

Benjamin Torres
Benjamin Torres

Being able to beat a 40 dollar game in under 2 hours is beyond pathetic and is absolutely grounds for return.
Oh yeah I'm not arguing against that, just funny to see it called a speedrun site.

Anthony Rivera
Anthony Rivera

Yeah like I said I thought he linked something else, my bad. I expected him to be a faggot so much that I automatically assumed everything he did was faggotry.

Dominic Richardson
Dominic Richardson

didnt enjoy it and didnt think it was worth the money
he is being obtuse. I wont like sonic forces. So i didnt buy it. and I didn't grt 75% in and say GEE MAYBE ITS STARTING SLOW. if he actually thought it would be great and didnt know he was at the end of the game he is a fucking retard and should be treated as such. The problem with our society is we defend dipshits, assume fairplay and put safeguards for retardation because the customer is always right. How about just dont buy sonic if you want a good game?
Speedruns are a good indicator as to how long the average person takes to beat a game
it has options for normal runs, speedruns? and doing extras its incredibly accurate.

Alexander Diaz
Alexander Diaz

fucking fraud get off this website please

Lincoln Robinson
Lincoln Robinson

How long do you have to refund? Is it really that easy to fly through and refund it? I was thinking about pirating it once it was cracked, but if it's that easy I might just do this

Josiah Bell
Josiah Bell

if you are going to do this, at least just pirate. Its less harmful than refunds after the fact.

thats why Im saying they should update it. not every publisher is a billion dollar AAA that can take these hits.

Noah Bell
Noah Bell

the obvious solution to refund bitching would be to set custom limits for games too close to 2 hours in length, but to still have a minimum playtime so people can't shit out 10 minute long visual novels
it would also help if steam had a better way of checking if you're playing than to see if you have the game open, since i've had some unplayable games i can't refund since i spent over 2 hours troubleshooting and waiting for loading screens that never worked.

Jackson Walker
Jackson Walker

if he actually thought it would be great and didnt know he was at the end of the game he is a fucking retard and should be treated as such
who are everybody who bought MGSV

Luke Williams
Luke Williams

See, I don't know if I'll like Sonic Forces, so I buy it knowing that Valve has a refund policy in place if it's shit. I play it for a little under 2 hours just to be absolutely sure. Unfortunately for Sega, this under 2 hours of me trying the game out is all it took to finish the damn thing. Am I satisfied with my purchase? Probably not. If the game is great and has replayability, sure, but that's not what's going on. I refund the game because there was so little content I was able to do it all in the 2 hour span of me trying the game out.

Christian White
Christian White

not every publisher is a billion dollar AAA that can take these hits.
Companies should fail if they put out a shit game that people don't feel was worth their money. Sorry nigga that's capitalism.

Zachary Thomas
Zachary Thomas

Being able to beat a 40 dollar game in under 2 hours is beyond pathetic and is absolutely grounds for return
nobody will beat sonic forces in under 2 hours in a non-speedrun without skipping cutscenes

Christopher Collins
Christopher Collins

If the game is more than $5 and there's so little content or replayability that you can beat it in under 2 hours, a refund is pretty much compensation for you getting conned.

Eli Rivera
Eli Rivera

Not every publisher makes a full fledged 40 dollar game that takes less than 2 hours to beat.
Are you fucking stupid that's what this whole god damn thread is about

Evan Robinson
Evan Robinson

Yeah, it's a total bitch move even though Sonic Forces doesn't last as long as it should.

Connor Jackson
Connor Jackson

they should just disable refunds on all denuvo games. if you buy one, you're a retard with low standards and shouldn't get your money back.

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

See, I don't know if I'll like Sonic Forces, so I buy it knowing that Valve has a refund policy in place if it's shit.
This, has everyone fucking forgotten when demos existed?
nobody will beat sonic forces in under 2 hours in a non-speedrun without skipping cutscenes
His time was 2:47 including cutscenes. Valve thought this was enough and issued a refund. Get fucked Iizuka.

Carter Green
Carter Green

They put out a demo on consoles that was a minute long, and you could still beat the level in that time if you were fast enough.

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

Forces doesn't have Denuvo, Iizuka didn't want to sabotage his own game like he did to Mania.

Evan Clark
Evan Clark

No, his time was 2:47 of total runtime. His ingame time was like an hour and forty five minutes. Steam doesn't show your actual playtime, just how long the game was running. So 2:47 includes menus, load times, cutscenes, credits, etc.

Bentley Gomez
Bentley Gomez

if you feel done with FTL in 2 hours yeah the game isn't for you.

Julian Ross
Julian Ross

Are you fucking stupid that's what this whole god damn thread is about
what game are you talking about besides forces? you're complaining about a hypothetical game that costs $40 and takes less than 2 hours, tell us what game you mean.

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Forces doesn't have Denuvo
http://store.steampowered.com/app/637100/

Camden Young
Camden Young

If you can beat a game in 2 hrs and return it for your money, that is literally being a smart consumer.

Is is shitty?
Fuck no, if you have the skill to beat a game that fast then kudos to you.

Now if a dev legit made a 2 avg hour game, the devs can get bent for all I care.

Anthony Powell
Anthony Powell

I'm talking about Sonic Forces you fucking nigger

Eli Cooper
Eli Cooper

Exactly why refunds are an even better system, you don't even need to play the shitty vertical slices that the company provides you with.
Essentially what I was getting at, just didn't list everything.

Nolan Foster
Nolan Foster

be book reviewer on YouTube
order a book from store, costs about average for a hardback novel
store has a 3 day return policy
get book, it's incredibly short, you finish it in a day and it wasn't a good read either
upload video about the book, make $ from views
return book and get a refund as per contractual agreement with the shop
There is literally nothing wrong with this. Businesses add return policies to increase consumer trust and boost sales. They know exactly what they're getting into when they do a no questions asked return policy.

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

because valve's review process isn't discriminate enough to go watch if some dipshit recorded himself playing the entire game and then refunded it

Xavier Hughes
Xavier Hughes

Thing is, skill had nothing to do with it. Game's just short as fuck.

Daniel Gonzalez
Daniel Gonzalez

Being able to beat a 40 dollar game in under 2 hours is beyond pathetic and is absolutely grounds for return
it doesn't sound like it, user.

Adrian Harris
Adrian Harris

I disagree

Brody Collins
Brody Collins

Did they add it after the fact like they did with Mania? I swear that wasn't there before. Either way it's a shit game and isn't worth a cent.
Implying you can't send a screenshot of the in-game gameplay timer because games almost never include menus and cutscenes

Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

Isn't there a 2 hour limit? What kind of $40 dollar game is only two hours?

Charles Long
Charles Long

it was only moderately over the 2 hour limit, on top of being a shit port a lot of people are refunding because they actually can't play it. that's why it went though. so many people refund it that they don't have time to give a shit.

Ian Murphy
Ian Murphy

Sonic Forces
Bulletstorm

Thomas Clark
Thomas Clark

Cade is my fucking homie. Love that fat son of a bitch.

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

This isn't abusing the system, this is how it's supposed to be. There's no reason needed to refund a game - If you want to refund the game and meet the requirements to refund it, you should be guaranteed to get one. It's not the same with cars or food or beds or clothes or whatever analogy you want to use.
If it's a digital game being purchased and refunded, there isn't any cost to anyone involved. There is not any degradation to the product for others. There is nothing being consumed or lost. It's not a lost sale to the developer, and it's not a lost cost to the buyer.
I'd understand if it was a physical copy that could get damaged so the store would lose end up losing money in the process, but this is a digital game. If the prerequisites for a successful refund are met (less than 2 hours, less than 2 weeks) then no reason is needed for a refund. Claiming anything else is anti-consumer.

Jace Barnes
Jace Barnes

he didn't meet the requirements, he played for longer than 2 hours. that's the root of complaints.

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

There are more details below, but even if you fall outside of the refund rules we’ve described, you can ask for a refund anyway and we’ll take a look.
Runtime =/= Playtime

Joseph White
Joseph White

If a game can be beaten in under the refund time, and you decide after seeing what it has to offer that it's a piece of shit you never want to play again, then you absolutely should be within your rights to refund it.

For a game to work for this trick, it has to be
a) a piece of shit not worth actually owning
and
b) so devoid of content it can be beaten in under 2 hours, so i's not worth the price.
Forces happens to be both.

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

kek. Ill concede MGS as a rare exceptiom here but that was more than 2 hours and I don't see people dying cause they cant refund.
See, I dont know if Ill like Sonic Forces.
then you are legitimately braindead. Coincidentally this makes you more likely to like Sonic. but to your overall point. I was saying close abuse. But you are making a case for demos,not refunds. if you are uncertain research. But still not like it. but you'll live.
You can have a job and still let Sup Forums ruin your life.

Mason Scott
Mason Scott

What reason should I put for my request for a refund for PUBG? It was fun for a few hours but I'm just not that satisfied with it.

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

cutscenes are part of a normal gameplay experience and cannot be subtracted from playtime to justify your refund

Mason Cook
Mason Cook

But you are making a case for demos
The game had a demo that restricted you to a single minute of playtime. You actually trust the fucking company trying to sell you the product to provide accurate representation in their demo?
Tell that to valve, Iizuka.

Isaiah Cooper
Isaiah Cooper

you don't have lasting interest in the game and no longer enjoy playing it, and don't feel like the time you played it justifies the price

Brody Rivera
Brody Rivera

The system is working as intended

Luis Jenkins
Luis Jenkins

this is true if you dont know how refunds work.
sorry thats capitilism
agreed, if nobody BUYS your game fail. if tonnes of people BUY your game. you should get to keep the money.

Blake Edwards
Blake Edwards

actually defends having no refund option in an industry that does nothing but lie
Dark Souls 2
Watch_Dogs
MGSV

I could list so many more but you're too fucking stupid to waste time on

Landon Rodriguez
Landon Rodriguez

Want to make decisions for myself
Utilize legitimate systems in place that allow me to do so
Legitimately braindead
???

Grayson Hill
Grayson Hill

this is true if you dont know how refunds work.
But user, according to Valve (who issue the refunds), that's exactly how they fucking work

Hudson White
Hudson White

You actually trust the fucking company trying to sell you the product to provide accurate representation in their demo?
no. But that's why I didnt buy the game like a retard. Fuck me right? self responsibility is for fags.

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

good fucking luck beating FTL on your first try in under 2 hours, I have over 20 and still can't beat that flagship fucker

Brody Foster
Brody Foster

valve is accepting most refunds for forces because it was literally unplayable at launch. they don't care what your runtime is. you could probably clock 9 hours in it and say it doesn't run well and still get a refund because they don't care.

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

Then why do you buy any game? How do you know it's going to be good before you play it? Is your entire history of gaming just dumb luck?

Daniel Jenkins
Daniel Jenkins

There's literally a fucking refund button so you have the option to get your money back if the game is shit. You have 2 hours to decide whether or not you want to keep the game. If that's not personal responsibility I must be fucking losing it.

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

oh ok, valve employee, thank you for explaining the review process you were a part of

Isaiah Morris
Isaiah Morris

Yall trying to defend sonic forces, real talk?..... Why? It's fucking horrible and just an autism simulator for people to make their fursonas. Oh that's right, the majority of Sup Forums is 15-19 year old furries.

Luke Hernandez
Luke Hernandez

so you've played it?

Dominic Morris
Dominic Morris

Not that user, but I did, I played it for about 45 minutes and then refunded it because I didn't like it. I didn't realize how close I was to the end of the game honestly.

Hunter Wilson
Hunter Wilson

Nope. It got a what, 5/10? If I don't like sonic ontop of it having a really low score, I feel like that's not even worth renting.

Chase Murphy
Chase Murphy

congrats on using the refund system correctly

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

So if I go to McDonalds and buy a burger and eat in in like less than a second I can have my money back?

Eli Myers
Eli Myers

research and not preording like a retard. Some games are disappointing, but not enough that i need a refund.
its a sonic game user.
there are fees, and overhead pertaining to processing that is pushed onto publishers with physical sales. its like credit card chargebacks. it costs money. seriously just pirate it.
stop strawmanning me. Watch_dogs was falsely advertised and was unplayable day one. Tonnes of valid refunds. MGS V is buyer beware and isnt even shit till like 10 hours in, so are ypu not screaming on the streets you didnt get your refund? IDK about DS2. my point was never refunds are inherently always bad.

Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

This
I can sympathize with $5 indie titles that advertise themselves as bite-sized being hit by the refund system in this way. I cannot sympathize with a fourty (40) american dollar full-ish release that can be beaten in 2-3 hours.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

If I don't like sonic
why are you in a sonic thread?

Owen Ward
Owen Ward

Buy game and not like it, refund it
You should've known it was shit why'd you even buy it

Don't buy game
Anon you can't know if its shit unless you play it

Anthony Ortiz
Anthony Ortiz

If the hamburger wasn't complete and lacked content you payed for then yes, you get a refund.

David Evans
David Evans

different people express different opinions
woooow stop being hypocrites

Adam Richardson
Adam Richardson

not preordering

Look if I know I like burgers I'm not going to wait until I get to the counter I will order the burger in advance. Nothing wrong with preordering.If you know you like burgers then it's not a huge issue.

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

Abusing what? Consumers have the right to refund if they didn't enjoy the game and/or isn't going to play it any further.

The only reason you may want to keep it is because of the achievements and challenges afterwards, and some people aren't into that.

Colton Phillips
Colton Phillips

I'm friends with the guy who made that post, Cade 'WEEGEE_THE_GOD'.

Gabriel Gutierrez
Gabriel Gutierrez

There have been good Sonic games. I tried the game out to see if this was one. It wasn't.
Weegee used the refund system correctly. He didn't VIOLATE ANY RULES

Colton Brown
Colton Brown

that's a good reason.

Nathan Wood
Nathan Wood

i have to pay for a shitty burger because i ate it

Shill

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

Food analogies

Robert Bell
Robert Bell

wow this loser has 200 hours on that game lol
see I have 175 hours
Welp I guess time flies when you're autistic

Landon Garcia
Landon Garcia

finishing a game and deciding you don't like it is not the purpose of the refund system. sonic forces is consistently mediocre, you don't need to play all of it to know what you're getting. this is a guy that saw his playtime after beating it, and tried to get a refund so he could brag that he beat the game and refunded it.

Jaxson Cruz
Jaxson Cruz

finish eating my burger
hmmm the quality wasn't very good i don't think that deserved my money
get refund for it

same thing

Juan Moore
Juan Moore

preordering
lmao no winder you need valve to wupe your ass for you. the game iant going away week 2. You dont need to buy a game before anyone knows if its good or not just to get a shiny digital McDonald's toy with it. How many times to people need to get burned before this bites them in the ass.
there havr been good sonic games
there havent. 3D sonic has an even worse record. And even Sonic fans knew this one was especially shit. I dont know how you were blind sided I really dont.

Tyler Green
Tyler Green

Stop
Yes and he didn't violate any rules in the process. Valve SPECIFICALLY STATES you can ask for a refund for LITERALLY ANY REASON.

Juan Jones
Juan Jones

man i heard this burger fuckin sucks i'm gonna buy one anyways
hey give me my money back, this burger is exactly how i expected it to be
i'm gonna post about this later

Cooper Foster
Cooper Foster

I forgot Sup Forums doesn't like Sonic now.

Ryan James
Ryan James

get burger
sesame seed is a little crooked
get refunded

preorder burger
it's good

There ya go

Mason King
Mason King

this. its the equivalant of picking a burger because you see hair in it. Taking 30 bites and then asking for your money back because you are too full for a new one.

Aiden Kelly
Aiden Kelly

it's not against the rules for you to buy a snickers and shove it sideways up your ass but it's sure not why they make snickers

Gabriel Cruz
Gabriel Cruz

Games with little replay value and under 2 hours of content aren't worth $2 by the "$1 per hour of game" rule.
Even by shooter campaign standards, the price per hour of campaign is ridiculously bad.

Should've been $20, max.

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

Burgers are video games
You gonna bitch on Twitter and spend all night arguing that I shouldn't be allowed to shove it up my ass?

Blake Brown
Blake Brown

How is it a bitch move, it's very clear that you can refund any game played for less then 2 hours.

What's wrong with simply using the system (that was put in place specifically for this kinda shit).

Sega charging $40 for a game that doesn't even have 2 hours of gameplay on the other hand...

Julian Collins
Julian Collins

trusting reviews

I would rather experience the burger myself and form my own opinion, nu-/v/

want a burger
costs $2
eat it in like 10 seconds
wtf $2 for only 10 seconds i want my money back!

Julian Hill
Julian Hill

I mean shitposts aside. Sonic fans even have said forces is shit. Even those shit swallowing autists have been cautious before buying sonic lately. You are a lone retard deserving of wallet rape. I hatw sonic but I still know autistis like Mania hate forces.

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

I would rather experience the burger myself and form my own opinion, nu-/v/
then wait for the 'burger' to get cracked and pirate it you impatient shit

David Garcia
David Garcia

See, my wallet didn't get raped though. Because I used Valve's refund system. I lost literally nothing.

Justin Russell
Justin Russell

What's the point in buying a burger if I can make my own?

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

call mcdonalds to preorder burger for six months from now
sir are you retarded? we dont sell out of burgers and they are ready made. Just come get one when you want it.
yeah because they had to wipe your ass for you. And for every person who is just sincerely retarded. You get 10 people gaming it like in OP.

Easton Jenkins
Easton Jenkins

If your game can be beaten in under two hours then it's your fault

William Jones
William Jones

It isn't really true. Portal is a game that is universally praised and the first time to beat is maybe 3 hours, and between 1 to 1.5 hours if you have beaten it before.
It all just depends on the amount of money you pay. A full priced game though, should be more than 2 hours. Sonic Forces is 40 USD so under 2 hours is ridiculous.

Angel Anderson
Angel Anderson

other people have different ideas on burger making, you might find something tasty you wouldn't have made yourself.

Jackson Wright
Jackson Wright

I pre-order my burgers to make sure

Landon Jenkins
Landon Jenkins

user smile for me I need to see if one half of your face isn't working

Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez

I don't get your point. Are you saying I shouldn't have tried the game at all because by virtue of being Sonic the Hedgehog it's bad by default? That's a shitty way to live.

Sebastian Walker
Sebastian Walker

Stop using burger analogies. Video games are not food and are not consumable in the same fashion.

The only real logic behind defending SF is the production value, which probably wasn't particularly high given that it has 2 hours of content.

Face it, comrade, SEGA is a moneygrubbing whore of a company. Sonic Mania is the only good thing they've been associated with in ages.

Easton Nelson
Easton Nelson

I can pirate their recipe

Samuel Bell
Samuel Bell

good luck.

Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

Just saying if you buy a burger and you eat it in like 10 seconds when you expected it to take a minute makes no difference.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

(You)
I don't get your point. Are you saying I shouldn't have tried the game at all because by virtue of being Sonic the Hedgehog it's bad by default?
that is what I did. But no, if you like sonic Im not going to judge you. You shouldnt have tried it because it is clearly a terrible game and your time has value even if only for playing other games. And yeah steam giving you a refund wont end the world. But I want to close the door for people like OP. I even said in my orignal post I thought steam should be able to algorithmically check.

Anthony Baker
Anthony Baker

OP literally did nothing wrong though. Valve says you can refund a game for any reason under the sun as long as you do so within the rules, he did, it's done.

Asher Ortiz
Asher Ortiz

This

Get BTFO

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

entire thread:
it doesn't matter why you refund it if you're following the rules
but he played it for more than two hours
whatever faggot valve approved it so stop complaining

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

OP literally did nothing wrong though. Valve says you can refund a game for any reason under the sun
which is a bad policy for anyone not valve in the transaction and should be amended. Then you QQ i don't want any refund ever for any reason when I never said that.
half the fucking thread is people strawmanning saying if steam sets a policy I can't criticize it or that I either want everything refundable or nothing.

Nolan Peterson
Nolan Peterson

If you spend $5 on a burger, it's reasonable to expect it to be of a higher quality or much larger than a $1 burger.

SF is a $40 burger, and it's about the size of a Krystal/White Castle burger.

Pls stahp.

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

company makes bad product
shows off bad product
gets rid of bad product
Guess where the problem started, then consider how this all could be fixed if they just released a decent product. It is never up to the consumer to make sure they pay the company, but only for the consumer to make sure they are getting what they want. If you can't provide that/fail to do so, they are well within their fiscal responsibility to get whatever money/time lost back from said sham.

If you defend snake oil salesmen, you are the problem.

Aaron Sanchez
Aaron Sanchez

No. Sonic Forces is an abysmal game and SEGA deserves to lose as much money as possible because of it.

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

if hanes sells a shirt for $10 amd supreme for $100 the latter is clearly better.
Do you wear jordans and use beats by any chance?

Jonathan Price
Jonathan Price

it's more like a triple hamburger, but only one of the patties is actually made of meat

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

retards think this policy is to help consumers.
Its to reassure retards who preorder knowing at least 10% will be too lazy or to late to refund.
It's like the dildo scam in Lock Stock. But a shit game up for preorder scam, and make money off those that sont bother. They dont care about indies getting fucked under the process. They don't make Valve money.

Michael Cox
Michael Cox

I got a refund for KF2 after it got out of early access and I had played that game for way longer than 2 hours so I'm pretty sure it's case by case

Tyler Jackson
Tyler Jackson

If you are able to beat a game in under 2 hours, it's not a good game.

Even metal gear rizing, the game everyone shat on for having only 4 hours of gameplay is still better than 2 hours.

Thomas Bennett
Thomas Bennett

buy a burger
it tastes like shit
eat it anyway
get money back

Simple

James Ramirez
James Ramirez

Valve will only agree to the refund if you have 2 or less hours of playtime
This means Sonic Forces is 2 Hours long
Literally "TWO HOURS" Meme
If you can finish a Single-player game in under 2 hours, yeah, I think Refunding is perfectly fine.

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

do you have reading comprehension by any chance?

Adrian Smith
Adrian Smith

is super mario sunshine a bad game?

Connor Wood
Connor Wood

then why buy it? its purely opinion and some like 2 hour games some dont. I liked stanley Parable. And you obviously like the game if you played through it. You can lie to yourself.
but you dont go
everygame under two hours is shit!
buy 2 hour game
playthrough it
refund.
if you set expectations on the price tag instead of the product itself, you are a retard.

Blake Adams
Blake Adams

be Sup Forums
hate pirates
hate shitty games
see a guy beat a game in under 2 hours
he wants a refund?
WHAT AN ASSHOLE!

Sup Forums would rather you have buyers remorse than be a pirate.

Chase Walker
Chase Walker

I think that was his point.

Austin Campbell
Austin Campbell

Buy game
Play it
Turns out I beat it in under 2 hours
Realize I didn't get my money's worth
Refund because I'm perfectly allowed to

Jack Roberts
Jack Roberts

Nu-/v/ would.

Regular Sup Forums don't give a shit either way it's just all the cross-site Reddit users and Neo-gaf refugees.

Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith

Make a longer game worth $40

Nicholas Edwards
Nicholas Edwards

No, the guy didn't pirate the game. He bought it and refunded it, there is no problem here. He followed the rules

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

Game stop just took what people are doing and made it a 60 dollars a year service. Pretty genius desu

Noah Price
Noah Price

then why buy it retard?
If I said I hated women's panties bought a shit tonne and wore them around the housing taking pictures of myself, you'd be calling me liar liar pants on fire. even if i returned them the next day. You obviously like these games if this effects you at all. and no, BUT IM ALLOWED TO REFUND. is not am argument for why you *should be allowed to*

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

Because I hadn't played it yet and I like to make my own fucking decisions?

Xavier Bailey
Xavier Bailey

ok but I'm still going to pirate the game if it suddenly ends after 2 hours at $40.

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+long+does+it+take+to+beat+sonic+force%3F
Im fine with this.

Jose Thompson
Jose Thompson

See it doesn't matter whether or not I should. I can. Quit your bitchin.

Josiah Gutierrez
Josiah Gutierrez

Length of a game isn't the only indicator of quality. What if the gameplay is fun?

Chase Scott
Chase Scott

I say the policy should be changed
people say the policy shouldnt because the current policy says the current policy

Andrew Powell
Andrew Powell

I will pirate any game regardless of reason even if it's a series I really like and would spend money on.

Nathan Martinez
Nathan Martinez

agreed wholeheartedly,
however, is what started that discussion.

Lincoln Cruz
Lincoln Cruz

Im waiting for the mod that at least give the option for boobs body to female characters.

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

I keep forgetting this is nu-/v/.

FUCK OFF REDDIT/NEOGAF!

Jaxson Foster
Jaxson Foster

Because the current policy benefits the consumer more than the company? You want to take power away from the consumer?

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

This.

Anybody who wants it changed is a corporate dick sucker or salty indie nu-male soyboy cuckdev.

Bentley Wilson
Bentley Wilson

yes for the benefit of the industrt and consumer in the long run. The current policy benefits braindead morons and scammers at the detriment of publishers. Id like to protect sticker price, as a valid sales tactic and encourage editing down and allowing more short games. Id also like to do something to get less people preordering and this is a great way to do so. the policy doesnt help me. I only ever refunded one broken port.

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