The legion no longer believes in slavery. this aspect is totally removed from the faction

The legion no longer believes in slavery. this aspect is totally removed from the faction.


Would this significantly affect the rate at which players sided with them? would it affect your opinion of them?
I feel like a lot of the argument in favor of the Legion is lost in New Vegas by virtue of the game world never really pushing home just how fucking shit most of the navada territory is.


Even in Freeside(the largest single point of civilization outside new vegas proper) it's basically a free for all full of junkies and rapist murderers, barely kept in line simply because the current gang leader warlord happens to be fairly philanthropic. most places outside have it even worse.


The legion territory is described by non-legion sources, even those who don't like them, as well ordered and peaceful. no raiders, no junkies, no criminal element. Everything is kept in line by a strict warrior culture that espouses stoicism and pragmatic logic to solve problems efficiently.


Outside it's main weakness(over reliance/cult following of it's leader) I'd say the legion is a much better suited society for the wasteland than the NCR's half assed apeing of old america(and the rich just run everything anyways)

So remove the reason edgelords have to join them?
It would have absolutely no reason for anyone to join them.
Well other than completionists.

there is still their brutal military tactics, their treatment of women as second class citizens, and the fact they intentionally don't give their lowest recruits guns simply because forcing them to fight in melee makes them harder warriors in the long run.

The woman thing alone is enough to join them 100%

House>already failing democracy>technophobic homos in denial

the slavery thing was never an issue,the real problem is the Legion Quest Ratio is very low compared to the NCR's.So yeah a Legion run usually feels pretty underwhelming

House is just a despot who wants to rule everything. he doesn't provide a better standard of living, he just elevated a few select people to help him, then pushed everyone else out to make NV a hotspot for rich tourists.


And the NCR's "Democracy" is a sham. it is pretty well known that the NCR is pretty much owned by the wealthy Brahmin barons and other elite that control politics.


They even have Veteran rangers fucking guarding their herds while they're at war with the legion in nevada. that's how tight the stranglehold is

House actually wants to elevate humanity by restarting the technological processes that were happening before the war and has a plan to colonize space, what's Caesars plan again? "Pax romana" which consists of him being king (not for much longer though) and erasing any form of progress (including medical equipment for no real good reason)

If you benefit from the slavery, removing it is bad.
If you hinders you, It's good.
Since in game you don't get bothered by it, how would removing it change anything except maybe giving you less of a reason to join from an RP perspective or whatever.

>The Legion no longer utilizes slavery
Then there is no more Legion. The only free person in the Legion is Caesar himself.

There is a hierarchy of willingness, ideological indoctrination and ignorance of other ways of life but make no mistake: EVERYONE in the Legion is a slave. It doesn't matter how well you do, how slavishly you praise Caesar, how far you progress in the ranks; when Caesar says jump, you ask how high or risk punishment. In fact, the further you progress the more severe that punishment becomes.

Silus, caught by NCR, erroneously believes that his worth and service as a Centurion outweighs the standing order for all captured Legionaries to kill themselves. He's wrong. Caesar will praise you for killing him in his cell, or inform you that he's going to face punishment if you set him free. Because Silus, despite his achievements, is still just a slave in an army of slaves.

>actual reddit spacing

>Letting reddit dictate how you write.

>They even have Veteran rangers fucking guarding their herds while they're at war with the legion in nevada. that's how tight the stranglehold is
that's how a war economy works

no, that is how the NCR is owned by the wealthy elite.

it has nothing to do with the war. the Cattle barons simply demand that the NCR protect their herds with elite troops, and NCR politicians bend the knee and accept.


To be clear, they're not protecting it from the legion. The cattle baron herds are back in California way out of the way of the legion. they're just guarding against basic local raiders who may or may not be there.

The legion could easily be restructured to work with just a bit of retuning. Stoicism already contains the selfless, "for the greater good: notion. it just needs to be applied.


Also remember that though the military are ran like this, actual legion territory citizens are not. they live pretty normal and peaceful lives.

that's because those are slave women. just like every single legionary, with the exception of centurions, is. women cook and breed, legionaries go out to fight and get riddled with bullets or blown up.

there are civilized settlements with relatively normal people that are under legion rule who simply pay taxes.

this autistic crying about "muh womenz" is fucking retarded.

>Would this significantly affect the rate at which players sided with them?
no

Caesar dies and the Legion falls apart.

no i dont want to egowank the head of a cult of personality, i only kill him so he doesn't get his way

>implying the Legion isn't basically literate
You find written orders on the Recruits sent to open the radioactive waste at Searchlight. The NCR officer around there also asks you to steal Legion paperwork from Cottonwood Cove.

The average Legionary isn't going to have much use for writing but reading would be useful enough, for orders and studying combat manuals.

pretty much all the factions end up with you stroking someones ego

I think it's somewhat ironic that the Legion are considered LARPers for being Romeaboos when the NCR is the one actually attempting to ape the former lost empire.

I think what pushed most people (and me at first) to the NCR and against the Legion, is that you have many more positive experiences with the NCR by the early game than with the Legion.
You also get way more quests from the NCR, it's probably the same thing that causes you to like people more who you do favors to, you rationalize your actions as if you did it because you like them

Everyone already speaks and dresses like Americans in California, the Legion had to go out of its way to speak and dress like Romans