How do I stop getting my ass kicked?

Christian Green
Christian Green

How do I stop getting my ass kicked?

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Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

git gud

Alexander Miller
Alexander Miller

Keep your money low, don’t queu up units, dont stop making worker units, build more unit producing structures as your income increases

Hunter Campbell
Hunter Campbell

Play co-op instead.

Logan Clark
Logan Clark

Random Versus Zerg
Scout him with SCV (got terran) and notice he didn't expand yet
Immediately fall back to base and double build with 2 scvs to create a long wall down to my natural
Get it up just in time to wall it off with 1 marine by the time 8 lings arrive
6 banelings about a minute later versus my 4 marines
Sacrificial scvs fight back the first wave, finish factory
eventually, after a grueling back and forth, claim an expansion and stabalize, before making 3 factories churn out hellions and eventually win
This game is so stressful, no wonder it lost popularity on a competetive level, there isn't even satisfactions in winning, just relief that you didn't lose.

Co-Op, as casual as it sounds for me to say, is infinitely more fun right now. Team Play, especially a diamond or above, is incredibly stressful and hard to do.

Bentley Walker
Bentley Walker

How do you get your ass kicked every game? You should end up in shit elo pretty quickly.

Jason Smith
Jason Smith

scout and learn build orders

or just win against everything with mutalisk rush so balanced lol

Landon Adams
Landon Adams

Mutalisks
Good
They're countered by just about everything, including even the most minor of static defense. The only race that might have kind of a problem is protoss, and even then, early stalkers can out-micro mutas if you try to commit.

As a mid diamond player, I haven't seen a muta rush in the entirety of Legacy of the Void, and for good reason.

Hunter King
Hunter King

making a long wall to stop a 13/12
not just making ONE bunker while making 1 or 2 depots to wall off the main with your barracks

Jeremiah Hernandez
Jeremiah Hernandez

I knew I would need the eventual expansion income to beat out the early harrass Zerg who can commit to a baneling bust with only minimal economic damage on his part. If he landed 2 bases while I was on 1, I would never be able to break out before he techs above me. I had to force his play with the expansion wall.

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

That's funny because the Zotac Cup finals were just won by a mutalisk rusher corean.

William Foster
William Foster

13/12 is an all in, he doesn't transition out of that unless you don't end the game after he fails. You are ahead the moment his first push is dead.

Juan Gomez
Juan Gomez

thats bw not sc2

Angel Hughes
Angel Hughes

it's basically the same

Alexander Allen
Alexander Allen

It's basically two different games. Nothing plays the same and the units aren't equal.

James Torres
James Torres

Sc1 Mutas are fucking busted, and every time I fight zerg in BW I always prep for them. They are fat, fast, and strong, and their main counter isn't any unit in particular as much as it is getting good at Starcraft's horrible ground game, as every single air unit controls like butter and every ground unit controls like liquid shit running down a brick wall.

Mutas are primarily a harrass unit in SC2, and are easily countered at that. You really need to catch someone off guard, unprepared, and with an army that cant deal with air, in order for you to do anything.

Luke Ward
Luke Ward

I see. Well, maybe I could have put the resources from the second expansion into an early second factory and ended the game faster. I still felt that the gambit was required, in case he decided to tech.

Brayden Barnes
Brayden Barnes

How come there isn't a Starcraft general on /vg/?

Colton Morales
Colton Morales

It gets botspammed automatically. Not that it was great or about the game when it did exist anyway.

Luke Sanders
Luke Sanders

5 years ago it took weeks and a lot of effort to get into diamond league
get back into it after not playing for years
get gold after my placements and go straight to diamond after winning 3 games due to failed cheeses
What gives? Did all the good players stop playing? I can’t be the only one who experienced something like this.

Bentley Foster
Bentley Foster

If its the same account then you have your old mmr. Your mmr right after placements can jump all over the place in the first few games as well, it takes about 25 games or so for the system to properly calculate where you belong.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

Play another game. SC2 is not fun enough to warrant it's steep learning curve. Never mind the fact the game and it's community cater a 'everyone who's not grand master should go back to league' mentality.

Michael Scott
Michael Scott

Same happened to me.
Get placed in silver
Fight a gold
Win and get placed in plat
Do a plat tournament
It actually places me in diamond
Win due to an early disconnect and get a trophy
Diamond now
Also I'm offended by your claim that it was hard to get diamond back then. I actually hit master back in WoL just by fucking around with Ravens.

Carson Diaz
Carson Diaz

What gives? Did all the good players stop playing? I can’t be the only one who experienced something like this.

It gets hard once you reach top diamond 1. Diamond 2 and below is basically low level garbage gameplay. Some days ago, a master-diamond dude went to diamond 2 by making just pure stalker and attack move with no micro, no blink, only forge upgrades, I think he went 20-1 with a fresh account and did pretty similar with other races with no micro.

Ian Cruz
Ian Cruz

that's nothing.
https://twitter.com/PsiZanster/status/808701648541511681

Henry King
Henry King

I always open super aggresive vs Zerg, get 2 factories fast as fuck and research blue flame, hit him with 6 hellions while he's still on lings. Even if you don't fry all of his drones outright it gives you total map control, forces him on roaches so that your two base tank hellbat all in crushes

Daniel Clark
Daniel Clark

there used to be
it was terrible

Justin Rivera
Justin Rivera

Play more instead of shilling your trash game here.

Gavin Diaz
Gavin Diaz

Just play campaign, co-op or arcade like everyone else.

Jace Garcia
Jace Garcia

You mean kpop/korean esports general?
It stopped being about the game not long after WoL launch.

Nicholas Gray
Nicholas Gray

Forget about it and just play coop, much more fun.

Eli Lopez
Eli Lopez

SOme of us tried, but the Kpop onslaught was relentless.

I will miss the old times

Charles Russell
Charles Russell

patch 4.1.0 yesterday to fix mac bugs nobody cares about
all my replays are now flagged as old and crash the game

Alexander Myers
Alexander Myers

become a korean

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

I got you, bro!

Anthony Gonzalez
Anthony Gonzalez

Go on meth so you can keep up with the apm.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

coh2 has been my main go-to rts game
sc2 goes f2p
try it out
all 3 races are balanced to the point that you win/lose because of you/your opponents merits

someone help me get better at this game, it's fun

Co-Op, as casual as it sounds for me to say, is infinitely more fun right now.

it's shit playing with fucking retard slow-apm noobs

i have infinitely less stress playing and losing in 1v1 casual.

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

you switch to the superior game that's unironically more fun

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

There are plenty of educational stuff for new players. What race do you want to play? Do you know a good opening build order?

Adrian Hughes
Adrian Hughes

Switch to protoss if you already haven't and start spamming gateway units.

Aiden Williams
Aiden Williams

only race that may have issue with mutas is Protoss
what are Phoenix

Asher Moore
Asher Moore

yea i've got the spawn tool for build orders. when i was practicing terran on 2v2 ai i saw someone do a 3rax reaper all in and i copied that bt adjusted it so that it's reaper harass into expansion.

the problem for me right now is i don't know what units are good against which units so i end up building a hodge podge army.

Luke Brown
Luke Brown

what units are good against which units
Which matchup?

Nolan Nguyen
Nolan Nguyen

Which matchup?

basically all of them. i don't what most of the units in the factory are for, let alone other races.

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

as for a lot of beginner info, you can watch whatever you feel like from this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFUDU8AOevUf-8cdOzmuZ5QZqVg3A3VC6

Unit composition differs but basically the "core" of a terran army is either Marine/marauder/medivac or hellbat/siegetank. You generally only go one or the other, tech switching as terran is not particularly viable.

Zergs core is pretty much always zerglings/banelings with hydra support, sometimes going into hive for broodlords against protoss or ultralisk against terran. With the new changes to the build path of lurkers and the new burrow speed upgrade for lurkers they're pretty good now as well but I haven't really fucked with it much yet and it's fairly new still, pros seem to like using them though.

I cant say much about protoss currently as all the changes recently affected protoss the most and they're ridiculous right now and probably going to go through nerfs.

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

well i've been watching a lot of winter on twitch. he's got good commentary, and i feel like it's going to help in the long run, but right now he just outputs so much information that's new to me.

i want to do 1v1s with someone who can smash my teeth in and tell me why he was able to do it.

Levi Young
Levi Young

Factory probably has the most awkward lineup of units in the game, they're all gimmicky and overspecialised.
- Cyclone works best for early game defense, it doesn't scale well when the armies start growing bigger
- Widow mine and siege tank are terran's main source of splash damage, they support your frontline units and are only as useful as your ability to position them, they have friendly fire and mines especially are unreliable because of their targeting
- hellion/hellbat shits on workers, can work as a frontline unit against zerg but not against protoss
- thor is expensive and bad, if you find yourself having to make them you are probably dead anyway

Jaxon Gonzalez
Jaxon Gonzalez

Watch your replays. Always.

See where the opponent got ahead.

a. you failed to scout a gimmick?
-Scout better and respond.
b. You scouted it but you are so new you failed to recognise the build order, rendering you unable to build a counter composition army wise.
-Youtube it, someone will have the proper response to the specific build order.

Rinse, repeat. Somewhere along the way you'll develop a muscle memory to actual macro, leaving more of your APM chunk to micro and scouting, general presence on the map.

This game really comes down to scouting and insight what your opponent wants to do, not letting him do it.

That's why it's stressful, it's hard and full of suspense. The fog of war is terrifying unless you are somewhat good at the game, because at any moment a fucking swarm could come out.

But when you get better, and you notice you are miles ahead of the enemy and he doesn't even know, it's the best feeling ever.

Persist in getting good, the good feels will come later. Because you have to earn them. Starcraft is not really a fucking game, it's a sport.

Tyler Lee
Tyler Lee

Also remember your ABH.

Always.
Be.
Harassing.

Channel your inner BoxeR.

Hudson Carter
Hudson Carter

not letting him do it.
Note that this only works up until a certain level of play, after which there are scenarios where you can't do that anymore.

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

I'll never forget you.

Godspeed.

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

True but if you get to that point you are pretty fucking good at the game.

from then on it's really mind games and micro, the actual professional traits. If i was at that point I'd be a happy fucking gook lover.

Sebastian Bell
Sebastian Bell

Except nobody is. The nostalgia was stronger than the actual desire to play the game.

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