You didn't fall for the Ryzen meme, did you user?

James White
James White

You didn't fall for the Ryzen meme, did you user?

Coffee Lake is where it's at for video games. It's a perfect hybrid solution too.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJvHJ1hyto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJGJ0RzPyL0
https://www.computerbase.de/2017-11/cpu-aufruesten-benchmarks-test/2/
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2600K/3937vs621
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxmufdBdE8
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-8100-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3942vs3919
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av7afTxJLbo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvdSnEbL50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AcZVBFqC8Y
http://developer.amd.com/resources/open-source/
http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-slide-criticizes-amd-for-using-glued-together-dies-in-epyc-processors/
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12057/intel-to-use-additional-assembly-lines-for-coffee-lake-cpus
http://www.agner.org/optimize/#manuals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwZTyhmFgJo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJvHJ1hyto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPy0NZFPvDA
https://youtu.be/O98qP-FsIWo
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1Z97ravFkyA
https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hKf4KZ
https://youtu.be/J4bM83_Jmp4?t=6m57s
Lucas Rivera
Lucas Rivera

he doesn't overclock to 7 GHz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJvHJ1hyto

Daniel White
Daniel White

Meanwhile AMD will RELEASE Ryzen 2 this upcoming February. Even if you were somehow unsatisfied with Ryzen, there's a good chance the second gen will improve and eliminate the previous issues. Even better is that you won't have to buy an new MOBO.

Charles Lewis
Charles Lewis

Guess what? It still gets blown out of the water by Coffee Lake on single-core performance.

If you're getting into emulation or trying to optimize your FPS on games not called Ashes of Singularity, Coffee Lake is the best option, and by the time multimeme becomes more of a thing, Ice Lake will be crushing AMD.

Brandon Nelson
Brandon Nelson

if Ryzen 2 is good for emulation, I might consider it

Mason Taylor
Mason Taylor

buy I7 7700K
think nothing because all my intel work fine
tfw temps

Michael Carter
Michael Carter

ryzen
emulation
lol

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

nah. If its clocked 15% more, its single core would reach Coffee Lake. Single thread perf is the same in skylake and coffee lake.

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

Yes for the same reason I didn't buy a case with led fans. I'm not a child and I needed a reasonably priced cpu that could to simultaneous multithreading.

Grayson Turner
Grayson Turner

t. no source. In fact, literally every benchmark proves you wrong.
You're just further proving your stupidity. You even thought Ryzen 2 was coming out next February. You don't know anything.

Xavier Price
Xavier Price

still on I7 sandy bridge and still run every on ultra. life is good

Bentley Morgan
Bentley Morgan

so whats the single thread difference of coffee lake and ryzen?

Kevin Johnson
Kevin Johnson

when cpus give me a real reason to upgrade i will. GPUs actually improve over time and its a neccesary upgrade. im still rocking a sandybridge and it runs everything ive asked of it perfectly.

Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

Coffee Lake
not a housefire meme
l o l
Enjoy the jewish cum on your CPU's internal heatspreader making it go to 90ºC on any demanding task

Brody Russell
Brody Russell

I had a Bloomfield until recently. Upgraded it for programming + CAD work, gaming it was still going strong. Gulftown now. Works fine.

Isaac Powell
Isaac Powell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJGJ0RzPyL0

Jack Cook
Jack Cook

Just buy a used i7-2600K for $50 instead.

Christopher Torres
Christopher Torres

you got a link to this table?

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

thanks for proving my point. almost every benchmark shows that the i5 is <15% better than the r5. A 15% clock speed bumb on ryzen 2000 will make any differences null.

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

https://www.computerbase.de/2017-11/cpu-aufruesten-benchmarks-test/2/

Owen Anderson
Owen Anderson

Just upgraded to to a 8700k last week, i won the silicon lottery and OC mine to 5.3Ghz at 1.35V.

Pretty crazy

David Russell
David Russell

for $50
everyone sells those for 100€ here, can't even get 2500k for 50€

Julian Edwards
Julian Edwards

thanks for proving my point. almost every benchmark shows that the i5 is <15% better than the r5
resorting to telling blatant lies
Hilarious. The lengths you poojeets go to for that brand loyalty.

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-2600K/3937vs621

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

You should take it to 5.4GHz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZxmufdBdE8

Brody Allen
Brody Allen

Falling for the intel jew

You didn't actually do this, right Sup Forums? What does it feel like having to buy a new expensive ass mobo every 6 months?

Samuel Perry
Samuel Perry

Synthetic benchmarks are a joke.

Nicholas Bailey
Nicholas Bailey

Literally this. I use my comp for everything, so I need more than just one core potential (although to be fair, I'm a emu fan, so it kinda sucks but w/e) I'm also not a very rich person I'm a college kid so price is always a constant Factor. Ergo, RYZEN has done more than what I need for all tasks at a budget Intel can't compete with

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

I'm not stupid enough to delid it and void the warrenty

Wyatt Myers
Wyatt Myers

What makes you think anyone here is as stupid as you? CPUs have huge longevity for gaming so if you upgrade now, chances are you'll be using it for 6-7 years.

Intel blows AMD out of the water in the benchmarks, and it's an even bigger massacre for emulation. The only reason to buy a Ryzen is for productivity purposes.

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

do you know a site which compiles tons of user done benchmarks that arent synthetic? i dont trust review sites

Asher Powell
Asher Powell

Why would someone upgrade every 6 months? That's just stupid.

intel 2011 cpus are still better than most things AMD put out.

Blake Howard
Blake Howard

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i3-8100-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-1600/3942vs3919

RYZEN EXPOSED

MUH VALUE

Evan Young
Evan Young

Only reason you're getting these chips from Intel now is due to competition from AMD. I really hope AMD goes bankrupt just to see what happens when there it ZERO competition standing in Intels face.

Isaiah Parker
Isaiah Parker

Fucking hell are you new or something? It's a well known fact that the warranty still works provided you relid it and it's still functional.

I assumed you already delided if you're hitting 5.3GHz; that's as high as the Silicon Lottery website sells, and all of their CPUs are already delidded. Taking that into account, if you'd stop being such a fucking pussy, you might be able to break the record and hit 5.6GHz. Just buy delid service if you're that shit with a vice.

Leo Garcia
Leo Garcia

So legit question
If I have no interest in emulation, what cpu pairs well with a gtx1070

Camden Wright
Camden Wright

buying intel in 2017
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Evan Hall
Evan Hall

After almost 8 years i still dont see any reason to replace my i5 2500k

Ian Jackson
Ian Jackson

Going to these extremes to cool your brand new cpu, keep being a good goy and buy up everything Intel™.

Landon Myers
Landon Myers

Same but AC Origins is killing my 2500k, might do a quick jump to 3770k while I save for a new build

Nicholas Hill
Nicholas Hill

yep still using a [email protected]

Just upgraded the graphics card over the years.

The mobo kinda sucks so ill replace it and the 2600k next year.

Robert Murphy
Robert Murphy

AMD only seem like theyre the good guys because theyre broke. if intel stopped existing AMD would do the same shit. corporations arent your friend

Jeremiah Jenkins
Jeremiah Jenkins

I'm still running an i7 970, thing is a champ. If anything bottlenecks my system it's my shit Radeon. Cpu basically carries my system, need to upgrade soon though

Wyatt Davis
Wyatt Davis

Nah, I did some small upgrades over black friday. Going to finish up the rest when I get my performance bonus in Q1 and the cyrptomeme dies down a bit.

Caleb Gomez
Caleb Gomez

Right, but on some more cpu intensive games it WILL be a bottleneck, more so in single threaded heavy emulation, especially with, but not limited to AMD. AC Origins is a great example, my rx 480 drops to 50% usage in towns at nearly max graphics because CPU gets pegged at 100%

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

Gamers need performance, something AMD isn't very good at.

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

930 here, same thing basically.

Wyatt Sanders
Wyatt Sanders

see

Charles Carter
Charles Carter

*
AMD
emulation

Ryder Reed
Ryder Reed

Name an emulator that you believe a Ryzen CPU can't run at full speed, but an Intel CPU can.

Christopher Rogers
Christopher Rogers

cemu runs worse on amd gpus because of opengl driver overhead on windows, that's about the disadvantages of amd for emulation.

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

/emugen/ is full of STP apologists.

There will never be enough STP for emudevs and the meme will keep getting peddled.

Robert Young
Robert Young

Who said anything about full speed?
Intel CPUs absolutely obliterate Ryzen in every single emulator benchmark except for RPCS3, where it's closer because of the multicore utilization, but Intel still wins.

Brody Torres
Brody Torres

Honestly you'd be pretty well off getting a refurbished i5 from last year

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

t. poojeet who knows nothing about emulation.

gpu
fucking lol

William Fisher
William Fisher

Who said anything about full speed?

What else is there to emulation? What relevance do synthetic benchmarks have to playing games on an emulator? Again, name an emulator that I can't play at full speed on a Ryzen CPU, but could on an Intel one.

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

it's another thread when Sup Forums pretend to be /g/

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

It's threads like this that remind me that as bad as /g/ is, it'll never be as retarded as Sup Forums.

Grayson Martinez
Grayson Martinez

implying driver overhead doesn't play a huge part on emulation, especially on cemu
holy shit you are literally retarded

Matthew Hernandez
Matthew Hernandez

/g/ is shit. they dont even care about gaming performance anymore. its all shilling mobile phones and watches and shit

t.ex /g/

Liam Foster
Liam Foster

Yo is it worth it to return my kaby lake 7600k and get a 8600k? I can get a full refund. Also aren't games optimized for 4 cores not 6 or is that just a meme?

Carson King
Carson King

t. poojeet who knows nothing about how drivers, graphics apis and overhead works

Asher Jackson
Asher Jackson

I don't know Pajeet, what do you think people prefer, playing at 10 fps or playing at 20 fps?

Did it finally hit you? Time to take another shit?

Hunter White
Hunter White

its a meme.

Angel Thompson
Angel Thompson

Go for it, that's an old meme, games are mostly taking advantage of more cores nowadays

Kevin Roberts
Kevin Roberts

I'm not him, but you clearly don't know anything about emulation if you think the GPU matters much. They're all CPU-driven.

Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

i5 8600k of coffee lake matches a 7700k kabylake but its up to you i would

Wyatt Evans
Wyatt Evans

tfw PCSX2 runs 4k 60 16x AA buttery on ryzen 7

Charles Nguyen
Charles Nguyen

yeah dude, just buy a new motherboard when every new intel CPU comes out, also spend double the money for a little more performance

Kevin Bell
Kevin Bell

Not yet. An 8600k will be more future proof but right now, the performance difference isn't that significant. If you're using your PC for productivity purposes too, it's worth it.

Lucas Harris
Lucas Harris

tfw /v/v memed me and said i dont need to get a i7 4690
get it 4690k
barely plays BF1

Thomas Ramirez
Thomas Ramirez

That's why the huge opengl driver overhead on amd while running cemu makes a 480 get lower framerates than a 750 ti with the same cpu right?
oh wait le gpu doesnt matter driver overhead doesn't exist rendercalls just pop up on the gpu instantly
kill yourself

Fuck off

Oliver Morgan
Oliver Morgan

sorry, you need a $5000 Intel CPJew to even consider emulating a NES let alone a PS2

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

greentext
no benchmark
Not convincing anyone there, Manish.

Evan Walker
Evan Walker

No answer then? Since you're shifting the goalposts, name an emulator and a game for it that runs at 10fps on a Ryzen CPU and 20fps on an Intel CPU.

Or, you know, don't even bother and just go away. Because anything less than full speed is utter shit for emulation and completely unacceptable.

AMD cards are shit for Cemu. AMD's OpenGL performance is godawful and certainly does matter in that emulator, since there are no alternate back ends. Stop pretending to have knowledge of things you're clueless about.

Jason Gonzalez
Jason Gonzalez

pajeet getting upset after being called out
Hilarious.

Cameron Watson
Cameron Watson

i was just pretending lol driver overhead doesnt real

Oliver Mitchell
Oliver Mitchell

Before the guy moves the goalposts again, any sort of CPU discrepancies in emulators would usually come from immature emulators like the posterchildren Cemu and RPCS3.

Basically a dick tugging contest of who can spend the most first to get full speed on poorly optimized emulators

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

No answer then?
To your idiotic question? No.

name an emulator and a game for it that runs at 10fps on a Ryzen CPU and 20fps on an Intel CPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av7afTxJLbo

Cooper Torres
Cooper Torres

t. bestbuy computer with gtx 1030.

Parker Baker
Parker Baker

AMD cards are shit for Cemu. AMD's OpenGL performance is godawful and certainly does matter in that emulator, since there are no alternate back ends. Stop pretending to have knowledge of things you're clueless about.
If you weren't an idiot and learned how to read, he said that was the only disadvantage AMD had for emulation.

Nolan Adams
Nolan Adams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylvdSnEbL50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osSMJRyxG0k
ever, EVER falling for the Intel jew

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

Those were released in early 2011, at most it's a bit under 7 years old.

Robert Rivera
Robert Rivera

complains about moving the goalposts
moves the goalposts himself
The utter stupidity and hypocrisy of you AMD loyalists never ceases to amaze me.

Noah Miller
Noah Miller

i5 8600k costs 50% more than ryzen 1600. Does it perform 50% better?

Robert Green
Robert Green

heres webm of it

i could link vid but people are gonna flip out because aspect ratio

Brayden Jackson
Brayden Jackson

thinking AMD are any less jewish
This is why you fanboys are so stupid.

Ryder Lopez
Ryder Lopez

I wasn't part of the original argument, but wasn't it about AMD being shit for emulation?

If that is the case, then it's wrong barring modern immature emulators. I otherwise don't care about their squabble. Note my second point about the dick tugging contest.

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez

had a R9 290 at the time, then i threw a 1070 in and barely got any better

meant for

Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez

Nice 540p.

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

The ryzen 1600 costs 100% more than i3 8100. Does it perform 100% better?

Justin King
Justin King

just works

Landon Thomas
Landon Thomas

1080p webms at decent bitrate
1 second long

Xavier Evans
Xavier Evans

I wasn't part of the original argument
and now you're backpedaling like an even bigger idiot. Embarrassing.

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

But I wasn't. What are you grasping at?

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

12 threads
4 threads
that should really say it all.

Christian Bennett
Christian Bennett

i seriously hope you didnt install W10 because you thought W7 doesnt work with ryzen and such

James Anderson
James Anderson

Don't worry brainlet, leave the detailed stuff to the big boys.

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

i3
play game
90%+ CPU usage
can't do anything else in the background or else stutter and throttle like shit

ryzen
play game
40% CPU usage
while streaming, watching videos and rendering video in the background

John Martinez
John Martinez

unlocked

what did they mean by that??

Nicholas Bailey
Nicholas Bailey

Still no reason to upgrade.

Thomas Davis
Thomas Davis

This, Intel is a shitty failure of a company now with MOAR COARS MOAR HOUSEFIRES retardation.

Ryzen is infinitely smoother and cooler than that any Intel garbage and has a lot more value than Intel non-value trash.

Hunter Wilson
Hunter Wilson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AcZVBFqC8Y
ryzen
bad for emulation

PCSX2 can be fuckey sometimes though

Carter Jackson
Carter Jackson

If you're on a budget it's always going to be smarter to get a better GPU over a more expensive CPU. Jerking off over CPUs for gaming doesn't make any sense unless you're running a 1080 ti at 144hz or something.

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

still using W7

Brandon Brown
Brandon Brown

get good GPU
get shitty CPU
CPU is pinned to wall 100%
GPU is only at 50% usage
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

better to wait to get decent midrange CPU at least

Brayden Reyes
Brayden Reyes

Win.10
A320 board
2400HMz RAM (>8GB)

At least you got a good budget GPU with the 1050ti; I have it on my other PC and its pretty good for the value, but for the rest your Ryzen build lacks much.

-t.recently built R7 PC owner

Chase Phillips
Chase Phillips

nu-/v/ doesn't emulate games at original resolution on a CRT TV

Ayden Nelson
Ayden Nelson

t.brainlet
GPUs aren't going to get bottlenecked until the 1070 or higher range even with a crappy-ass i3.

Liam Myers
Liam Myers

A i3 8100 is enough for 60 FPS in AAA games.

Daniel Wood
Daniel Wood

tfw fellow ramlet

how much was yours?

Nolan Ortiz
Nolan Ortiz

t. pajeet.

Slow AMD CPUs will never beat better ones.

Justin Foster
Justin Foster

Also an i5-8350k is better and way cheaper than an i5-700k.

Brody Roberts
Brody Roberts

How about you look at benchmarks and pick the best thing in your specific price range rather than falling into childish us vs them mentality?

Robert Perry
Robert Perry

I did but that was several moths before Ryzen started to look reasonable. Until that AMD was laughable on all sides.

Henry Thomas
Henry Thomas

because intel has been fucking them for so long, they don't want a new big dick on the block

Kayden Harris
Kayden Harris

Whatever you say, ranjesh goldberg. Your lies don't work here.

Liam Anderson
Liam Anderson

Ryzen has actual value unlike Intel so even for budget 1200 is superb.

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

In that amount of time AMD might still be releasing for the same socket. Intel on the other hand has released 3 revisions already that all are incompatible.

Jaxson Peterson
Jaxson Peterson

meant to say i5-7600k*

Dominic Lewis
Dominic Lewis

single-channel
single-channel
single-channel

William Jackson
William Jackson

Hang on, you were literally caught lying here:

The video doesn't lie, Ryzen is worse for gaming than Intel.

Juan Reed
Juan Reed

In that amount of time AMD might still be releasing for the same socket
No, they're going to change in 2020. If you buy an 8700k now, you won't need to change it until 2025 at least.

Sorry you were dumb enough to buy a Ryzen dude.

Jeremiah Bennett
Jeremiah Bennett

you
That wasn't me you dumb poo jew. And he's still right, moar gigahurtz is not an argument.

Joshua James
Joshua James

And he's still right
Clearly it doesn't matter if it was you or not, you're still just as big of an idiot.

Do you not know what a benchmark is?

Brandon Sanders
Brandon Sanders

Lets see
Open source GPU drivers
Freesync, free as in open source
Fucking Vulkan was put in motion by AMD
Now that I search for it there's this http://developer.amd.com/resources/open-source/
Have we already forgotten this http://www.pcgamer.com/intel-slide-criticizes-amd-for-using-glued-together-dies-in-epyc-processors/

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

Can Windows 7 be made to run on coffee like like it did on kaby?

Noah Lee
Noah Lee

Ryzen is better than coffin lake simply because it's available. Nobody buys coffin lake because it was a shitty paper launch. Maybe next year they'll release something that's not retarded one way or the other, but until then everybody is buying Ryzen.

James Jackson
James Jackson

Windows
Use an OS that respects your freedom.

Jason Reed
Jason Reed

I really wish the ethernet port didn't break on my last build that had 2500k... On the bright side it forced me for 7 to Linux

Brayden Lopez
Brayden Lopez

Keep in mind Intel has been illegally shafting and downplaying AMD for decades.

Intel can do no wrong, and they certainly won't let anybody know.

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

Do you know what GHz are?

Joseph Gomez
Joseph Gomez

I like video games.

Jacob Martinez
Jacob Martinez

PLEASE DELETE THIS POST YOU STUPID ANTI-SEMITIC GOY

Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

I got it for like $102 after taxes on Amazon.
It was an instant buy sort of listing on the site.

Brandon Cox
Brandon Cox

It's really sad to see the state of the CPU industry. For nearly a decade it's been 5-10% gains every release as opposed to the doubling of performance every generation before clock rates hit a wall.

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

stop trying to justify your purchase AMDrone.
I'm over here with my coffee lake enjoying 10% better performance in modern games in 120% better performance in emulators.

Aaron Evans
Aaron Evans

Not my fault Intel can only produce like 10 CPUs per country because of their garbage technology.

Austin Kelly
Austin Kelly

120% better performance in emulators.
citation needed

Gabriel Butler
Gabriel Butler

How stupid are you? They're not selling because they're literally out of stock because they're in such high demand. They literally had to open a new factory to get more out:

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12057/intel-to-use-additional-assembly-lines-for-coffee-lake-cpus

Nicholas Thomas
Nicholas Thomas

Why are you so mad over the fact that virtually everybody is buying Ryzen because it has more value and it's actually available? Intel shills are obsessed, coffin lake was paper launched, deal with it.

Ayden Lewis
Ayden Lewis

120% better performance in emulators.
With that big of an increase you should be running your emulators at 8k resolution. Post some images if you are.

Liam Jones
Liam Jones

Dang. I recently picked these up for $170.

Luke Kelly
Luke Kelly

see, stop posting if your soyboy attention spans can't last a few hundred posts

Lincoln Hill
Lincoln Hill

Sweetie, you really don't get how bad Ryzens are for emulation. You should try it one day instead of shitposting on Sup Forums.

Connor Young
Connor Young

Oh, an immature emulator. Carry on.

Cameron Allen
Cameron Allen

LED
Yeah wonder why

Wyatt Young
Wyatt Young

playing while streaming, watching videos and rendering video in the background
Are you retarded or something? Also, coffeelake proved to be better for streaming. Ryzen actually stutters more.

Bentley Cruz
Bentley Cruz

Not them but in reality Intel was actually kind of intimidated by Ryzen, because it actually brought great value in terms of overall power as a CPU (not just games and even then gave a lot of headroom so you don't have to close everything for the best performance).
Hence why Covfefe Lake was a shit launch of some good CPUs (ex:8700k) but fucked over past Sky/Kabylake owners entirely due to the socket and incompatibility bullshit of Intel; as well that the Covfefe launch was aimed to early 2018 and would ultimately launch in the same time as Zen+ (second Ryzen line of most likely higher clocks and higher IPC).

Either way Intel doesn't have bad CPUs and are still powerful, but it is certainly interesting how AMDs strong return actually brought some competition and that is a good thing.
Hopefully devs. now see AMD as a viable company for game optimizations and such in the CPU market because in reality, Ryzen does pack power and Intel knew that. And hey, Ryzen has support till 2020 as well, so you can per-say get a Ryzen 1600 for cheap ($215 with MOBO) and upgrade to what 10nm Zen 2 might bring, and it looks optimistic.

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

immature emulator
Hey dumbshit, did it occur to you that newer consoles require more CPU performance to emulate properly? It was the exact same scenario with Dolphin.

Elijah Clark
Elijah Clark

If you aren't a fucking drooling brainlet go read this and understand that clockspeed is the only thing that holds ryzen back. Ryzen can handle more instructions per clock than Intel can (5 complex vs Intel's upper limit of 1 complex and 3 simple).

http://www.agner.org/optimize/#manuals

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

And surprise, Dolphin is now mature.

Lincoln Murphy
Lincoln Murphy

Can you not get the right motherboards for that socket anymore?

Elijah Jones
Elijah Jones

They were the cheapest 2666MHz in my country by a fair distance. Next one up was the Crucial Ballistix Elite for about $196USD, and everything else was $220+USD, including the Vengeance LPX.

Jackson Rogers
Jackson Rogers

paying the Israel premium for worse overall performance, cum TIM, and countless exploits in the botnet on-board
if you buy Intel in the current year you are just beyond saving.

Wyatt Ramirez
Wyatt Ramirez

intel still out performs amd in dolphin

Liam Lopez
Liam Lopez

10nm Zen 2
It's either 12nm Zen+ in 2018 or 7nm Zen2 in 2019.

Intel is shitting the bed with 10nm and all the other big corporations are laughing at them.

Matthew Roberts
Matthew Roberts

a 15 year old emulator is now mature
Sure thing Pajeet. If you're patient and wait about 10 years, RPCS3 might run well on your 1600 after all!

Kayden Powell
Kayden Powell

full speed is full speed

what is there to out perform?

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

Who makes up these garbage names

Evan Cruz
Evan Cruz

Why do you keep repeating falsehoods, Pajeet? The benchmarks were already posted early in this thread.

Do you think if you keep spamming, people will believe you and buy a Ryzen?

Jaxson Mitchell
Jaxson Mitchell

JRPGs like Skies of Arcadia Legends are almost unplayable at default speed.
You need to be able to play at 5x speed to make the random encounters bearable.

Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

it's not ryzen 2 retard it's zen+ which is a refresh of the current lineup with better thermals, slightly better clocks and maybe ipc

Luis Bell
Luis Bell

I assume you're not talking about actual performance, but how much of a slog the battles are?

Seems like poor game design then.

Benjamin Stewart
Benjamin Stewart

Relevant part-

19.21 Bottlenecks in AMD Ryzen
The throughput of each core in the Ryzen is higher than on any previous AMD or Intel x86 processor, except for 256-bit vector instructions.

Samuel Cook
Samuel Cook

this graph is trash

i own a i7 2600 and a gtx 1080 and this shitty cpu bottlenecks a lot of games

Gavin Fisher
Gavin Fisher

Sounds like they're just not very good games if that's the case.

Angel Baker
Angel Baker

2160p benchmarks

William Sanders
William Sanders

Feminist Frequency's influence

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

and buy a Ryzen
people are already doing that enmasse and need no convincing.

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

20 fps in running well

Benjamin Sullivan
Benjamin Sullivan

NO
BUY INTEL PLS

Hunter Gutierrez
Hunter Gutierrez

I love my Ryzen! Intel owners are free to enjoy their inferior product, though!

Jaxon Gutierrez
Jaxon Gutierrez

Hmm, Ryzen is 100% in stock whereas Coffee Lakes are being bought out to the point of Intel having to boot up another assembly line.

Ryzen?... enmasse?...hmmm

Matthew Jones
Matthew Jones

amd
having good drivers
having good gpus
anyone using freesync

Dylan Jackson
Dylan Jackson

2000+17-17+17
intel
Intel is old and busted, Ryzen is the new hotness.

Austin Murphy
Austin Murphy

delid dis

Jonathan Mitchell
Jonathan Mitchell

Selling out when you only produce 100 chips a week is easy user. Plus ryzen has 80% plus yields - Intel simply cannot match that.

David Campbell
David Campbell

makes 50 cpus per continent
all 50 cpus are sold out
LOOK EVERYONE IS BUYING INTEL HAHA

lol

Jackson Roberts
Jackson Roberts

Took a note from Nintendo's book

Connor Baker
Connor Baker

I went on a buying craze and wanted m.2

Connor Mitchell
Connor Mitchell

2 gtx1080 sli
1080p 60fps
For what purpose?

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

9th generation
Intel sipstea lake

Oh honey you didn't

Joshua Perry
Joshua Perry

fuck intel

Joshua Kelly
Joshua Kelly

Good guy AMD > Jew Intel > Satan Nvidia

Angel Perez
Angel Perez

Loyalist AMD fanboys can spam all they like, it's not going to change the benchmarks.

Gamers will always value performance above everything.

Carson White
Carson White

I run dolphin on my 8350 without problems. Even the 6350 could run dolphin fine. Cemu, Citra,and PS3 are somewhat ok depending on the game. But these emulators are in the early stages anyway. And they actually run good with ryzen.

Gabriel Nguyen
Gabriel Nguyen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HwZTyhmFgJo

Nice pic, upvoted

Dominic Cox
Dominic Cox

Speccy will usually report single/dual channel correctly your ram is in the wrong slots.

James Sullivan
James Sullivan

delete

Evan Ramirez
Evan Ramirez

Ryzen 1600 vs i5 8400?

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

8400 when ever the regular motherboards come out.

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

8400 has better benchmarks, but if you're not getting a K series, do what said and wait for the B series motherboards.

Isaiah Mitchell
Isaiah Mitchell

Depends what youre doing
Gaming? Ryzen 5
Production? Skip the i5 and get a i7 no reason this generation and for more to come to get a i5 , they become outdated faster and are only and should only be $50 to $100 dollars less than a i7 , so what's stopping you from saving 50 to 100? Impatience?

John Rogers
John Rogers

gaming? ryzen 5
LOL

Connor Richardson
Connor Richardson

Gaming? Ryzen 5
Nice bait.

Ethan Thompson
Ethan Thompson

You're ba-
/v/
Oh nevermind carry on

Alexander Evans
Alexander Evans

?

If you were serious, you're legit stupid. Ryzen has it's advantages over Intel, but gaming performance isn't one of them.

Evan Rodriguez
Evan Rodriguez

Congratulations on picking out one of the 2 prominent games using DX12. What's next? Ashes of Singularity?

Either way, this conclusively proves you're wrong: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwJvHJ1hyto

Jaxson Cook
Jaxson Cook

Its almost as if firaxis - a developer that has been bitching about cpu limitations for years - can actually leverage the newer API when it is designed explicitly to unfuck cpu overhead and scheduling woes.

Liam Gomez
Liam Gomez

NOBODY USES LN2 TO PLAY GAMES ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

r5 1600X
buying Intel is a poor decision when we're on the verge of vulkan/DX12 major adoption

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

X
Supposedly the difference between X and non-X is minimal and the latter actually comes with a good fan you don't have to exchange to OC.

Liam Diaz
Liam Diaz

If you only want to play strategy games, by all means by a Ryzen.

As for everything else, well, there's a reason you're avoiding that whole can of worms.

pajeet getting upset again
The tears never stop.

James Morgan
James Morgan

Oh okay you were serious
Ryzen 5 1600 is the best budget cpu in the market
Nothing statistically in price and performance comes close to what a ryzen 5 1600 does in both gaming and production.

A i5 8600 is a good chip but why in the ever lasting fuck would you get a i5 in this day and age when the i7 is again as stated only 50 to 100 more , not even bringing up the k variants and again a i5 k is still worthless compared to a i7

If all you are going to do is play video games a ryzen 5 1600 is literally all you need
Motherboards as low as $60
Heatsink is one of the best for a stock cooler ever so no extra $40-80 for anything aftermarket
Compared to intel for this generation where they shit the bed due to ryzen you're stuck paying upwards to 110$ for a decent X board since that is all they have
Coffee lake heats up worse than a bulldozer chipset so using a stock cooler included which aren't even copper based is risky and not suggested by any tech reviewer , majority of them straight out suggest you get a ryzen 5 1600 in the first place if you're going to build a gaming pc and go i7 K if you plan to do more than gaming unless you video edit then you get a ryzen 7

Again the point is if you PLAN to game and since we are on Sup Forums I assume most of the people here plan to PLAY ,memes aside , Video Games.

You want to throw away cash be my guest but two minutes in researching and any thought about getting a i5 over a ryzen 5 or i7 is ended in those two minutes.

Liam Phillips
Liam Phillips

if you use stock HSF just kys.

Carter Wood
Carter Wood

That's what everyone was saying last year and so far there are only a few strategy games to show.

Keep clinging to the whole multithreadding meme; it's going to be a long time before most games start using it, and when they do, Ice Lake will have already been out for a while.

Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

You reek of r/pcmr/, child.

Eli Price
Eli Price

There is a minimal difference between the x and non x same with then ryzen 7

All ryzen chips can be overclocked so technically you can get near the 1600x performance without buying a 1600x and using the stock cooler above that

Ryan Cruz
Ryan Cruz

an h212 is like $15.

Jordan Roberts
Jordan Roberts

AMD fanboys like yourself just keep getting dumber and dumber.

Guess what? The $183 USD i3-8350k outperforms the 1600 in the vast majority of games. You know what else? Even fucking Ivy Bridge CPUs from 6-7 years ago outperform the 1600 on single core performance, which the majority of games still use.

By all means, keep burying your head in the sand and regurgitating the same irrelevant rubbish like fucking stock coolers. At the end of the day, you're a retard desperately fighting the fight for a corporation.

Blake Miller
Blake Miller

what the fuck ethnicity is that chick supposed to be?

Cooper Roberts
Cooper Roberts

Even fucking Ivy Bridge CPUs from 6-7 years ago outperform the 1600 on single core performance,

Whats your username on OCN?

Christian Cook
Christian Cook

And no better than stock cooler on rzyen 1600.

Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

Why would I get mad over the fact that Ryzen vastly outsells that paper launched coffin? Sounds like projection.

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

bought ryzen and single channel ram
Should I prioritize getting another identical ram stick? Is the perf difference between single and dual ram big on ryzen?

Ayden Rogers
Ayden Rogers

AMD fanboys like yourself just keep getting dumber and dumber.
Making assumptions is bad for your healthc
Guess what? The $183 USD i3-8350k outperforms the 1600 in the vast majority of games. You know what else?
Go ahead and post benchmarks
Even fucking Ivy Bridge CPUs from 6-7 years ago outperform the 1600 on single core performance, which the majority of games still use.
ipc
Again show the world how much of a brainlet you are
The difference between a Haswell and ryzen ipc is at and under 5%
What is 5%? To many games that is either 1-5 frames
In extreme cases like Civ and some other games that obviously favor intel over amd it's 6 or more

For daily usage the difference is not noticeable and never will be
For gaming the difference is seen thru benchmarks, not playing

So go ahead and copy and paste whatever else you have left to defend intel and play this stupid brand loyalty game or for once use you fucking head to think logically for once and research what you're about to post because what you find out may surprise you

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

I just bought a Ryzen 5 1600. What should I expect?

Justin Butler
Justin Butler

Always go dual for any build
Ryzen and coffee lake like 3200 speeds and if you plan to use two or more monitor's get 32gb

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

tfw 8700k+1080ti

Jackson Turner
Jackson Turner

why the fuck would you buy single channel RAM ever

Dylan Smith
Dylan Smith

Absolute top performance in 7zip.

Adrian Flores
Adrian Flores

Better be using a 2k 144hz monitor

Alexander Gonzalez
Alexander Gonzalez

A price/performance ratio that is only challenged/beaten by the 8400.

Luke Sullivan
Luke Sullivan

Making assumptions is bad for your healthc
Assumptions? You couldn't me a more obvious AMD fanboy.

all the other shit
I have one simple comeback that destroys everything you said: benchmarks.

The only one you seem to care about is Civilization VI, while ignoring 95% of other games. Why? Because you're very clearly a fanboy who refuses to admit defeat.

It's as simple as this: Intel CPUs give better performance for the vast majority of games, all the prominent benchmarks on the internet prove this, and you're bringing up utterly meaningless shit like stock coolers. You're just an idiot.

Elijah Sanders
Elijah Sanders

yee

Lucas Phillips
Lucas Phillips

It goes like this:

Do you want to play games?
Intel Coffee Lake

Do you want to optimize your productivity? (video encoding, rendering, 7zip etc)
Do you want to play newer strategy games like Civ VI or Ashes of Singularity?
Ryzen

Alexander Robinson
Alexander Robinson

What should I do if I think modern games suck and only want to use Dolphin and PCXS2 at 1440x1080p at 60fps? I don't like being spied on, so if it doesn't require Windows 10 or involve Intel and nVidia that's a bonus

Ryder Miller
Ryder Miller

Why strategy games?

Nolan White
Nolan White

Again you didn't post a single benchmark about the i3
Nothing at all you're talking out your ass and I worked at micro center for a decade , I built PCs for customers and myself you obviously are taking your info from either intel boards or hardware canucks or both

You don't know shit , you may never know shit and the original point was if you plan to only game then you get a ryzen 5 which you still can't dispute because it's true
No one who plans to play games in the next year would get a dual core cpu
No one who plans to game in the next 2 years would get a i5
AM4 are supported until 2020
i7s can last you 3 to 4 years easily in gaming but in the end of the day it is all situational

Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

It's not really a debatable thing honestly. We have a shit ton of benches now. Ryzen benches 10-15% lower than similarly priced Coffee Lake in most games and can dip as low as 30%.

It really doesn't matter much unless you're a 144hz fag and if you're a 4kfag, then it matters about as much as the price of tea in china when it comes to performance.

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

Because those games have several things happening at once, which is what multiple cores are suited to handling.

AMD went down the multicore route and is banking heavily on it becoming more widely used by all games, but so far, it's only really helping the strategy/simulation genre. What happens in the future remains to be seen, but games like first person shooters and such are in no rush to utilize multiple cores, and presently don't, which is why Intel CPUs are winning the performance benchmarks easily.

Henry Miller
Henry Miller

coffee lake

WHY DIDNT YOU WAIT

Caleb Collins
Caleb Collins

Intel CPUs are better than AMD cpus in gaming and has been the case since 2600k

The difference today between coffee lake and ryzen is entirely situational. Do you make money using your PC? Then none of this matters and the threadripper is the price to prrformance choice

Do you simply play 1080p high to ultra gaming? None of this matters no matter what people tell you if you got a 1070 or even a 6gb 1060 then none of this will matter for the next year or more

If you use two monitors, play at 1440p above 144hz then a ryzen is a valuable choice at price and performance(stock cooler to optimization)

If you play at 4k at 60fps , 1080ti then anything less than a i7 8700k is pointless

It it all situational
If you browse the web and play games at high settings 1080p then you don't need any of this

Kevin Ortiz
Kevin Ortiz

All the i3 benchmarks were in the video posted early in the thread:

Shock horror! It beats the 1600X and the 1700X in most games!

By the way, my angry little AMD fanboy, I'm actually still running my 6 year old Ivy Bridge. I actually want to upgrade it, and have spent the last 2 weeks doing a lot of research on the current Intel vs AMD, and every bit of evidence proves that the Coffee Lake chips will give better performance in the vast majority of games.

You keep rambling and rambling like the idiotic angry Pajeet you are, desperate to sell people on the Ryzen, but again, for the 200th time, nothing you say will undo the benchmarks. For most gamers, performance maters the most, and that will never ever change.

Adam Morales
Adam Morales

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPy0NZFPvDA
A professional who works with and writes code for hardware chooses R5 for the best prize/performance build
And then there's this guy.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

Honestly, I wouldn't bother much anymore, he's probably part of AMD's viral marketing branch. No matter how many times you mention the benchmarks are what matter, he just shits out a never-ending stream of shilling.

Jeremiah Foster
Jeremiah Foster

Don't know and don't care about your ecelebs.

The 8350k beats the 1600x & 1700x in the benchmarks across the majority of games. Coffee Lake CPUs are better for gaming and that's all there is to it.

Nolan Davis
Nolan Davis

I wish I were a mod so I could see the samefagging in this thread.

Lucas Young
Lucas Young

The fuck makes you think there's samefagging? Are you new or something?

Joshua Martinez
Joshua Martinez

people having a discussion
samefagging
Someone should shove a chainsaw up your ass.

Carson Robinson
Carson Robinson

still rambling when gamersnexus was caught with their pants down already and refused to acknowledge it
https://youtu.be/O98qP-FsIWo
And you own video proved the i3 is not the future unless you plan to play throttled

Caleb Gutierrez
Caleb Gutierrez

KEKED

Eli Allen
Eli Allen

caught
that video has way less views
Sure thing Poojeet, I'm not watching it.

Angel Ward
Angel Ward

I bought Ryzen because I saved almost £100 and only lose at most ~10fps on certain titles on meme ultra settings
It does everything I need and I didn't need to buy a cooler or a retarded overpriced motherboard.

Nicholas Lewis
Nicholas Lewis

complain about gamersnexus
post AdoredTV

i'm not an intel fan but seriously end yourself you fucking shill

Ethan Stewart
Ethan Stewart

What's the problem here? If you're doing a lot of 3D rendering, that's a great combo.

It doesn't change the fact that Coffee Lake CPUs are the best for gaming.

Jack Green
Jack Green

You could've saved another £100 and gotten a 5fps increase by picking up a second hand ivy bridge.

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

view count matters
Obviously you refuse to see the truth , the point about these cpus and the situations that come with it .

I'm beating a dead horse so for the final time if you only play video games do your research because it is all situational but for me personally with my experience if you play up to 1440p with 144hz there is no reason not to get a ryzen 5 1600

Pic related my old chip four months ago collecting dust

Henry Nguyen
Henry Nguyen

AdoredTV
He's one of the biggest AMD shills there is and will perform a fucking Cirque de Soleil routine to excuse anything they do. And the video didn't cover literally the only thing that is really relevant for gaming: Realworld benchmarks in GAMES.

Jordan Collins
Jordan Collins

AMD shills still shilling after the 8400 is out and it destroy every single AMD cpu on the market for less money

lmao, enjoy your 7zip benchmarks morons

Joshua Hill
Joshua Hill

What [hyperbole] is wrong with ryzen

I gotine with a motherboard for 200£ so I'm sold

Thomas Morris
Thomas Morris

perfect
hybrid solution
Hybrid solutions are never perfect, user

David Reed
David Reed

i'd get cofee lake if I fucking could
not possible to get 8400 here, out of stock all the time
went with r5 1600 for my build

Easton Jenkins
Easton Jenkins

the only social interaction with pajeets is through IT so they need to start shit

Adrian Adams
Adrian Adams

intel shills still shilling after the disaster of that was the paper launch for the cofveve lake
Z motherboards are still the only option for all coffee lake cpus
overheats worse than a Fermi card
is about to be outdated by mid next year along with the motherboard which have been the same chipset for the past 6 years
posting while his game throttles above 60 fps because intel cpus since kaby use brute force rather than optimization to play games

Adrian Bennett
Adrian Bennett

Someone tell me what the absolute best air cooling heatsink is? Its for a 7700k currently but ill be moving up next year.

Noah Morris
Noah Morris

Google is your friend this thread is filled with shills so answers will vary
We need to know what your motherboard is , ram, case
All the these variables

Joshua Jackson
Joshua Jackson

You didn't fall for the Ryzen meme, did you user?

A 4670k is good enough

William Baker
William Baker

Z motherboards are still the only option for all coffee lake cpus
Oh wow, I have to pay a whole $40 more on my motherboard than an amd budget build
overheats worse than a Fermi card
posting while his game throttles above 60 fps because intel cpus since kaby use brute force rather than optimization to play games
The 8700k is the only one with throttling issues and that's under heavy overclocks

Thomas Hughes
Thomas Hughes

Sup

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

-200C
Jesus fuck, the future is so far off for affordable cooling.

Jayden Brooks
Jayden Brooks

CINEBENCH poster spotted

Lmao

Austin Watson
Austin Watson

implying Ryzen processors aren't a cheap alternative for next gen gaming
Fuck paying top dollar for a processor with only two processors, I only paid $138 for my Ryzen 1200 and its done exactly what I've wanted it to do so far (except for a few games like say Arma 3). Not only that but I can continue to upgrade until 2020 I believe before I'll need to purchase a new Mobo. If you're on a budget I see no reason why to start using Intel, all the benchmark tests I've seen on similar processors to Ryzen are either less good, slightly better or equal.

Dylan Cox
Dylan Cox

Ryzen costs either the same or more than coffee lake though. The only difference is that coffee lake doesn't have budget mobos yet.

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

view count matters
It sure does in this context. Nobody cares about your shitty no-name videos you stupid indian.

Jason Sanchez
Jason Sanchez

Ryzen is better anyway, coffee lake is dead.

Dominic Kelly
Dominic Kelly

overheats worse than a Fermi card
That's one way of admitting you're too stupid to get into basic cooling.

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

You literally fell for the AMD viral marketing campaign.

If you're gaming, there is no reason to use Ryzen because Intel wins all the benchmarks and offers better value per frame.

Jaxon Rogers
Jaxon Rogers

when the FUCK are CPUs going to increase in performance like GPUs? Nvidia shits out 50% increases while Intel can't even do more than 5% increase

Matthew Collins
Matthew Collins

The answer is, and always will be the Noctua NH-D15.

Isaac Sanchez
Isaac Sanchez

deliding is basic cooling
What has intel done to you?

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

That's because you don't actually watch benchmarks.

If you did, you'd know Intel wipes the floor with Ryzen over 95% of games and offers better value price per frame.

It's ok, you fell for the Ryzen marketing campaign. They advertised a productivity CPU as a gaming CPU and you were suckered in like an obedient guinea pig.

Austin Myers
Austin Myers

Except when its not.

Asher Taylor
Asher Taylor

t. AMD viral marketing employee #328 - Amesh Sharma

Charles Morales
Charles Morales

She's filipino, but (maybe) had a nose job and went through skin lightening treatments.

Luke King
Luke King

They advertised a productivity CPU as a gaming CPU
believing there is a difference

This is how Intel gets to sell the shit silicon to desktop plebs who know no better and massively overcharge for better chips on their HEDT platform ( a platform that exists solely to breed exclusivity and make use of the xeon rejects).

Oliver Powell
Oliver Powell

Doesn't work with Windows 7.

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

The only difference is that coffee lake doesn't have budget mobos yet.
Damn right, I just had a look at pcpartpicker, the cheapest mobo is $179. All you get is a mere 19 percent improvement in performance over an entry level Ryzen. Intel may be the better option ultimately but if you're on a budget (like me) AMD is definitely the better option.

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Cryorig R1 Ultimate

A bitch to install though.

Comes in about 1 or 2 degrees behind top water

Juan Nelson
Juan Nelson

/thread

Jonathan Reyes
Jonathan Reyes

believing there is a difference
You mean aside from the improved performance across the vast majority of games? The 10-20% more fps?

Aside from that whole irrelevant performance thing, yeah sure, no difference.

Evan Wilson
Evan Wilson

Should have hopped on the black friday train goy. Got mine for $109

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

Because CPUs have hit a huge wall in terms of node shrinks and the limits of silicon.

Julian Price
Julian Price

ryzen 5 1600
$200
i5 8400
out of stock
Intel btfo

Hudson Roberts
Hudson Roberts

Stock level is the only thing you AMD fanboys have to cling onto.

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

my cpu nobody can buy is better than your cpu!
Very compelling argument. Keep in mind coffee lake "launched" 2 months ago. AMD really panicked intel considering they "launched" early

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

buying AMD

Daniel Campbell
Daniel Campbell

Everything that makes Intel's HEDT chips good is because they do everything "muh gaymen" cpus do and more.

Levi Gray
Levi Gray

That's because you don't actually watch benchmarks.
U wot?

If you did, you'd know Intel wipes the floor with Ryzen over 95% of games and offers better value price per frame.
The vast majority of benchmarks I've seen shows Intel beating Ryzen only by a slither. If you can prove otherwise by all means I'm willing to see.

It's ok, you fell for the Ryzen marketing campaign.
What are you talking about? I actually asked some people over at /g/ because it was my first build.

Zachary Russell
Zachary Russell

get off my board Intel Shill.

Nicholas Wilson
Nicholas Wilson

im using a new 8th gen i3 and i cant do shit while playing a game compared to a 8core 2013 fucking fx 8350e

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

Wait they're not supposed to be next to each other?
Like without anything they are:
Left middle left middle right right

I have both of them in left and middle left, so should it be left and middle right?

Robert Richardson
Robert Richardson

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1Z97ravFkyA

Jeremiah Price
Jeremiah Price

I regret falling for the ryzen meme.

It's all well and good have multiple cores, not so good if they're individually weaker than a fucking celeron.

Daniel Kelly
Daniel Kelly

Arguments have been laid out numerous times in this thread already, Pajeet. Every single time you AMD fanboys get destroyed when the word "benchmark" comes up.

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

Holy shit you're right, I dun goofed. Better open it and place it in the 1st and 3rd slot from left to right. Shit gotta go, still scratching my head on how my PC is working well atm.

Oliver Walker
Oliver Walker

See

Zachary Peterson
Zachary Peterson

If you can prove otherwise by all means I'm willing to see.
Refer to

I actually asked some people over at /g/ because it was my first build.
You asked Pajeet central? The board that shits on you for using any OS besides Linux? The board that doesn't actually play video games? Whoa, I wonder what could possibly go wrong.

Hunter Walker
Hunter Walker

At this point I should just wait for the next gen of CPUs if I'm gonna buy a new build, right?

So, Sup Forums...
AMD or Intel?

Wyatt Roberts
Wyatt Roberts

coffee lake
for games
when gaming is the one area that benchmarks have shown is still pretty much the same whether you're using a 2600k or a 8700k
the chips are pretty decent, but they're a waste of money if all you want to do is game

Luke Murphy
Luke Murphy

no HDD
where do you keep the porn???

Jordan Reed
Jordan Reed

still running pic related, would have been upgraded already but newegg only shipped my i5 8600k and mobo, forgot the ram. my current CPU really stood the test of time, only CPU intensive games like total war and PUBG bottleneck on it.
oh but it does, might not be officially supported but if you do your research you can make W7 run just fine on newer hardware.

Jackson White
Jackson White

Shit gotta go, still scratching my head on how my PC is working well atm.
There is usually no real performance difference in games from running in single vs dual.

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

want to upgrade CPU
to upgrade my CPU I have to upgrade my mobo
to upgrade my mobo I also have to upgrade my RAM
need a new fan for the CPU too because different socket
need to upgrade to W10 to actually use the CPU because of the jews at Microshill
Why can't everything be as simple as the GPU

Brandon Gonzalez
Brandon Gonzalez

tfw same post from /pcbg/
my nqqua, parts coming in tommorow

Lucas Reyes
Lucas Reyes

Just get an 8700k or 9700k and never worry about anything for at least 5 years. AMD right now has the risk of single thread bottlenecking games during cpu demanding moments which the benchmarks of walking down a straight line don't show.

Grayson Jackson
Grayson Jackson

Dude look how we overclocked a CPU to 7 GHz!
Doesn't show any benchmarks to show just how powerful it is as 7 GHz
I'll give them props for doing it but the lack of evidence of how powerful it is doesn't make it look like it's worth it

Xavier Torres
Xavier Torres

It's a novelty, a trick. Like doing a wheelie on your motocycle.

Carson Cruz
Carson Cruz

need to upgrade to W10 to actually use the CPU because of the jews at Microshill
you don't though. just google "windows 7 on coffee lake" or whatever line of chips you're looking to use. the new hardware is usable on 7, just not officially supported

Angel Nguyen
Angel Nguyen

What GPU are you using? If anything, I'd assume that's doing most of the work.

Asher Turner
Asher Turner

That's because you don't actually watch benchmarks.
You don't actually play them either :^)

Leo Walker
Leo Walker

I followed the first SSD then HDD method of building a PC, HDDs are dirt cheap anyways and I'll snag one this December.
Also
not making your own porn

Zachary Williams
Zachary Williams

Whoa, I wonder what could possibly go wrong.
Not much. I got a build that doesn't need a new mobo until 2020, I can play AAA games on max settings (if I can't its because of my graphics card unless its Arma 3), all in all, I'm satisfied. My intention was never to spend a fuck ton of money, Intel didn't offer anything cheap for what I wanted and I wasn't about to purchase anything second hand. Nothing went wrong for me. I'm happy with what I got.

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

At least it's fixed now.
Stop lying about W7 not working on Ryzen.
It's doable
It's easy to install
And it's better than W10 :^)
-t. 1700 W7 X370 Taichi owner

Adrian Turner
Adrian Turner

Not making your own Hard Drives

Camden Gonzalez
Camden Gonzalez

It's literally the best CPU for RPCS3. Intel doesn't have enough cores, at least not the ones the average mortal can afford

Carter Barnes
Carter Barnes

The same thing is said about Windows 8.1

I'm using and having nothing wrong at all.

That bullshit is a mere tactic to get users to migrate over to Windows 10 as most users are still using Windows 7.

David Johnson
David Johnson

GTX 1070

nothing crazy

Lincoln Parker
Lincoln Parker

Keep telling yourself that. Won't make it true.

You could've saved a lot on an Intel CPU.

Robert Gray
Robert Gray

Keep telling yourself that. Won't make it true.
Whatever you say.

You could've saved a lot on an Intel CPU.
You mean spend 60 dollars more? I just did research on the cheapest coffee lake processor build, it comes to 60 dollars more than my current build. 60 dollars I simply wasn't going to spend. I'll agree with ya that Intel are better ultimately but don't think for a second AMD aren't the best option if you're on a serious budget.

Nathaniel Long
Nathaniel Long

t. retard
then again, this is the same Sup Forums who knows jackshit about technology

Brayden Diaz
Brayden Diaz

But you're forgetting the most important thing: budget builds are fucking stupid. Just save up more and get something that isn't trash

Eli Brooks
Eli Brooks

tfw fell for the Kabby meme

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

I would, but...
need to delid and void warranty out of the box
need windows 10
I'll stick with my 2600K. Only thing it struggles with is cemu and that's becoming a thing of the past with every new update.

Jaxon Jones
Jaxon Jones

intel, ryzen whatever i just want to be able to play pc games. everything about pc gaming is just a pain though, probably on purpose to keep it "EXCLUSIVE MASTER RACE CLUB".
console gaming is as popular as it is because pc part companies just cant get their shit together.

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

i5 7600k is a little over $200
Yet I can't being broke as shit
I just wanna emulate PS2 games

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

can't stop*

Jacob Myers
Jacob Myers

4690k
3.5 before I start overclocking
Give it to me straight
how fucked am I?

Jack Harris
Jack Harris

Planning on joining the master race soon after upgrading from my current walmart PC. Is this good? Been saving for this build for a while

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

But you're forgetting the most important thing: budget builds are fucking stupid. Just save up more and get something that isn't trash
Except it isn't trash. It does all I want it to do, I'm happy with it.

Joshua Moore
Joshua Moore

It's christmas soon

Julian Adams
Julian Adams

No, 7th gen is completely destroyed by 8th gen as long as you can find it.

For everything else hit up /g/catalog#s=pcbg

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

that entire build

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

taichi
is that the top of their 300 series? or the budget board?
never even heard of it besides reading the name a few times
I fell for the killer SLI/ac board meme, it was the only thing in stock

Jose Sanders
Jose Sanders

You've gonna need a better CPU cooler, and PSU.

Also you'll need to get that i7 delid.

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

AMD right now has the risk of single thread bottlenecking games during cpu demanding moments
Games are multi-threaded now. Ryzen fell short in benchmarks due to older games. Newer games take advantage. It's still not where it needs to be due to the low clock speeds, but it will have longevity due its high core count, which even now is showing its worth when it comes to minimum frames, if not averages. And if Pinnacle Ridge fixes the clock speeds, then Coffee Lake will be well and truly valueless, and Intel will be forced to paper launch Cannon Lake as well in the Summer.

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

Thanks anons

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

So is it time to upgrade my 2500k yet or should wait and just upgrade my graphics card instead?

James Wilson
James Wilson

Go on /g/
Convinced Ryzen is a better choice
Go on Sup Forums
"Nah intel is better"

Isaac Sanders
Isaac Sanders

t. no source
why are you quoting your self? it's so obvious even if ryzen 2 does have better single core performance over coffee lake you'll still live in denial, you're fucking pathetic.
the sooner you become self aware the better.

Ryan King
Ryan King

There's nothing wrong with Ryzen, honestly. BUT the new i7 really is the best gaming CPU at the moment, although pricey.

Oliver Baker
Oliver Baker

I7
I was actually looking at an i5-8400 but was told that r5 1600 was the way to go.

Brayden Scott
Brayden Scott

Built this a few months ago, wish i had waited for coffee lake. actually thought i had the 7700k but realised it was the non k version when i got it and couldn't be fucked sending it back, i don't regret it.

Landon Nelson
Landon Nelson

/g/ hates videogames though so it makes sense that they'd go for Ryzen. Instead they jack off about performance in applications that they don't just because they don't have jobs.

Grayson Hernandez
Grayson Hernandez

Just get whatever's cheaper.

Jaxon Wilson
Jaxon Wilson

muh productivity

Pretty sure coffee lake is better or at least on par with ryzen for that shit unless your job is running cinebench all day. There's not even that much difference in price.

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

Completely unrelated question:

These faces... Is it a hidden rule to make and use a new one every post?
You don't have to answer, just curious.

Aiden Wilson
Aiden Wilson

Is this good?
Boi, don't be a fool.

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/hKf4KZ

Take this. Ride that motherfucker for a few years, upgrade to Zen 3 when that launches (presumably the Ryzen 4000 series) and whatever new flagship GPU and you'll be all set.

And if you must go Intel, fucks sake, do what you must and hunt down an 8700k. No other Intel CPU matters right now.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

Do you have difficulty reading?
Who cares about Coffee Lake? If you're gaming, even an Ivy Bridge will give you better performance for much less than a Ryzen.
You just fucked up dude.

Gavin Adams
Gavin Adams

only 8 threads
lmao

Evan Ramirez
Evan Ramirez

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Zachary Sanchez
Zachary Sanchez

And they said ryzen wasn't MOAR CORES 2.0

Parker Price
Parker Price

*tips 16 threads*

Brody Phillips
Brody Phillips

GIT HYPE BOIIIIII

Adam Ross
Adam Ross

4k benchmarks where performance is heavily capped and bottlenecked by the GPU

Anthony Gomez
Anthony Gomez

If you're building for gaming, you should never listen to /g/. They hate videogames and will likely meme you.

Ryzen is a good productivity card, it's NOT a gaming card.

Jason Morris
Jason Morris

They hate videogames
Literally 90% of people on PC building general are building for games.
You know technically this very thread is against the rules on Sup Forums.

Bentley Smith
Bentley Smith

i still have my fx 8350 lol never really cared since it could do 60 fsp at 1080 will update to the 1800x and wont bother with it until 2022 since it will be able to do 1080 on the new games.

Cooper Thomas
Cooper Thomas

You can max out PCSX2 on a G4400 though

Tyler Cooper
Tyler Cooper

Dont forget to change your motherboard with it. You need a 3xx series motherboard for Coffeelake

Daniel Ortiz
Daniel Ortiz

at this point the 1800x is worth waiting on to see how the ryzen refresh improves things

Joseph Sanders
Joseph Sanders

They just suggest Ryzen because it's a cheaper alternative, you idiot.

Brody Foster
Brody Foster

AMD finally makes a GPU thats worth getting again
Intel: Welcome back, @AMD! Radeon X and and Intet Y make a compelling pair.
Intel and Nvidia hate each other more than they both hate AMD

Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

You're just further proving you know nothing about computers. That, and you're an insecure aspy who needs to call people idiots.

If you want a budget gaming rig, it's cheaper to pick up a 7400 or even an Ivy Bridge and you will still get better performance than a Ryzen. Naturally you don't know this because you're a retard who listened to /g/ and bought a productivity meme card not suited for gaming.

Andrew Bailey
Andrew Bailey

Ryzen is slightly better for some online shooters and a handful of AMD optimized games like Hitman because it has good multicore performance, Intel Skylake+ is better for every other kind of game and still performs nearly as good in online shooters (also much better for emualtion). Go with intel if you play other games besides Battlefield, PUBG, etc.

Aaron Cooper
Aaron Cooper

You're talking out of your ass. Who the fuck is going to buy an outdated fucking card like an Ivy Bridge?

There's nothing wrong with Ryzen you retarded fanboy.

Jose Gutierrez
Jose Gutierrez

They suggested it to me because coffee lake CPU locking and because overclocking options. Another user also started screaming house fire at me.

Asher Price
Asher Price

CPU
"card"

Angel Butler
Angel Butler

that pc
450w bronze psu

Samuel Miller
Samuel Miller

It's literally a 1 off thing and destroys the hardware, its not for performance

Henry Foster
Henry Foster

You're talking out of your ass
Further proving your sheer stupidity with this complete non-argument.

Who the fuck is going to buy an outdated fucking card like an Ivy Bridge?
If you knew anything about computers, you'd know even a 6-7 year old Ivy Bridge CPU can outperform a Ryzen 1600 in most modern games. Alas, you don't know anything about computers.

Even a 2-core Pentium can outperform the Ryzen in most games.

There's nothing wrong with Ryzen you retarded fanboy.
Coming from the retard mindlessly defending his favorite brand, deflecting logical arguments with emotional posts. You're not qualified to argue on this matter.

It's pretty evident you bought the Ryzen, and you're getting upset at the thought you made the wrong decision.

Daniel Johnson
Daniel Johnson

450W bronze is no problem. The problem is that it's a fucking Corsair CX PSU.

Jason Taylor
Jason Taylor

that price for that ram
What the fuck I got the same ones 1.5 years ago for 65$

Nathaniel Wright
Nathaniel Wright

I need sleep.

Coming from the retard mindlessly defending his favorite brand

look at the fucking irony here

David Lee
David Lee

Ryzen is currently worse than Intel offerings in gaming and emulation due to most games not being optimized for ryzen like pubg. Also emulation is very single threaded and favors clocks > cores. The max you need for emulation is 4 cores but with high clocks and ipc.

Thomas Martin
Thomas Martin

Arent Corsair/Seasonic the toptier brands in psu's?

Josiah Taylor
Josiah Taylor

Nobody's going to buy a fucking Ivy Bridge in what is pretty much 2018.

Coming from the retard mindlessly defending his favorite brand

No, you're just a retarded with an inferiority complex.

Angel Hill
Angel Hill

a 6-7 year old Ivy Bridge CPU can outperform a Ryzen 1600 in most modern games

Gonna need source on this.

Julian Nelson
Julian Nelson

tfw got ryzen 7
wanted to get 3000mhz flare X ram
sold out
get 16 gigs of 2400 mhz flare X
still $175

Henry Sullivan
Henry Sullivan

that webm

Adam Rogers
Adam Rogers

Fuck are you doing?
https://youtu.be/J4bM83_Jmp4?t=6m57s

Back in times of yore.
I would know. I lost a 280x to the CX meme once and a hard drive

Anthony Morgan
Anthony Morgan

Seasonic are, the only corsair psus that are any good are manufactured by Seasonic.

Evan Williams
Evan Williams

waiting for Zen+

Gabriel Watson
Gabriel Watson

yfw you didnt buy a 7k series intel and get fucked
yfw you bought amd and dont have to worry about mobo socket fuckery
yfw always unlocked CPUS

Dylan Gomez
Dylan Gomez

/v/ trying to pretend they understand tech

Henry Flores
Henry Flores

playing the waiting game
by the time Zen+ comes out something better will be on the horizon

Jeremiah Brown
Jeremiah Brown

Only the high end corsairs are good and finally enough I think that's because seasonic makes them for corsair. All the best psu's like the top end antec, xfx, evga, corsairs etc are just rebadges of seasonic psu's.

Zachary Flores
Zachary Flores

mfw didn't fall for the Poozen meme

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

always unlocked cpus
can barely push 200 mhz more than stock clocks

Kevin Nelson
Kevin Nelson

corsairs older PSUs from 2010 are good

EVGA's are really good now

Brody Jenkins
Brody Jenkins

AM4 socket was confirmed swappable anyway

Jackson Gonzalez
Jackson Gonzalez

Funnily *

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

buying a 6-7 year old CPU because you hate AMD that much

Mason Russell
Mason Russell

EVGA's are just relabeled Seasonic PSU's though.

Austin Nelson
Austin Nelson

using shitty cooler

my Ryzen 7 runs at 3.9ghz stable all the time, could probably do 4ghz

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

It's pretty evident you bought the Ryzen, and you're getting upset at the thought you made the wrong decision.

What the fuck do you have against Ryzen?

BTFO

Charles Moore
Charles Moore

tfw dont have an unlocked i5 cpu
still can push atleast 400mhz OC

Aaron Thompson
Aaron Thompson

They usually don't last long is the problem. Typically it breaks the processor due to the massive temperature changes causing very rapid shrinking/expanding.

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

Kind of want to buy 8700K because muh 5GHz and 6 cores
Have 6700K at 4.5GHz and the upgrade would only really be noticeable when editing video
Part of me wants to do it just for the sake of having the best, but the other half of me is too lazy to rebuilt my computer and sell my current board and CPU. What do you think a Z170 Asus Hero and 6700K is worth used? I figure its got to be worth at least $350, so the upgrade cost of upgrading to Z370 and 8700K would be about $250.

Cooper Turner
Cooper Turner

interesting, is it really having so many problems? i make video games so i want to have a cheap production chip.

Thomas Ward
Thomas Ward

Just wait out a few months till Intel releases their 8 core 16 threads cpus. Coffelake is a sham much like Kaby. 8700k's are still barely available anyway.

Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry

I'm not buy shit, now that mining spiked prices again.

Jeremiah Baker
Jeremiah Baker

it's not about having problems

just the refresh is so close you might as well wait for it instead of considering upgrading /when/ they come out

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

hmm. okay.

Gabriel Morales
Gabriel Morales

but don't let it stop you if you want to adopt early and start churning out results now

also the only reason to get a 1700X, 1800, or 1800X is if you're not comfortable with overclocking. if you are you can cheap out and get a 1700 (same core/thread count as 1800X) and OC it to make up the performance gap (all ryzen OC about the same anyway)

Also Ryzen loves faster RAM (3000/3200MHz) which will chew into the budget a bit.

Christopher Wilson
Christopher Wilson

Zen+ launches in February. Zen 2 isn't coming until 2018, and Covfefe Lake still hasn't moved on from its paper launch, so unless Intel somehow goes whatever level would be below paper launch, Cannon Lake won't be out for a while either. Zen+ will take care of Zen's one and only weakness, the clock speeds and is right around the corner, so waiting for that is actually the exact right call.

Adrian Williams
Adrian Williams

the chip tends to drop to the 250 bucks line all the time so i guess will wait.

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

/g/ cares only about benchmarks. They don't care about real applications.

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

I got
i5 8600k
MSI Z370 MB
G.SKILL 2x8gb 3200mhz RAM
m.2 500gb SSD

I am keeping my 980 ti for now because fuck GPU prices.

I bought a new case that still hasn't arrived and the wait is killing me.

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

He's just an Intel fanboy, it's pretty evident.

Levi Morales
Levi Morales

/g/ goes for practicality. For general use Ryzen is great, but if you're mainly going a vidya route and/or streaming then the Coffee Lake is probably a better idea.

Christopher Ward
Christopher Ward

And Sup Forums doesn't?

Gabriel Morris
Gabriel Morris

Zen 2 is targetted for 2019. 2018 is Zen+ plus which will be on a 12nm process. Zen 2 is the 7nm process which is definitely not ready yet.

Lincoln Russell
Lincoln Russell

What did you have before?

Eli Rogers
Eli Rogers

Only the 8700k is cut out for streaming, anything below 12 threads has a rougher go of it.

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

*Zen 2 in 2019, my mistake.

Jaxon Taylor
Jaxon Taylor

Nobody's going to buy a fucking Ivy Bridge in what is pretty much 2018.
still no argument
Further confirming your idiocy.

Ryzen is not a gaming CPU and you havent made a single argument to prove otherwise.

Grayson Jenkins
Grayson Jenkins

being an idiot

being an idiot

Ryzen is not a gaming CPU. If you bought one for gaming, you are retarded because you could've gotten better performance for less money with even an older Intel. The proof is in the benchmarks.

Talk about a salty case of buyer's remorse. Not my fault you're retarded.

Gavin Davis
Gavin Davis

i5 2500k
Z68 Gigabyte MB broken with only one working RAM slot that I have dealt with for years
ONE 8gb 1600mhz ddr3 stick
standard HDDs never had SSD before

I know the CPU is a beast but my other shit was making my system chug. Can't wait to put my new shit together.

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

Go away already.

Jason Roberts
Jason Roberts

literally proves my point

Anthony Lopez
Anthony Lopez

/g/ just gets the overall best choice value. Just make a thread about asking what the best cpu is for gaming they will tell you >>>>>>>> Sup Forums is that way.
Considering most run linux they can barely play vidya anyway.

Xavier Jones
Xavier Jones

No. I love it when you get visibly asspained over your stupidity being exposed.

I will never stop laughing at morons who bought Ryzen for gaming.

Mason Lewis
Mason Lewis

How much is Intel paying you to keep spewing the same shit over again?

Hudson Wood
Hudson Wood

I didn't buy a Ryzen though. Keep sucking Intel's cock though.

Evan Walker
Evan Walker

Fuck that sucks

2500k is still perfectly fine

Carter Peterson
Carter Peterson

The SSD is honestly the biggest upgrade upgrade there. Been using SSDs since 2012 when they were priced a dollar a gig, was well worth it.

Isaac Sanders
Isaac Sanders

tell you facts
"s-shill!"
I'm fully aware of how jewish Intel are, but if you think AMD aren't jewish either, you're retarded.

At the end of the day, facts matter more than your loyalty to AMD, and whether you like it or not, it makes 0 sense to use a Ryzen for gaming unless multi-threadding games are your thing (small catalog).

Cooper Clark
Cooper Clark

I know, but I figured if I'm going to get a new MOBO and RAM I'd have to get a new compatible CPU. Also switching from win7 to 10.

My pc takes ages to boot. I am fucking ready for an SSD.

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

Nah, you're an idiot spreading misinformation. I'll keep going.

Gabriel Phillips
Gabriel Phillips

Coffe Lake: Still out of stock
Earliest delivery expected mid January
Still have to buy overpriced motherboard

So glad I didn't wait for this crap. It might be 5% faster than a 1600x, but a 1600x is available and cheap

Ian Allen
Ian Allen

2500k is still perfectly fine

Depends on what you're doing. I moved from a 2500k to a 8700k and the difference is night and day. The frametimes on a 2500k for 120hz was dog shit, stuttering happened constantly and the 1% & 0.1% framerates were much worse.

2500k is "perfectly fine" if you're ok with 60hz that still has frametime issues on newer games.

Gabriel Powell
Gabriel Powell

Thank you, Intel will be depositing the money intro your account shortly.

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

Did you buy an nvme m.2 ssd or a sata m.2 ssd?

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

That didn't happen, they have a general for PC builders.

Lincoln Evans
Lincoln Evans

bought one 2 days ago
last in stock
enjoy the wait I guess

Christian Ramirez
Christian Ramirez

nvme

Liam Wood
Liam Wood

My apologies

Asher Green
Asher Green

it makes 0 sense to use a Ryzen for gaming unless multi-threadding games are your thing
sounds like this is perfect for modern gaming and older, less-demanding single-threaded games

thanks to your sarcasm you've helped me not fall for the intel meme user!

Dominic Flores
Dominic Flores

Ryzen works for gaming just fine and Coffee Lake is a shitty overpriced hotplate on the high end because Intel are greedy/cheap as fuck and still use TIM and expect retards on Sup Forums to buy new mobos every year to get the benefit of +5 FPS in1080p benchmarks for games they don't play

Buy whatever- in practice it'll all be the same if you're not buying the cheapest offerings. If you're playing at 1440p+ it matters even less. Vega does suck though, get a 1070 or 1080ti.

Intel is stuck with an architecture that will likely fall behind Ryzen iterations in the future because Intel assumed AMD wouldn't produce anything remotely competitive- which maybe wasn't a TERRIBLE bet since faildozer and shithammer were so unbelievably bad. If Ryzen+ turns out to get a solid IPC/clockspeed bump it'll be an even better choice.

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

m.2
Was it worth it? I'm on 850 evo ssd, will upgrade even be noticeable at this point

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

So what the hell is with i7 and weird temp spikes?

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

It might be 5% faster
It actually varies from 10-20% faster, and it's A LOT better for emulation.

Enjoy your non-gaming CPU. You'll probably have to upgrade it soon to keep up with the next wave of modern games, but hey, at least you retain your AM4 socket.

Matthew Russell
Matthew Russell

bbbuy 6700k last year
Won't have to buy a new cpu for many many years

Why are there new cpu's coming out all the time?

Angel Torres
Angel Torres

Coffee Lake barely registers on the chart 3 months after release. Worst paper launch in the history of paper launches.

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

I take it you loved Avatar and Titanic?

Christian Rogers
Christian Rogers

Because there are many consumer whores willing to drop hundreds of dollars on extremely small upgrades that they don't need and won't notice outside of testing.

Hudson Baker
Hudson Baker

Coffee Lake is 10% faster single threaded
Ryzen is 30% faster multithreaded

these differences are so small you will never notice them in the real world.

Jayden Thompson
Jayden Thompson

fuck video games i want to hear more about this lake of coffee

Adam Clark
Adam Clark

Enjoy your non-gaming CPU

would you fucking stop already

Landon Thompson
Landon Thompson

tfw i got one 2 days after the paperlaunch
Feels good man

Levi Edwards
Levi Edwards

Titanic is a good movie

Aiden Powell
Aiden Powell

intel leads sales
"why would you buy amd, the market has spoken and said they're terrible"
amd leads sales
"why would you just buy the popular one, are you just some consumer whore?"

Tyler Hughes
Tyler Hughes

When did I ever say sales matter? Only stupid people think this.

Marketing affects sales more than any technical qualities, and AMD's viral marketing campaign conned a lot of dumb dumbs into believing Ryzen was a gaming CPU by virtue of taking better advantage of DX12 and Vulkan.

Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

Not that guy, but many people consider nvme to be a meme because for day to day general use, you won't notice huge increase in performance for nvme vs sata.

NVME is objectively faster than SATA, but you pay a premium for it, and most people don't think the premium is worth it when SATA SSDs are so fast anyway.

When you compare HDDs, SATA SSDs and NVME SSDs for daily use, the random read speeds are the most important part of performance, a high end hard drive like the 7200RPM WD Blacks have a random 4K read speed of only about 1MB/s, a SATA SSD like the Samsung 850 Evo has a random 4K read speed of about 100MB/s, a 100x increase over the HDD, it's the difference between clicking on a program and it opening in 0.3 of a second vs 5 seconds. An NVME drive like the Samsung 960 Evo only has random read speed of 110MB/s, it's faster than the SATA drive, but only just, and when the difference is your program opens in 0.2 seconds instead of 0.3 seconds, most people don't think that NVME, which typically has nearly double the price per gigabyte to be worth while.

Logan Peterson
Logan Peterson

Oh so I just overpaid? That's fine.

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

There's nothing wrong with nvme, it will eventually become the standard when it loses its "new thing on the block" tax in a few years, but most people would just rather be better off buying a sata ssd with more storage space than an nvme ssd for the same price.

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

It's Nvidias with the shitty driver updates that break cards

Carter Carter
Carter Carter

Worst paper launch in the history of paper launches.
Pretty sure that's Vega.

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