>When browser vendors make breaking changes to developer APIs, it's left to add-on and extension creators whether they fix their offerings. Usually, if it's a small change, no problem. But what about massive overhauls? For Luís Miguel, responsible for a number of popular Firefox add-ons, Mozilla's switch to the WebExtensions API this year will signal his exit from the add-on scene.
>Rather than rework his add-ons, which include FindBar Tweak, OmniSidebar and Beyond Australis, Miguel has decided to call it quits
mozilla firefox is a sinking ship, even i've stopped using firefox, and i used to love firefox back in the day
Easton King
good thing none of those have any value to me
Zachary Scott
Use palememe
Jaxon Watson
I installed Windows 10 for the first time the other day and when I booted up Internet Explorer (to install Chrome, of course), I actually took pause and thought, "Wow, this is nice." I considered using it and checking to see if it's still as bad as it used to be. I just realized when I saw this thread that I haven't considered using Firefox for a few years now. I am legitimately considering IE over FF nowadays.
Ryder Powell
The WebExtensions API is a port of Chrome's API for extensions with a few minor differences. They're trying to make it easy for Chrome extensions to be ported to Firefox.
They may lose many old extensions, but they're hoping to gain a lot more new ones.
Ian Perez
what are you using now?
I came back to FF a few months ago after my chrome affair, tired of Google getting all my info. Just use it for email and drive now.
Parker Diaz
only addon any needs is uBlock origin i don't give a fuck about this chink OP, not using your fucking Google Chrome so bite it
Weird how they failed to mention his most popular addon: Tab Groups
Gabriel Flores
What about HTTPS Everywhere and Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey?
Asher Lopez
Firefox is such a slow piece of shit nowadays but I still can't move from it because I absolutely addicted to some addons and customization.
Gavin Perry
> glorified script author of shit tier add-ons can't be fucked to learn a new API > "OMFG Firefox on suicide watch!!!!!1"
Carson Parker
Not needed. uMatrix, uBo.
Isaac Brooks
Chromium is the only ethical and logical choice for a web browser in 2017.
Jordan Perry
They might lose users as well
Jack Murphy
>caring about chrome add-ons
U got ublock,and grease monkey that is all you need
Owen Jones
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Jordan Phillips
When the update is released almost all add-ons will break, maybe 20% of them will be fixed, maybe 20% more will be essentially re-made by other people. With such an unreliable development environment, add-on developers will just move to something with a more stable foundation.
The only reason people ever used Firefox over Chrome (once Chrome got its instability stable) was for the add-ons. Soon there will be nothing but flag-wavers using Firefox.
Carson Robinson
So what you're saying is that you're too stupid and/or lazy to audit the code of an open source project for yourself? Mmm, very interesting.
Don't even need to audit code. Clearly see in uMatrix logger that Chrome/ium is home calling botnet.
Christian Nelson
>has his new tab page set to a Google service >it contacts Google
Very interesting, I'd never have expected that!
Parker Nelson
Everyone used to love FIrefox. But then the decline began at around about the same time they switched to the rapid release schedule.
Mason Cruz
Who? I would panic if uBlock origin, uMatrix, HTTPS Everywhere, and Greasemonkey/Tampermonkey are deprecated in FF.
Juan Gomez
Not him but are you sure that new tab is the cause chromium is calling home?
Joshua Butler
Replaced with empty tab, still botnet. There will be no ungoogled-chromium if Chromium wasn't botnet.
Michael Brooks
So far we have 3 big add-ons pretty much confirmed to be dead: Classic Theme Restorer Down Them All Greasemonkey
Brandon Rivera
This Once May hits, every TreeStyleTabs fan will have no proper home. >Vivaldi only has Vertical Tabs >Pale Moon doesn't work with TreeStyleTabs (The workaround doesn't work) >Qupzilla doesn't have a proper replacemnt (close but no cigar) >Firefox ESR will only delay for some long (Early 2018)
We need a home! A proper one!
Brandon White
fucking vimperator is broken and you can't use any of it's functions that handle tabs now. No closing tabs, opening new ones, etc. What a fucking shitshow, what do I even bother with now? Am I just done with the internet finally?
Jaxson Reyes
Literally every Chrome-only extension is shit
Grayson Smith
DTA dev quit, other devs have been doing the same, most of them did low level stuff which Mozilla has no actual plan to keep supporting despite promising to bring some API's in the future The only dev Mozilla has been forthcoming with is the NoScript author, which has enraged every other dev since no fucks have been given about them
Justin Evans
>Only have been able to enjoy tree style tabs for a year and it's already being taken away from me
Aaron Martinez
Greasemonkey is dead, Tampermonkey can't work without quite some rework in Fx With Mozilla just telling devs to fuck off no one will port Tampermonkey
Ethan Collins
>Miguel >shit, useless, unheard of extensions >thinks this is relevant No thanks, I'll keep using nightly Firefox.
Sebastian Edwards
This. µBlock origin is thankfully still supported.
Landon Hall
Tab Groups.
Christopher Wood
Finally, was about time they broke it.
Landon Lopez
That is why 6.75 % of internet users is using Firefox. But tell that to Mozilla ://
Asher Williams
Where'd you get that number from? The official alexa ranking says it's only 3,85% market share.
Stop making shit up.
William Wright
gs dot statcounter dot com
Noah Hall
>statcounter >a site made by Aodhan Cullen, a well known Mozilla supporter
Yeah, totally believable
Eli Anderson
I only use uBlock and ASP for screencaps. Never heard about this douche.
Ayden Sanchez
I don't give a fuck, why are you telling me that?
Asher Morgan
>greasemonkey/tampermonkey >not needed you high?
Xavier Cook
This isn't the first, the guy that maintains the tab groups addon and a few others said he wasn't going to port it to web extension as it's too much work so was just going to stop working on it.
How long do I have to wait for a decent fork of firefox that is commited to using XLU?
Nicholas Foster
Palemoon sort of fits the bill in that it still keeps up with features while being based on the original designs of Firefox. The problem is compatibility with addons made for modern Firefox isn't great.
Benjamin White
If forking will be done then it will be done around Firefox 57 release. There are probably to few people even realizing their addons are going to vanish later this year.
Levi Reed
Shit sucks
Isaiah Ortiz
I will take action when something actually happens. Not whenever I hear of news like this.
Noah Parker
To be honest their plans to drop XUL are already set in stone. It IS going to happen.
Caleb Bennett
Lol somebody already forgot the whole chromium microphone incident
Oliver Turner
To be honest that shit was in compile flags. Most people just don't go through compile flags, this includes Debian apparently.
Ryder Watson
>popular >Miguel Literally who?
Christopher Hill
>mozilla firefox is a sinking ship Chrome is a sinking ship for "power users" as well
things that recently got changed - "view website certificate" button got moved into dev console somewhere - "change encoding" setting removed completely
Adrian Lee
can you have tree style tabs and down them all with webextensions? no! what a load of shit they are literally downgrading their extension system
all chrome extensions are basic shit and you can find a Firefox equivalent of any useful chrome extension already
Isaiah Moore
Hold on, are you telling me that Firefox is soon going to irreversibly break tree style tabs?
Fuck. I guess there is no good browser anymore.
Benjamin Allen
That's because the chrome web store is a) set up as a fucking app store that also hosts media and games and unrelated nonsense and b) is impossible to find anything in.
Aaron Gutierrez
Power users are marginal in whole population. This is in no way equivalent argument.
Mason Nguyen
Which means it doesn't matter if Firefox changes because only power users use anything other than uBlockO, HTTPS everywhere and downloadhelper/yt-dl, which will remain on Firefox no matter what. Which just makes this thread pointless.
Andrew Fisher
No it doesn't. Normies don't use FF at all. They all use chrome or safari. All FF has are power users. We are literally lambs to the slaughter in mozillas attempt to regain normie population by allowing them to install magic actions for youtube.
Ethan Lewis
>normies don't use firefox Except this is false
Ryder Foster
>Hey, look mommy... I'm a bad boy. Can I get a prize? FUCK OFF!
Ryder Fisher
Because they tried to become Chrome.
You will never be better at being Chrome than Chrome. So stop trying.
Chase Thomas
Pale Moon is better than Firefox, just use that.
Lincoln Gonzalez
The problem is that they want to drop all the low-level APIs from Firefox when that was the very reason Firefox was so successful in the first place; it could become anything anybody needed.
Hell, it was a perfect drop-in replacement for Opera 12 with three addons, my usage patterns barely changed at all. Same with IE users who transitioned to Firefox; a few changes and it could be functionally be just like IE.
But that's all going the way of the Dodo, now; welcome to the age of "you're too stupid to have anything but high-level APIs".
Mozilla staff think themselves misunderstood savants of the highest order.
Carson Taylor
>We removed a feature people want >someone made an addon for it >it is popular as fuck >"Damn if people find out they will think we are incompetent hurrdurr"
Hudson Edwards
This is Mozilla's home page.
They don't even care about the browser anymore. They're now solving social programs and are empowering niggers in Africa or some shit like that.
RIP Firefox.
William Jenkins
get esr and don´t update it why does everyone seem to imply most current version or nothing? it´s hardly like they are fixing many important things.
Angel Parker
>djeez FF is slow and still not multiprocess >m-fucking assholes are removing XUL to enable multiprocess and speed things up I HATE THEM
neckbeards, you cant please them
Joshua Cooper
gr8 b8 m8
Jaxson Long
Saw this shit yesterday, jesus.
Oliver Turner
>DTA dev quit Thank fuck, that shit kind of download manager that shits all over TCP bandwidth sharing deserves to die.
Luis Williams
WTF? I thought my DNS is poisoned but others see this shit too. Sup Forums-fox when?
David Hall
>pickup truck lacking in performance >remove pick up bed to make it faster >everyone upset
Fucking carpenters, can't please them!
John Long
At my job, I occasionally have to do some web projects and on one occasion, Firefox produced a bug while all other browsers (including IE) didn't. I joked to my colleague (ff user) that IE was the best browser anyway. Since then, IE was the only browser to not make any problems at all, so it became a positive meme. Not gonna switch though
Eli Thompson
>attach a trailer aka webextensions >problem solved
Fucking truckers, can't please them!
Ryan Cruz
>stealing your car analogies from HN
you little bitch faggot
Jeremiah Young
Car analogies are way flawed, but if they definitely had to do something about both multiprocess and security.
XUL was powerful, but it was pretty shit all things considered. That new API is much better, I just hope they can be pressured into making it powerful enough to do everything that we could do before.
Ryder Scott
ill clock ur gabber u cheeky cunt
Isaiah Morgan
You don't understand. It is not possible for these add ons to be ported over to the new API because you can't do shit on the new API There is a reason why Chrome has little to no customization and it's not because every dev in the world is retarded
Justin Collins
If I can't use extensions to modify tabs I'll just not update Firefox to the new version ever.
Austin Jones
are there any plans for sandboxing?
Mason Sanders
What is TabCenter?
Ryan Peterson
Not one of the tab related extensions that I use.
Alexander Cox
Which browser should I switch to?
Easton James
>I want my setup to stay exactly the same but i don't care about the extension that tries to replicate it with the new, faster and more secure API As you wish user. But don't go on and spout outright lies then.
Jaxson Kelly
Just use the Firefox ESR until someone makes something better. Don't need to jump ship entirely just because the new versions are retarded.