Just a quick reminder that macOS and FreeBSD are the only OS's that actually...

Kevin Harris
Kevin Harris

Just a quick reminder that macOS and FreeBSD are the only OS's that actually have a up-to-date filesystem.

All urls found in this thread:
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/APFS_Guide/FAQ/FAQ.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40016999-CH6-DontLinkElementID_3
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zfs&searchon=names
Colton Moore
Colton Moore

Can't wait for macOS 10.13.
Already have it on my laptop and it's pretty good for a beta but want to wait for final before I update my main.

Zachary Campbell
Zachary Campbell

Why should I care, again?

Dylan Morales
Dylan Morales

i can't even read that, phoneposter

Cameron Jenkins
Cameron Jenkins

Do you have a mental disability? You can run ZFS on Linux. GNU is also a userspace and has absolutely nothing to do with kernel filesystems.

William Gonzalez
William Gonzalez

Windows have ReFS its used in windows server 2012+ and will be used as next FS after NTFS

John Young
John Young

Can't boot, motherfucker. Can't simply install on ZFS, idiot.

Ethan Bell
Ethan Bell

Then Microdick decided it was too expensive, and killed it.

Gotta have more tablet features!

Juan Edwards
Juan Edwards

NTFS is a good filesystem but many of the features are hidden from the user in Windows because of some backwards compatibility bullshit

Xavier Russell
Xavier Russell

Yes you fucking can, autist. You can compile it straight into the kernel or have it as a module on an initramfs. It's so fucking easy that the Ubuntu installer will do it for you.

Eli Brown
Eli Brown

No they didn't. Are you thinking of WinFS?

Andrew Jenkins
Andrew Jenkins

Nope, and nobody cares about excuses...

No, you don't. The Ubuntu installer HAD it, and then they had to remove it.

Where is it now? Bitch? They stopped.

Nathaniel Baker
Nathaniel Baker

Being added to win10 pro ws in the fall

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

Yeah they stopped winfs and made refs instead.

Dominic Miller
Dominic Miller

t. mactoddler who can't compile a kernel

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

You can create a ReFS partition in Windows 8+ right now

Nope, and nobody cares about excuses...
This is a thread about the filesystems themselves instead of the OS-specific implementation of the filesystem, no?

Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

"Maybe next time", they have been promissing it for ages!

Yes, I can, but I won't, just I don't wash my dishes.

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

What are you talking about, retard? ReFS is still being actively developed.

Ryan Morris
Ryan Morris

the city of you

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

Wasn't APFS the one that dropped unicode normalization.
Leading to all sorts of fun with HFS+ migration and everything using non-ASCII characters?

Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

No, it's all BS by the obvious haters...

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

What about OpenIndiana from which FreeBSD's ZFS is ported from? Also, ZoL is pretty stable.

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

Jesus Christ you're an idiot.

Ethan Brooks
Ethan Brooks

APFS
botched normalization of filenames
fake copies of files.
yeah no

David Cooper
David Cooper

So that's why Apple itself advises to use "high level APIs" when dealing with the FS instead of letting the FS itself handle things.
I see it now.

Source:
https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/FileManagement/Conceptual/APFS_Guide/FAQ/FAQ.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40016999-CH6-DontLinkElementID_3

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

Ext3COW is a thing, though I don't know if it's stable enough for mainstream use.
Reiser4 has different writing strategies and COWs some stuff
ZFS is available through FUSE.

Noah Young
Noah Young

The only reason zfs isn't supported out of the box on linux is because of incompatible licences. You can still manually compile it into the kernel though.

Julian Cruz
Julian Cruz

Yeah, works out of the box? I don't care.

Adrian Gray
Adrian Gray

If you don't care, don't post on a board that is, by definition, for people who care.

Connor Barnes
Connor Barnes

Doesn't work out of the box, because it's not part of Linux.

ZFS worked on macOS before APFS was even announced via legitimate kernel extensions, didn't make ZFS a Mac filesystem.

Joshua Kelly
Joshua Kelly

You can use zfs on any linux distro worth a shit. I use it on my file server runing suse.

Christian Roberts
Christian Roberts

Technically, APFS isn't part of MacOS either. It's just the only OS that supports it.

Jack Watson
Jack Watson

Can you even copy URLs into macs ctrl+O like on Windows?

Justin Brooks
Justin Brooks

You high?

What do you even mean?

Can you even drag&drop on Windows, while using the keyboard and scrolling?

Daniel Rodriguez
Daniel Rodriguez

You're a retard. ReFS supports CoW, furthermore with Storage Spaces Direct and CSV_ReFS it supports spanning multiple servers and reading/writing to them in parallel. Neither APFS nor ZFS supports this natively, and you have to run a bullshit FS on top of ZFS to accomplish it.

Easton Lewis
Easton Lewis

Ubuntu ships ZFS, you can install it as your base filesystem out of the box. Are you actually fucking retarded.

Cooper Butler
Cooper Butler

if only Windows supported ReFS.

For the fucking 1923912839812TH time.

UBUNTU
DOES
NOT
SHIP
WITH
ZFS
ANYMORE
BECAUSE
STALLMAN
SAID
SO
BECAUSE
ZFS
IS
NOT
GPL
SO
YOU
ALL
BEND
THE
KNEE
FREETARDS
AND
SETTLE
FOR
INFERIOR
SOFTWARE

Jaxon Cooper
Jaxon Cooper

if only Windows supported ReFS.
How retarded are you?

Jack Morgan
Jack Morgan

Nice, you labeled one of your drives "SOFS"

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

Scale Out File Server.

Nathan Jackson
Nathan Jackson

click "choose file"
paste URL instead a file on hard drive
it uploads

Jeremiah Jenkins
Jeremiah Jenkins

Why are you so upset about file systems? Is it because the obscure inner workings of Darwin / BSD are all you have left after Apple slowly burned everything else to the ground in every update since Snow Leopard?

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Are there better file managers on Linux than Caja?
You can't even move/rename files/create folders when you ctrl+o, and ctrl+f seems to inconsistently work.

Gavin Martin
Gavin Martin

btrfs works fine for me.

Elijah Jackson
Elijah Jackson

I use BtrFS on Linux and it works just fine, never had any issue of any kind. Supports COW and all the shit you stated in your outdated array.

Hudson Long
Hudson Long

and it's waaay faster than zfs, scales better, etc.

Luis Bennett
Luis Bennett

Is op a troll or just retarded? Almost everything he claims it false

Jason Price
Jason Price

I love IllumOS but there's very little reasons to use it over FreeBSD

Michael Sullivan
Michael Sullivan

i'am mentally retarded, the post

Asher Davis
Asher Davis

Ubuntu™ installer comes with ZFS, so you can use Ubuntu™ with ZFS.

Gabriel Hughes
Gabriel Hughes

can someone give me the basic gestalt of freebsd?

Adam Campbell
Adam Campbell

What's wrong with ext4 other than lacking CoW?

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

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< what's a CoW? >
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Caleb Scott
Caleb Scott

up-to-date filesystem
yes other filesystems are unable to store timestamps, good one frend

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

Btrfs is a piece of shit lol. I'm all for ZFS alternatives, but btrfs is literal shit. Hopefully bcachefs gets somewhere because btrfs is doomed

Oliver Reed
Oliver Reed

Also a 100% proprietary filesystem

Nathaniel Bell
Nathaniel Bell

For the fucking 1923912839812TH time.

UBUNTU
DOES
NOT
SHIP
WITH
ZFS

Are you actually retarded. Serious question.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/ZFS
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=zfs&searchon=names

Notice that they're still present in Universe for both Zesty (current release) and Artful (next release). Not to mention that I know people who work at Canonical, and they haven't mentioned any plans to stop distributing ZFS.

It would've taken you 5 minutes to search it up, why are you so fucking autistic.

Evan Reyes
Evan Reyes

MacOS. I am a Mac owner. Fucking bullshit system, everything is a bad dangerous hack on a bad dangerous hack.
HFS+ is a joke, always loosing permissions and needing filesystem repair.

Christian Hill
Christian Hill

HFS2.0

Thomas Thomas
Thomas Thomas

And actually it's in the main repos for 16.10 and later (not just universe).

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

Pretending it matters when gluster storage or object storage exist

Kevin Edwards
Kevin Edwards

Copy-on-Write, the basis of OP's non-argument.

Matthew Parker
Matthew Parker

mac
good filesystem
is this a joke?

Mason Nguyen
Mason Nguyen

Suse
Linux distro worth a shit

You poor lost soul

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

HFS+ already is essentially HFS2.0.

Kevin Perry
Kevin Perry

copy-on-write
Enjoy your wasted space OP.

Joseph Cook
Joseph Cook

you don't know what copy-on-write means or does

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

APFS is actually good. The only problem with it was the unicode normalization, and they fixed that already

Isaac Perez
Isaac Perez

disk powers off before my COW flushes to disk
No wonder Btrfs and ZFS makes snapshots all the time, you guys must lost data all the time.

Charles James
Charles James

disk powers off before my COW flushes to disk
Then you wouldn't lose any data because nothing has been overwritten

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

write caching isn't unique to CoW filesystems
besides, CoW has the advantage in this case anyway, as an incomplete write means the old data is still intact, as it wasn't overwriting the old data directly

Gabriel Kelly
Gabriel Kelly

you wouldn't lose any data
What about the data you didn't flush because of COW's retardation?

COW flushes less often. Also, Why the fuck would I want COW if I don't want local backups? Good for a NAS but keep that shit away from my laptop.

Ethan Cook
Ethan Cook

Mac OS
Good Filesystem

Pick one.

*BSD
This one is correct.

Hudson Harris
Hudson Harris

you are right, the osx file system cannot be beat!

Dylan Sanders
Dylan Sanders

What about the data you didn't flush because of COW's retardation?

disk loses power before writing data
why don't I have this data?
Are you retarded?

Camden Peterson
Camden Peterson

COW flushes less often.
"CoW" doesn't have anything to do with when or if writes are being cached or flushed, it's just a filesystem feature

Nathaniel Lee
Nathaniel Lee

btrfs is the best fs faggot.

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

data loss is more likely with a FS than with another
somehow a feature
Faggot, use it on your own machine. You're probably underaged brown people who think they use the "best" OS.

Isaiah Torres
Isaiah Torres

dataloss is harder to do with CoW, as you're not directly overwriting data

William Hall
William Hall

Wasted space.

Ethan Lewis
Ethan Lewis

Holy shit you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about

Chase Morales
Chase Morales

it doesn't waste space, a complete write causes the previous data to become available for use
you're only using additional space /during/ a write, not before or after
it's kind of like journaling, which some non-CoW filesystems have, only more integrated

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

HFS2.0
shat out by the same poo in loos that shat out HFS

Elijah Cooper
Elijah Cooper

Remember when that abrasive fat fuck Linus ranted about HFS+? Well, now the tables have turned. Now it's Linux that has the shittiest FS of them all.

Someone send Linus an email and ask him why Linux has the shittiest FS while macOS has the best.

TOPPEST OF KEKS!

Angel Bell
Angel Bell

see Send an email to that retard now and ask him why Linux has such a gigantic smelly piece of shit FS. Ask him why can't he code something as good. Ask him when he'll retire and join RMS at some retirement home.

Xavier Adams
Xavier Adams

even UFS isn't too bad

what's your excuse michaelsoft

John Price
John Price

ufs
lose power
entire directories in lost + found after fsck

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

still can't store databases or vm images
nice toy

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