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Discuss Chinese language and culture. Feel free to talk about Cantonese or dialects in addition to Mandarin.

Resources for Learning Mandarin
learnnc.org/lp/pages/6427
resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/pronunciation/
resources.allsetlearning.com/chinese/grammar/
mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php
gloss.dliflc.edu

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gloss.dliflc.edu/
hichannel.hinet.net/
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform
youtube.com/user/churchillcustoms
youtube.com/user/serpentza
youtube.com/user/laowhy86
cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2013/how-china-became-capitalist
baike.baidu.com/view/509635.htm
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

In my Anki deck there's a sentence: "他跑得能有多快就有多快。" ("He ran as fast as he could")
Could someone please explain to me why:
Both 得 and 能 are used in this construction
Why 多 has to be repeated

It would be particularly nice if there were some English analogies to explain the functions of different parts of the sentence.

>Why 多 has to be repeated
I think it's like "as fast as he could run, he ran (that) fast"
as in, the extent of the speed with which he ran was equal to the fastest speed he could run.

What do people use as listening practice?

Watch TV shows and movies with Chinese subs, articles on gloss.dliflc.edu/ all have audio at native speed, watch news reports with transcripts, etc.

I've started listening to stations at hichannel.hinet.net/

I love Chinese girl's feet

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triangle hat and weird dress one pls

some cultural revolution photos are pretty immersive as fiction

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This is actually pretty good. I was listening to one of the news stations and found it ironic how a lot of the words about politics they were saying are ones my class has recently studied.

I agree.

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Not really on topic but I will be studying in the US next month, is United Airlines as awful as people say? It's the only option if I want to fly there on the last day.

thanks

this one's look is aesthetically very chinese though i still dont get what this heart means.

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silent hill ish

Is the death by a thousand cuts the worst form of Chinese torture there is?

pretty powerful chinese characters

oops forgot it

yeah, this is Chinese thread.

impressive graffiti

Sup Forums faggotry chinese dont even try to look into cultural revolution because they are too busy to only see positive part of chinese history what a faggot they are simply uneducated as fuck
same goes for those silly japanese pretending to know well about china in general


though in fact those shitters aside the revolution is actually full of interesting stuff that really makes you think

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Found some info on it:
>At a rally in June of 1966, 300,000 students gathered in the university's main square for a "struggle session" aimed at Wang. She was seized and draped with a necklace of table-tennis balls that mocked her fondness for pearls. Wang kept her dignity, telling her persecutors that it was the wrong time of year for summer clothes. The event was remembered as one of the defining visual images of the Cultural Revolution.

Nippon you need to calm down.

What was this; the swimming craze started by Mao?

>What was this; the swimming craze started by Mao?
上山下海运动 tbqh

造反有理 愛国無罪
六四天安門

Thanks man
>necklace of table-tennis balls that mocked her fondness for pearls.
Just fucking remembered this lol. Im very interested in these stories because it gives me a new insight about human feelings. It was some cruel shit and a shallow motivation but if anything, for this reason, its very interesting. Their collective conscious and what they had done based on it are still worth thinking about. Also, I find that "struggle session" is a kinda funny translation

Btw, its a damn shame this thread is so fucking dead.
When it comes to China, especially something about their norm and culture, fucking Sup Forums faggots only give ideological respects their attentions and no one even gives it a try outside of that.

Now it comes to my mind that I've never seen any Chinese user and other one objectively criticizing/reviewing these historical matters and their traditional norms/criteria without ideological tension, except one adult hongkonger who once dropped by east asia general, was speaking english fluently and in 40 something and you.

>t was some cruel shit and a shallow motivation but if anything, for this reason, its very interesting. Their collective conscious and what they had done based on it are still worth thinking about.
Agreed. While it was a terrible turn of events, it's interested to read about it.

>Also, I find that "struggle session" is a kinda funny translation

It does sound funny, though I guess it makes sense since the crowd is suppose to "struggle" against the accused capitalists/counter revolutionaries.

Reminds me of 走狗 being literally translated into "running dog"

stop

Give me one good reason NOT to masturbate to Chinese girl's feet now.

PRC has a lot of nouveau riche flaunting money, especially in the huge coastal cities, right? At exactly what point after 1949 and Maoist fanaticism did this become possible?

exactly after mao died

Yeah, in the cities you can see a lot of tuhao (self-made rich people who like showing off their wealth) and fu'er'dai (rich kids who are rich due to their parents being rich).

>At exactly what point after 1949 and Maoist fanaticism did this become possible?
After the gaige kaifang (reform and opening up) under Deng Xiaopeng's economy policies.

>China's economic growth since the reform has been very rapid, exceeding the East Asian Tigers. Economists estimate China's GDP growth from 1978 to 2013 at between 9.5% to around 11.5% a year. Since the beginning of Deng Xiaoping's reforms, China's GDP has risen tenfold.[28] The increase in total factor productivity (TFP) was the most important factor, with productivity accounting for 40.1% of the GDP increase, compared with a decline of 13.2% for the period 1957 to 1978—the height of Maoist policies. For the period 1978–2005, Chinese GDP per capita increased from 2.7% to 15.7% of U.S. GDP per capita, and from 53.7% to 188.5% of Indian GDP per capita. Per capita incomes grew at 6.6% a year.[29] Average wages rose sixfold between 1978 and 2005,[30] while absolute poverty declined from 41% of the population to 5% from 1978 to 2001.[31]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_economic_reform

Basically thanks to Deng and the dedication of the Chinese people to turn China around, China has been able to develop perhaps faster than any other country in history. In just 40 years, China has gone from one of the poorest and most backward countries in the world to a country which some people think can become the next superpower. Cities which used to consist of farms/rice paddies are now major metropolises whose skylines rival that of New York's or Hong Kong's, like Shenzhen (pic related - Shenzhen 1970 vs Shenzhen today).

This.

To be fair, most of the other East Asian countries did the same, just a little bit earlier and in far smaller scales.

China basically did in less than 40 years what took the West over 100+ years to do which is transform into a moderately successful society. The greatest turnaround in the shortest amount of time ever in human history. Most people are still unaware of this but they'll know sooner or later.

500 years from now the 2000s era in textbooks will probably be dominated with shit talking about China's rise and achievements desu.

Did it also make a social turnaround in the late 1970s? Like, was it possible to be an open non-Party capitalist fatcat in 1978? I guess what I'm really curious about is the turning point between where a filthy aristocrat would have been lynched on the streets and where people would just let it slide and/or the person in question would have enjoyed police protection against mobs. I guess it's actually a gradual change, but it would have been fun to witness the first actual moment, so to speak.

どこから来た、ネトウヨウは

these guys do videos about china and ride motorcycles they're bretty gud
youtube.com/user/churchillcustoms
youtube.com/user/serpentza
youtube.com/user/laowhy86

anyone know anything about huizhou? i know a girl from there that i like, she speaks mandarin and cantonese

why do china threads always die
it's such a huge country with such diverse cultures yet everyone on Sup Forums/int ignores it

because captcha is google based and google is throttled in china hence you need a pass to post as it lets you bypass captcha

but if google is ever allowed in china then this place will be snowed under by the sheer amount of chinese netizens

I think you might find this article interesting:
cato.org/policy-report/januaryfebruary-2013/how-china-became-capitalist

I don't think it's that much worse than most other airlines. The worst ones are the "budget" ones like Spirit where they sell the ticket for cheap and give no leg room and charge for everything they possibly can.

International flights tend to be better in general I think though

chinese sitcoms are pretty good. theres a shit ton all from taiwan, HK, and the prc

because of the "great wall" language barrier.
back when the video game bloodborne came out, a lot of chinese retailers released the game a few days earlier than normal. in the general thread we were lucky enough to have 1 chinese guy who would link us to all the streams. it was fucking alien, looking at entire websites in kanji and only being able to watch the streams and sort of know whats going on. shit was cool

Kind of interesting. I've gotta read Adam Smith's stuff so I have a better context for these economix

For a few reasons I'm guessing - not many Chinese people come here (while the Japanese thread gets a lot of native Japanese), and because compared to Japanese or Korean, there are less people studying Chinese (likely due to China having less of a cultural output than either of those countries at this point in time).

>feel when studying Mandarin and betting on Chinese nation becoming a cultural powerhouse
If it fails at least I'll have cool old novels to read

You'll be able to watch Chinese cartoons (literally) without subtitles!

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Counting on that as well. Seems like they don't have much at the moment. But I guess I can watch kung fu movies

Also I already know Japanese which both means that studying chinese is a lot easier and that I already know the main language for media

Yeah. A growing Chinese middle class with wider access to ideas and open internet could probably spawn a shitton of cool stuff. Though we already have Taiwan, but their population isn't huge.

I also know (a little) Japanese. 2500 characters/11000 words currently, it's really helped me. You'd probably have a huge edge if you're a Japanese native.

Not a native but I have a pretty good vocabulary (~3500 kanji that I can read, not really counting 旧字体. Can't write shit though) and can watch tv and such. It definitely seems to help a lot, but really I think just the experience of learning a second language to near-fluency helps more than anything. Just makes me that much more comfortable kind of "accepting" different grammar structures, and knowing what is important to focus on. I suppose ya'll Europeans are pretty used to that advantage though.

Also the spoonfed-chinese anki deck is like the best language learning resource I've seen.

Autism

China has had a slightly anti-capitalist since 1978. In 1978 you could not be a capitalist or free marketer.

In the 80's it became more accepted.
It got ostracized 1989-1992
In the late 90's it became even more accepted and they let businessmen into the CCP.
In the late 2000's it stagmated after the 2008 crash.
In 2011-present it became better for capitalists.

Read up

Neat. Would you say you're able to read literature at your level? I can't do it yet.

Problem as a Swede is that English is so similar and you get bombarded with English vocab since childhood that you almost feel like a native in both languages. What you said about Japanese obviously applies to me too, though, you become a lot more accepting of Mandarin's idiosyncracies once you've "gotten" Japanese.

I've tried the Spoonfed deck but dropped it because I got overwhelmed. Once I finish this fucking HSK deck I'll just leave vocabulary alone for a while and do Spoonfed, I need the production practice for school anyway. It's really a good deck.

>Would you say you're able to read literature at your level? I can't do it yet.
Well I learned through eroge everyday (although I don't really read them nowdays except occasionally for fapping) so reading has always been my best skill. I've only read a couple physical novels though, and prewar stuff can still be somewhat tough vocab-wise. But it's probably not harder for me than reading something like Great Expectations would be in English.

I feel like if you got overwhelmed it's probably just because you added too many cards a day. Although if you know all the vocab from a vocab deck first it will probably make it a lot easier. I just prefer the other way around. I have spoonfed set up to be pure listening practice, so any words that come up in it are much easier to remember the pronunciation of. That's also something that would be impossible without decent kanji knowledge, I suppose.

Partly it's just to try a different approach. Since I focused so heavily on reading with Japanese (at least for the first couple years), I'm trying to change it up and focus heavily on listening.

Yeah, I'm actually at the eroge stage. I kept myself from mining for a few months after finishing a deck called Core6k to let it cool down but then I started mining, and now I add arguably unimportant new cards like a maniac (筬 is a recent one) while also doing Mandarin HSK vocab. I'm at like 1300 reviews a day right now and since I'm a bit slow at flashcards it's really burning me out, but I'm forcing myself to continue. I really feel like I'm past the worst part of Japanese, though (please tell me it's true). At least when it comes to just reading porn.

Soon there hopefully won't be any more binge reading Japanese CG sets and crunching 200 new cards in one day. Thank fuck

(and yes, I hope that having the HSK vocab down will let me focus on the parts of Spoonfed that I find important)

你们的最喜欢看汉语电影是哪一部?我看过非诚勿扰,我觉得那部电影很有意思,可是我有一点儿听不懂。

Well shit, I can understand why you wouldn't want to add a new mandarin flash card deck. But yeah, it calms down at some point

>筬
I don't even know that one

From my experience spoonfed actually is very easy vocab-wise so far. I only started recently, but I've been doing 30 new vocab cards a day and 30 new spoonfed cards, and I find I am having to go search for vocab from other sources like HSK lists to get my quota. Even if vocab was 20 a day I still think it would easily cover everything that comes up in spoonfed

Yeah, I found Spoonfed kind of lenient vocab-wise but I only got 500 cards in and since it's got, what, like 17000 cards, it feels like it could eventually reach fairly arcane levels of vocab. I could be wrong, of course. Checking the late cards in the Anki browser would probably be easy. Oh well.

>I don't even know that one
I went looking for different types of grasses and reeds on Jisho and just started adding. I wonder if and when I'll see it in actual texts.

我看過很少的中國電影,但是我很喜歡“活著"。

>tfw read about some rare character and add it to my Pleco flashcards

Originally I thought 鑫 was kind of rare but I actually saw it being used as part of shop names in Guizhou.

爨 is pretty interesting as well, being part of the village name 爨底下

baike.baidu.com/view/509635.htm

My schools branch of the Confucius institute is offering a free trip to China after the completion of a Chinese language course. Should I sign up for this? Is the Confucius institute relevant? Would basic Chinese be difficult? My friend who is super fluent and lived/worked there for a while said it's super easy and just memorization, and that its difficulty is often exaggerated

Yes, do it. Sounds like a great opportunity, especially because of the free trip.

>super easy and just memorization,
It's not super easy, but it's not as hard as some people say it is (I really get annoyed at the people who try to claim that it's literally impossible to learn after a certain age, which is not true at all).

Chinese cities look good on the surface, but the recent floods expose how poor the underground infrastructures really are.

What puzzles me is how infrequent we see anyone from Taiwan in these threads. Google is not blocked there, and as much as they don't like using English, they CAN use Chinese on this board.

A free trip sounds cool, just watch out for propaganda and bear in mind what you are shown is only a facet of how China really is.

Enjoy your trip, and remember, don't take to heart advice from posters with Hong Kong, US, Japan flags or any other enemy of China with a vested interest in seeing China fail. You will see that most of China isn't like how Western media depicts it to be.

Ah shit, forgot I posted here, glad the thread is still up

Thanks, I'm likely going to do it I figure. And yeah I definitely have no special love for the Chinese government but nobody can tell me Chinese culture isn't extremely beautiful and interesting, I wouldn't want to go otherwise and I know not to believe memes and shit.

But yeah, the Confucius institute, is it reputable? My friend in Shanghai mentioned something about the bridge contest or something but I don't think she knows a ton about it