Enjoy your high RAM being too slow in 5 years

Samuel Ross
Samuel Ross

all these silly boys 'futureproofing' their computers with 32GB of RAM
enjoy your high RAM being too slow in 5 years

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https://www.pcworld.com/article/2982965/components/quad-channel-ram-vs-dual-channel-ram-the-shocking-truth-about-their-performance.html?page=2
https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/#ram.288dimm.ddr4_2133.4x4096
Owen Howard
Owen Howard

these retards getting 8 cores/16 threads CPUs when the memory bus is going to bottleneck them with shit bandwidth anyways.

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

Why would they need to "future proof" when upgrading ram is like a one minute process?

Cooper Moore
Cooper Moore

having 16 gig is a must now.
games and programs are getting more and more hungry for ram. and nope ram is not gonna bottleneck cpu.

processing power itself of current desktop processors will probably be only mid-ish "meh" in next 5 years.

but still not having enough memory is worst.

Jaxon Sanchez
Jaxon Sanchez

ram is not gonna bottleneck cpu
Literally what has, is and will be happening for the decades to come. It's the reason we have caches.

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

It matters only if you don't have a job.

Brayden Walker
Brayden Walker

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2982965/components/quad-channel-ram-vs-dual-channel-ram-the-shocking-truth-about-their-performance.html?page=2

Andrew Baker
Andrew Baker

I'm doing fine on 4GiB still...

Matthew Fisher
Matthew Fisher

muh bottlenecking.

Noah Russell
Noah Russell

on gaming machine ?
oh wow....

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

gaming

Mason Taylor
Mason Taylor

nu-/g/
You should educate yourself on computer architecture instead of discussing topics you don't understand.

Michael Thomas
Michael Thomas

um 6gb is fine if you only have 2 cores

Adrian Bell
Adrian Bell

you can dig into theories as deep as you want.
but the real games and most programs are not getting much from switching from 3 to 4 of from 2 to 4.

only ram speed benches shows huge difference.

Gabriel Sullivan
Gabriel Sullivan

Maybe I want to load 20GB of data?

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

last year i could have gotten 2 8gb ram sticks for 50 dollars but my debit card expired. i am waiting for this years black friday to get them

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

my 32GB got rekt. this is my 16GB computer doing nothing.

Christopher Bailey
Christopher Bailey

ram price is ridiculous now to be honest.
but it doesn't change the fact that ram is needed.
it reminds me of old times when people was saying "why you bought 512 mb of ram"? "its so much... with what will you fill it?"

that was in 2000-xp times....before 512 got very very low ram amount to vista :D

Henry Brown
Henry Brown

ram will be faster in the future
therefore having more ram than I arbitrarily decide on is a waste
Time to kys yourself

Parker Scott
Parker Scott

>>63359067
You people and your placebos
i was forced to change some thing in gpedit.... without the change stupid windows was closing programs without asking me when it was using up to 7.2 gb of ram when i had 8.

Thomas Garcia
Thomas Garcia

MUH GAMES LADS MUH FUCKING GAMES

Go back to /v/, you stupid piece of shit.

Luke Sullivan
Luke Sullivan

I seem to remember similar statements being made when people were buying 32MB for their 486's and Pentium 60/66/90 machines. Shit, I had 32MB RAM for my 5x86-133MHz Prolinea 4/66 machine in '97. I knew I was the shit back then.

Alexander Hall
Alexander Hall

sometime in diagnostics.
something about lack of resources.... i don't remember what exactly.

Liam Morris
Liam Morris

you are just jealous.

Nolan Hernandez
Nolan Hernandez

all this you don't need 4 cores
you don't need 6 cores.
you don't need 16 gb of ram
you don't need 6 gb on videocard only 3gb is more than enough
comes from jealous people who have shitty hardware but they are refusing to admit it

Jordan Ortiz
Jordan Ortiz

Sort out your pagefile

Mason Thomas
Mason Thomas

trying prove a point by posting irrelevant benchmarks
kys yourself

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

8 is the absolute minimum now, 16 is the average that most people need.

Futureproofing is retarded though. It's never a good idea.

Bullshit graph, ram speed has risen by a lot more than 10x. And the the usecases that are ram-speed limited are few.

Gavin King
Gavin King

i don't have this problems for now
but software keeps getting bigger and bigger.
when hevc will be used more.... memory usage will grow dramatically.

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

The real question is "for what?"
I bought a j1800 with 4 gigs for my mother. It runs Manjaro. For internet and youtube, it's more than sufficient. There's no point buing 32 gigs if you're not being dragged by cache use. If you need it, go for it.

Leo Green
Leo Green

I'm working on a project that is CPU intensive on 20G large data structures. I've noticed that when the third core kicks in it hits the bottleneck. Forth and more core effectively reduce total performance due to cache thrashing.

Seems that this article is benchmarking cache memory or using structures that are 'cache friendly'.

Charles Smith
Charles Smith

He doesn't play space engineers

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

its just not the case for home use.

Ian Kelly
Ian Kelly

Seems that this article is benchmarking cache memory or using structures that are 'cache friendly'.
handbrake
it's a video encoding application.

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

all these fags saying 8 and 16GB are absolute necessities
I know normies who tolerate 2GB. And I'm hanging in there with 4, but I'm gonna order 4 more as a Christmas gift to myself. If you're a normie, you can make do with 2 but 4 is comfy. If you're me, you can make do with 4 but 8 is comfy. If you're /v/ - I mean, Sup Forums of course, you can make do with 8 but 16 is comfy.

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

are they still using win xp ?

Matthew Rivera
Matthew Rivera

RAM speed isn't a bottleneck in anything

Oliver Sanders
Oliver Sanders

thinking gayming is the only demanding task you can do on a PC says more about you than it does about the rest of us.

Camden Ortiz
Camden Ortiz

Video encoding does not require 20G of memory.
Handbreak uses about 1.5G memory.
Even then, fat chance that FFT code is so memory local that the cache is doing a perfect job in relaxing external memory usage.

Caleb Price
Caleb Price

it doesnt matter why, it's just another scenario where ram speed doesnt matter.

Colton Roberts
Colton Roberts

opening task manager spikes his cpu to 100% usage

BAOMNing at your computer and life

Brandon Flores
Brandon Flores

True, I would prefer 32G onchip cache memory.

Owen Anderson
Owen Anderson

Not accelerating your FFTs in FPGA

Nathaniel Jones
Nathaniel Jones

soon videocards will have such amount of memory :) it will be fun

Gabriel Baker
Gabriel Baker

But it is not on-chip. well, with vega it's close.

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

thinking everyone plays games

Carter Wright
Carter Wright

Is 32Gb not standard?

I have 64 and frequently use all of it when working.

Dylan Rodriguez
Dylan Rodriguez

i understand that it can be used for number crunching too :)

Aiden Ramirez
Aiden Ramirez

she didn't get quad-channel mobo

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

The idea of a "RAM limitation" has been outdated since Windows 2000. Your computer will use RAM that it has. That's the point of RAM. You're SUPPOSED to be constantly at 90% RAM usage; if not, your programs aren't making use of it. That said, the growth curve of performance WRT RAM is usually not that favorable (because few programs actually implement dramatically different algorithms for high-RAM situations, they just cache a lot of shit they probably won't need again).

Very few things absolutely "need" that much RAM (having to fall back on slow-as-shit paging if you don't have it) so for most consumers, RAM clock timings are far more important and if you bought cheap high-capacity RAM, its performance is probably far shittier than even advertised.

Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

all these reddit posting faggots waiting to buy RAM
enjoy paying twice as much in a year or two when you actually use your computer to be productive

Jackson Howard
Jackson Howard

tfw quad channel
it's almost as wide as muh dik

check out DDR4 price history for the past two years

Brandon Wilson
Brandon Wilson

I do just fine with 8GB.

Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

users only run handbrake and gaymes

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

Minecraft in space?

Julian Rodriguez
Julian Rodriguez

Sorry, user, black friday won't save you with regards to RAM

Liam Campbell
Liam Campbell

only 1.6GB cached, the horror
trigger warning, please

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

RAM prices are high because it's in such high demand; bit growth is ~20%

Ayden Turner
Ayden Turner

I haven't used a pagefile in 6 years

Christian Morales
Christian Morales

Futureproffing is retarded though
Yeah, if you want to spend double the money in the future and not enjoy the benefit of having more RAM

https://pcpartpicker.com/trends/price/memory/#ram.288dimm.ddr4_2133.4x4096

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

LOL, My board supported 32GB DDR3, so guess what, I loaded the sucker to the max @ 32GB. Why? cause I could and I knew that I would never have to worry about "ram" issues ever again. Plus I can always turn what I don't use into a "ram drive", which seems to be something of a lost thing anymore. I got two extra 8x2 sticks of DDR3 stock piled in case I need them (Both my server & desktop use DDR3. Desktop cpu is a Phenom II X4 955.

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

This guy fucks

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

RAM has hardly gotten faster in the past 40 years
But in 5 more, it's totes going to be obsoletely slow

Asher Brooks
Asher Brooks

But really anymore the way computers are so cheap you can just setup a 2nd damn headless tower bout anywhere and dedicate it to just intense video encoding work. That way it frees up your desktop for other shit. I did, got an old X2 system from a family member and turned it into a video encoding system. Who cares if it ain't got an 8 core cpu? All it does it crunch video, if it takes 8 hrs to do a big batch job, who cares, I still got the main desktop just sitting there.

Andrew Peterson
Andrew Peterson

Latency doesn't get better because you add more channels, you know.

Jack Edwards
Jack Edwards

that pic
how many hours in mspaint?

Jacob Sanders
Jacob Sanders

wut

Samuel Foster
Samuel Foster

Beyond DDR3
What could it be?

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

bandwidth
Now give me a graph of the row-cycle time.

Isaiah Richardson
Isaiah Richardson

Man I remember back in 2010 I finally decided to rip my entire DVD collection, 200+ dvds without counting box sets. This was right before I got the Phenom II (using a X2 6000 at that time). Had three separate systems doing vdieo work, the X2 6000 system, the donated family member's X2, and my Toshiba laptop. Needless to say the job got done quick. Which proved useful when I got the 100+ dvd 20 season set of Law & Order a few yrs later.

Xavier Ross
Xavier Ross

You realize cycle time shortens as the clock increases, yes?

Robert Davis
Robert Davis

Except that's exactly what it doesn't, which is why every generation of DDR RAM has higher CAS latency as specified in clocks.

Justin Bailey
Justin Bailey

One thing that annoys me lately with ram.

In the past you bought a motherboard and put 512mb of ram in it and it said the motherboard had a capacity of like 3gb. Now you put in 16gb and got are likely to have a max of only 32gb. Like 2x vs 6x.

Jaxon Gonzalez
Jaxon Gonzalez

yes, so what's your point? DRAM must be refreshed within a specific period to keep it's data, that will never change.

Adam Bell
Adam Bell

handbrake
Really user?
Is encoding all you do with that RAM?

VMs and disk caching can benefit hugely from interleaving.

Blake Murphy
Blake Murphy

Don't pay much attention to max memory. usually max memory is calculated from number of slots x largest DIMM available at the time. My NAS's max memory was listed as 6GB and I currently have 32GB in it.

Your CPU specs will show how much memory it can address, and it's almost guaranteed to be way more than you can plug into your motherboard.

Aiden Richardson
Aiden Richardson

Prices go up and down. A new factory comes on line, there's a glut, prices crash. Then a new technology comes out, or demand for a new platform, or whatever. Suddenly prices are through the roof.

Future proofing is very smart so long as you time the market.

Jose Sullivan
Jose Sullivan

I literally run out of ram with 16GB sometimes

im too cheap to buy 32GB ddr3 though, fuck that.

Brody Torres
Brody Torres

Here's the thing: there are no new DRAM fabs coming on line for years. DRAM bit growth will primarily be from process migration, which means slower bit growth as existing processes are torn down and obviously not operational as the new process is built.

My point is if you think you will need more RAM in the next couple of years, you might as well buy now; prices are not going to go down in that time, will probably increase, and at least you'll have the extra memory now.

The true next big thing in the memory space is 3DXP DIMMs. That's what will get me to build a new system.

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

Physics simulation with fully destructible blocks that can be crushed and sliced.

Persistent colossal fully destructible planets and terrain to fuck around on with asteroids to build in and mine.

You can drill to the center of the earth if you want and throw stones into the perfect gravity well at the center and watch them orbit.

Only downside is that the physics sim and MP interp isn't that high tech so shit can spazz and explode.

Carter Allen
Carter Allen

Odd. I never tried to go above what the motherboard lists. I had a 12gb limit on my last computer. One of the reasons I upgraded is to get 16gb. Fuck.

Isaiah Russell
Isaiah Russell

Refresh time has nothing to do with the row-cycle time. The point being that row-cycle times were on the order of 400 ns on the Apple 2, and modern DDR4 RAM is on the order of 40 ns or slightly less.

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

so it's an order of magnitude faster...? Still don't follow what your beef is

Cameron Hughes
Cameron Hughes

Perhaps you haven't noticed, but in the same timespan, most other metrics of computer performance have increased by more like four orders of magnitude.
Also, just extrapolating, it certainly means that not much is going to happen in the next five years, contrary to what OP claimed.

Jaxon Wilson
Jaxon Wilson

didn't buy loads of ram back when I had a job
DDR3 now costs more than 2x what it did
programs demand more memory than ever
I've learned my fucking lesson.

Adam King
Adam King

motherboard literally doesn't support anything faster

if you are using half your channels for 32 gb that costs $100? you can double your bandwidth and size for less in the future.

how often are you upgrading your motherboards?

Jaxon Clark
Jaxon Clark

DRAM is hard, this is why only 3 manufacturers managed to stay in business and control over 95% of the production (and also why China has no shot at a competitive product and just announced they gave up even after being funded by the state for over $18B)

The future is in-memory computing. Check out Micron's Automata (recently spun off into naturalsemi.com, but google "Micron Automata" for useful information) and Hybrid Memory Cube. I think HBM might be in trouble with GDDR6 coming out at 16Gbps transfer rates.

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

Xim didn't get 64 core 256 thread CPU

Ian Reyes
Ian Reyes

64 cores
256 threads
erm

Grayson Wilson
Grayson Wilson

It exists

Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

My main laptop is a ThinkPad from 2006. I upgraded it to a 2GHz 64-bit Core 2 Duo CPU and 4GB of RAM and a 64GB SSD. I installed Fedora with XFCE and it works well for all my daily tasks. Honestly what the fuck are you on about?

Christopher Lee
Christopher Lee

programmers are getting worse, they thrive on bloat to do their convoluted shit.

Zachary Scott
Zachary Scott

woah holy shit

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