Think about it, Sup Forums. They combined Shoegaze, Post-Rock, and Black Metal. Shoegaze pushes rock music into the extremes of what sonically can be achieved with rock instrumentation. Post-Rock pushes rock music into the extremes of what structurally and dynamically can be achieved with rock instrumentation. Black Metal pushes rock music into the extremes of what can be achieved abrasively with rock instrumentation.
With all three combined, you get the most extreme form of rock music possible that still at is core is "rock" music. Any other attempts either aren't extreme enough or deviate too much from rock music to even be "rock" anymore.
Sunbather is literally the logical conclusion to rock music.
baby doesn't know that sunbather is just a carbon copy of what was happening in the black metal scene 10-15 years ago.
so no.
Jackson Fisher
what early 00's black metal sounds like this? Genuinely wondering
Benjamin Green
Holy shit you're kidding right?? hahahahahahah
back to /r/indieheads scrub
Samuel Gray
Alcest................................................the list goes on
but seriously there's less than 5.
Michael Reed
>but seriously there's less than 5. there's a fuckton of blackgaze bands that were already here before deafheaven though
Carson Perry
kek
well name a few then
Joseph Collins
Sunbather does have a unique sound to it though. Roads to Judah honestly is more blackgaze.
Caleb Phillips
Nah, the few that did exist were pretty shitty. Alcest is really the only similar one, but they have a clean vocal delivery aside from a few songs.
Jackson Ortiz
Well, Darkspace and Wolves in the Throne Room kinda popularised the atmostpheric side of black metal. Drone-heavy atmosphere based post-rock influenced music with guitars you could hear as well as walls of noise. That was in like 2003. Neige also popularised this style in France, having claimed to have not heard any shoegazing records. He started working with bands like Celesia, Peste Noire, and Amesoeurs. Although amesours kinda remained stagnant while he focused on Alcest (completely different direction), his impression and style had been left on the groups and artists he worked with - that lo-fi, droning, shoegazing sound; paired with the armostphere of post-rock; while keeping to his trve kvlt black metal roots. Celestia as a project was around from 1999. Peste Noire 2000. Mortifera 2001.
Henry Cruz
You said a lot without actually saying anything. Burzum popularized atmospheric black metal, Darkspace is more dark ambient than anythiing. And again bands like Celesia, Peste Noir and Amesoeurs attacked shoegaze/atmospheric black metal completely wrong and sounded like garbage. And still this is less than 5 groups that completely submerged there sound in shoegaze while staying black metal.
You're missing the point. I could sit here for hours and sift through all the other music I have that is similar, but these spring to mind as having a sound that was worth listening to and have the same ideology.
OP basically made sweeping statements about something he doesn't know much about. And I'm not convinced you've done anything other than quickly google all those artists...
Jordan Evans
Blackgaze on metal archives is tagged as "post-black metal".
Brandon White
I've listened to all those artists extensively. Darkspace is one of my favorite groups.
I'm not saying Deafheaven is revolutionizing the sound of black metal or anything, because there are bands out there that have similar sounds. What I'm saying is Deafheaven executed the blackgaze sound perfectly on Sunbather.
Blackgaze and post-black metal are not interchangeable though.
Jaxon Ramirez
Why does "the conclusion to rock music" have to be in an extreme way ? It could be as well in a complex way, and it that case albums like Selling England by the Pound or Fragile would be the "conclusion to rock music". This makes no sense at all
James Davis
>Blackgaze and post-black metal are not interchangeable though. what part of "blackgaze and post-black metal are not interchangeable though." didn't you understand? Because as far as i'm concerned Deafheaven isn't even that much shoegazy-sounding anyway.
Lucas Richardson
I don't think so. The logical conclusion to any genre probably shouldn't suck balls.
Robert Ward
>the logical conclusion of rock is black metal with a "safe" cover
Sebastian Baker
>still being this triggered
Jeremiah Wood
But Sunbather is the genre breakthrough.
Prototypes are interesting from an historical point of view, but artistically, they're irrelevant.
Gabriel Bennett
no if anything liturgy ark work makes more sense for a logical conclusion to rock music
its cool that you like this album. but its deja-vu again when you guys pull a death grips and try to make the music sound larger than what it is
Ryan Evans
daily reminder
Charles Parker
the only thing its a logical conclusion to is being a fucking piece of shit
Caleb Gonzalez
idiot image because the whole appeal for them was being p4k indie kids who like drake and lil wayne but also make "trve kvlt" music
they would be just talked about in /metal/ general thats it
Joseph Lopez
Sunbather wouldn't be made by people like that though.
Isaac Harris
>executed the blackgaze sound perfectly There is no "blackgaze sound" to execute perfectly, and Sunbather certainly isn't the end all be all for it.
This is rather closed-minded thinking.
Robert Johnson
the only problem with your hypothesis is that its only evaluating one end of the spectrum of rock music.
it's hard to say what is the logical conclusion to a type of music because it's always constantly evolving, and the fact that you call sunbather rock music completely proves this.
the only way that music can conclude is when there is an album that completely removes the most common denominator between all types of music. only then can everything start again.
Adam Thomas
Art is not logical so it can't have a logical conclusion.
Michael Peterson
These.
Sick of this meme phrase.
Austin Rodriguez
Sorry but pic related holds that title.
Luis Williams
Stop with the meme jesus christ. it's an OK album, it didn't invent Blackgaze nor is it the most extreme instance of it. Hell even New Bermuda does more interesting stuff, it just doesn't have an artwork that looks as cool. There's a lot of modern BM that is way more forward thinking or avantgarde if you're into that, I recommend pic related if you're looking for "melodic driven" but still oneiric or surreal BM, that's not to say DSO does anything that bands like Ved Buens Ende hadn't already pioneered 20+ years ago, but at least they're pushing a lot more boundaries than DFHVN, and they've been doing this since 2000
Joseph Morgan
forgot image
Nolan Martin
la dispute with blast beats and kitty cat vocals
Jeremiah Gonzalez
Panda
Connor Hughes
Is OP the logical conclusion to faggotry?
Austin James
Sister Ray is the logical conclusion to rock music man
Justin Fisher
why is this album so underrated
Matthew Howard
if anything TAW started its own thing that has yet to be concluded. it sounds too disjointed to conclude anything. well, Hunter's own thing, in the grand scheme of things it's just post-metal with some synths
