What's this im hearing about coil being child molesters?

what's this im hearing about coil being child molesters?

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>balance
>falls off balcony
pottery

>Explore countless depraved paraphilia in their music
>Mysteriously disappear to Thailand later in life
>Homosexuals
>Members of the industrial scene recall them explicitly stating that they were pedophiles

Wouldn't surprise me. The whole circle of musicians surrounding them are freaks.

Ape of Naples is still a pretty good album

Someone made up some interview quotes and using a fuckton of logical fallacies deducted that they were all linked and explained by the post-hoc conclusion that they were child molesters.

Don't feed the meeem.

>deducted
I made a doozie. Meant "deduced"

people who took spirit cooking seriously are leaking into other scenes

>talk about pedophilia being "the most taboo thing" in numerous interviews
>part of their "art" was exploring taboo sexual fetishes
>head down to drugs-and-sex-crime land towards the end of their lives
But muh fallacies

This.
The whole industrial scene is a clusterfuck of degenerates except for David Tibet who is normal by industrial standars.

david tibet molests cats
proof: you gotta believe me, dude

wtf i hate c93 now

some guy called christopherson a nonce in a thread a few days ago
a bunch of guys immediately started digging through interviews with the band and found some pretty dodgy statements christopherson made, as well as a fairly repulsive music video
some other guys' reading of those statements made a not entirely unconvincing case for christopherson indeed being a nonce
a bunch of people who knew the band or close friends of the band came out and said that they knew the band liked kids but that they're sure that the band never acted on those impulses because of course, when someone is a child molester they make sure to go around telling everyone about all the kids they abused

meanwhile coil fans are too busy accusing anyone who doesn't immediately shrug the accusations off of being homophobes, pitchfork drones or donald trump supporters to care, because naturally that is the only sane and progressive way to respond to the revelation that a band you like consisted of pedophiles

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i kinda hope that's true

>people looked up ambivalent, dodgy quotes
>legit "please believe me" anons came out saying they were superduper friends with the band
>again, "you have to believe me"-tier arguments
>omg this must mean they raped children
>if you don't believe this then you're in denial
>PLEASE BELIEVE ME CAN'T YOU SEE IT'S OBVIOUS BELIEVE ME

Deviants? Sure. Rapists? No.

see: archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S69112221

>>legit "please believe me" anons came out saying they were superduper friends with the band

all those guys came out defending the band, actually

>Rapists? No.

actually, while christopherson never openly admitted to molesting kids he definitely did admit to having experience with rape and sexual abuse

>PC: I can imagine their might have been situations where things were being done to someone against their will (and I have seen such things in films - true or otherwise - indeed made such films myself) that I subsequently found I did not enjoy.

i really don't see what makes you think that a bunch of dudes who were way into sexual deviance and who were constantly out of their mind on drugs had some sort of an immaculate moral code and god-tier self-control

Dude, Tumblr would be all over this.

Coil are as pedos as Douglas P is a neonazi

But their defense was so dodgy it was used as evidence for coverage or rationalisation of the supposed incidents
>i really don't see what makes you think that a bunch of dudes who were way into sexual deviance and who were constantly out of their mind on drugs had some sort of an immaculate moral code and god-tier self-control
I really don't see what made you think I thought that. I know they were fucked in the head. What I'm saying is that beyond an ambiguous quote (" indeed made such films myself", etc), the very dodgy interests they pursued and flimsy deductions/arguments made with reaching a specific conclusion in mind, there simply is no case here.

Not to mention this seems to focus entirely on Sleazy. Jhonn balance was gay, holy shit, he must be a rapist too.

The music industry by and large is full of people who commit heinous acts that go overlooked either because of the character's obscurity or, contrarily, because they can afford a whole planet full of lawyers and can buy silence from anyone. What is the point of these threads? To put Coil's music down? Because you won't. And if it's not about music, then who the fuck cares? Where were these spastic autists when Robert Plant was raping drugged up 14 year olds? Townsend? Goddamned Gira? Yeah there were some threads, but what is this reddit-tier SJW-esque sudden burst of outrage against Coil?

And what makes you think anyone here believes any of you care about the victims? You're trying to stir controversy in the only way it's possible to do so nowadays: Bland, fake righteousness. Against people who can't defend themselves anymore (you know, being dead and all), no less.

To be quite honest I couldn't give any less of a shit if Christopherson buggered teens. The music's too good to care about that.

Apples and oranges

Well yes, this thread IS about fruits now that you mentiont it.

>Not to mention this seems to focus entirely on Sleazy. Jhonn balance was gay, holy shit, he must be a rapist too.
No-one's really making that argument. "Coil were nonces" is more likely to make you click on the thread than "Sleazy was a nonce" though

Should we tell p4k about this or.....

>No-one's really making that argument.
Not in *this* incarnation of the thread.

>legit "please believe me" anons came out saying they were superduper friends with the band

Meeting a lot of these people, even the "famous" ones, in the industrial/post-industrial/noise scene really isn't that hard so I don't see why this is something you'd see as all that implausible.
I have personally met many and have even established quite friendly and long-running correspondence with some of them.
They're not Kanye West, dude.

Douglas Pearce is openly right-wing and has been for a long time.

lovin how the argument goes from "coil were absolutely NOT nonces and how dare you accuse them of such a thing" to "yeah they might have been nonces but who caaaaaaares man, just listen to the music"

>there simply is no case here

nah there's way too much shit here that deffo points in the direction of them being kiddy fiddlers
if it was just one or two things then i'd say sure whatever, the people calling them pedos are just reaching but nah, there's a lot of really really fishy and gross shit here

>Not to mention this seems to focus entirely on Sleazy. Jhonn balance was gay, holy shit, he must be a rapist too.

that's got to do with him not being as talkative bout it as christopherson was but yeah why not, he did star in that video and was into the same shit that christopherson was into, innit?

Right-wing equals neo-nazi now?

someone post the video

youtube.com/watch?v=mUY_zpPeab0

this one?

See Not really, but Pearce was definitely closer to a neo-Nazi than he was to your plain run of the mill Republican.

Can someone give me a synopsis of this because I'm not able to watch it right now and I won't be able to find it when this thread gets deleted.

...

I remember this infamous video. Even though the actors aren't underage (Asians look younger than they are).

just bookmark archive.rebeccablacktech.com/mu/thread/S69112221 and watch it later, you daft cunt

>Even though the actors aren't underage (Asians look younger than they are).

uh huh

Meanwhile it's okay when other bands do it

Got a source for that?

It's not, I always thought the story behind that album cover was really exploitative and disgusting.
Jamie Stewart is generally a shitty person.

>Even though the actors aren't underage (Asians look younger than they are).

Even if that were true, would it change the general gist of the video? I don't think it would.

yes that one

I used to be a heavy Coil fan and read it somewhere that they are grown up go-go dancers. Wikipedia says:

>A music video for the song "Love's Secret Domain" was also shot, which was initially unreleased due to its nature: as Christopherson explained, "We shot 'Love's Secret Domain' in a go-go boy bar in Bangkok; with John [Balance] performing on stage with about 20 or 30 dancing boys, which probably won't get played on MTV, in fact!

Ironically enough it was aired on MTV (on YouTube there used to be a video of MTV airing a cut version of this, which was followed by The Residents "Third Reich and Roll").

What's the story?

>Even though the actors aren't underage (Asians look younger than they are).

whaaaaaaaaaaaat
so you're saying that coil wouldn't have openly admitted to making a video featuring john balance dryhumping a bunch of half-naked underage children
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
and you're saying that none of the children in the video could confirm that they were 18 or older and that literally the only proof we have for your claim is the band's (rather unconvincing) word?
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

>they are grown up go-go dancers

AKA child prostitutes.

He's a male thai prostitute who Jamie hired to go to the hotel and take some pictures of him. The only bad thing is that Jamie denied sex to him, but he got paid anyways

Even though the MTV version was very much cut and filtered in a way you could only barely see the actors.

Basically that he was on a trip to Thailand (or wherever), taking photographs of the doll in the cover in various areas. He went to the red light district to look about, the bloke was a sex worker who kept hassling him, asking if he wanted to have sex with him. Jamie said no, but eventually decided that he'd pay him to come to the hotel room and do a photoshoot with the doll, which is where the cover is from.

>go-go dancers

you do know that "go go dancers" real job tends to be prostitution, right?

>OP completely missing the point of industrial music

tell me more

Yup. And go-go bars are usually fronts for dingy brothels.

This.
OP's just an unwashed pleb, I bet he doesn't even know about Merzbow, Boredoms, Gerogerigegege, Coil, Throbbing Gristle, Whitehouse, Nurse with Wound, Einstürzende Neubauten, Brainbombs, Egor Letov, Death in June, Current 93, La Monte Young, Moondog, Lou Harrison, Henry Cowell, Luigi Russolo, Popol Vuh, Fishmans, Jean Jacques Perrey, Les Rallizes Dénudés, Rainbow Caroliner, Taj Mahal Travellers, Fushitsusha, Peter Brötzmann, John Cage, Scott Walker, Unwound, Dead, Frank Zappa, Morton Feldman, Captain Beefheart, Pharoah Sanders, Albert Ayler, Ornette Coleman, Alice Coltrane, Arnold Schoenberg, Pierre Boulez, György Ligeti, Karlheinz Stockhausen, Thinking Fellers Union Local 282. Raymond Scott, Delia Derbyshire, Daphne Oram, Terry Riley, Peter Sotos, Boyd Rice, Henry Flynt, Kazumoto Endo, David Tudor, Half Japanese,Secret Chiefs 3, Keiji Haino, Ramleh, Otomo Yoshihide, John Zorn, Joe Meek, Faxed Head, Harry Partch, Wesley Willis, Fred Frith, The Residents, Sun Ra, Sun City Girls, Hans Krusi, Royal Trux, Jandek, Loren Mazzacane Connors, The Dead C, Comus, Cromagnon, Eliane Radigue, The Red Krayola, Opus Avantra, Pan.Thy.Monium., Murmuüre, Gong, cLOUDDEAD, Muslimgauze, I could go on...

He'll never be a true libertine intellectual like us! Never!

Ah come on that wasn't that bad, Jamie just took weird photos, it wasn't a great thing to do, but why expect edgy, gay artists to be choir boys?

being a fag shouldn't be an excuse for being a shithead desu

wew lad

I know them from Autechre. I remember an interview from them in which they explained why they love Coil.
discover.de/interstory2.php?wer=interviews&id=10

>Sean: They created a perverse sound, which is full of kitsch but at the same time very dark.
>Interviewer: You said, you like them for being kitschy...
>Sean: It is kitsch, but the music isn't based on it. [...] If you listen to Merzbow, than you get a lot of brutality. With Coil it's the same, only not on the surface. It's not like a skinhead with thick boots and a stick, more like...
>Rob: ...a sneaky criminal. This is how we want to sound. Sounding nice, without being it.

Yeah but the sex worker probably had to do far more disgusting things for money then holding a doll

>sex worker gets paid for pictures instead of sex
>wow he's literally the worst person ever

you might be retarded

he has a fucked up face, who the fuck would want him anywayslol

none of this changes the fact that stewart exploited someone in a really shitty position for the sake of making himself and his band look more credible and edgy

I'm pretty sure he himself has said he regrets it a bit. Plus that's basically the only morally sketchy thing I've heard him ever do.

Wtf i didn't know Christopherson died

I never once gave a fuck about Coil, so watching Sup Forums shit itself in some SJW-like witch hunt is just hilarious.

That being said, I see no actual reason to believe this shit. Of course they're gonna talk about and explore a bunch of fucked up themes and topics, wasn't that par for the course, if not the entire point, of early industrial?

Yeah but going like "hehehe I DID some non-censual things with minors lol ;^)" is a bit far.

You cry about kiddie porn, but post on chan, which is full of kiddie porn.

the thing is that this shit about coil goes well beyond some sort of a detached "exploration" or whatever, a lot of it suggests that they were really involved with this shit.

when you put all this shit together it really doesn't make them look good at all

ebin post Sup Forumsrother!

Lol how is this wrong or exploitative at all, this is how these people make money and not all of them are opposed to it (see: the entire sex workers' movement). The dude was literally harassing Jamie for work and then got paid just to take some pictures. This resulted in zero suffering for anyone. You'd have to be TRYING to be offended about this... much like this entire Coil debacle actually

>taking a picture of someone's reality is edgy

i guess you think national geographic is the edgiest magazine ever

>Coil aren't pedophiles

What's next? Varg Vikernes isn't a satanist?

>except for David Tibet who is normal by industrial standars.
David Tibet is Breivik-tier. Fucking listen to the whole "I have a Special Plan for this World" track, it's music made for Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold.
>Your plan is a mistake, he repeated
>This world is a mistake, I replied
youtube.com/watch?v=lxZpEFJhO6k

Never listened to Coil because the degenerates they were associated with and the degeneracy of the whole industrial scene in general makes their albums uncomfortable to listen to for me.
Is their discog worth a listen?

But this was written by Thomas Ligotti

I'd call them child seducers. If someone can get away with it is them. They didn't follow any rules but summited themselves to the dionysian and took it to it's ultimate consequences. Just look at the LSD video.

They just didn't fall for the moralist brainwash.

> the degenerates they were associated with and the degeneracy of the whole industrial scene in general makes their albums uncomfortable to listen to for me.

that's mostly the point of industrial music

When did anyone in the band say something like this, all I could find was the dude mentioning nonconsent being the ultimate taboo to explore or something and the fact they went to Thailand. Once again, I know nothing of this band, but this entire thing just reeks of tumblr-level attempts to demonize a band because "omg so gross and creepy", when the entire point of industrial was to fuck with society's morals and mores.

This is stupid, of course his lyrics are edgy that's the appeal lol

>This resulted in zero suffering for anyone.

it glamorizes and romanticizes something that shouldn't be glamorized and romanticized.

>(see: the entire sex workers' movement)

we're talking about a vietnamese male prostitute in the early 2010s here, not some "enlightened" slut from brooklyn in 2016 trying to strike one against the patriarchy
somehow i doubt that dude cared all that much about the sex workers movement

>much like this entire Coil debacle actually

maybe if you keep repeating that there's nothing suspicious and incriminating about peter christopherson's antics enough times, it's gonna become the truth!

the context and purpose within which photographs are placed in an issue of national geographic is entirely different to the context and purpose in which that photograph that stewart took was put
one serves as impersonal documentary, the other serves as a personal attempt to further hammer home just how "fucked up and dark, man" stewart and his music are. it's an entirely self-serving thing. i shouldn't even have to explain this shit to you, how imperceptive can you possibly be?

While talking about Pedos and Industrial music
youtube.com/watch?v=HgI6CMdlHM0

is there a tier lower than /x/ for obliviousness?

He said he filmed a non-consent video and was involved in basically everything. I don't know if that is evidence enough.

Fuck off, his point is completely valid, if you can pretend to be outraged at some dead guys for potentially being involved with child prostitution, then how can you support a site that's known for the circulation of cp? It's hypocritical. If you were really offended (that is, morally opposed to the idea of all that stuff), you wouldn't spend your time on this site.

We're posting here because we can selectively turn a blind eye to things we don't want to think about.

Anyway, on topic, Coil has great music...well, Scatology is one of my all-time favorite albums, they kind of got disappointing after. I don't care what they may have done because I love music from people who I know have done worse.

>early 2000s

fucked up there

We're posting here because we can selectively turn a blind eye to things we don't want to think about.

ideology is a hell of a drug

Except it's a bannable offense and people scream MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODS every time it happens. I don't think it's quite equivalent.

Not that I particularly have a side in any of this, it's all kind of baseless. You're just being obtuse.

Very few people in this thread actually seem morally outraged by it, most just seem curious about it. It doesn't effect me in the slightest if Sleazy was a nonce or not, but that doesn't mean I can't be curious. I'm not going to go "wtf i hate coil now" if it were found that he was.

the people who post cp on Sup Forums end up with the feds knocking on their doors

and you sure wasted no time with doing a complete 180 on coil and the possibility of them being child molesters, from "there is no way coil abused children and shame on you for saying otherwise" to "yeah they may have abused kids but who cares" just like that!

>We're posting here because we can selectively turn a blind eye to things we don't want to think about.

yes, it truly takes only the most hardcore of all hardcore people to call people plebs and faggots on a retarded image board
we're all so fucking intense, like holy shit

Funny how the most talented member of Throbbing Gristle was also the only normal one. Based Chris Carter.

Industrial is the biggest degenerate genre ever, no surprise that it is a favorite among leather gays and school shooters.

I didn't know the X-Files creator played industrial music too

He once slap the ass of Cossey in a live show video...

Reminder that Chris stole Genesis's girlfriend (Cosey) while they were still in the band together

>implying you wouldn't

Lulz what, half of Sup Forums and /s/ is kiddie porn, even Sup Forums regularly posts shit like this. Don't get me started with krautchan, the last time I visited it, I only saw pics of naked 13 year olds.

I ain't judging. He's pretty alpha.

Are you literally the entire band of coil defending themselves on the Internet lol
>ambiguous quote
No, it was pretty specific

>half of Sup Forums
>Half of /s/
>Half of /s/

Oh look, the poor thing's retarded!

Really? Shit! I guess I can't reblog Jhonn Balance photos on my tumblr anymore.

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>Joe Meek
>Phil Spector
Murderers