Is slovenia safe from future refugee enrichment?

is slovenia safe from future refugee enrichment?

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1/3 of our population are refugees...

Laibach is safe
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200.000 foreigners are currently living here, but they are mostly from other Yugoslav republics. There is modest influx of Albanians though. Blacks and arabs are very rare, only 800 Syrians applied for asylum in the last year.

>only 800

wtf?

Just after me and my cousins go out of jail we will move to Slovenia. Hello our new fatherland!

same

Your countries can't be doing too badly if you have internet in jail.

Slovenia is poorer than Germany or Sweden, our welfare is lower. Also they don't know anything about our country, it's not advertised in Syria and elswhere unlike Germany.

yes but 800 is alot for how small your country is

Well, I mostly spend time at our gym. The point is that me and my cousins made some research and Slovenia looked like a perfect country for our family.

800 people can easily become up to 10000 due to this regulation:
ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/legal-migration/family-reunification_en

The average person probably doesn't know Slovenia exists

>Slovenia is the first Eastern European country with a black mayor

We had some black regional politicians plus two deputees in the Sejm.

Bump for more discussion about Slovenia - me and my cousins are really interested in this fascinating topic.

What do you want to talk about? This place is a shithole, on par with any other eastern european country.

how bad is the communism and socialism?

what do the leftists like to cry about?

for instance in usa it is racism and sexism

It's the best country in the world you mong

t. unbiased arbiter of country quality

Do you actually talk like this in real life ? Americans are truly something awkward and from another planet.

>how bad is the communism and socialism?
Well, we are only lite socialist now, but it's bad, The worst part is that it's discourages hard working people since the more you earn the more you're punished with taxes.
>what do the leftists like to cry about?
Mostly hating on successful private companies and crying about muh human rights.

You don't fool me kuzukuzu :^) Maybe it's ok for a tourist and even that just for a short time. But living here is another thing.

how many people from Friuli?

t. čefur
I am Slovene
I have high GPD and HDI
I am epitom of whiteness

Just under 3k
nah, I'm as Slovene as it gets, just telling the truth. Most Slovenes are es deluded as it gets.

Let's trade places then. I am a mountain gypsy, so you will feel at home.

Your reverse psychology is unnecessary on me m8

You can thank EU for that

>This place is a shithole, on par with any other eastern european country
nah, all stats I know say something different

>what do the leftists like to cry about?
You may be interested that not so long ago they had some referendum about so-called gay marriage - it didn't pass:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovenian_same-sex_marriage_referendum,_2015

i also know about the recent aliens act and the drama around that

i've been debating moving to slovenia or poland for some time, slovenia is obviously nicer, but i feel like any day know they might go full "refugees welcome" and completely destroy themselves

>they might go full "refugees welcome" and completely destroy themselves
That already happened, just with yugo immigrants instead of middle eastern

>i've been debating moving to slovenia or poland for some time

m8 not even in the deepest, most God forsaken alcohol ridden village of the EU will you fit in.

Also why not just move to N. Dakota or a state like that? I would trade my arm to be born in the US.

yes but i'd actually live with yugos, bosnian muslims even after tolerable, albanians can be interesting

i would have to leave if it got enriched with africans/arab muslims.

epic meme, i considered lithuania because i appreciate your guys folk traditions but ultimately its too flat and boring. pic related.

the USA is honestly the shittiest place on earth, other than the great size and the natural beauty of certain areas.

i could give a million reasons for leaving for slovenia/poland, but i'd much rather hear your reasons for wanting to go to USA so that i can give you a reality check

Larger economic freedom and smaller government. Yes I know it's only getting worse in both regards, but you have at least the chance to turn back and improve, hack Trump might really be the first step in right direction.

But Slovenians already look Balkan. They will just look even more Balkan(like Serbs) if their women mix a little bit with Syrian refugees.

I've nothing against poland but Lithuania really is a lot nicer (I'm actually from NZ). Also the flatness is compensated for by the top tier nature and plethora of lakes.

Let's do it! Let's move to sLOVEnija. Pic related is our boarding pass.

>i've been debating moving to slovenia or poland for some time, slovenia is obviously nicer, but i feel like any day know they might go full "refugees welcome" and completely destroy themselves
This wouldn't make a lot sense, first, maybe anly after 20-30 years our consumption level will be comparable with the USA (and only supposing that there won't be any major war in the region); second, one actually needs to speak local languages to live here (and they are quite difficult); third, there is no guarantee that Central-Eastern European countries will stay free of various leftist ideologies - for example if you check the Czech Republic you will realise that they are quite "decadent" (eg. almost 70% of marriages end with divorces, they are one of the biggest porn producers in the world despite having circa 10 million people etc.); of course, there is some "conservative wave" in many European countries right now, but in the development of civilizations nothing can be predicted.

Yugo like Croats or Yugo like Albanians from former Southern Yugoslavia?

Croats are the smallest problem, they are the only group that fully integrated. It's mostly Serbs and Bosnians. But in the last 10-15 years or so we are also getting a lot of Albanians, who are without doubt the worst.

800 is literally a village what are you talking about
0.04% of Slovenian population

>balkans are just impure syrians

this is factually wrong

trump is moving us in the right direction, i suppose but you have tor realize the regulations are crippling here and beyond basic stuff like restaurants or simple repair/retail shops you cannot compete because the monopolies are so large and their lobbyists have created all these regulations that make it impossible for small start ups to even compete without huge legal overhead

also beyond that, you have to deal with all of the shitty things about america...america is suffocatingly bad right now

i could go on and on and on


i recognize this, but it's a better bet than what america is offering. i will be bringing my business and hiring a permanent translator/language teacher, so it won't be an issue.

as i said, i think slovenia is more prone to shitty leftist ideologies than poland which is why it's a tough decision for me. czechia isn't on my list because of those reasons.

i don't care what the percentage is, 800 is a huge amount of foreign people to randomly take in

albanians are worse for sure, but still miles better than arab/africans

its not huge number at all

Also there are much more than 800 here. 800 of them just applied for asylum as for now. I don't know how many there are exactly, but I'm assuming a couple thousand.

Are Slovene and Croatian mutually intelligible?

This

No.

>i feel človek
kek, untermensch
i hope they all froze to death

but what is the attitude towards refugees from slovenians?

Yeah right, they are treated better than pretty much anyone else here.

Negative mostly. The ones who are pro immigration are mostly students who have never seen one. A friend of mine lives in a small town which took around 400 of them and he says that pretty much everyone is against them. And rightfully so since they are constantly causing trouble.

>this is factually wrong

All look same and act same, who is to say they aren't?

Was one of them the guy who spread AIDS while complaining of discrimination.

is this true? i have a slovenian cousin who basically said slovenes are split on the issue (lol) he is a student and a leftist tho

>slovenia

so many threads about an irrelevant puppet state

No, that guy was some "refugee" from West Africa who infected about 10 "anti-ricist" activists from some small "BLM-like" organisations. As for those deputees, one is some economy professor from Zambia (he is still in the Sejm), and the second one was some conservative pastor from Nigeria (he lost his last election). Usually the only Africans here are doctors or other highly qualified specialists.

Media is forcing their agenda and only focusing on pro immigration protest and most of anti immigration citizen have actual jobs so they don't have the time to money around in front of congress building. But it's irrelevant what people think, govermet will do what ever Germany commands. It's quite ironic people here are taking pride in braking free from Yugoslavia, but it's the same think now, just with other overlords.

There posters are very nice unlike your shithole

>800 applied for asylum

Our asylum approval rates are pretty low, meaning about 100 will be allowed to stay out of those 800.

Short answer: No.
Long answer: Many Slovenes speak at least a little Serbo-Croatian, so usually we can understand each other.

OK, exposition is one thing, but I meant your first situation (ie. if they are intelligible without any former active or passive contact). I tried to read some of your websites, but for me both Serbo-Croatian and Slovene are very hard to understand even in the written form.

See that pro-refugee protest? It's basically eight Afghans, one amnesty international guy, and one old commie fart. Now compare that to similar protests in Germany.

t-that's a "pro refugee protest"??????

surely you are joking

those several people may be related to some "NGO" that receives funds to spread pro-immigration ideology, these is how it works here - is see some 20 or 30 people demonstrating, but if you check them, they are all related to some EU/German/American "NGO", tl;dr - it may be simply their "job" to demonstrate

Yeah, they protested that Illegal aliens act that's being proposed.

Yeah, but the fact that it's just them and no locals says a lot.

Wtf is every american moving to slovenia now

>govermet will do what ever Germany commands

What are you talking about? Does "zakon o tujcih" sound like something Germany would command?

> if they are intelligible without any former active or passive contact

No. I say this because of the fact that an average Serb or a Croat will have a giant question mark on his face when faced by Slovene.

>Short answer: No.

wtf, of course they are

I'm not really sure Slovene and S-C can be classified as separate languages at all because 75% of our vocabularies are basically the same.

>75% of our vocabularies are basically the same

U wot? If anything it's the grammar that's similar, and vocabulary very different.

>surely you are joking
Why, we all have similar activists, the point is that in our region pro-immigration demonstrations look like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=0gaRZUIanHM
, while anti-immigration marches look like this:
youtube.com/watch?v=vpxweJQYMF4
so these "movements" aren't even comparable

>Hello!
S: Zdravo.
SC: Zdravo.
>How are you?
S: Kako si? (officially kako ti gre, but meh)
SC: Kako si?
>Fine, thanks.
S: Dobro, hvala.
SC: Dobro, hvala.
>Have you been to the square?
S: Ali si bil na trgu?
SC: Je li si bio na trgu?
>I have not been
S: Nisem bil.
SC: Nisam bio.

Yup, totally different langauges, nothing in common at all.

im aware poland is very much nationalist, i just don't think slovenia is

Kek, only now I realised that this pro-refugee demonstration in Poland has some German participants, that blonde girl with dreadlocks speaks native-level German

It's easy to cherry pick these examples. I could do a similar comparison with German and say that Slovene is mutually intelligible with it.

Fact is that that an average Mujo south of Kolpa can't understand Slovene for shit, while Slovenes understand SC decently well because of the exposure.

is it true that slovenes can hardly understand each other because of dialect?

I second this question, I heard that Slovene has three quite different dialects.

>My name is Paul
S: Ime mi je Pavle
SC: Ime mi je Pavle
>I come from a big city in a big country
S: Prihajam iz velikega mesta v majhni državi
SC: Prihajam iz velikog grada u mali državi
>My native language is not spoken by many people
S: Moj materni jezik govorijo le redki ljudje
SC: Moj materinski jezik priča tek malo ljudi
>All I know is that it is completely different from the language of the neighbouring people
S: Vem samo, da je popolnoma drugačen od jezika sosednjih ljudi
SC: Znam samo, da je potpuno drukčiji od jezika susednjih ljudi

It has seven distinct dialect groups. We all understand each other, but often find the other groups either funny or annoying.

Any Mujo who comes here can learn perfect Slovene in a month. It's just that many from the first migration wave chose not to due to Serbian nationalism (at least that's what Goran Vojnovič said was the case with his parents).

>you'll never be slovenian
well.. never say never

>>Hello!
>S: Zdravo.
>SC: Zdravo.
PL: Cześć.
(athough "zdrowo" means "great" in our slang)
>>How are you?
>S: Kako si? (officially kako ti gre, but meh)
>SC: Kako si?
Jak się masz?
(although "Jak ci (jest)?" may be used in some instances in vernacular)
>>Fine, thanks.
>S: Dobro, hvala.
>SC: Dobro, hvala.
Dobrze, dziękuję.
(alhough we have the word "chwała" - "glory"
>>Have you been to the square?
>S: Ali si bil na trgu?
>SC: Je li si bio na trgu?
Byłeś na placu?
(although we have the word "targ" - "market"
>>I have not been
>S: Nisem bil.
>SC: Nisam bio.
Nie byłem.

>We all understand each other*

*liable to amount of consumed alcohol and age of participatory parties

>Jak się masz?

'Kako se imaš?' is another way of saying how are you, so we'd actually be able understand this. Not the rest though.

Still, wouldn't you agree that Slovene and Serbocroatian are just about the same? They'd be considered dialects in any western country, because they aren't further apart than Low German and High German. In fact, I'd say they're much closer.

It was fun when I entered freshman year of my high school. My class mates were from all over the place and not just locals like before. I had a hard time understanding a couple of them because they had such heavy dialects. I remember one guy having to repeat himself a few times when he asked me where to buy a buss pass, and I'm not sure if he understood my answer either. Slovene language classes were also fun sometimes because of this.

We could all understand each other by the end of the school year though. Both because us locals got used to it, and because those dialect speakers switched to a more standard language. .

Is that your professional linguistic appraisal? Because they're legitimately separate languages...

>>My name is Paul
>S: Ime mi je Pavle
>SC: Ime mi je Pavle
PL: Mam na imię Paweł/Na imię mi Paweł.
(although "Imię me jest Paweł" could be used in old-Polish, I guess)
>>I come from a big city in a big country
(you probably meant "small country, not big)
>S: Prihajam iz velikega mesta v majhni državi
>SC: Prihajam iz velikog grada u mali državi
PL: Przyjechałem z wielkiego miasta (grodu in old-Polish) w małym państwie.
(Russians use the word "dierzhava" for "the state)
>>My native language is not spoken by many people
>S: Moj materni jezik govorijo le redki ljudje
>SC: Moj materinski jezik priča tek malo ljudi
PL: Niewielu ludzi mówi w moim języku ojczystym.
(although "materinski" is easily understandable, similar to our "matczyny", "redki" looks like our "rzadki" - "rare", "mało" could be used here too, like "mało ludzi" - "few people", "govorilo" is similar to our "gaworzyć" - "to babble"
>>All I know is that it is completely different from the language of the neighbouring people
>S: Vem samo, da je popolnoma drugačen od jezika sosednjih ljudi
>SC: Znam samo, da je potpuno drukčiji od jezika susednjih ljudi
PL: Wiem tylko, że jest kompletnie inny od języka sąsiadów.
)this sentence is quite different, although "samo" is easy to guess, since "sam" means "alone" here

There are clearly some striking similarities, but it may be not enough to provide decent mutual intelligibility

fuck off we're full

>They'd be considered dialects in any western country

Even in Denmark, Sweden and Norway?

>one old commie fart
>publicly parading with a commie star hat
Disgusting.
Why didn't anyone throw anything at him yet?

The only reason one can consider them different language is because of butthurt Croats, who fail to recognise greater distances between past Shtokavian, Kajkavian and Chakavian. I wrote in Chakavian a few days ago and a Slovene understood almost an entirety of my post, while he would understand less of my standard language.

Dismantling the controversial idea that Croatian has three dialects would ensure linguistic continuity with Slovene dialects

Less stygm when comparing them, because it wouldn't be "mine" and "yours". Just how we agreed with Serbs (though they have a different idea of agreeing. SRRRRRRRBIIIJJJAAA BREEE)

They teach our children that Croatian has three dialects: Shtokavian, Chakavian and Kajkavian
Those are three languages. Not dialects. That's why kids fail at the matura, when they read a CHakavian writer, because it's a Croatian """"""dialect"""""""

>they aren't further apart than Low German and High German
I don't know German very well, but my German teacher told me that German dialects may be quite distant, for example he couldn't understand spoken Swiss German, and mind that today's Germans are exposed to the same media, therefore even their regional dialects become more and more similar. I find South Slavic languages quite interesting, because they are relatively rich, here, in the north, we have tens of millions people speaking almost identical language (at least Polish and Russian seem to be extremely "centralised"), without too many regional differences.

Oh, S-C for I come would be dolazim. Still, it's surprising (and shameful) how few people on either side can speak the other's West South Slavic dialect. Literally a mere 20% difference and we pretend we don't understand it, shamufuru.

It depends on where you come from. Remember that the USA is much bigger then Europe.

I heard that Croatian dialect spoken near Zagreb is more similar to Slovene than the rest of your regional variants

SC: Ime mi je Pavao
SC: Dolazim iz velikog grada u maloj državi
SC: Moj materinji jezik govori/priča tek malo ljudi
SC: Samo znam da je potpuno drugačiji od jezika susjednih ljudi

Because Minnesota is better.

>Those are three languages. Not dialects. That's why kids fail at the matura, when they read a CHakavian writer
Wow, that would be extremely exotic here, actually even our spoken language is almost the same as literary Polish, the only difference is stylistical