Could modern rap even be considered music? Or modern music in general? You just press a machine and it produces sounds, then mumble incoherent hedonistic bullshit into a mic.
There is no music theory involved, no real instruments used, it's garbage tbqh family.
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just stop no one cares if you only listen to "real hip-hop" all music is subjective I dislike trap as a genre but I respect its place as a musical form try to think of it as post-modern art and even if you dislike it respect the talent
There is absolutely no talent involved, literally anyone can do it and that's why I have no respect for it.
On top of it being downright garbage, it's making society as a whole shit as well. I'm tired of this modern art busllshit trend where you think nailing shit to a wall and calling it "art" should be respected.
Kindly kys.
you get out of mum's basement and do it then bartholomew
rock is dead when are the rockists going to go ten feet under with it?
"Trap" is fucking garbage
the level of thought invested into every piece is varying yes the rappers you listed 4/5 are record industry produced but what about lil yatchy his project lil boat was one of the most sonically interesting records in years again not a fan but just pointing out the fact it's not all shit thrown at the wall
>There is absolutely no talent involved
go ahead, download ableton and make a beat then. I kinda agree that the lyrics of popular songs are garbage most of the time, but if yopu want good lyricists, search for them
nice bait tho 10/10 made me and another user reply
t. DeLontrell Robinson-Jackson
this isn't bait this is what happens when you grow up sad and neglected jerking it to prog all day
Pretty much all the beats sound like the same generic garbage. So it wouldn't be hard to do, I'm open minded so I'll check it out but I guarantee it's going to be straight ass.
Yachty doesn't mumble
Or, this is what happens when you actually like music and not the same regurgitated garbage.
Every genre has it's virtuoso to end all virtuosos, now tell me: What is mumble rap's virtuoso champion? And how does she stack up to the artist in other genres?
Now think of that and you'll some come to realize how bottom-tier this garbage really is.
There is no talent involved. 90% of Shit-Hop is based around the Amen and Apache breaks.
Rap about the club, drank, hoes, and guns on top of it, and you got yourself a rap song.
mumble rap isn't a genre you absolute dweeb
Oh, and anchor it with an 808 bassline. That's crucial.
it's so easy to make a hit rap song today, i'd almost do it myself
(not the user you replied to)
all metal sounded the same for me not so long ago, it's an aquired taste
but even if I'm still more of a metalhead than a hip hop fan, I can see than
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sounds noyhing like
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wich sounds nothing like
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What you posted is actual decent hip-hop.
I'm talking about shit like this.
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Bad and boujee is a good song though
this is just garbage somebody who spends their day listening to indie rock dips into
If you have double digit IQ, sure.
If you can't appreciate the good parts of the song you have a single digit iq
if its so easy whats stopping you from making a hit song to fund your "band"
oh wait you don't even have the talent to make garbage music
I'm still waiting for a "good part" of the song.
The rhyme scheme is good, and Quavo's verse isn't bad.
I bet you couldn't even figure out how to make the background ambiance in that first song.
Yeah, I'm at such a loss on how to produce this generic 4/4 garbage.
Do tell how much you actually know about music?
>hedonistic
there is literally nothing wrong with hedonism
go ahead
make a beat for us right now senpai
Pointing out that it's 4/4 tells me you don't play music. Music doesn't have to be an unusual time signature to be complex you fucking buffoon. And my point was that you wouldn't know shit from shinola once you opened up an electronic music production program or set foot in a studio.
>implying
“Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.
-Matthew 7:1-5
a lot of rap isn't about lyrical content, it's about what flows and sounds good
imagine being this stupid holy shit 'durr i don't like popular music look how sophisticated and special i am'. i seriously hope you are 16 years old or younger because after that age being this much of a retarded edgelord really isn't justifiable anymore.
tl;dr:
>bible quote
lmao
For one, I'm not bashing on all music produced by electronic music production programs you fucking shit-heel. I like artist like Nujabes, Flying-Lotus, Aphex Twin, MF Doom, Kero One, Daft Punk, etc..
Nor am I saying that music has to be in odd-time signatures to be complex either. Just that these modern ages artist are doing nothing new or groundbreaking and all sound the same. THAT trap shit is not hard to produce, the artist I just named? Actually produce good shit and do new and interesting things with every album they produce.
maybe, they're still different one from another
matthew 7:1-5 is a really good quote
if you read it. it tells you only God can judge you which goes against op looking down upon hedonism
okay why don't you produce a trap beat for us right now?
Nujabes just took samples from bossa nova, Spanish guitar, and elevator music type shit and looped it, then added boom bap. Why do backpackers put him on a pedestal? Less theory goes into that than the minimal keyboard playing that goes into the ambiance behind some of the trap beats you posted.
>you just press a machine and it produces music
Funny, all this time, you see, I thought people were called producers for a reason. Something to do with getting the mix right, finding audio clips and samples to use and then manually creating the backing tracks to fit perfectly with the vocals and themes they had.
le wrong generation
There is a difference between righteous judging and other judging
god you are such an unlikable little piece of shit. reminder you just listen to the fucking music and no matter how 'good' the music you listen to might be you're still just a faggy consumer like any normie top 40 listener, just with a shitty opinion that literally doesn't matter. Stop identifying so much with your tastes in music it's embarrassing.
there are more talentless hacks who make beats than pretty much anything else, so you really have to dominate to find success in that.
it's also really fucking hard to rap and not sound like a total goober
a lot of "mumble" rappers are just trying to sound cool, cold and uncaring, which isn't something everyone can do
I don't just "listen" to music you fucking mong. I actually study music and play it because I have a PASSION for it.
So when I see monkeys throwing shit at a wall and claiming how artistic and creative it is, it pisses me off.
this is bait
try harder next time
raindrop
droptop!
>I don't have a proper retort
>Time to use le-bait smoke bomb so I can magically disappear without having to respond
Typical.
I've been playing piano since childhood but luckily I didn't turn into a pretentious dickhead. You probably strum a guitar though.
it's not SUPPOSED to be respected it's just supposed to be enjoyed as background music or as self-insert male fantasy or something idk
and you don't need to have "respect" for that to work
it has nothing in common with any form of modern art, it's not academic in nature, like you said yourself theory is not the point
mumble rap is shite but you're a straight up retarded pseudointellectual teenager
>there are more talentless hacks who make beats than pretty much anything else, so you really have to dominate to find success in that.
Indeed.
Notice how's there's seemingly a "hot new rapper/producer" every month? Millions upon millions of hacks are twiddling away on Fruity Loops in the projects, so the lifespan is super short for a lot of this garbage.
look man if you wanna shitpost go ahead
but you're gonna have to work harder on your material
try adding some nu-male cucks to your sentences
Reminds me of what the Death Metal genre eventually devolved into.
>devolved
but this album is where it peaked
What exactly is "supposed" to be respected to you, retard? Nobody makes things with the intent of it being respected, that's something earned. And mumble rap hasn't earned that.
>Le fence sitting "it's bad, but you suck for liking good music too" argument
you wouldn't suck for liking good music too if you weren't such a self righteous ideologue about it
prove that you study music or that's all you'll be
you know what pisses me off? little shits who lie on the internet.
>claiming how artistic and creative it is
who the fuck does that
seriously
the white bloggers who write analysis on stuff like that mostly talk about how it's novel or socially interesting in some way, not any kind of music theoretical analysis
fun fact: music theory is descriptive, it's not the point of music, the point is the actual experience and in pop/rap/rock, involvement with music culture
i mean what, are you a dream theater fan?
It's a shame that liking actual music makes you "pretentious" in today's society, tell me, what do you play? That same generic 5 note repetitive piano sample you hear in almost every trap song nowadays?
I consider Devourment the start of all the wigger slam bands.
>Nobody makes things with the intent of it being respected
that would be a simple truism if it weren't fucking wrong either. everyone wants approval of others you mong. generally when we talk about respect on artistic terms we talk about extraordinary musicianship or being innovative, that's what i said is not the point of this style
The point is music and always has been music.
Although, trap isn't exactly music. Of course they don't give some musical analysis because most people don't know shit about music on a technical level.
>trap isn't exactly music.
can you be any more of a square?
Can we just ban americans from Sup Forums?
liking any music doesn't make you pretentious you fucking retarded sperg holy shit shut up. you actually made me mad now good fucking job. what makes you pretentious is your smug fucking attitude that comes from nothing but your taste in music and dislike of whatever you call 'mumble rap'. You are not better than anyone else and your music sure as hell doesn't make you better than anyone else either why can't you get that through your thick head. Your so called 'passion' for music that apparently results in baseless hatred for a genre you very obviously know nothing about and don't even seem to understand (which is surprising as you claim the music is so stupid and you are oh so intelligent) is the pinnacle of immaturity
>everyone wants approval of others you mong
Then that would completely contradict what you said earlier then dumbass.
> generally when we talk about respect on artistic terms we talk about extraordinary musicianship or being innovative, that's what i said is not the point of this style
And then your second point just completely validates mine, so you're saying that when a trap artist creates something they aren't doing it because they think it's "hard tho bruh" and want to show it to the world?
>ITT: Another OP who thinks modern music is easy and derivative while not realising their own opinion is equally as easy and derivative.
tl;dr - kys
we'd be better of banning all the anaemic euros who wake up hop on Sup Forums to complain about a genre they could never hope to understand before they go off to chop wood and dress up like vikangz
Oh fuck off idiot, everything has a standard of quality.
Let me guess, you're one of those "ANYTHING CAN BE GOOD, EVEN IF IT'S JUST BEATING A TIN CAN OVER AND OVER AGAIN FOR 10 STRAIGHT MINUTES IT CAN BE ENJOYABLE." right?
This shit actually influences society as a whole, when music makes you think it's a beautiful thing. When it's reduced to the same generic drivel it does the OPPOSITE and you can see it today. If you think promoting smoking weed, fucking shallow bitches, and gargling "sizzurp" and various other mind-frying drugs is cool then fucking hang yourself, seriously.
Don't get me wrong, psychedelic rock did much of the same. But at least it took actual talent to play and was overall creative and interesting.
do any of you like mid 2000s hip hop? i feel like music nerds only developed this kind of acceptance for lowbrow rap in the last few years, but also a sort of recency bias so naturally because "ringtone rap" isnt popular anymore there's no real re-evaluation going on. even though that's something i see in process for pop rock from that decade
Not all modern music is thoughtless and derivative, just most pop.
>this isn't bait this is what happens when you grow up sad and neglected jerking it to prog all day
If this isn't bait, to hell with this board.
idk i probably tried to present too many different perspectives and counterpoints to the point where they contradict itself, mainly because you had no real perspective at all, you're just an ideologue
>If you think promoting smoking weed, fucking shallow bitches, and gargling "sizzurp" and various other mind-frying drugs is cool then fucking hang yourself, seriously.
i mean seriously you're basically just being a SJW
and you definitely don't deserve those delicious digits
>it tells you only God can judge you which goes against op looking down upon hedonism
Oh, really? Which God?
>guitars are harder to play than electronic based instruments
Is this YouTube?
all of them
And all of them exist and all of them are omnibenevolent?
At least guitarist, bassist, drummers, etc.., have actual control over their instruments and can innovate on the spot live.
yes
Not the same user, but who cares really? Brian Eno's music is for the most part minimalistic and not overly technically complex and it still sounds fresh and original to this day.
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Good to know buddy. Praise Jeebus!
>Implying gods need to be benevolent
>implying that sort of dualism in a superior being
>Implying you're straight
Yo OP, new to the thread but I really wanna hear some of your own music if you're that passionately slaving away at it.
Absolutely
>*tips fedora*
Uzi's verse on Boujee tho
clever.
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21 Savage is legitmately bad. I don't know how anyone cant willingly listen to his music for extended periods of time.
Desiigner was a one-hit wonder, and shows no sign of recovering his fame unless you know.... HE ACTUALLY PUTS OUT A HALF-DECENT SONG
Kodak is meh, I get his appeal and I've heard a song by him that I like.
Yachty is definetely a trendsetter, and his rise to fame is unprecedented and is completely understandable. and I feel the same way about Uzi.
"What is fire, is fire"
Yachty's sound is quite different from the rest of the rappers in that picture
He adds a certain happier and more colorful aesthetic to his music that makes him stand out from the Uzi Verts and 21 Savages.
It's quite enjoyable, just listen to the Lil Boat mixtape
>He can't understanding what they are saying
that's not their fault.
>she
What>>?!??
Wow yeah because reversing something really takes skill, what a faggot that you're. Even bandcamp ambient doesn't go this low. Trap and rap and pop in general doesn't take skill at all after all most "producers" boats that they can make the beats as fast as possible. Silica gel is probably the most complex stuff you will hear from this gear but its still not even close to other genres, even rock. Of course skill doesn't equal good, but the foremost genres still suck.
rock is pop
Not really.
yeah it is
Noth.