Most of you probably don't know this, but deadmau5 recently came out with an album called "stuff i used to do". No, don't leave just now. I get that EDM is shit, I used to make it myself, and then moved onto IDM and other genres because it's so formulaic.
But it's also true that deadmau5 has, in certain ways, not fit that trend. As cringey as he might be in certain ways, a lot of his tracks are non-pop works that don't rely on hooks.
…but maybe the most important thing here is the border between EDM and IDM. Because you listen to "stuff i used to do", and a bunch of that is old school dance, and for sure some I'd consider to be IDM. I usually think of EDM and IDM as distinctly two separate things, one is good and the other isn't, but is that characterization correct? Isn't it just a bit too simplistic? For example, I've also seen Flying Lotus live, and as much as I adore him as an artist, his live shows are his songs remixed into EDM. And that irked me at the time, but maybe there's something to it—maybe it has to do with striking a balance between the artistry and acceptable structure. Maybe EDM isn't artistically bankrupt after all.
…or all EDM is shit, no questions. But if that's not the case, then some EDM is good, and groups like Sup Forums would have to accept some EDM is good. But then, which ones?
Samuel Edwards
everytime I think of edm fans, I think of the type of people who camp of in front of best buy the night before a new iphone is released.
Logan Nelson
>edm fans Well yeah, most EDM is shit. That's of no question. The point is more about the border between EDM and IDM, and how it's not quite clear cut as people might want it to be, and what that means as music listeners (and musicians, for some people on this board, I'm sure).
Bentley Morales
eventually you realize that a lot idm is no more interesting or innovative than edm and you turn to older dance music traditions because they serve not as hyperbole or subversion but instead as music that doesnt lie to you about what it is.
your obsession with "artistry" belies your naïveté about the liminal space that is the beating heart of dance music. rather than looking for the context in which the lived experience of dance music begins and ends, you're trying to refine a dichotomy that is on both sides tangential to the source material.
you're also ignoring flylo's relationship with the hip hop tradition, and you've demonstrated that you cant adequately analyze his work.
you lead with like the most hackneyed example of EDM possible and really didnt even pose an interesting or even informed question. it's just a bunch of vague gesticulating about two of the most well known electronic acts of the 2000s
Nicholas King
>electronic music is EDM or IDM
Blow America up already kim Jong, put us all out our misery
Caleb Bailey
>you're also ignoring flylo's relationship with the hip hop tradition, and you've demonstrated that you cant adequately analyze his work.
>Not going in detail about FlyLo and his relation to hip-hop clearly means I didn't recognize it despite it being blatantly obvious >Mentioning hip-hop as though it redeems FlyLo while not recognizing the influence it has on IDM as a whole, including people like Aphex Twin, Autechre, Boc, etc. >deadmau5 is the most hackneyed example of EDM possible
haha, friend.
No one's saying that, it's just that there's a clear connection there that's kind of interesting to look at.
Luke Flores
Go to bed, Joel
Asher Jones
>your obsession with "artistry" belies your naïveté about the liminal space that is the beating heart of dance music. >you're also ignoring flylo's relationship with the hip hop tradition, and you've demonstrated that you cant adequately analyze his work.
I'll also add that you've come up with some disparaging remarks while not being able to come up with any interesting critique of your own, other than the dismissal of "a lot" of IDM and being constrained to the idea that dance music has to be tied to the dancefloor. It's such a shame your world is so small.
Cooper Morgan
IDM is fucking wank trash, don't force yourself to like it just because Aphex Twin and Autechre get memed on here
Brayden Hernandez
go to bed joel, it's late.
Ian White
Read what Scaruffi has to say about UK Hardcore music, it's one of the most well reasoned statements on this whole EDM/IDM bullshit.
EDM is a dirty word, though, don't use it.
And no, there is no "good" EDM, because EDM doesn't actually mean electronic dance music, despite it being abbreviation for that, just like IDM isn't arbitrarily intelligent.
Sebastian Gray
Stop putting all danceable electronically produced music under the "EDM" label.
Learn about techno, house, breaks, trance, garage and hard-core, each are hugely different with varying subtypes.
Jaxon Brown
>Stop putting all danceable electronically produced music under the "EDM" label. No one's doing that, idiot
the statements about EDM are made with the recognition that it covers a subgenre of electronic dance music that's around from around 2009-2010.
William Taylor
So tl;dr - is there any decent "bigroom/brostep EDC/Ultra festival EDM"?
Justin Sanders
"EDM" is nothing more than an initialisim for Electronic Dance Music; it's not a fucking genre, stop being an ignorant American. "IDM" has more relevance being a genre despite it being also an Americanism, but most of the things that come under "IDM" would more accurately be labeled as either a subgenre of techno or breakbeat
Bentley Bell
>EDM >IDM
Please stop using these words, you're making an idiot of yourself for being so ignorant towards dance music
Ian Price
i think youll find thats part of the b8 user
Nathan Hughes
no
Hunter Phillips
I get why IDM is retarded, as if staying at home taking drugs and wanking if more intelligent than going to a club.
But whats wrong with saying EDM? Isnt EDM exactly what its described as, electronic music that you can dance to?
Wyatt Morgan
You could argue that there are some talented edm producers out there, but by making their compositions (which could be great if channeled in other ways) into EDM, they mix it in with the EDM scene, which is the worst musical scene of all fucking time
Brody Lopez
A majority of "IDM" is dance music that can get played at a club; Autechre make dance music, Aphex makes dance music, it's dance music
Nobody said EDM to refer to all electronic dance music, it's either that or just dance music, all this "EDM" shite is just a meaningless Americanism
Dominic Hall
What's wrong with saying guitar music when talking about rock, reggae and flamenco?
Isn't guitar music exactly what its described as, music made with guitars?
Sebastian Gomez
Rock, reggae and flamenco are guitar music. I dont like guitars for example and therefore dislike all those genres.
Jaxon Phillips
>Dancing to Aphex Twin Fucking how? Unless you're an alien with 6 limbs
Landon Turner
But no one would be this vague.
Just as saying EDM is equally as vague and hugely different.
Robert Murphy
He does it himself in Windowlicker
Aaron Foster
So you go to clubs and shove an umbrella between your legs? And have someone edit the footage of you after to speed up bits?
Hudson Robinson
He makes music heavily inspired by either techno or jungle; both dance music genres The only release you probably couldn't dance to is SAW Vol II, although I once heard Rhubarb being played at a rave once
Parker Ortiz
EDM absolutely is a genre and not an initialism. It refers to that American festival stage frat bro bullshit style of electronic dance music.
mb u just can't dance lls
Blake Brown
I am being this vague right now. Fuck guitar music. I dont like it.
Dylan Hughes
OH I get it. You guys dont like EDM because people who listen to arent virgins and put their dicks inside girls you like.
Elijah Cox
Because everyone who goes to Berghain and Fabric are virgins. Idiot.
Ryder Reyes
isn't berghain a gay sex club hahaha fucking faggots
Luke Cooper
EDM is the dance music equivalent of buttock.
Sebastian Allen
>Germany
Yeah they are cuckold virgins.
Jayden Gray
So you prefer dicks to a nice ass then?
Josiah Perry
who isn't a cuckold virgin at this point? The term is so absurdly overused that it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Luis Diaz
Guys that dont listen to fucking Aphex Twin
Brayden Ortiz
but they don't play aphex twin at berghain
Daniel Martin
>Breaks ranges from jungle to trip hop >Techno ranges from freetek to ambient techno >House ranges from acid to minimal >it's all EDM or IDM
This board is funny
Christian Johnson
How would you know? Unless you are a regular?
Kayden Jackson
>Sup Forums will never treat these electronic genres separately like they do the other electronic subgenre of hip hop
Benjamin Parker
minimal house is not a thing
Ayden Foster
Minimal, microhouse, same difference.
Gabriel James
Because Sup Forums is rockist so only talks about albums and start a thread about house/techno/breaks albums and the regards from /bleep/ throw a hissy fit.
Caleb Davis
not the same at all do you even know what house is?
Ian Clark
>
Nicholas Rogers
>Microhouse, sometimes just minimal, is a subgenre of house music strongly influenced by minimalism and 1990s techno.