Should cp be legalized?
It's just pixels on a computer screen. There is no industry that kidnaps kids and manufactures videos. Anyone who's been on the darknet knows it's shared and no one pays for it. There is some vague spiritual approval of the act that is implied, but does that justify a jail sentence? If your nudes are floating around on the Internet, you should just get over it and stop dragging everyone into your drama.
There's no industry because it's illegal you stupid fuck
this has to be some low quality bait right here. human trafficking is at its highest that it's ever been.
you think they just shuffle those girls and women around for fucking fun?
jesus, rethink all your shit.
The reason there isn't an industry like that is because cp is illegal. There are enough stories of adult women being taken advantage of in the current porn industry to know that legal child porn would lead to children being forced into it.
>its just pixels on a computer screen
No its child abuse and years of intensive therapy you kiddie fucker
Yes, it should. It's all virtual and fantasy.
What's the ugliest part of your body?
Some say your nose
and some say your toes
but I think it's your mind!
–Frank Zappa
Human population as at the highest it's ever been.
It would still be illegal to manufacture it.
The actual pictures and videos are just 1's and 0's. There's no point in sperging out over them.
Why you tell us this user ?
Why dont you tell this thing to normies in real life ?
Is maybe because you damn well know its wrong and you gonna get you ass kicked.
Well, it had to be created somewhere, with someone's child involved.
Loli is just drawings, cp is pictures of actual children that are or were alive.
It's not readily available because it's illegal.
If it was legal it would create a demand that would create an industry to fulfill that demand.
libertarian detected
>demand that would create an industry to fulfill that demand
There already is demand and some form of industry to fill that need, but it's all blackmarket. But I'm in no way in favor of decriminalization of cp.
>Should cp be legalized?
How can an image -- any image -- be illegal?
because Sup Forums is overrun with normies these days
Cocaine is illegal, has an industry. Meth is illegal, has an industry. LSD is illegal, has an industry.
Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it has no industry you fucking canoli.
its okay to do it to women though
by that logic you would have to outlaw all gore as well
so what you're saying is we should make all pornography illegal?
And here I was, deluding myself that flat-earthers were the pinnacle of retardation ...
Thank you OP, for that shinny turd!
All pedo scum should be euthanized and turned into food for rescued dogs
3edgy5me
>human trafficking is at its highest that it's ever been.
wait what?
are you retarded?
we used to literally move people on boats across the ocean to have them pick cotton for us
No, but I do think there should be better systems in place for the women who are victims of the industry. Most stories I've heard are of women who wanted to make some money filming a scene, but were convinced the scene would have a much smaller release than it actually would.
In the case of child porn, the kids most likely didn't know what they were doing or why. For a lot of kids, all adults hold authority, and an adult telling them they should do something is enough reason to do it.
There are lots of adults who want to make porn, so it doesn't make sense to make it entirely illegal because a small percentage were taken advantage of. On the other hand, no kids would film themselves having sex unless they were coerced by a predatory adult.
What is this again?
What the hell this looks just like an old friend of mine
newfag
who's in the pic op?
And how the fuck do you think people are transported nowadays? Holy turd brain. The amount of enslaved people nowadays is ridiculously beyond what it was when the US used slaves officially. What is population growth. Fucktard.
honest abe always looks blazed as fuck
>And how the fuck do you think people are transported nowadays?
TELEPORTS
airplanes?
>It's just pixels on a computer screen.
Good bait OP. By that logic absolutely any evil act in existence could potentially be legal, including the televised murder of you and your entire family. Something, I admit I'd happily watch.
yeah is that caitlin stasey? tits are a bit bit for her though...
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The murder itself would be illegal, the recording would not be. You are aware that gore is legal?
If you can have systems in place to protect women, you can have systems in place to protect children.
The making it illigal part is supposed to prevent the recording and distribution of it. People don't record murders for this reason because it's evidence, because it's against the law.
And the word was spoken, and we followed.
Guys, stop letting the fact that you are bored of everyday porn turn you into child molesters. It's not harmless if a 6 year old had to lick a penis in order to get a photograph that you could cum to.
Just go for shemales! It's weird and legal!
You can delegalize cp without delegalizing sex with children. It would still be evidence of a crime.
The point is people are being thrown in jail for having a recording of a crime that was committed by someone else. It makes no sense. That's like throwing everyone in jail for watching that video of the nigger that killed the old man. It's illegal to kill old men, it's not illegal to own the recording of it.
There are systems in place for children. If someone takes advantage of a kid, they'll be punished accordingly.
For adults, we can't just make porn illegal outright because some of them want to be in porn. The issue is that some people are lead to believe they'll be doing something easy that nobody they know will ever see, but when the time comes they're forced into other deals. There are stories you can look up from girls who have done scenes for Girls Do Porn, where they were told they were doing an audition or that their scene would only be released on dvd in foreign countries. After they were flown out (alone) to film their scene, they were basically forced to sign another contract that they wouldn't have signed otherwise.
Doing that to a kid would get someone thrown in jail, but adults don't have a system in place to deal with that kind of thing.
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Yes, it's retarded to lock people up for having evidence of a crime
It's the only category of picture we actually lock people up for. I mean, unless you're taking pictures inside a nuclear submarine or something. But that's national defense, I don't see how CP is a nation defense issue and it really shouldn't be an enforcement priority of the federal government.
How would you design such a system to protect adults? If it's even possible.
>There is no industry that kidnaps kids and manufactures videos.
You mean like many of the girls used by L-S Magazine? The company who made millions.
>it's shared and no one pays for it
Who not only sold a print magazine but sold internet subscription
But, you have a point. It's much more acceptable when it's freely traded. Like when a single father manipulates his daughter that thinking sucking daddy's salty milk is somehow tied to sane fatherly love. Then he can exploit his daught for attention on the Internet to justify his lack of attention growing up. Yea, I'm sure Vicky turned out okay.
It's because muh feels. The idea a pervert could be out there, with totally legally pictures of naked kids and MASTURBATING TO IT is just beyond the pale.
Nevermind there are people that masturbate to shit like diapers, gore etc. which are actual pathologies, yet these subhumans are free to be disgusting because muh children aren't involved.
supply and demand. You perverted that principle in your first sentence willingly in order to try to justify the evil, you are flipping the truth, deceiver.
You are trash and if you wish to practise this at your current circumstances, deal with the consequences as low the low shit you are and keep waiting, you keep the balance.
Nah. Anime shit is fine, though - literally drawings. Not real kids. Knock yourself out.
Yeah don't really understand why possession is illegal and I think most people know it's a bullshit law, yes people who produce it should die in a fire but possession is not intent nor are you a perpetrator for viewing it. They show people getting murdered on the nightly news with ISIS cutting peoples heads off (doesn't make me a murderer) and is not a crime to watch such videos don't see why seeing a naked kid = illegal. As long as you yourself don't commit the offence yourself there should be no crime.
kys op
I don't know if it is possible. There would basically have to be a way to prove the contract was signed under duress, and then a way to take down the videos. Both of those things are incredibly difficult to accomplish.
My original point was mostly that even adults, who are supposed to be able to protect themselves from that, can be made into victims in the porn industry. If it happens to adults, it would certainly happen to kids if child pornography is made legal.
You can criminalize creation and distribution without criminalizing possession itself. This is the situation in at least 2 G8 countries.
The difference is that there's little to no demand and financial gain from recording violence, but sex however has a huge market and demand. Providing cp content legally would help promote a cp industry, causeing more of it to be made, and lead to more kids being abused for old men to pay to jerk off to, etc. Therefore it must be made illegal.
What would it do to the peoples minds to have that be okay they would slowly be conditioned, like a frog in a boiling pot. This is pure evil and destroying children as well as your mind.
>You mean like many of the girls used by L-S Magazine? The company who made millions.
A point could be made to delegalize porn for profit in its entirety.
>he can exploit his daught for attention on the Internet to justify his lack of attention growing up
It's not easy figuring out what to do with these types of fuck ups. The darknet culture of "upload oc, get approval" is highly toxic and likely a contributing factor to this phenomenon.
You never heard of sex rings, idiot?
Regardless of how you feel, it is noteworthy to mention it is rare for something to be illegal by merely viewing an illegal act. It is illegal to murder but legal to watch a video of a murder.
user if people are going to look at it they don't really give a shit if it's illegal obviously. I mean, you get like 5 years for a single picture and a video counts as several pictures. Even this absurd sentence is not draconian enough to stop people.
What it would do is ease the burden of jailing a bunch of non-violent shut-ins and feeding them on the taxpayer dime for the rest of their natural lives.
WE have to legalize child porn, it is okay to watch children getting fucked and mutilated because it's okay to watch murders on the screens. There should be television programs of people getting murdered for our entertainment, why has this not happened yet?
>It's just pixels on a computer screen
Maybe to you, but that's demonstrably untrue.
>There is no industry that kidnaps kids and manufactures videos.
There's a large amount of people who do it themselves and it collects in the void of the internet, which creates your so-called "industry."
>Anyone who's been on the darknet knows it's shared and no one pays for it.
An "industry" doesn't mean someone has to pay or someone has to make money.
>There is some vague spiritual approval of the act that is implied, but does that justify a jail sentence?
Are you seriously asking if approving the manufacture of child pornography should be punished?
> If your nudes are floating around on the Internet, you should just get over it and stop dragging everyone into your drama.
I wonder if you would feel the same if it happened to you.
>>It's just pixels on a computer screen
>Maybe to you, but that's demonstrably untrue.
Then demonstrate it, bitch
>Legalized?
Decriminalize cp yes
>Legalize child abuse?
NO.
It's indicative of a larger problem: crime & punishment. Jail isn't an effective form of rehabilitation. But what can they do without revamping our entire system of law?
Just because "people are going to do it anyway" doesn't mean countermeasures shouldn't be in place. People are going to murder anyway, so are you saying we shouldn't punish it?
To do this would be to make a statement that it's okay to own, and not okay to make. When in reality, it's just plain not fucking OK.
Why are you such a jew?
>>There is some vague spiritual approval of the act that is implied, but does that justify a jail sentence?
>Are you seriously asking if approving the manufacture of child pornography should be punished?
>I'm so retarded I can't even parse the OP and realize the difference between possessing a thing, and making more of or sharing a thing.
You may wish to try some Zyklon B
>Just because "people are going to do it anyway" doesn't mean countermeasures shouldn't be in place. People are going to murder anyway, so are you saying we shouldn't punish it?
I don't know why I argue on this board. There's maybe one reasonably intelligent response to every 100 posts.
>people are going to murder anyway
>so are you saying we should punish it?
how can you be this stupid?
The video only depicts child abuse. Its already happened. Cant be undone. All that remains is the video. The fruits of their labor.
>im so retarded i don't know what the word "approve" means
If you accept something that was created, you might as well approve of it. If you're in possession, you might as well say you want it. Go into a police station and say "I only want to OWN CP, not make it, because it's disgusting!" See how they react.
Those are very real people with very real lives, and often, very real abuses. You know this, you're just blocking it from your mind.
Try forming an actual response.
something doesn't have to be legal for there to be an industry of it fart lip
>Those are very real people with very real lives, and often, very real abuses. You know this, you're just blocking it from your mind.
You don't know shit about the people in those pictures and neither do I. But you have an elaborate fantasy in your mind that makes it unsavory.
This does not change the fact that a picture on a computer screen is literally a bunch of pixels. Do you get a little notice in your head when someone looks at a picture of you? No. Without someone telling you, you would literally never know.
Is it unfortunate some kids were abused, this abuse was documented and now it is shared online with others for the purpose of enjoyment? Yes, it is. We should criminalize the manufacture and distribution of such content.
Criminalize possession does not improve anything. There is no benefit. None. If anything, it just opens old wounds for people who were in those pictures, now made public knowledge, and are trying to move on.
Don't equate looking at pictures with murdering people, you dumb motherfucking cunt.
>Anonymous 04/24/17(Mon)20:12:12 No.730
It encourages and supports abusing and sexualizing children. It should not be legal.
So it seems that the majority favors keeping cp illegal. But how do yall feel about jailbait? As in females of the ages 13-17 who willfully (perhaps not wisely) distributed their own pornographic material.
I don't have a "fantasy" in my mind; it's supported by evidence. I said they often have abuses; not always. I said they're real people with real lives; that's true.
If the picture were truly just a bunch of "pixels" like you claim it is, then why does anyone want it? It's just a bunch of pixels. But the truth is, you like it. You're looking for any way to justify it because you don't understand what you're doing is wrong.
>this abuse was documented and now it is shared online with others for the purpose of enjoyment? Yes, it is
If you take pleasure in abuse, you're a disgusting human being. If you really think possession makes sense, I ask you to try my exercise in and find a police station.
>There is no industry that kidnaps kids and manufactures videos.
Yes there are
>Straw man argument
Yes and violent video games make children grow up to be mass murders.
Pixels on a screen can lead to the real thing. We shouldn't allow sick people to nurture their fantasies until they finally crack and abuse a child. In addition, if we legalize the possession of CP it gets that much harder to put the people producing it behind bars. It's harder to convict someone of making CP than it is to convict them of possession.
I'm not, you silly goose. I'm making an analogy. Use your brain next time. Maybe if you asked yourself, "Why is he saying those things?" You would figure out the answer. If you resort to name-calling and mud-slinging, you'll never open your mind to someone else's perspective.
This would violate the non aggression principle you mong.
I suggest you try my exercise of ingesting Zyklon B
If there was a surefire way to guarantee no more CP could get produced I don't see why the stuff that already exists should be illegal.
That's nice, but not really relevant to the conversation. If you can't have an argument without letting emotions cloud your judgment, get out of the argument, user. You seem mad.
Legalization =/= decriminalization
I'm done defining things for you retards though.
You made an absolutely retarded analogy. Obviously killing people is wrong, it results in a dead body and the end of that life. A picture of someone when they were a kid can't even be in the same category.
Bye you faggy thought police.
>argument against CP/Jailbait
well documented evidence that this is a huge cause for the exploitation of minors, and that the mental and physical scars of this often follow the victims for the rest of their lives
>argument for
legalization is the plausible deniability you need to jack off and not feel like as much of a shitbag
>"obviously" killing is wrong
Maybe what you're doing is wrong also. Maybe it's just not as "obvious." Maybe that's why I'm making the analogy, user. But you shot me down and assumed it's a retarded analogy because CP and murder aren't the same. No shit they're not the same. That's not the point. Like I said, if you resort to name-calling, you're never going to open your mind up.
I'm not trying to make a statement about how bad possession is VS murder; I'm trying to point out that it's bad.
>Not Straw Man
>Your defense is a non sequitur
A certain percentage of kids who play violent video games grow up to make violent video games, because there is an audiance for it. In a similar way, a certain number of people looking at CP will go on to create CP, because there is an audiance for it. Creating violent video games is harmless. Creating CP scars children for life. Legalizing the possession of makes it harder to catch producers of CP and would create a legal market for CP making production more tempting.
When people make analogies, they're not comparing the 2 things to say they're exactly the same. They're comparing the 2 things to analyze why we think about them differently when there may not be a reason to.
Ok so your telling me that if a 16 year old took nudes of herself and they end up on the internet then anyone who may have found and jacked off to them should go to prison?
Inb4 TheCruel did nothing wrong
false equivalency. gore is usually the resort of an accident (no intentional harm) or crime (evidence of the crime). they aren't intentionally manufactured for people to fap to. If they were, it /would/ be illegal, turdburger
>systems protecting children
good news, there already are. Since children cannot consent, they made pornography involving children illegal. Glad we cleared that up
Normie detected
It is legal to visualise in my country. But not to own
nah m8. it's the fact that supplying pedos with CP leads to more demand by those same pedos. Then, that leads to the victimization of more kids. This is basic cause and effect stuff
You have no clue! People you do things regardless influence or legality the subject is irrelevant.
>Harder to catch
No it wouldn't
>Legal market???????
Profiteering from a crime has always been illegal fuck wad.
Geez, look at all these kiddie fuckers trying to justify cp... That's pretty gross.
Can you pedo scumfucks just stick to loli/shota? It doesn't harm any real kids and it's legal in some places.
how do you legalize cp without abusing children? really, genuinely curious how that'd work
The content pic/vids not the the crime itself, there is a difference.
because you bait wielding faggot poof... the image causes offence. kill yourself.