Is being vegan a true spiritual path?
Is being vegan a true spiritual path?
Obviously yes. Everyone basically knows that vegan is the right thing to be. It's just that many meat eaters are too insecure or weak to actually manage it.
same fagging about your faggotry is a faggot move veggiefag
in your honor ill eat a steak
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Have a read over your post. Ask yourself, do you come across like an educated, respectable individual. Or do you come across like a retard?
Agreed, it takes intent from the being level.
The cold weather.. Those poor animals shivering in the cold with no where warm to be.
Do you think your on the right thread?
I'm don't think so. To me it's simply a preference in food, i have absolutely no spiritual feelings about it.
No or else all other living things would be vegan. Some eat meat, some eat vegetables, and others are omnivores. If the moral question is to not hurt animals then you should go kill all felines and other carnivores and omnivores. Being vegan is just another reason to feel self important. If you were born in a 3rd world country starving as a child I'm sure you will eat meat and anything you can. Instead these vegan faggots are products of our abundant resources and don't understand that eating is for survival not for ethical reasons.
Trying to achieve spiritual enlightenment through real-world actions is an anachronism.
First you find your spiritual center, then your actions change to match that center more closely.
There's no magic pill, special food, scent, or clothing, or interesting book to make you a better person.
Its not the right path for a guy onless you can stay away from soy.
Would you like to contribute anything of value.
This is a bacon thread isn't it?
Animals feel pain
thus you should go vegan
We know animals feel pain. Everything the term animal applies to feels pain. Give us an actual reason.
your assumption is that people are only vegan because it harms animals, when there are many, many other reasons to not eat meat, or to eat less meat. Personal health, environmental damage, corporate dominance over basic bodily functions as a means of populace control...all good reasons to find food substituting for meat.
Shut up faggot
I do feel that there are a lot of militant vegans out there, that would like to impose their philosophy on others.
I'm not one of them.
So you wouldn't mind if I molested your child? You know, because she's going to feel pain anyway?
it is now
Yea, vegans haven't seen THAT before. Most non-vegan I know won't even touch that shit. It's the most unhealthy "food" you can eat
The reason is that animals feel pain and we should not create pain.
And this is a good marker for, spiritual growth.
Someone said bacon thread?
guise being vegan is healthy that's why I need supplements because my food doesn't have what my body needs
Way to misrepresent my point bro. Go to a rapist and tell them they shouldn't rape because animals feel pain. Now realise how retarded that argument is
You are talking about diseases or illnesses that require vegan diets or just not having enough money for meat. The question was does it bring enlightenment. I just tied it to nature and how they do it. Sure enlightenment is subjective so it was an open ended question but I like seeing how nature does it and compare it to us.
Studies have found vegans are significantly healthier than non-vegans. Supplements are indeed the healthiest way to get certain things. For example you can get B12 from supplements, or you can get it from meat, which leaves you with obesity, diabetes, and heart disease.
You're just stating the same thing 3 times, we know animals feel pain.
"You shouldn't rape because women feel pain"
That sounds like a fine argument tbh
Then you should be vegan.
No. It's the opposite.
Animal agriculture is the largest cause of land, water, and air pollution in the world
Humans have no biological need to consume animal products, animals feel pain, and humans have moral agency. When causing harm to others isn't necessary for survival it's no longer morally good or neutral
Animal products are the prime cause of obesity and cholesterol related deaths, they're unhealthy for consumption and linked to increased cancer risk and many other illnesses
Unless you live in a small-ass town, (I live in Iowa and still get this shit) you can buy substitutes that taste the same. Beyond burger, kite hill, so delicious, and miyokos cheeses, gardein has everything from fish fillets to orange chicken, there are dozens of plant based milks (even the national dairy council predicts by 2021 50% of all milk sales will be from vegan alternatives. I know many people who even eat meat but won't drink dairy milk)
Pro tip: Your b12 supplements don't work and being vegan is not healthy
it's not a true spiritual path, but it's a more ethical and environmentally friendly way to live. vegetarians and vegans would have an easier time presenting the facts and recommending replacing a few meat meals a week with vegetarian/vegan choices instead of guilt tripping people.
No, something must be wrong with said path due to the generally insufferable nature of those people. Vegans are the only people who can have a moral objection to hunting without being a hypocrite, at least you have that.
But you dont have to eat meat or are you a poor faggot? So why are you bringing survival into the equation? Are you close to starvation or are you just spouting strawman shit arguments to lie to yourself? Im a meat eater but im not a compulsive fucking liar I know what im doing is wrong how about you user?
This is called a "gish gallop." Lacking any sound argument you've decided to send out a flurry of unrelated ones knowing that it will be a lot of energy to refute all.
For a start though, you are committing a fallacy in your appeal to nature. Noting that other animals do something does not mean that we have a moral pass to do it also.
You don't need supplements unless you go raw and eat no processed foods. This is a fact based on physicians reporting patient data - non-vegans have more nutrient deficiencies than vegans.
Humans have no biological need to consume animal products
Really? What about some essential vitamins, amino acids and minerals
increased cancer risk and many other illnesses
The sun is linked to cancer, so you better not go outside ever
Milo Stewart detected
It's not because we already know women feel pain. The term women implies an adult female and adult females feel pain. You are just restating the same thing.
Man-children can't be told they're wrong. That's only a sign you're winning. They're incapable of intellectually arguing so they post meat like vegans haven't seen it before, or eaten it on the past. I don't understand it personally, it's like plugging your ears and humming to yourself as a response in a debate.
choosing between a heart attack or not having all nutrients in my body
Enjoy the cardiovascular problems you fat cunt
Human stomach could digest both vegetable and meat product. Such an asshole for not utilizing this gift!
Why dont you feed tiger or lion with vegetable? I bet they would have a healthy lifestyle and live happily forever after.
Pro tip: They do and it is
google "Micronutrient status and intake in omnivores, vegetarians and vegans in Switzerland"
Studies are almost unanimous in concluding that vegans have lower risk of all our biggest killers than meatcucks.
guise he ate meat he is going to have cardiovascular problems and is fat
Kek, how's your nervous system and cognition from get getting enough b12
Inb4 muh supplemen, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2933506/
Because they are not herbivores? Are you fucking retarded
ecological and ethical reasons with eating meat are good reasons to go *vegetarian* but veganism is utter nonsense. we keep chickens in our yard and i can assure you they are well taken care of and whatever the chicken equivalent of happy is. they have space to run around, stuff to scratch at, lots of table scraps to eat. the idea that consuming their eggs is somehow immoral or exploitative is insane. it is a mutually beneficial relationship. maybe a vegan would suggest we set all the world's chickens free? that would certainly be good for them. the same thing can be said about milk or butter or any other animal product that does not require slaughter of the animal. if the cow or goat or chicken is well taken care of, then this is a productive caring relationship between man and animal. veganism argues otherwise and, more broadly, it assumes that man cannot have a symbiotic caring relationship with the animal world; that we should leave the world as wilderness, in a sense. it's ridiculous
he clings to one study
Sorry but for every study you find there are 10 on the vegans side here. Time to call it a day.
Essential? So...despite vegans having less nutrient deficiencies than non-vegans, lower obesity rates, lower rates of diabetes and cancer, I guess they're all going to die because "you need to eat meat?" Unless you don't understand what essential means.
Logical fallacy... I suppose you're probably a smoker who says "were all going to die someday" How about you look up deaths from skin cancer as opposed to colon or pancreatic cancer? (The two most commonly linked with animal products)
Post link I'm not guessing what you read
implying im vegan because I say you're retarded
No faggot, you are eating. If you feel ethically wrong like you do then maybe you should be a vegan. It's not wrong to be a vegan but it doesn't make you better or "enlightened" as op is wondering. Stay on point block head.
I literally gave the name of the study. Google it.
meatcucks really are this intellectually deficient
guise me believe because I said it
I'm on a phone, and about to leave for work, Google that shit.
doesn't like someone's point of view so discredits it
You are the worst type of faggot.
guise I cant copy and past a link a read once
meatcucks wanting trigger warnings before getting debunked
The meat chimpout is real
Is he talking about starving street shitters in india or is he talking to Sup Forums? I doubt starving people frequent Sup Forums you daft cunt.
Choosing brain damage and nervous damage over might might get cancer
using words like meatcuck when never making a point
Does it get lonely on that island you live in?
Omnivore here. The retards in this thread do not represent us. One thing I wonder though is what about free range animals? They have a better life than animals in the wild, so how is that immoral?
The vegan retardness is real, can't even link their own sauce
They why dont you utilize your fucking stomach? I repeat HUMAN STOMACH COULD DIGEST BOTH VEGETABLE AND MEAT PRODUCT!
Why didnt you wish to born as a cow or sheep? Earth would be a better place without a toxic like you!
1/5 die from heart attacks
40% of all people will get cancer in their life
worrying abouy b12 deficiency
How your education have failed you.
This thread, the butthurt.
I love steak as much as I love potatoes.
But I love steak and potatoes better.
“Everything in moderation, including moderation.” -- Oscar Wilde
can't even link their own sauce
Should be using spice related.
Because we were scavengers 12,000 years ago, ethical wrongdoings is forgiven because we are able to commit them? Are you fucking retarded?
This thread needs more bacon
How your education have failed you.
guise 40% of people will get cancer and it's all from meat
guise 1/5, or 20% of if i could do basic math, people die from heart attack and again it's from solely eating meat
Meat eaters are the strong, pinnacle of humanity
Get triggered by the existence of vegans
life feeds life, fuck off with your virtue signaling
I ran out of bacon porn.
How about a study in burger aerodynamics?
Pardon? Are you talking about yourself? How was your school kids? Doing good?
Please get some education. Putangina mo!
Do you shield yourself from knowledge? Even the meatcuck with the b12 links said that all meat eaters were prevalent in cancer and cardiovascular diseases. I would pay to see you read a book
vegans have a 38% reduced risk of heart disease than meat eaters
How do you know we're scavengers from 12,000 years ago? Any solid proves? Did you witness it? Any photo or video? If no please stop bullshitting around!
Hahah filipino trash no wonder a chink like yourself cant understand simple ethics. I feel more sympathy for cattle and worms than I feel for you yellow cunts. You cant speak english and it's the third language I got taught how about you? You speak anything else except filipino?
I can live with meat eaters, and take your well made point
yes but you were implying all cancer and heart attacks were because of meat
You mean except the unanimous articles and scientists that have proven it? It's a simple google away
Nyepong kontol gue anjiik! Cheebye!
And you implying all vegans have brain damage is what? Are you not seeing your double standard?
Hahaha fucking chink
Did they witness it? No isnt it. So it just a theory you faggot! Fyi I did my bachelor in pure science so please educate yourself before you educating people.
Do you think you'r in a safe space?
Maybe we can apply them on my Bacon Car
Im sure you are more educated than all other scientists, filipino pure science is like janitors in my country
See using stats properly is key. I didn't say 50% of people have brain damage (I'm making this number up) and implying the cause was veganism. Unlike you who implied all the heart attacks and cancer were from meat
Whats up Aussie! How many chinks have you molest this week?
Pfff you're funny af! Im Singaporean. Your racism was too deep! Please never missed your Sunday church.
I'll take my chance with heart disease rather than brain and nervous system damage
Vegans have lower vitamin B12 concentrations, but higher folate concentrations, than vegetarians and omnivores. Half of the vegans were categorised as vitamin B12 deficient and would be expected to have a higher risk of developing clinical symptoms related to vitamin B12 deficiency
FYI I'm getting pulled pork for dinner tonight
This thread need even more bacon. And love, and a pinch of sage
you left out the most important part:
vegans who do not consume sufficient quantities of foods fortified with vitamin B12 such as some breakfast cereals, plant-based milks, soy products and yeast extract, or regularly take a vitamin B12 supplement, will have an increased risk of developing vitamin B12 deficiency.
you think you know things but you don't. The only thing you have proven is that you can eat poorly on any diet. You are still a lot less likely to die eating vegan even if you DON'T take b12 or eat anything that has it in it.
For OP, one of these threads almost 2 years ago made me go vegan and I like to thank whoever that was for changing my life for the better. Trolls are funny though keep it up guys were countin' on you to bump the thread ;)
I tried and became really poorly really quickly. Doctors asked me if I changed anything in my diet recently and I told her about my veganism, she gave me a tenner and told me to go buy some meat.
Then, basically, your only chances to survive your own choice is thanks to foods and supplements that not even exist in nature.
Vegans are byproduct of the Industry, and a artificial one, by the way. Thanks to make everything clear ;)
Ching chong ling ling long!
Well said ignorance. Keep your stupidity for yourself and please dont spread it. Thank you very much.
You are still a lot less likely to die eating vegan even if you DON'T take b12 or eat anything that has it in it.
Id rather possible die from a heart attack then suffer from years of brain damage, losing my cognition and have irreversible damage done to my nervous system
Essential amino acids is a biological term. It means amino acids that you can only get through eating certain foods. Vegans tend to not get complete proteins because you have to know what foods have the essential amino acids they need and unfortunately they're not smart enough to figure this out as their brains have stopped functioning due to lack of nutrients and general retardation
it could be, but first you have to prove that spirits exist.
The only true spiritual path is through the Lord God and his son Jesus Christ.
No it's not. The only path you're on when being vegan is one of self righteousness and smug pretentiousness.
That old chestnut
You might need each other
old but good.
Whats up Aussie? How was your cangaroo's dick soup? Does it enough to make your brain cells connected?
Just had pork tenderloin with carrots and potatoes in crock pot yesterday. Top tier meal
I won't take your word for it...
Obvious answer is no.
For starters, veganism these days is generally used by people who feel incredibly self conscious about the harm they cause other living things to the point of absurdity. The mindset behind it is still completely created by the ego, which is what you should be attempting to avoid and get away from.
Secondly, there is nothing inherently spiritual about veganism. All you're doing is refusing to eat meat.
Additionally, it also helps very few animals, and isn't actually very healthy at all. The human body actually needs some proteins that only come from meat. It can run on plants only, but it won't work entirely the right way.
It was all going so well, then you ruined it.
(does that happen a lot to YOU)
I never made any claim that you need to take my word for. Can't prove that spirits exist therefor any thought process that starts with spirits as a base is inherently flawed.
It's a Question!
No such thing as obvious, try Subjective.
There you go, spirits again?
Spiritual path/meaning choices made with love......
Hope this is helpful to you.
the spooky kind not the fun kind.
What's with the spooky stuff.
follow the chain of comments, has veganism rotted your malnourished brain?
OP asked if veganism was the spiritual path, and I pointed out that it could be assuming that spirits existed at all. because you know, spirits have to exist in order for something to be spiritual.
CHRIST ALMIGHTY, What the fuck has ghosts got to do with anything.
I can't make those words any more simple user, good luck in life. You'll probably need it.
Kindness compassion empathy,
doesn't know what an apex predator is
If you're not vegan, it doesn't count, no more ghosts.
don't just slap words onto something and hope they will stick. Spiritual literally means relating to or affecting the human spirit or soul as opposed to material or physical things.
if you're not an omnivore than your words mean nothing. more ghosts please.
There dirivatives of love
you mean the chemical reaction in our brains we currently perceive as love? still has nothing to do with spoopy ghosts.
And what's love?
A spiritual path.
OMG, ghosts again....
Were you a farm animal in your previous life?
Ah! hold it right there, you'll need to prove reincarnation, and this analogy also relies on spirits being real so you'll have to prove that too.
You think you've got me don't you?
Try the word consciousness.....
Once you get vegans you'll automatically an atheist.
But vegetarian Indians are different cases cuz animals like cow and elephant are their god.
Are Andy Sixx's logs vegan?
And what's love?
You mean the fact that we can perceive the world around us proves that spirits exist? I don't think so. If you're talking about our ability to make decisions that's also a chemical reaction in our brains.
Isms are all belief traps
just wanted to clarify i wasn't attacking veganism, just the idea of spirituality in general. With a lot of effort and scientific know how veganism is sustainable, but that would automatically rule out these spiritualists.
You are trying, I'll give you that, chemical reactions Nah.
Mad because we know?
literally every action you take originates as a chemical reaction in your brain making you perceive things as good or bad. 1's and 0's. Its all happening so fast that you're given the illusion of free will.
believe me or not, you could google it too, but it doesn't change whats happening.