>watch Adam Ruins Everything on copyright
>treats Disney as evil for extending their ownership of Mickey Mouse, the character they created
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Am I just lacking morals, or does anyone else really see nothing wrong with what Disney did to extend copyright laws?
Yes, you're an idiot.
Disney made their money on adapting works that at the time of the adaption were the age of their own creations, which they then refuse to let people adapt.
>make money adapting other works
>make a law to stop people from doing the same
>I don't see a problem with this
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The point of copyright is to incentivise creative works, not to allow big companies an eternal income stream from popular things created decades ago.
(I don't watch Adam Ruins Everything)
>no one else makes animated films on Snow white, Cinderella etc
>Disney takes initiative to do so
>wants their hard work protected by copyright laws
>somehow this is bad
What is wrong about Disney making money off things they created? I don't understand why people think they are entitled to other people's production.
So you think Rudyard Kipling's estate should be allowed income from The Jungle Book, released "just" 70 years after the book?
>no one else makes animated films on Snow white, Cinderella etc
Apply yourself, you are better than this
How does anyone except Disney shareholders benefit from it?
And "they created"? All the people who created it are long dead, m8.
>they created
One guy created it, and he died. The corporate executives who work for Disney Corp now didn't create anything
Except Walt Disney is long dead and its just a bunch of stock owners and corporate assholes who want to see their profits grow.
Give Mickey Mouse to public domain and we can have Alien vs Mickey Mouse, Mickey meets Bugs Bunny and most importantly professionally animated Minnie Mouse porn.
Eh? Pretty sure fairy tales and fables are in the public domain
It's a crime desu. I'm 50% German and possibly related to the Grimm Brothers.
Disney owes me millions for Tangled, Sleeping Beauty and Cinderella. One day I will get my rightful money back.
I firmly believe effectively eternal copyright and ridiculously weak antitrust/competition/merger laws (largely due to Robert Bork) are two of the key things that have fucked capitalism in recent decades.
Why are you conflating the fairy tale stories with Mickey Mouse?
> why does regulation exist, it must be the jews
The intention of copyright, like patent, is to eventually release works back into the public domain, not to create a fucking fiefdom of IP
In this case I would agree with you. It's perhaps the most iconic cartoon character to have ever existed, recognized around the world and they did create it.
In most other cases it's important for copyright laws to expire
Not sure about American law, but copy rights end 50 to 70 (sometimes 100) years after death. So just because the movie came out 70 years after the book doesn't necessarily mean the copyright has expired
They're in the public domain, because copyrights at the time didn't extend back to when they were compiled or written
By current copyright laws, Disney would be in violation had they attempted to adapt the work of the Brother's Grimm or H.C. Andersen when they did.
Why wouldn't I?
They adapted works they didn't create and made money on them, while at the same time not allowing others to adapt their works.
It's hypocrisy, naked hypocrisy.
But user, those companies are innocent hard working businesses that only want to do the best they can but things like regulations and laws are holding them back. :(
OP here.
I think if a company goes defunct or a creators dies(and said creator leaves no company behind), then a character going into public domain makes sense. But in Disney's case, since they are still kicking, i dont feel they are obligated to give up ownership.
Rudyard Kipling died in 1936. Copyright expired in 1966. Disney's The Jungle Book came out in 1967.
so are you telling me i can't do my own snow white story?
even though that the grimm brothers wrote it in 1812?
Lifehack: Make your own Snow White story, but pitch it to Disney and demand compensation if they use it.
Make it live action. They're really forcing those now.
Actually apparently you can.
I think Disney owns the rights to their own specific telling of the story, but you can make your own adaption since the original story isn't TECHNICALLY copyrighted.
By current laws his copyright would've extended to 2006, you dipshit.
Yes you can.
However, by current copyright laws the first legal H.C. Andersen adoption would've been made in 1945, anything before that is illegal.
Anything written by Carlo Collodi, would've been illegal until 1960 (When was Pinocchio released?)
The first legal adaption of a Grimm brother's story would've been in 1906.
The first legal adaption of the Wind in the Willows would've been in 2002. (When did The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad come out?)
The first legal adaption of Alice In Wonderland would've been in 1968 (When Alice in Wonderland come out?)
I believe they paid for the rights to Peter Pan and 101 Dalmatians, but they didn'tfor
>By current copyright laws, Disney would be in violation had they attempted to adapt the work of the Brother's Grimm or H.C. Andersen when they did.
no they wouldn't because you can still change it just enough to get around the copyright or make it a parody. Nobody is stopping you from making cartoons about an animated mouse
yeah that's why we don't have 20 different version of snow white around oh wait we do
>Those glasses
>That suit
>That haircut
>That sickly, smug humor
so all i have to do is name it something like
"Snow white and the seven miners"?
Mickey Mouse enters public domain in seven years.
What crossovers can we expect when this happens?
I fucking hate libertarians.
remember when this faggot just used to be a lackey at nu-male college humor...
...
Miners of shekels?
Can they renew his copyright or something?
GOOD LUCK SNEAKING THAT BY DISNEY LAWYERS.
Parody is not adaption at any rate.
What if I want to create a loving adaption of a story that brought me joy?
Just as I'm sure they intended to do with Alice in Wonderland.
I'll just do the same thing, I'll take a work like say... Donald Duck and I'll present him a new medium, say maybe comics (Like they do in Europe), or a video game, and it'll be the story of the Three Caballeros but interactive.
No wait, that's illegal
That would be legal, and its done all the fucking time.
There's a studio that specialized in releasing shit at the same time as Disney with really shitty versions of the same story.
You just couldn't do anything with their original characters, or their versions of adapted characters.
>they created
Nope. They are dead.
No, but copyright laws will be extended.
Because who are the politicians who make those laws going to listen to, small time artists and idealistic lawyers, or one of the largest multinational companies in the world, large swaths of the entertainment industry outside of that company, and a fuckton of copyright lawyers?
GTFO Sup Forums then
Disney isn't a person.
Disney doesn't create SHIT.
Disney is a legal fiction that we've conjured up as a collective in order to facilitate certain transactions.
>who make those laws going to listen to, small time artists and idealistic lawyers, or one of the largest multinational companies in the world
If they were real artists they wouldn't need to copy someone else's work to get ahead
Aren't corporations legally considered people, to an extent?
Fucking this and a half.
US copyright law is fucked.
>If they were real artists they wouldn't need to copy someone else's work to get ahead
This, seriously.
I find it baffling that those who hate copyright laws argue that public domain promotes "creativity", when said "creativity" is just borrowing other people's characters/work.
>>watch Adam Ruins Everything
WHY
Sure, but only to help expediate those aforementioned transactions. It helps out, like when people sue a company and its holdings without targeting specific individuals that work for said company.
>expecting classcuck liberals to know any better than to praise their corporate overlords
Can't fault them. It's in their nature.
it's ok when Disney does it
There's a difference between building new material by iterating on previous works than outright plagerising something. All art now is derivative in some way.
Legally they have certain rights that people do, yes.
But they are still fictional entities.
They don't physically exist.
>TFW Tarantino, Disney himself, Picasso, Rembrandt, H.C. Andersen, Ilya Repin, Tchaikovsky, Rubens, Don Bluth etc. etc. etc. aren't real artists.
You have literally no idea what you're talking about.
Adaptation.
It's adaptation, you FUCKING MONGOLOID
who ruined patenting was the master troll Thomas Edison. Not only did he screw over multiple peoples legacies - his own legacy would spread to most business firms in the western hemisphere. Patent farming is a thing and your hopes and dreams can paid off for lump sums of cash.
A smaller window on copyright helps promote creativity because it forces artists to make new material. Pushing copyright dates further and further simply allow artists (and corporations) to just rest on an IP and reap residuals without needing to produce anything new.
Some people are too young to have watched Bullshit!
Well, creative content has also changed.
We didn't have cartoons and movies 100 years ago.
But it would be interesting if shit like LotR went public domain.
Bullshit was itself bullshit.
>GUYS SECOND HAND SMOKE IS FINE. THUS GUY WHO WORKS FOR A TOBACCO COMPANY SAYS SO.
>GUYS THE GOVERNMENT IS BULLSHIT. THIS GUY WHO WORKS FOR A LIBERTARIAN THINK TANK THINKS SO.
Everything sound stupid when you simplify like that. Besides, the point wasn't go have all the answers, just to get viewers to see things differently.
Because nobody at Disney today created the things they still make billions off of.
It's a fucking Empire, quite literally.
Their great great grandchildren need to eat too user, you're literally stealing the food from their mouths by asking such questions.
Corporations shouldn't be allowed to hold copyright.