Is this the most subversive kid's movie made in the past several decades? It's a complete and total repudiation of every single 'just follow your dreams and you can do anything!' that was the message of every single Disney movie that was being made at the time. The villain is a nerd who desperately wants to be super, but simply can't be, and so he is driven into evil out of sheer envy of people more accomplished than himself.
If Disney or Dreamworks got their hands on this, that red headed nerd would have been the hero and Mr. Incredible would have been the villain in a heartbeat.
Member when pixar kinos were predominantly white with niggers only as sidekick characters rather than being the focal point of the whole thing to please SJW's like today?
Grayson Wood
what are you talking about?I dont remember one black person in ratatoile,wall-e,inside out or Up
stop making shit up dude
Gabriel Carter
>I saw racism in children's cartoons because I'm a shrimpdick
Seek professional help.
Ryan Bailey
what the fuck are you talking about all of their movies are made of fucking animals and toys you retard
Logan Bell
I know this is an overused and often misunderstood term but wow the alt right has become a pathetic parody of itself.
Lucas Carter
By pixar i meant animated movies in general, you know like people are refering to superhero movies in general as capeshit
What? Nice projection, kill yourself
Kayden Parker
Oh wow, the dogpiling/SJW shitlib brigading is real.
+1 karma for you my dudes! Upvoted and shared on /r/leftypol. Fucking stormweenie alt-rightists amirite?
Nathan Sullivan
>The villain is a nerd who desperately wants to be super, but simply can't be, and so he is driven into evil out of sheer envy of people more accomplished than himself. The irony is his bitterness and pettiness lead to him becoming wealthy while Mr. Incredible is forced to live a fairly mediocre life in comparison.
Andrew King
Cry more you fucking autist. MUH IDENTITY POLITICS
Dylan Ross
they've said for years Brad Bird is an Objectivist (Ayn Randian).
Incredibles and Tomorrowland (minus the last 2 minutes) confirm this.
Luke Morgan
They say that about everybody that's not some left wing lunatic.
Caleb Parker
that ending wtf
Dylan Wood
>It's a complete and total repudiation of every single 'just follow your dreams and you can do anything!'
Jayden Nguyen
>releases ratatouille 2 years after
Owen Bennett
Inside out was better
Mason Russell
This
Wyatt Baker
>everything I don't like is alt-right!
Elijah Clark
Was just going to say that. Ratatouille is fucking weird. I remember when it first came out it was praised up the fucking ass. Had a 97 on metacritic, all sorts of goddamn praise. I saw it recently and it was just silly. A silly okay movie, deserving nothing of the pedestal it was put on.
Inside Out surprised me. That was some good shit there. The toy disappearing into the void of the girl's mind is an extremely moving moment.
Andrew Butler
No. The most subversive kids movie in the past several decades was Finding Dory because everybody expected it to be amazing like Finding Nemo, except it was actually a bag of shit.
Lincoln Brooks
This.
Riley is a qt3.14
Bentley Parker
Lol I laughed way too hard at this
Liam Murphy
Finding Dory was good, just not as good. I loved the octopus and when Dory finally finds her parents.
Aiden Parker
But you could argue that Mr Incredible's mediocre life is more fulfilling. He has a wife and kids who love him, he just didn't fully appreciate that until Syndrome imprisoned him, murdered all of his friends, and tortured him with electric shock for hours on end.
Brandon Sanders
Is it also a coincidence that it's the best Pixar kino?
Carter Mitchell
It's too bad they don't make kid's movies with strange themes anymore
The Neverending Story is about how escapism saves the day
Isaiah Williams
>he just didn't fully appreciate that until Syndrome imprisoned him, murdered all of his friends, and tortured him with electric shock for hours on end
This was pretty dark for a kid's movie, looking back on it. Like literally every person who was at his wedding in the prologue got murdered.
>tfw you find porn of Riley from inside out where all her emotions watch her getting fucked
Adam Wilson
>tfw a Pixar movie had higher stakes and more death than any Marvel movie
Josiah Baker
Is it cute or is it rapey? If the former, sauce pls.
Carter Butler
Didn't you see the ending of the movie? They explain what "anyone can cook" actually means in the last 60 seconds
Gabriel Allen
Ya it surprised me too. i loved it. Pretty complex for a kids movie
Jace Thompson
>brigading
please fuck off to your safe space on reddit you boring piece of shit.
Camden Allen
The story line has many allusions to Ayn Rand in addition to agreeing with her philosophy. One of the most glaring examples is how Mirage is drawn to look almost exactly like how Dominique is described to look in the Fountainhead.
Chase Fisher
y'all realise that the incredibles is just Ayn Rand for kiddies right
mr incredible literally does the atlas shrugged pose at one point
Michael Powell
Should I watch inside out or is it kiddy?
Benjamin Ortiz
Also consider that he genuinely thought his wife and kids had been killed in the missile explosion.
Make that film now and it'd get slapped with a PG-13.
Charles Torres
C-can I see it?
Ian Watson
Saying The Incredibles is objectivist betrays a poor understanding of how truly lunatic objectivism is.
For instance, there's room for emotion and altruism in Mr. Incredible's world view. Also he got married in a church.
William James
I don't think anyone's saying it's a Rand fantasy. Just that it's a bit more on the side of being the best you can be and letting nobody hold you down.
Wyatt Taylor
The alt-right are SJW's. They want films to be made by SJW's who agree with them.
Christian Harris
Why do people say this and then don't point out substantial evidence from the film?
Joseph Price
Then why did the character whose main goal was being better than everyone was defeated, and the characters whose main goal was helping other people win?
Parker Wilson
Maybe youre right. There is definite overlap with Rand's more palatable ideas, anyway
Lucas Mitchell
>Then why did the character whose main goal was being better than everyone That wasn't Syndrome's goal. Syndrome's goal was the opposite of that.
Jackson Rogers
Hurr durr alt right
Hueueueuue muh fake news
B-b-better get to that safe space
Camden Johnson
When she cries at the end :(
Henry Richardson
>Kids movie >Has a sub plot about cheating on his wife
Wew
Dylan Murphy
The thing is, it really WAS the message of every single mass produced kid's movie in existence back then. 'You're special just because you're you' and 'All you have to do is believe and it will happen' are messages that prime kids to have inflated egos without doing anything to earn them.
Saying 'Hey, maybe you just need to accept that some people are better than you at something and not be a bitter piece of shit about it' is world's different than railing against a social safety net like what Ayn Rand was doing.
David Carter
It's pure kino.
Ryder Rogers
Ratatouille was dope af nigger. The atmosphere, the music, the concept tge excecution. It had a lot of heart
Gabriel Adams
He could have easily used his technology for good and been a completely competent superhero if he wanted though so that isn't true.
Blake Jenkins
One wonders why he had to kill or threaten anyone if his goal was to help people.
If Syndrome honestly wanted to make everyone super, he could have been doing it for decades by the time the events of the film began. He decided to murder people instead.
Luke Martinez
An out of place subplot that ran contrary to the tone of the movie
Oliver James
It's a kids movie but there are complex themes kids won't understand that adults can appreciate. The characters are all cute and funny, but it does hit home on many aspects of growing up. For what it's worth I highly recommend, and I'm not a big Disney guy.
Lucas Parker
ok, it's not atlas shrugged, but it's got a lot of themes that clearly originate in objectivism. I'd say tomorrowland is a more obvious example though. It's literally about a special place where all the special people go to be unfettered by the norms. ie john galt's little love island.
>when everyone's special ... no-one will be >people keep finding ways to celebrate mediocrity >syndrome a literal personification of angry jealousy over natural talent >getting sued by mediocre people out of jealously / indignation is an important plot device >pic related
Jacob Barnes
this Ratatouille was splendid. man, Pixar had quite the streak in the 00s. They were fucking unstoppable
Anthony Parker
Wanted to be the dad man.
>tfw ywn hug Riley when she's sad and tell her it'll all be ok
Why live.
Isaiah Johnson
>One wonders why he had to kill or threaten anyone if his goal was to help people. His goal wasn't to help people. Well, it was, sort of, but only incidentally so he could prove the supremacy of his worldview. He would have elevated the whole of the human race but not for altruistic reasons. He's actually a really interesting character in that sense.
Austin Wilson
It was an advertising campaign, the man didn't want to make people super for free.
Oliver Jones
Kids flick disguised as kínography
Owen Thomas
He wantes to sell his inventions on the free market and allow anyone who can pay have access to them. How is that bad? If anything its Trumpian
Thomas Garcia
Yes. With him in charge.
Ah. So he /was/ a villain.
James Edwards
Damn it I got it backwards. Sorry guys. Inside out is pure kino disguised as a kids flick
Evan Stewart
More like kinography disguised as kids flick.
Charles Perry
Trump literally campaigned on reinstating tariffs and exiting free trade deals.
Ayden Richardson
he was killed by the vanity of the cape, dumb dumb
Adam Morgan
>Yes. With him in charge. Does Syndrome mention world domination, even once? I guess sort of, in the same way Henry Ford was 'in charge' of cars.
Jaxon Mitchell
That just sounds like capitalism wtf does that have to do with Trump?
Charles Ortiz
>Ah. So he /was/ a villain. What the fuck? I mean he was, but not because he was going to charge to make people super. Jesus.
Cooper Lopez
Inside out made me want to kill myself
Jace Miller
>a fake political movment that exists only in parody form is now parodying itself wew
Benjamin Hill
>when everyone's special ... no-one will be
The line is "and when everyone's super...no one will be."
>syndrome a literal personification of angry jealousy over natural talent
What does Ayn Rand say about this? I've never read her works and have no clue what objectivism is about. Syndrome became wildly more successful than Mr. Incredible ever was monetarily, and could actually defeat Mr. Incredible. He wants to sell his machines to everyone so everyone can be super, but that means those people didn't work as hard for Syndrome for those products, they just bought the ability to be super.
>getting sued by mediocre people out of jealously / indignation is an important plot device
But what does that mean? That mediocre people cannot stomach someone better than them?
>pic related
Oh please.
Caleb Jackson
He didn't care if everybody was super. He didn't want to help people. He just wanted to prove to Mr. Incredible that he wasn't anything special. He wanted to show him that willpower will always trump ability, no matter the circumstances. With the sheer will of vengeance against the superheroes that he idolized and yet shunned him, he destroyed all of them, saving the one who wronged him the most for last. The robot was the representation of that willpower, growing stronger with each incarnation. His goal was to show that strength is just a matter of resources, not character. Where the superheroes had their God-given resources of superhuman abilities, Syndrome built his own resources. More than any of them, he earned them, and when the robot attacked the city, the hubris that came with that sense of achievement came crashing down on him. It's actually a pretty depressing ending when you think about it: barring all the bad things he'd done, Syndrome just wanted to show he could be a hero if he worked hard enough at it, and in the end it just wasn't good enough because the power he had created was stronger than himself.
Jaxson Roberts
>trumpian
trump's ideas aren't nearly consistent enough to be considered an ideology.
Easton Rogers
>He wants to sell his machines to everyone so everyone can be super, but that means those people didn't work as hard for Syndrome for those products Well, they worked hard for other things and they traded the surplus value of what they created for what Syndrome worked hard to create.
Elijah Barnes
It was okay, man. Just okay. A rat becomes a chef by controlling a mediocre chef's hair. That's as far as it went, and it was completely underwhelming in the wake of such a film as The Incredibles.
Gabriel Roberts
>Yes. With him in charge.
I didn't get that sense at all. His goal was to be *the* super hero, the only one, basically saving people and receiving praise for fun. Then, once he settled down, he would sell his technology.
"I'll be a bigger hero than you ever were. Then when I'm old and I've had my fun, I'll sell my inventions so that everybody can be super."
Mason Bailey
It hurts my heart that me and Riley will never play a game of hockey on a cold winter day
Carter Brooks
>If Disney or Dreamworks got their hands on this user, it is a Disney Pixar film..
Charles Flores
But what does it MEAAAAN? You can't just throw Ayn Rand and objectivism around like they were catch-all terms.
Carter Gonzalez
Maybe you should.
Grayson Phillips
The Incredibles was released before Disney purchased Pixar.
Zachary White
>at means those people didn't work as hard for Syndrome for those products, they just bought the ability to be super. Well it's not like the regular heroes worked for it either it's just something they're born with.
Adam Lee
>He wanted to show him that willpower will always trump ability, no matter the circumstances. >With the sheer will of vengeance against the superheroes that he idolized and yet shunned him, he destroyed all of them, saving the one who wronged him the most for last.
But Syndrome was never an ordinary guy. He was a genius. He built rocket boots when he was 12 years old.
Robert Richardson
>alt right h bye rddit
Tyler Taylor
Lmao every single time these pathetic objectivist shills. Do you realize how you sound? >Lol objectivism is so retarded everyone can see that >Thinks that every other movie is made with objectivist themes in mind I don't normally say this but holy fucking shit you guys project out the ass. Also do you understand the irony that a philosophy of self-accountibilty has its most vocal dissenters be a group of useless, lazy, youths? I Ann Rand literally called you all out for this shit and you still come and prove her point lmao
Brody Rodriguez
I guess he doesn't. But like user says, he's not going to give anything away, so he's still going to be the person in charge of who has powers.
Then killing many people to test his inventions does not make him a villain to you? Debuting his technology with a false flag attack on civilians does not make him a villain to you? Selling it rather than giving it to people doesn't strike you as less than generous, given that he was able to develop it without selling it?
Kevin Jones
What? I wasn't talking about Ayn Rand, I was just pointing out that it doesn't make sense that the people who would have become super wouldn't have worked as hard as Syndrome for it. They might well have, just in more indirect ways.
Christopher Gutierrez
A villainous genius.
Brandon Miller
>I've never read her works and have no clue what objectivism is about.
are you seriously arguing with me over something that you openly admit you know nothing about?
rand's philosophy can be boiled down to the idea of "virtue in selfishness." she fundamentally thought that government and statism enforced mediocrity and brought the excelling members of society down to a lower level, slowing or even reversing progress.
angry jealous mediocre people feature pretty heavily as a villain. in Atlas Shrugged a banker gets sued by all the people he's turned down for loans because they weren't good enough and basically gets forced out of business because of it. the lawsuits against superheroes early on in The Incredibles have a similar theme to them.
please just go and wikipedia it, I'm not up for explaining everything.
Gavin Parker
>the power he had created was stronger than himself That was karma for killing people. Willpower is strong but justice is stronger.
Ayden Rogers
>Then killing many people to test his inventions does not make him a villain to you? Debuting his technology with a false flag attack on civilians does not make him a villain to you? Yes it does, that's why I said he was a villain, but not because he wasn't giving away his shit for free. >Selling it rather than giving it to people doesn't strike you as less than generous, given that he was able to develop it without selling it? Not being 'generous' enough to give away shit you've worked hard to create doesn't make you a villain.
Jeremiah Lopez
Of course. He murdered innocent people to prove a point. I'm just saying that the idea that he was out to prove that willpower trumps ability is ridiculous. He was already exceptional, in fact he was arguably superhuman.
Noah Roberts
user literally said:
>Member when pixar kinos were predominantly white with niggers only as sidekick characters rather than being the focal point of the whole thing to please SJW's like today? >muh sjw boogeyman >muh conservative identity politics >nigger!!!! Im not racist!!!
Jaxon Campbell
>are you seriously arguing with me over something that you openly admit you know nothing about?
No. From the very beginning I presented an inquiry: Why do people say this and then don't point out substantial evidence from the film?
To which you gave a less than satisfactory response.
> she fundamentally thought that government and statism enforced mediocrity and brought the excelling members of society down to a lower level, slowing or even reversing progress.
> angry jealous mediocre people feature pretty heavily as a villain. in Atlas Shrugged a banker gets sued by all the people he's turned down for loans because they weren't good enough and basically gets forced out of business because of it. the lawsuits against superheroes early on in The Incredibles have a similar theme to them.
This is better. And I can see these shades in The Incredibles. Thank you.