Would you move to San Junipero?

Would you move to San Junipero?

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m8 i searched google maps and it's not even real

no i would not move to nowhere

But we're on a road to nowhere.

Come on inside.

It's not clear if San Junipero is a government or commercial service, or what rights the inhabitants have compared to a living person.

Various cryopreservation storages have gone bankrupt and the corpses thawed out, if SJ is a commercial service the simulation might end up shut down.

>girlfriend in a coma
>girlfriend in a coma starts playing

good song but i don't like songs where the singer spergs out

it reminds me too much of how i used to act in nightclubs when i was wasted on the dancefloor. makes me cringe

>i don't like songs where the singer spergs out

And that is why you will always be a pleb.

>living for an eternity in the static 80's
Fuck no.

Is there a version that makes me feel like I'm constantly cumming?
And since this is all digital, it wont be addictive, and no withdrawl.

Did you even watch this episode?

>tfw all the "real" dead people in SJ are themselves just simulations because living conscience cannot simply be downloaded into a computer after the biological spaceship built around it dies off

Nah, what movie?

Didn't they say people get so depressed from living forever that they go into degenerate fetish nightclubs just so they can feel something different?

>tfw taxpayers probably have to float this cemetery of simulations just so the actually living old people can cum in their nightgowns and fat guys can clean up their spunk in the morning

>static 80s

nigga ???

What year would you guys live in?
I'd live in the 1840s. Probably have some great parties

This is why there's no dilemma for me. Sure I'll let my little digital clone go to an afterlife, why not? I'm dying either way. Only problem is that I don't want to die early, it seems like the law requires you to die simultaneously with the upload.

>literally just a fucking nightclub, some weird BDSM club, and a beach
>forever

I'd get bored of it in a month.

i like them it just makes me cringe just thinking about how i'd sing along to the who at the top of my voice on the dancefloor
>why don't you all... f-f-f-FUCK OFF!!!

jim morrison going nuts singing the end is fantastic though.

yet you're on Sup Forums

DUDE

FAGGOTS ARE NORMAL PEOPLE JUST LIKE YOU AND ME

LMAO

maybe 80year old virgins born in the early 20th century 40 year-long coma patients thrown into the 1970-90s are just my soulmate

>uploading your consciousness into anything
>in BLACK FUCKING MIRROR
If san junipero got another episode it would have ended with them trapped in an edgy hellscape.

you mean like White Christmas where you upload your consciousness into an edgy hellscape?

>no internet
That's a dealbreaker for me.

What's the situation? I don't know what show we're talking about here. Live the same year over and over? 2016, baby. Make bank predicting Leicester City, Brexit, The Cubs, Trump... What else?

San Junipero is basically an eternal digital paradise, you can choose to live in whatever decade you want. Old or terminally ill people can visit for a little bit every week but it's populated mostly by people who are dead IRL. Episode doesn't expand on what might happen to those who die unexpectedly.

To be fair, the "weird BDSM club" was larger than every other location shown combined.

This was probably the most depressing episode. Most upbeat soundtrack to a euthanasia scene ever.

It's tempting to say the 60s.
>all that live music
>all that free sex
>all those experimental drugs
>england winning the world cup

DUDE THIS POOR OLD LESBIAN HAD TO SUFFER SINCE HER 20s WHEN SHE RAN AWAY FROM HER RELIGIOUS PARENTS (boo) AND GOT IN AN ACCIDENT
(wtf??? I hate religion now)

THEY NEVER EVEN VISITED LMAO

I am now a tumblr missile

>implying we aren't inside it already

You're still living with other people who are uploaded. It's only the environment that's set for you. All the decades will probably be engaging in free sex and experimental drug use because they're living lives of eternal hedonism.

>Episode doesn't expand on what might happen to those who die unexpectedly.
Literally what. That's half the fucking episode.

I would if there was a massive library with all books ever written and a movie rental store with the same resource.

Imagine all the time in the world to read every great book and watch every great film. That is the world I would want to live in.

No, because I'm not a fucking redditor.

>when they act like the simulation on the company server is a continuation of a person's consciousness

Nah the human still dies, they are done. Then some server starts a new simulation with all their memories up to that point.

Might as well pick this decade then. The further back you go the more you limit the art available to you.

I'm gonna watch the episode, it sounds interesting.

fpbp

Coming inside is what makes this a difficult question

>ignoring our intersectional differences
and that's why you'll always listen to fedora

>future pedo
or
>current pedo, future cat fucker
>>but it's just nature bro! biology n shit

Yes, but fuck uploading my consciousness. Why would I care about some copy of me living on when I'm actually dead?

>no internet
>dealbreaker
nigger, that's a feature.

I was thinking Reformation era west, but I'm not as much a student of history as I should be

The only reason people made art is because they thought they couldn't have sex because it made god angry.

And now I've just validated every claim by any retard who's used the term "degeneracy" as a pejorative. Fucking go me.

>>literally just a fucking nightclub, some weird BDSM club, and a beach
>>forever
>I'd get bored of it in a month.

It's probably an entire town, and surrounding environs. They have roads for a reason.

>needing/wanting internet when you can go out and do literally anything at no risk or cost

... I really fear for the current generation.

>you can go out and do literally anything at no risk or cost
I didn't know that, I haven't seen the episode. And I'm 35, don't lump me in with the social media generation.

that kid died before it was a thing

you wouldnt want your little digital (You) to live an eternity of bliss? what do you lose?

What do I have to gain?

What do you have to lose?

Playing devil's advocate here:

What if there is a purpose for the human soul beyond hedonism? What if there is suffering after death, but it is necessary for spiritual advancement and this digital intervention hinders that advancement indefinitely?

No.

>but it is necessary for spiritual advancement and this digital intervention hinders that advancement indefinitely?


These are my thoughts too, I am against "living" forever physically.

Your soul wouldn't be trapped in the simulation, unless God's an idiot. Otherwise everyone could avoid hell.

what happens if i die there or start killing everyone?

You can't die or kill. Presumably there's still a suicide option though.

What happens if I sneak in there an just rub magnets against the servers.

What happens if someone detonates an EMP?


You're still as mortal as you were before desu.

> What if there is suffering after death, but it is necessary for spiritual advancement and this digital intervention hinders that advancement indefinitely?

there is absoutely no way of proving that one way or the other, or that there's anything past death whatsoever, and all evidence points to the contrary: that everything that makes you you resides in that squishy ball of fat and neurons in your skull, and once that loses its viability you cease to exist.

>if i die
Reload from your last save.
>start killing everyone
Wanted level goes up

I'm guessing.

>and all evidence points to the contrary

source.

I think he just worded it backwards. There's no evidence currently that there's anything past death, that's different from there being evidence there is nothing past death.

You can damage/alter/remove parts of the aformentioned ball of fat and neurons and your personality changes dramatically (see: phineas gage, everyone who's ever had a lobotomy, anyone who's ever suffered a degenerative nervous disorder).

Your consciousness is just defined as your current stimulus and the memories you have that brings context to that stimulus.Change either of those and YOU change.

>You can damage/alter/remove parts of the aformentioned ball of fat and neurons and your personality changes dramatically (see: phineas gage, everyone who's ever had a lobotomy, anyone who's ever suffered a degenerative nervous disorder).


So? faulty hardware doesn't mean software doesn't exist.

If you lose your PC to breaking parts, you can still retain the data by uploading/backing it up to the cloud or external source.

But time there is different. They spend 5 hours, which is weeks or months there, to test it out. So even if it got shut down after 10 years, that's at least another lifetime of some kind of existence for these people. And it seems life there is pretty good. You get a place to live, you don't have to eat or drink but you can. Probably don't have to go to the bathroom. No aging or disease. That seems like a better thing than dying immediately.

not him but the PC isn't conscious. You're copying those files to the cloud, you aren't transferring the literal contents. Consciousness is a subjective experience, it's also an emergent property. Consider a copied file. The original file still exists. The original file does not have the perspective, i.e. "consciousness", the new file has.

If I make a clone of you, you aren't going to suddenly start being conscious through that clone, and the clone won't experience your conscious perspective. Each instance of consciousness is unique. The original consciousness does not go along for the ride.

Unless we can keep the hardware running eternally, then our instance of consciousness is fated to end, even if you can create copies of it, there's nothing you can do to make sure the original stays running.

Not the person you're replying to. What you say is true. But if your concern is immortality, making an exact copy of your current self that will live "forever" is a good step. Sure, your exact you won't continue. But there will be a current aged you out there that can continue to learn and experience things. Your kids can talk to it and learn about the real you from the real you. That should be comforting.

Software itself isn't a physical thing, it's a state of a seperate physical thing. Your collection of cuck porn is a series of magnetic switches flipped back and forth on a ceramic disc that spins really fast.

>you can still retain the data by uploading/backing it up to the cloud or external source.

By doing that you're only making a copy of the original state elsewhere, and then what happens to the copy is completely separate from what happens to the original. nothing is moving, you're just telling a storage device off in some colocation to change the state of some of the switches in a block of storage.

>tfw I'm going to die someday

/x/ here, hold on to your ass:
reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm
>Thousands of cases of children who spontaneously (without hypnosis) remember a past life.

>Dr. Stevenson methodically documents the child's statements of a previous life. Then he identifies the deceased person the child remembers being, and verifies the facts of the deceased person's life that match the child's memory. He even matches birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records. His strict methods systematically rule out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories.

>Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world. He has over 3000 cases in his files. Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation.

iisis.net/index.php?page=semkiw-ian-stevenson-monsour-reincarnation-past-lives

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Cultures that have never had contact with each other not only take reincarnation for granted, but their beliefs have many commonalities. From the Inuits to the Cathars, Hindus and Buddhists, and documented in many esoteric writings of spiritual knowledge, both ancient and modern, is the conclusion that our consciousness is reborn many times.

Science has revealed that we have many dreams every night. We forget them almost immediately, even forgetting the dream happened. Memories of past lives fade in an equally elusive way.

>/x/ here

Oh yeah for that reason I wouldn't have a problem doing it. It's just my copy would "wake up" knowing that my previous self is dead (if for some reason the upload requires I die simultaneously).

But then my copy would get to chill out for eternity which is pretty cool. It's like making sure to do right by your kids and setting them up for a good life.

Who the fuck would want to live in a shitty california town for the rest of eternity?

Why can't there be exciting after lives?
Where is the scifi one? Or the fantasy one?

>if your concern is immortality, making an exact copy of your current self that will live "forever" is a good step.

>if your concern is immortality, [dying while a copy of you who thinks its you, but isn't you] is a good step.

... If I wanted that weak ass brand of immortality, I'd just go get a girl pregnant.

it would just be a copy of you living in there, you would be dead.

they are just implanting a cookie into san junipero, that copy will live out it's life virtually thinking that it used to be you

>It's like making sure to do right by your kids and setting them up for a good life.

You don't need a shitty surrogate copy to do that.


>That should be comforting.

How is any of that comforting? Your time came and went, you're occupying someone else's space and time to experience life. Move on.

>children make up stories and man starting study with conclusion believes every word and uses this as proof of his conclusion/beliefs.

... just stay on /x/

>Sup Forums ripping on literally any other board

>You don't need a shitty surrogate copy to do that.
It was meant to illustrate that there's more than selfish desire user. A form of you would be around for your kids too as said.

And in a digital realm you'd not be taking up anybody's space and time.

/x/ isn't a board, its a Sup Forums.

>wanting a form of you to be around for your kids

well that doesn't sound narcissistic at all!

my kids asked me to do that, it's their Christmas wish

I have to tell them Santa is an asshole who refuses to unleash the singularity

>It was meant to illustrate that there's more than selfish desire user. A form of you would be around for your kids too


If you raised them well they wouldn't need you.

Were you a mod?

Okay fine whatever, then I'd still be there for my friends and family to talk to. It'd be like an upgraded graveside chat.

>Many people, including skeptics and scholars, agree that these cases offer the best evidence yet for reincarnation
Don't pretend you know all about Dr. Stevenson's methodology. I bet you never heard of him until 10 minutes ago, yet you're assuming you know more about his work than skeptics and scholars who have actually studied his research. And everything you claim, you arrived at by starting with a conclusion and filling in the blanks as best you can to fit your pre-existing belief.

The same thing you baselessly accused Dr. Stevenson of doing.

No, I just went to nightclubs in the 90s and 00s that played a lot of retro rock'n'roll music.

Dude based "proof" of a metaphysical concept around "kids say the darndest things."

Even quacks look at him and scoff.

>die
>uploaded to san junipero
>do all the fun things like partying and shit
>get bored after about a couple days
>get really really really bored
>try to commit Sudoku
>cant die
>stuck forever

yeah no

Sup Forums is much more like Sup Forums than /x/ is.
>constant flood of repetitive memes
>pics of underage girls
>political derailment everywhere
>edgy language for the sake of being offensive
>unattended threads quickly 404

>guy has lived the vast majority of his adult life relying on confirmation bias as his livelihood, talking to people who likely believe in past lives about how past lives are a thing

>"Many people, including skeptics and scholars" - weasel words, means dick for shit

>argumentum ad populum - LOADS of cultures believe that illnesses are caused by evil spirits, but that doesn't make it true

>memories of past lives are exceptionally rare despite the astronomical amount of people around that would have them, unless you consider that there are new souls being manufactured, and then you have to explain how THAT works, though you've already gone long past just pulling shit right out of your ass at that point

pretty sure they let people Sudoku if they want to.

Besides what do you mean get bored after a few days? Are you suicidally bored now? You'd probably be able to shitpost in the afterlife as well. Heck, you could probably interact on the real internet as well, this very same Sup Forums.

>"kids say the darndest things."
>which they couldn't have known via their material senses yet have been confirmed to be accurate
And he never said "proof."

Be honest, how much have you read on this subject?

I see you've only arrived on Sup Forums very recently.

/x/ was the first board Sup Forums took over, since the board is literally based around nothing but absolute bullshit it was never able to shake off the invasion.

whereas Sup Forums has been holding ground for as long as its existed because of the steady supply of things to actually talk about.

Also the actions of a small number of dedicated autistic people is not representative of a board.

>they let people Sudoku if they wanted to

but you can't die if you in san junipero. unless you mean they take them out of the system or whatever

san junipero sounds more like a city than a entire world. you'd get bored after awhile.
keep in mind youre there forever.

>die
>uploaded to san junipero
>do all the fun things like partying and shit
>get bored after about a couple days
>get really really really bored
>say fuck it I'm going to learn how to do [Insert thing you always wanted to do but never had the balls/time/motivation]
>you have forever to learn how to do anything you feel like learning to do

That always got on my tits. "What would you do with eternity?" Whatever the fuck I wanted to, for as long as it took me to figure out how to do it.

Exactly as much as you've posted, in recent memory. Sounds familiar and pretty sure I had the same reaction, though.

Its just a classic example of way, way over analyzing "data" through a preconceived notion one is seeking to validate and just about zero knowledge of the source of said data (child psychology).

Just like every other bit of evidence for anything remotely metaphysical.

Hm, judgin' by the size of the whole server San Junipero is probably like just one fraction of it, and those inside the simulation can go to other places much like we have MMOs now. It would feel like living in the whole world, but with multiple, infinite worlds. And it probably has goverment funding because it will probably not be shut down.

If it wasn't like that, San Junipero would probably be an mayhen filled with even more insane folks, much, much worse. There's so much you can do on a beach town before getting bored.

There is more than just San Junipero, i'm sure, and people probably travel through these different cities/worlds. I would live on heaven on earth.

>relying on confirmation bias as his livelihood
You think a qualified doctor and professor gets ahead by contradicting western material science?

>weasel words
So you're saying you know better than those who've studied Stevenson's work?

>LOADS of cultures
Who believe not only in reincarnation but also specific details such as announcing dreams, birthmarks reflecting cause of death etc. These cultures all came to these conclusions independently of each other.

>memories of past lives are exceptionally rare
As are memories of dreams days after they occurred.

>and then you have to explain how THAT works
Nope, just have to show that there is a phenomenon at work that can't be explained by our current scientific model of the universe. Then we have to begin formulating theories, something Stevenson has been very reluctant to do. Reincarnation is the very last possibility he suggests, even going as far as to suggest psychic phenomena between deceased and "reincarnated" child before looking at reincarnation as a theory.

You talk about 40 years of rigorous scientific study as "pulling shit right out of his ass," but you're very quick to make all kinds of assumptions about his work, based on... What? The fact that you know everything on a subject without having to read or think about it?

Very scientific.