It was Kino

>It was Kino

How did they do it?

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James Mangold and his crew were allowed complete creative control. It was their vision and not the studio's.

>kino
>capeshit
it was good, not kino

Because most of the capeshit elements were removed and it didnt retract from the story.

By not making it capeshit x-men

Because Logan was allowed to do Logan things completely uncensored.
>Movie opens with him slicing up Mexicans

>capeshit
did you even watch it?

By lowering our standards for over a decade.

>By lowering our standards for over a decade.

There's this to consider, but I honestly was impressed (for the most part) by the movie. It's not a film, to be sure, but it's the closet thing to a film that the marvel movies will ever get.

While the movie has several "marvel" moments to it, they're kept to an appropriate minimum.

You have actual themes to the movie, and actual development for Logan over the course of the movie.

Ironically, Logan is probably more hampered by its capeshit association than anything else. If this was an independently made movie, people would be praising it.

Age rating helped a lot. So fucking good actually seeing his claws shred people apart.
Acting was great
Story was ok
Kids at the end were shit

Made me happy and sad that it's Jackman's last ever Wolverine movie.

R-rating allowed a more mature and complicated story that could be understood by adults and they didn't need to pander to kids whose attention will disappear when there's more than 10 seconds of serious dialogue

Director said this

Wath was the deal with the metal hand guy? Was he a mutant? He survived Caliban's grenades right?

He was a huge fan

So tell me user, what was your favorite part of the movie? Don't answer wrong.

Laura getting speared

I finally got around to watching it 2 nights ago. Waited till it was out so there wouldn't be many people in the theater. And then it happened..

This fat black chick came and and sat down in front. Followed several minutes later by a black man that clearly waited in line for 2 cups of water.

He immediately declared some sentences that I didn't make sense to me... "they's sayin it's some movie about logan they didn't know it was about some white dude they says it wsa about logan"

This nigger talks throughout the whole movie. Any non-action dialog he is talking. I heard his whale companion "shhhh" him over 20 fucking times.

Any time they show the x-men comic book he goes, "WWHHAAAAOOOOO"

Near the climax he even made loud fart noises and talks louder.

He boos the movie for a minute before leaving.

This movie has turned me racist.

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Both fights against X-24, those were brutal af

dat logan clone reveal when they walk past eachother Tbh
also dat laura pushing the cross to make an X

Watched it earlier this evening, probably one of the absolute best superhero movies ever made, hands down.

Good answers

I'm worn out by all the capeshit the last few years but this was easily better than anything marvel or dc have churned out

It will be hilarious when the first super hero movie to win a real Oscar (sorry dc cucks make up doesnt count) will be a movie by fox and not marvel or dc

My only problem was that it didn't really fit that well with the other X-Men movies in my opinion, and the whole "Wolverine is poisoned" was stupid. But overall I enjoyed it and it is one of my favorite super hero movie beside the dark knight.

And it's not that pedo twink fucker Bryan Singer! Could it get any better?

>How did they do it?
They had a practice run with "the wolverine"
that was directed by James Mangold too and the plot is almost the exact same minus xavier

>How did they do it?
Jackman's literally perfect portrayal of old man Logan IMO. Plus not pandering to kids, this is clearly aimed at older viewers who still have a soft spot for comics and x-men.

8/10 movie but for god's sake does Marvel have any good villains at all?

Hugh Jackman woke up one night and rang up the director 2 years ago and told him he had an amazing idea for a movie.

True story.

Best actor and best supporting would be nice but Stuart isnt going to be submitted i remember reading.

Only good villains are venom and carnage. Everyone else sucks.

It was a decisive wrap up of the X-Men universe, I think. Fox will probably want to do X-Force or something next with the kids grown up.

I actually think it was a realistic superhero movie done right. Bless Nolan and Snyder, but there's something so po-faced about their movies, they try to ground themselves instead of playing it straight, where the fundamentally fantastic element is at odds with the seriousness. But in Logan, there's just a right balance, because it's a superhero story of imperfection with powers and genetic clones done seriously, instead of a serious story that happens to have people in fantastic suits.

>Sup Forums is made up of nazis
>they're all attracted to the Mexican kid
Makes me ponder

Lies, actually, it's based off the comic Old Man Logan.

Most the problems I have with it are mainly some nitpicks. But like I said overall I love this movie.

>Mysterio
>Green Gobin
>Doc Ock
>Scorpio
>The Lizard
All Spiderman villains are brilliant

>The Vulture

this
>lmao clone
>lmao evil scientist remember my father??!! xDD

loved the movie but fuck

hey was there an after credits scene?

It's based off the movie Unforgiven and loosely based off Old Man Logan.

Watch this interview:
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I personally never read into them that much so I just been judging them mainly by their appearance, and they all look lame. I'm sure if I read a Spider-Man comic I was appreciate them more as villains.

Mangold has always been an underappreciated filmmaker. Not super talented, and obviously uneven, but what I always loved about him is he's one of those old-fashioned craftsmen with a serious classicist approach to filmmaking, his films are always beautifully made, framed, edited, focused on sincere emotions or simple spectacle. It has a lot to do with his deep love of westerns and the influence of the amazing Mackendrick as his mentor in film school. Copland is an excellent neo-western.

The opposite of the cinematically illiterate and degenerate Marvelslave who cannot compose a frame because he comes from TV sitcoms, cannot let an emotion unfold because he is plagued by ADHD and meta-irony, etc

>Mangold was accepted into and later attended the California Institute of the Arts film/video program.[2] (other notable alumni: Brad Bird, John Lasseter, Tim Burton)

>While there, he mentored under Alexander Mackendrick (Sweet Smell of Success).

>I met Mackendrick when I was 17. I moved from my upstate New York home to go to California to go to film school, and I was lucky enough to meet this man – this master filmmaker – who took me under his wing. I ended up becoming his teaching assistant. What Sandy taught me more than anything was how hard you had to work.

>As a young film student I would write a short film the night before it was due, and I would hand it in. Sandy would read it and he would write 12 pages in longhand about a shitty 7 page script. What I mean by that is that he showed you in action, not even in telling: “I just spent more time analysing your script than you spent writing it.”

>What he consistently demonstrated was the way to make decent films is to bust your ass. It’s a lot of work. You can get lazy because the cameras will make a movie. If you just say “action” something will get recorded. But what Sandy demonstrated to me is that something worthwhile will never get recorded accidentally; you need to set up your film and work the shit out of it.

This basically.

When you allow talented people to create something without trying to get the most dosh out of it, you get a good movie that makes tons of money regardless. Why dont studios understand this?

Laura REEEEEEEing

For movie standards it's average good

For capeshit it's a surprise for everyone, specially the XMEN ones

Lowered standards in 15 years of almost what it looks like indoctrination

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>not shopping in any dozens of her REEEEEE faces
5/10.

>MIRA LOOOooOOOO!

Doc Ock, Green Goblin and The Lizard are all great villains because of the personal closeness they have with Peter Parker.

You're so mature and jaded user, I wish I could be like you

I might have to start reading Spider-Man. Any good comics you know of for getting into the Spider-Man universe?

>reading comics
Why? It is so confusing to know where to start with all the numbers and I never know what blurb to read first on the page.

Get like a greatest stories trade to get you started.

That might be a better question to ask Sup Forums, I'm afraid, I've been a pretty irregular Spider-Man fan I gotta say.

Fair enough. Comics are pretty hard to get into. Just the way you were talking made it seem like you were a big comic fan.

They wrote a decent action/thriller and inserted comic book characters.

I didn't said i didn't like it, it's a good movie, but everyone is flipping over a movie that maybe you've already seen in tv, just without claws and killing.

And the XMEN movies with 3 exceptions are good, the rest are plain stupid in its own rules, settings, story and universe, contradict each other and/or have plotholes out of the ass.

it's difficult to properly assess talent and there are multiple factors that can still go wrong even with a talented cast and crew so they don't take the risk usually

which sucks because i want to see a more diverse set of movies. i'd rather have original but bad movies where the director attempted something new or unique. death to america, allahuakbar etc.

>Guys I have a great idea for this one
>ok
>listen
>How about
>How about we just make a good movie for once?
>"But how?"
>Like, we see other good movies, and do what they did 20 years ago, like, grounded in their characters, flaws and virtues, and just, do that thing.
>BUT WITH WOLVERINE

good post

Reading posts like these really makes me want to pursue filmmaking, but then I remember that Mangold's father was a famous Jewish artist and he probably had just about every connection you can get. It's depressing.

desu more capshit should do this

That's the key yeah.

Take all the capeshit out of winter soldier and it's still a very enjoyable spy/action movie.

second half was pants on head retarded

they had a good thing going until Logan and the black guy came back to the house though

I actually walked out. It was the most generic and predictably action movies that took itself too seriously.

it wasnt that bad lol

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it wasn't that good. It was equally as good to me as Origins, which was the polar opposite on the scale of studio intervention

>How did they do it?
By letting talented individuals make a film for adults.

>It will be hilarious when the first super hero movie to win a real Oscar
The Dark Knight won Best Supporting Actor. That's a real gosh darn Oscar.

>nobody here mentions the Professor X seizure scene at the casino

plebs

This post made me eject beer from my nose

He was literally just a main henchman who gets disposed of quickly. Accent was cool so people remember him tho.

>My only problem was that it didn't really fit that well with the other X-Men movies
???? lol what a tragedy

Yeah, but they killed Magneto off and then dedicated this entire movie to proving him right

Didn't thought about it, but yeah, in the end Magneto couldn't be more right.

Still he's depicted in the movies as a egotistical fuckup.

Fuck I watched Copland last week with my dad, good fucking movie.

>Prof X doesn't recognize oldass bearded Logan at the beginning of the movie
>"I always remember you, I just don't always recognize you"
>tfw he immediately thinks X-24 is Logan because of his Alzhimers

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It wasn't apocalypse porn. The MCs weren't trying to save the world from the villain of the week. It was about two old guys trying to wrap their lives up with meaning.

Jesus Christ that scene. I wad almost certain SJWs would be squealing to bo end about how it was racist against latinos but here we are and not even a peep!

Loved it though, something in me enjoys seeing criminal minorities getting slaughtered.

Those are two reasons the movie was good. You're fucking retarded.

Because one time they fell for the auteur meme and this happened

No amount of nepotism can compensate for expertise. Stop making excuses.

Good point. You have to have a bit of both.

As a mexican myself, cholo culture is sub human and it's the same as if they were zombies or communists.

Agree with that

Still race and skin color doesn't matter to have talent and dedication, and the creme rises to the top, but if you aren't an american greatest ally you won't win the little gold golem as easily.

I disagree with this guy. I think it had lofty ambitions and it achieved them.

This guy compares Logan to days of future past which is kind of stupid, it's apples to oranges. Logan is barely capeshit, in reality. It's brooding and quiet and purposefully vague. It's still capeshit, but it's the closest capeshit has ever gotten to art house cinema.

I thought the story was good but the performances which were so soulful really makes it a complete film in itself, something you can recommend to people who hate capeshit.

It definitely was depressing but I think, like Apocalypse Now, the film wasn't depressing for the sake of just being depressing, it had artistic merit.

Just got back from seeing this, I honestly don't understand how Mangold and the guy who made wrote Green Lantern came up with this.

The only hitch in it for me was X-24. I was disappointed they didn't use the opportunity to make a Sabertooth clone instead since it'd be some pottery for Wolverine and Jackman in a lot of ways. But then as I was watching the finale when X-24 is dragging Logan in agony on his claws as he screams in pain towards the tree trunk I realized the even greater pottery in Logan finally being made to suffer literally the exact pain and anguish and mortality that he'd inflicted on hundreds of other people over his life he'd slaughtered with his own claws. I was wrong being annoyed with another story about "the bad guy is a clone of the hero" but didn't realize it until the end.

However my one nitpick is that X-23 will apparently have stunted little girl claws for the rest of her life since they're encased in adamantium at like 9.

The movie has virtually nothing to do with Old Man Logan.

> Carnage
> And edgier version of an already edgy version of Spider-Man

What a pleb

> hey was there an after credits scene?

Yes, it's Deadpool leaving the theater after watching the movie and making a joke about how he'll never get to team up with Jackman now

I remember back when the first trailer came out I was hoping it would turn out Charles mindnuked everyone and was scared it was just gonna be "Haha bad guys hunted down all the mutants instead" and it wound up being both which is alright.

>However my one nitpick is that X-23 will apparently have stunted little girl claws for the rest of her life since they're encased in adamantium at like 9.

Damn that's actually a good point. WTF Mangold?

> I'm sorry I'm sorry

Didn't high-fructose corn syrup stop mutants from being born or something?

>Wath

Fuck off.

>tried to explain to my boss why Logan was kino
>he said he took his kid and thought it was a waste of his time and wouldn't recommend it

Since the claws aren't adamantiumly attached to anything, she can probably just tear them out, grow her full length ones and then get those coated again somehow.

I thought that was just their method of propagating new mutant genes they want in the population. Movie said Caliban helped them round up and kill every mutant somehow and the rest were fading out. Don't remember anything about his corn syrup speech before he got his neck blown throw saying anything about that eliminating the mutants but I dunno.

I was really hoping that it would be a senile Xavier using Cerebro losing his mind with dementia accidentally killing literally every mutant as a callback from X2 and Wolverine only survived because he recovered from his mind being fried, which is sort of half what actually happened and was good enough for me. The fact that Charles killed the X-Men gives it the same survivor's guilt impact and gravity to Logan taking care of the man who killed everyone by accident anyway.

Although one thing I was sort of expecting was that Eden would be just a back-up plan by Alkali company that they put in their comic books to make sure any remaining mutants they didn't get would try going to the coordinates on a hope and a prayer straight into their arms.

She'd have to have them torn out or have her forearms cut off before she starts growing. It might would get stunted.

I imagine they are though. I don't think we're meant to apply this much questioning to comic book logic but if the indestructible claws had any weak point to break or tear out then it would completely ruin the claws since the forces applied to them are still going to transfer to that weakest link in general use and tear them out if possible.

One of my friends said he thought I was taking the piss by recommending it. Then he told me his favorite genres were romance and comedy and that he hated westerns. Opinion discarded.