Full disclosure: I have not seen the original. I've always meant to, just never got around to it.
I thought it was decent. The music and cinematography are very easily the top two qualities of the film. Having not seen the original, I have no clue how much of these two elements was taken from the original and how much was unique to this movie.
I'm usually the kind of guy to roll his eyes at the "white-washing" meme cried out everywhere, but this movie did feel pretty fucking weird at times. It's set in Tokyo, and almost everyone is Japanese. All of the main characters, though, (except her Miyagi-mentor-character dude) are white; good guys and bad. It's just awkward, and there's a really fucking weird moment where she finds out that she was an Asian chick before she was rebuilt as a cyborg that feels borderline offensive, especially as it comes right after a scene where she's being told that she's better than she was before.
Dialogue's a little cliche'd, again not sure if any of the lines were from the original or not. Some really cool sequences, that one where she takes out the guy in the ankle-deep water that was in the trailers was pretty cool, and so were two of the Japanese dude's scenes. Final fight scene is pointless, I think they just wanted to show us the spider-tank. VFX were solid.
Probably go a 6/10.
Anyone else seen it yet? What did you think? Also happy to answer any questions.
all style, no substance pretty much missed the whole point of the source material
Elijah Watson
I have only seen the trailers but it did appear that the music is identical to the original (or at least the main theme/opening track) Which I thought was a weird choice.
Noah Russell
I didn't really get the "point" of it, no. She concludes that her mind is her soul and that she's still human where it counts, but literally everyone had been in agreement on that since the first scene of the film so there wasn't any realisation or anything.
Ah okay, fair enough. The music was pretty damn cool.
Gabriel Smith
>Full disclosure: I have not seen the original. I've always meant to, just never got around to it.
Stopped reading there.
Robert Williams
Why? Do you think that only people who have seen originals should see remakes? Nobody would ever make any money.
Hudson Scott
the original is overrated garbage. literally just as bad as akira and ninja scroll
Ayden Price
You should analyse a movue based on its own merits and flaws, not if its a carbon copy of your favorite cartoon.
t. Guy who love the original
Jacob Gomez
And my shitty cinema has it only in 3D. They don't want my money.
Isaiah Russell
If they're going to whitewash the Major, they should've set it in New York or at least San Francisco. Or hell, Japan Town or something.
Carter Green
Unfortunately tonight's screening was also in 3D. It was a critics' screening hosted by a Paramount rep, I didn't get any say in the matter. The 3D was a little distracting but didn't take away TOO much from the movie, except for one obligatory gimmick where some rubble for an explosion flies at the screen. Our whole audience groaned, though, so that was nice.
Elijah Bell
Does the ending differ from the animated film at all?
Camden Nelson
>Does the ending differ from the animated film at all? >Full disclosure: I have not seen the original. I've always meant to, just never got around to it.
David Martinez
I was thinking this the whole way through. Why not just take the story and set it in New York? Totally bizarre to keep it in Tokyo filled with Japanese people but make all the main characters white,
Angel Roberts
Tokyo has a very distinct aesthetic to it that is associated with GitS. Also the soundtrack wouldn't fit a New York setting.
Josiah Diaz
Well yeah, but both of those things could've been changed. Granted, as they were my favourite two elements of the film, I wouldn't have enjoyed it as much.
Easton Watson
Spoil the ending please.
Adrian Martinez
Better than the "no style, no substance" of the original. Basically just a boring Blade Runner with a terrible framerate.
Robert Young
>If they're going to whitewash the Major maybe there's no japanese model of a combat android?
Thomas Scott
is this scene in it?
Carter Phillips
>Evil CEO dude finds out that Major is aware of her beginnings and has her brought in, orders her creator kill her. >Creator helps her escape instead >she rendezvous with the model who preceded her >spider tank attacks both of them >she destroys tank >other dude sort of lets himself die / commits suicide so his "ghost" can "join the network" or something >Major's Japanese mentor dude beats evil CEO in a quick-draw duel >Major rejoins her team >the end
checked.
She's built from scratch.
Yes
Christian Gonzalez
holy shit i must see it
Zachary Cook
when i said source material i meant the manga and the movie
Grayson Moore
The story sounds completely different from the anime.
Brayden Murphy
>there's a really fucking weird moment where she finds out that she was an Asian chick before she was rebuilt as a cyborg that feels borderline offensive, especially as it comes right after a scene where she's being told that she's better than she was before. That sounds awful. I still want to see this trainwreck
> that one where she takes out the guy in the ankle-deep water that was in the trailers was pretty cool Do yourself a favour and watch the original then: youtube.com/watch?v=z2mXrndt1ZI
Nicholas Butler
Forgot to mention that between the quick-draw duel and Major rejoining the team, Major goes back and hugs her Asian mother and tells her she doesn't need to visit her daughter's tombstone anymore.
Grayson Hughes
>mother Okay this is definitely completely different than the anime.
Evan Edwards
Is the line in japanese?
Aiden Lee
I haven't seen the original Ghost in the Shell, just the Anime series, which was pretty good. I saw Akira on Sci Fi's Saturday Anime programming and I saw Ninja Scroll on Cinemax at night. Akira and Ninja Scroll were pretty good and weren't overrated garbage.
Jordan Miller
Yeah so after her creator lets her go instead of killing her and before she rendezvous with the other guy, she takes a key that she was given to an apartment, where she meets an old Asian lady. She looks around the apartment and the lady just lets her because she reminds her of her dead Asian daughter who went missing a couple of years ago. Eventually the Asian woman says she reminds her so much of her and asks who she is, ScarJo says she doesn't know, and then as she leaves the old lady asks her to visit her sometime and ScarJo says okay. This scene and the other scene I mentioned where she goes back and says hi again at the tombstone are the only two scenes where the mother appears. The mother speaks in English the whole time.
As far as I can recall, the only main character to speak in Japanese at all is the Japanese mentor guy, and all of his lines are in Japanese. It's a little jarring.
Josiah Gonzalez
>white cyborg used to be human asian >still has an asian mother >hugs her asian mother and tells her that her daughter is back home and now white that is fucking horrendous.
Lucas Roberts
>I didn't really get the "point" of it, no. She concludes that her mind is her soul and that she's still human where it counts, but literally everyone had been in agreement on that since the first scene of the film so there wasn't any realisation or anything. well in the original the major doesn't have memory of her life before being a cyborg but her origin wasn't the subject of the movie.
The amnesia was were to point the fact that living in a world were ghost (consciousness) can be hacked (memory/personnality modification) and bodypart replaced, the Major without memory her original body doubt about her existence (as defined by Descartes duality a material body and immaterial soul)
The Puppet Master is actually a AI who gained sentience and propose to the Major to fuse her counsciousness with him. Because like that the AI would evolve and experience death like an actual lifeform and the Major could evolve beyond cartesian duality and make obsolete her existential crisis.
But that just the theme of the first movie GiTS was also about investigation/society/military/politic in a cyberpunk world with the Section 9 being an military task force (death squad) charged to do police/national security job.
Liam Lopez
from the trailers it looks to be very well made.
Henry Bailey
it's a Bourne's identity plot from what I read
Julian Smith
>I have not seen the original >I went to watch the american remake instead
you are just retard.
Eli Robinson
>moment where she finds out that she was an Asian chick before she was rebuilt as a cyborg
Oh for fuck sake.
Daniel Smith
>Full disclosure: I have not seen the original. stoped reading there
Jacob Stewart
what made the major so good at everything? like how is she some super hacker and incredible fighter?
>The Puppet Master is actually a AI who gained sentience and propose to the Major to fuse her counsciousness with him. >Because like that the AI would evolve and experience death like an actual lifeform and the Major could evolve beyond cartesian duality and make obsolete her existential crisis. Okay, none of that was in the live-action film. The antagonist (The Puppet Master, I guess? Don't remember if he was referred to this in the film) is actually the result of the same experiment as Major. They were childhood pals and he was the failed experiment that preceded her success. If there's any sort of message or theme that this film explores I guess it's that the true self will always reappear, no matter how deep it's buried. They continually wipe her memory and it never seems to work, she always "glitches" and remembers again.
Besides the script, it was.
I was paid to go and see it. I never watched Power Rangers either, but I still went and saw that one, too. I've also seen Starsky and Hutch and 21 Jump Street without ever watching their respective series, is that also retarded?
Well she was a machine so maybe it was an "I know Kung Fu" thing or maybe her body was just built for it, I dunno. It's not really important.
Ian James
So will Sup Forums kill themselves now that the movie turns out to be somewhat watchable?
Dylan Howard
Read the thread. If this is true they completely butchered the original story and its meaning. What a mess.
Hunter Rivera
>ITT we all get surprised that the new GitS film is pretty but empty
Aaron Cruz
>Innoncence over GitS Viper yourself my man
Nathaniel Johnson
OP here. Forgot to mention that Major performs Legolas' defying-physics-by-jumping-up-falling-pieces-of-debris-up-to-safety move at one point. Probably the only time the VFX weren't top notch.
Jace Edwards
>Full disclosure: I have not seen the original
stopped reading
Hudson Foster
3D?
Lucas Gonzalez
Yeah, because the only people who should comment on a film are those who have thoroughly researched the history of the project as well as all of the source material.
Kayden King
Style is substance
Jaxson Richardson
God this sounds fucking horrible. lol
Luke Hill
Dope
Benjamin Brown
>Style is substance
Lincoln Turner
See It was converted in post, not shot in 3D, and that was noticeable.
Wyatt Bell
See
Anthony Ortiz
>The antagonist (The Puppet Master, I guess? Don't remember if he was referred to this in the film) is actually the result of the same experiment as Major. I know the antagonist is taken from the season 2 of the show. His name is Kuze, in the show him and the major became full cyborg after their plane crashed when they were child. In the show Kuze is a leader of a revolutionary claiming the autonomy of the refugee district. All this story happen in a context of Japan wanting to have closer relashionship with China and be less dependant of the US military protection.
Lucas Sullivan
ah shit, looked like flat pages of paper with a depth?
Michael Russell
>what made the major so good at everything? In the manga/anime the Major is a military with war, anti-terrorism and cyberwarfare experience.
Parker Brown
Scarlet is actually a shell of an Asian.
Christopher Garcia
Okay so in the film, they were two teenagers who ran away from home and they with a few other runaways live together in a shack on the outskirts of the city, and the company comes in and kidnaps them all for experimentation. His motivation in the movie is revenge, not autonomy for a district.
Andrew Lopez
I predicted that. But it would have been way cooler if she actually had changed to an asian cyberbody by the end of the movie with some actress like Pacific Rim chick playing her.
Matthew Allen
Yeah it was more that anything in the background was still 2D and it was just the character at the forefront of the shot that was 3D. Bit weird.
Yes, I said that in the OP. She was asian before she was built into a cyborg.
James Green
Or better, they could have done it midway. But it would have taken too much guts.
Mason Brown
Gits sac is a different continuity Kuze just reminded her of him, he wasn't that guy. At some point she asks him if he can fold paper and he says no and seems surprised by her question
Austin Bailey
>him and the major became full cyborg after their plane crashed when they were child Was that part of their plan? Did the fire rise?
Parker Gomez
So generic memory revenge plot like Total Recall/Bourne's identity with the usual "future tech is bad" undertone you can see in the majority of US sci-fi movie ?
not surprising but GiTS isn't supposed to be judgemental about its world
Brody Lee
So what does Kitano do in the movie? And does he speak engrish?
Matthew Rogers
>Kuze just reminded her of him, he wasn't that guy. At some point she asks him if he can fold paper and he says no and seems surprised by her question It was heavily implyed it was the same guy
Tyler Johnson
For the most part yes as far as bourne/total recall. I actually got more of a Robocop vibe just because she was a living person supplanted into an almost entirely cyborg body with her memory wiped and trying to figure out who she was.
I don't think desu movie was too anti-technology, seemed to be pretty balanced on the pros and cons.
Hudson Wood
See As far as I can recall he doesn't have a single English line. He speaks Japanese to everybody and they all speak English back to him. He has two cool scenes, one where three guys are sent to assassinate him and another where he has a quick-draw 1v1 cowboy style duel.
Grayson Cruz
Man this sounds like reboot Robocop 2.0 except instead of being a cop turned android, she was an Asian woman that turned into a white android. Oh and she has an antagonistic counterpart to boot that seeks to destroy the big bad corporation.
Austin Green
i'm pretty sure the poster you've replied was intented not that kind of style but just the stylish referredto the action scenes full of crappy capeshit CGI-fireworks... also, kys
Christopher Adams
Cheers.
Ryan Turner
Yeah, definitely got a Robocop vibe.
Parker Brown
Nice digits wasted on a literal retard.
Carter Miller
Found the brainlet.
Landon Hill
>Full disclosure: I have not seen the original. Then i'm not interested in anything you have to say.
Lincoln Sullivan
See There are other elements of a film besides how faithful it is to source material. A good movie should be able to stand up on its own, and a sound judgment of a film should be restricted to that film.
Colton Scott
>>Major's Japanese mentor dude Is that Takeshi's character?
Jose Wright
Yes
Landon Ward
Ffs they white-washed the actor, can you imagine if they white-washed the setting lol
Carter Johnson
oh no
Samuel Rogers
>not watching the original before the live action
Westerners are disgusting
Caleb Davis
>Takeshi quick-drawing Based
Brody Collins
Better to white-wash both or neither than white-washing one of them, imo.
Samuel Bailey
Because its not using the film's story. It has been known for months that they'll do Kuze's story for this adaptation
Lucas Allen
Eh, I checked Netflix and Stan (basically an Australian Netflix) before the screening but it was on neither and I didn't want to illegally download it. Could've gone and bought a physical copy but couldn't be bothered.
I don't know why it's "disgustin" to watch a film before watching all prior versions of that film. Are you saying you only ever watch original IP unless you've seen everything belonging to said IP?
Jeremiah Murphy
I can't imagine SJW's appreciating the reveal she was an Asian chick prior. Fucking hilarious.
I'm not going to bother watching this garbage. Whoever thought to themselves "I really want to watch another movie from the guy who made Snow White and the Huntsman!"
Hunter Parker
I never watched either of those Snow White movies. Bad? Reckon if they'd stayed together KStew would be the Major instead?
Henry Stewart
But they still used lots of scenes from the original movie without using any of its philosophy. Why not throw in some robots and call it Transformers 5?
Jonathan Roberts
Quints.
Oliver Butler
And they've butchered Kuze's story.
Austin Walker
Is it true that protagonist act surprised in front of technology related twist while it is pretty much everyday in GiTS world
Colton Ramirez
>born Asian >rebuild white (+jew power)
thats every asians white dream isn't it?
Luis Reed
I hope they kept the wub wub version of the main theme. I want this to be so bad they never touch my Chinese cartoons again.
Lucas Gomez
Okay is it good enough that people might start taking an interest in chink cartoons as the next capeshit?
If so who the fuck are we gonna cast as Joseph Joestar
Chase Sanders
Chris Evans.
Aiden Ward
So they were so adamant about denying accusations of white-washing that they actively cast everyone important white even though the movie is set in Japan? Doing what you want is one thing but it's retarded if it goes against the internal logic of the movie.
Gabriel Rivera
>there's a really fucking weird moment where she finds out that she was an Asian chick before she was rebuilt as a cyborg that feels borderline offensive, especially as it comes right after a scene where she's being told that she's better than she was before. This movie is going to be a fucking trainwreck I can't wait
Noah Perry
A little old for it I'd say, homeboy's 18 in Part 2