Why does Sup Forums hate this film so much?

Why does Sup Forums hate this film so much?

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I don't. Best in the series.

Mainly because it's well received

Mostly hate it at night, mostly

Who hates it. Saw it when it first ran in the theater.

GET AWAY FROM HER YOU BITCH

Only precious snow flakes hate it

I don't know anyone who hates the movie itself but a lot of people are disappointed in the direction it took and what it turned the alien "franchise" into.

Thats great . thats just fucking great. Now what are we supposed to do!!!

Remade today

GET AWAY FROM SIE YOU XE

Nuke it from Orbit. Its the only way to be sure.

It didn't do anything, every alien movie is completely different

Exactly

Nah, Rippley's a strong female protagonist, she could say anything.

>"hey Aliens, have you ever been mistaken for a good film?"
>"No, have you?"

>Xeno in Alien can't even kill seven unarmed civilians


"perfect organism" my ass

Because hipsters love to be contrarian. Its also the best alien film and one of the most influential sci-fi movies of all time.

>Sup Forums says they love James Cameron
>they hate aliens
How?

Being contrarian mouthbreathers that like Alien3 only because Fincher directed it although he himself hates that fucking movie

Why can't you like both? And what does it matter what the director thinks of it?

Because its boring as fuck and offers very little now that every aspect of it has been pilfered, adopted and diluted across every single medium known to man.

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it's a great flick, but the series deserved a smarter sequel.

it was clearly established, that the alien in part 1 was of exceptional intelligence - that was part of what made it scary.
cameron then turned the species into giant bugs that run into machine gun fire.

It's almost as if they use tactics appropriate to their numbers or something

It's mainly just edgy fedora fags trying to prove their own intellect by liking a pseudo-intellectual mediocre sci-fi horror and literally Ridley Scott trying to deny the fact James Camron cucked him and became the flagship director for quality movies in the franchise. Scott has been desperately trying to make a come back ever since, but with each failure like Prometheus or Covenant he digs his hole deeper.

>it was clearly established, that the alien in part 1 was of exceptional intelligence - that was part of what made it scary.
cameron then turned the species into giant bugs that run into machine gun fire.


Can you remind me again how the alien died in the first movie? How did Ripley outsmart this exceptionally intelligent organism?

>we have a numerical advantage, better get massacred for no reason since we can afford it
you're retarded

What kind of retard are you? You think these aliens have human senses of morality? You honestly didn't get the queen alien / worker alien hierarchy portrayed in the film? You don't see the benefit of sacrificing one or two aliens to allow the rest to safely overrun the base?

Jesus Christ, the quality of posters on Sup Forums is abysmal these days.

The only people who dislike it don't understand it's nuance and basically need a story smashed into their faces.

>we'll safely overrun their base by letting them kill us
>they'll be too busy killing some of us meaning the others will be safe
contain your downs, retard

because it's an action movie without a thick layer of murica

>The tactic they used which worked was stupid and I'm not going to explain why, just call everyone who disagrees a retard
Stay classy.

Alien
Aliens

The rest are garbage and not with watching.

>it worked because of an overwhelming advantage so it was the "appropriate" tactic
>despite the fact that there were possible alternative tactics that didn't involve putting yourself in the exact situation the enemy wanted you to put yourself in
it has nothing to do with class, you're legitimately mentally impaired

why are you people discussing a cut scene as if it's canon?

As far as I'm concerned it's a fun action spin-off movie and the last film in the franchise.

So why did Ripley burn the eggs when the planet was going to blow the fuck up in 5 minutes? Was it autism?

You're the retard in this arguement mate just saying. Ever notice how in team games you play alot better when your teammates aren't around because you aren't relying on anyone else to do their job?

Alien 3 isn't bad at all.

>>despite the fact that there were possible alternative tactics
Name them

>Whycomes ants don't use advanced tactics against termites? They must be retards

Man it's a pretty fun movie man

Mostly autists hate on it, mostly

To piss off the Queen.

Classic autism on your part.

It's one of those depressing, grimy-looking early 90s movies. I can't stand watching it, quality notwithstanding.

>Retard thinks highly intelligent organisms MUST think like humans
Don't bother with him, he's lost

But the queen was letting them leave before Ripley sperged out. Even if they were going to come after her afterwards it was a dumb decision to throw the chance away.

It's one of those hipster opinions, saying Alien 3 is better than Aliens. No one actually believes it but it sounds cool when you say it

James Cameron is a genius. You can't make another horror movie and expect to outdo the first, so you change the genre. This is how you do a fucking sequel.

They could have sent in a single alien and waited for it to kill everyone since one alien is apparently capable of doing that while an army of aliens are only capable of tarding out and running at the enemy.

Yes, ants are retards you retard. If a human was controlling ants the human could probably figure out a more efficient way to fight termites than the ants could. What absolutely moronic point did you think you were making here?

Sup Forums doesn't hate it, it's just a pleb opinion that it's better than Alien so they have to exaggerate on "it's not as good" with "it's total shit"

the reason that half the team died was because they swarmed them though, if they sent 1, they woulda noticed the vitals missing, had time to comprehend the situation and gtfo, the swarm made them panic.

also name 1 animal that sends in a John Wick to kill everyone, right, none

>ants are retards

>They could have sent in a single alien and waited for it to kill everyone
How would a single alien get past the auto-turrets that were lining all the entrances to the room they were in? That's the whole point of the zerg rush

How come EVERYONE at Weyland Company is an evil jew? is it a job requirement?

>also name 1 animal that sends in a John Wick to kill everyone, right, none
because real species don't somehow start fighting less efficiently when they have a numerical advantage

>LV-426 colony was around for 20 years
>space jockey ship was found near the colony after Ripley was found after 57 years
>nobody found a weird alien ship during 20 years or colony shit and during scans and checks of LV-426 before the colony was set up

The guy from Aliens didn't seem to know much about anything, I'd call him naive rather than evil

Tbh we've now seen if Scott kept the series for every film we'd get a fucked up convoluted lifecycle. People reckon the reason the Alien starts just moving around slowly in the climax and not outright killing Ripley is because it's dying or going into hibernation. It's already turned the other crewmembers into eggs (cut scene) and has no reason to use lots of its energy anymore. This was never established properly as canon and instead we got "they're drones that go out and kill/capture while the queen is the real deal" and the end of Alien seems really weird and anticlimactic

Most arguments against Aliens just seem to be autistic screeching about trivial bullshit.

>REEEEEEEEE Cameron turned them into ants! The milky robot man said the aye lmao was a perfect organism! REEEEEEEEEEE

Of course they do, every species fights less good in groups because they rely on others?? the whole point in a group is a tactical and numerical advantage, if you have 5 wolves they'll rape a moose but 1 of them could easily get kicked to death for the team, whereas one wolf would probably not take a moose down by itself but it would never put itself in a risky position just to slow the moose down

Except Alien in Alien is clearly not any smarter than the hive in Aliens.

And the marines get their shit pushed with every encounter with the xenomorphs. The survivors barely make it out by the skin of their teeth.

i think you're confused about what you've been trying to argue. you apparently think that wolves should go throw themselves under moose hooves until the moose is tired out from trampling them all as long as they had sufficient numbers that it would work

I think it's time to APOLOGIZE

It was already old enough to fossilize before the events of Alien, it probably wasn't very easily distinguishable from the rock without a visual inspection.

You're the confused one, see

No we love Aliens

You ever see nature documentaries about pack animals? notice how they leap onto their backs to slow them down so the rest of the group can catch up and get its neck?

>They could have sent in a single alien and waited for it to kill everyone
Indeed. Aliens are fucking dumb.

Because, while its a great action flick, it's a horrible Alien movie.

It removes all the sexual Giger shit and cosmic horror undertone and replaced it with
>muh Vietnam
>muh rines
and cartoony one-liners. That being said its still really enjoyable, I own both their special editions on blu-Ray and watch them every couple months.

it was ok, but the marine characters were annoying as fuck, I'm glad they all die horribly

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>I disagree with x therefore anyone who says they think x is just a hipster lying
I bet you have LOTS of friends

notice how they're slowing their target down in ways that don't get themselves killed for no reason?

if the allies had previously demonstrated they had a supersoldier that could kill everyone at normandy then it would be pretty retarded to just throw guys at normandy, yes. but that wasn't the case so your metaphor is completely nonsensical. i can't tell if you people are just pretending to be retarded or if being an aliensfag is directly correlated with not understanding analogy

>Bishop how much time
>26 minutes
>26 minutes left of the movie
kino

>sexual Giger shit
I guess you were too dumb to notice, but there's all sorts of themes on motherhood and childbirth twisted into Aliens that work on story level, not just vaniga and penis looking monsters.
>cosmic horror undertone
You're able to explain what that is?
If you're dumb as fuck, sure Aliens is just an action movie.

>killed for no reason
Why are you ignoring the turrets? Is it because you have no answer for them?

I'm dismissing you as a troll until you respond to that and suggest everyone else do the same.

Not the wolf guy but where do you get the idea that the xenomorphs are any faster than that anyways?

But the ALien in ALien doesn't show that.

Google "swarm attack" you retard. Its a legitimate effective tactic even used by naval militaries

>Xenomorph in Alien is a supersoldier that killed everyone
>Civilians
>unarmed
>with an AI constantly trying to screw them over to assist the alien
>it still didn't manage to kill everyone and died because it took a nap

Alien is not a supersoldier. The colonists had weapons and were defending themselves (they've even captured a facehugger). Marines presented the danger to the hive and it makes sense that the hive would want to destroy them quickly.

Motherhood and childbirth do not correlate well with fucking rape. Everyone can understand those themes, they just don't convey the FEAR of sexuality and rape that alien does (listen to lambert's death again and you know what I mean)

I forget, why was Mother trying to assist the alien??

Programming.

If you've established that you are much better at killing people by sneaking around than swarming them then it's stupid to swarm them. You're just apparently so dumb your thought process goes something like "there swarm things was good so swarm things always good. make sense. now i feeling compelled to go on internet and defend Aliens with flawed metaphors".

>we've established that we can bust through walls and sneak around vents and shit very effectively
>but here i see no possible option other than to walk down this corridor

the hive should want them to be destroyed surely, not quickly. which involves not sending your soldiers that seem to have evolved for covert ops to be cannon fodder

Poke your finger in an anthole and see what happens, they didn't want ANYTHING getting near their queen. So they swarmed

contrarian meme
>person 1: man [thing] is great
>person 2: yeah I sure do love [thing]
>person 3: You like [thing] too? So do I!
>person 1: [thing] is fucking terrible
>person 2: Yeah I hate [thing] and always have.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swarming_(military)

I guess you are smarter than so many millitary leader's. How can i continue to argue on the internet on Sup Forums of all places with such an unrivalled genius? Im sorry

Their contract had a clause saying if they picked up a signal they had to go and investigate it, so she diverted and woke up the crew. She also received the same orders as Bishop to get a sample of the alien and that the crew was expendable.

>>we've established that we can bust through walls and sneak around vents and shit very effectively
They sealed up all the vents, and it's strong but it isn't Juggernaut. And it couldn't get to the walls, because they were covered by the turrets. Why are you being so obtuse?

I want to fuck Vasquez

there might be situations where swarming is correct. this fact does not somehow always make swarming a reasonable option. i've explicitly pointed this out. what kind of ant brained retard are you that this is so hard for you to understand?

>Why are you being so obtuse?
because a) you're making a bunch of assumptions to justify deciding to run down a corridor and get gunned down when we've seen they function much better in other situations and b) you're deflecting away from the main reason i joined this conversation. which was just to point out that the guy who thought something working regardless of efficiency implies it's correct and reasonable is retarded.

Kek

>there might be situations where swarming is correct.

So like in Aliens then? Fucking hell you sperg

>Bishop
Ash, Bishop was 2/3

They had to get rid of the turrets before they could attack, there was no option except to swarm them and take out the turrets so they could bash down the doors at their own leisure. The only alternative you've provided is "well they should just gone through the walls", which is just ignoring the problem that they couldn't get to the walls without taking out the turrets.

I am mad as fuck about the new Alien: Prometheus 2 movie but Alien and Aliens together create one of the best Science Fiction stories created and fuck anybody who doesn't agree.

3 was tolerable. Fuck the rest. Fuck Prometheus and fuck Ridley Scott. Somebody call James Cameron I want him back.

All sex is a form of rape. You're forcing your penis inside a woman over and over again to pollinate her flower.

Resurrection was the best Alien film. Better effects and better designs

Why does Ridley make these pointless, atrocious prequels? Everybody would love a different Alien 3 with an older Newt

>which involves not sending your soldiers that seem to have evolved for covert ops to be cannon fodder
This assumption is flawed. You are assuming that all XX121s are alike and are all bred for being sneaky. Is it really so hard to believe that Drones are, by design, sneaky and intelligent but Warriors are not? The presence or lack of a Queen obviously affects their physiology and reasoning skills.

You're right.
Alien is a masterpiece
Aliens is absolute shit
Alien 3 is good
Alien: Ressurection is retarded
Prometheus is fucking horrible
Alien: Covenant is a trainwreck

Like you said, every Alien movie is different.

>Everybody would love a different Alien 3 with an older Newt
What do you mean? Newt was a corpse in Alien 3

And if you meant Aliens, I don't want a remake any more than a prequel. Anything after Resurrection would do me fine.