Rey was a Mary Sue

Rey was a Mary Sue.

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Yes

no shit

Don't you mean a MaRey Sue? :^)

That is correct

The only winners in this are the people with good taste that didn't go see that movie.

And you are a faggot.
Obvious thing is obvious thread?

She would have been alright if there was a little more focus on her story.
The only thing to her is that she's a scavenger, yet pulls off all that shit in the movie.

hmm

>Hermione
>Mary Sue

pick one desu

>Slenderman
???

She is.

Voldemort?

He was kind of a Mary-Sue when he was younger.

>can control rare and powerful magic even as a child with no training
>handsome as fuck
>most brilliant student
>charming
>descendant of one of the most important wizards ever
>gets away with everything

Kinda annoying how OP he was because it meant that Rowling had to make him act dumb for Harry to have a chance against him.

Name one flaw.

He acted like a real brilliant person when he was younger but devolved into a Saturday morning cartoon villain in his later years.

You'd think he'd wise up a bit. He's not some twenty something playing dress up with an le ebil secret society.

Should have dispensed with that shit altogether, murdered the minister and polyjuiced himself to look like him. The Dark Lord returns, rules the Ministry, no one is the wiser because everyone in that universe is a fucking buffoon.

In Rowling's defense it kind of makes sense. Voldemort's biggest flaw is his narcissism and arrogance. He might be intelligent but he also wants to be treated as the powerful wizard he feels he deserves to be. Furthermore he wouldn't polyjuice into anyone either as he's too self absorbed to willingly change into someone else's form.

she's ugly in the books

He could have become the Minister legitimately if he wanted, but he was just a psychopath who wanted to murder and scare people.

Only until the fourth book where she suddenly transforms into a megababe that everyone except Harry want to date.

>books
Where do you think you are?

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It's an "OP starts a thread to try to start shit by making a comment he thinks people will argue over but instead everyone agrees and argues over Hermione instead" thread.

Sexist faggot. Go neck yourself, scum.
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How embarrassing.

just a reminder that Voldemort did nothing wrong

the influx of muggle-borns is going to be the downfall of pure wizard blood and the end of magic as their world knows it, Voldemort could see that and had to become the leader his people needed, even against all odds, being painted as a villain and murderer (for simply taking out the blood traitors as they deserved) and ultimately dethroned by a halfblood hypocrite - Harry, after all, looked to purify his blood by relating with an old wizard family, a right which Voldemort fought for and Harry accused him of being evil for, even after Voldemort tried getting Harry to join him several times.

Voldemort could kill all muggle lovers, after Dumbledore was dead he had no contest. All he had to do was attack the people, not Harry. But he did not attack, because he did it all for his wizard people, and knew that he had to spill no more than the blood needed, by killing Harry and getting rid of leadership between the muggle team.

Voldemort is the real unsung hero here, and he unbelievably lost to "the power of love" and all that shit, brought by a self-hating whiny rich halfblood.

I am about to waifu this whole shit up say I won't

>nerdy
>uptight
>unattractive in the beginning
>superiority complex

Besides being a Mary Sue isn't just about character flaws, it's about facing obstacles you can't overcome by yourself alone and HP books are exactly about that, the three of them overcoming the odds by working together.

That's like saying the A-Team is a Mary Sue.

Disagree. The problems with her character extend to pretty much every aspect of the movie, and are very similar to issues that cropped up in JJ's Star Trek movies.

Basically JJ has a tendency to take a thing people remember about the character or franchise and make it about a million times more prominent than it was in the original, This is how we ended up going from "Kirk couldn't accept the possibility of a no win scenario, so he cheats on the test so he can win" to "kirk cheats on the test because he's not taking it seriously, and doesn't like to lose, and directly makes a mockery of it in front of everybody. We see this with Chekov now being so wet behind the ears that he literally leaves the parking brake on, and how Sulu became an expert sword fighter because one time in TOS he said he liked fencing.

All of the problems with Rey stem from this exaggeration being applied to the concept of "force sensitive individual who hasn't received training yet." Now instead of untrained force users displaying their affinity for the force by being a decent pilot or having really good reflexes, JJ feels the need to demonstrate it by having his main character pull off ridiculous feats and pull powers out of her ass that she should need to train for since "we need to show she's naturally strong in the force" or some shit.

also i forgot the biggest one
>LITERALLY MUGGLE PARENTS

Alice was a Mary Sue.

I'm sure glad that any user can be Krager by putting "Krager #KSTEW4EVER" (without the quotes) into the name field of their posts.

true

We know. Everyone disagreeing is either trolling or legitimately stupid.
Rey is Kathleen Kennedy's self-insert/wish fulfillment character.

>untrained scavenger girl is more powerful than the literal chosen one

Don't you first have to be a character to be a Mary Sue?

So was padmé

...

How is she a Mary Sue? Does she have an impact on the story? Not really. She mostly sits back and watches as everything unfolds. She doesn't win her lightsaber duel. She doesn't destroy the planet. She just observes everything. Luke on the other hand somehow destroys the Death Star. Luke was a Mary Sue not Rey.

All JJA movies/series have Mary/Gary Sue/Stu characters as protags.

It's his thing. Also, so form of time travel.

He even put time travel in the Felicity finale. wtf???

JJ likes to create characters that need to overcome obstacles, but then those obstacles are handwaved away cause Abrams needs to get from point A to point B

>Oh, Kirk is just a cadet in the first movie?

>How about if everybody who is a higher rank than him dies?

She is just as bland and Mary Sue`ish as a female Jedi character from Star Wars Old Republic

>Does she have an impact on the story?
>fixes the Falcon
>save Finn from the hentai monster
>does some shit Finn and Han couldn't do on that one ice place where Han died and Kyle Ren got shot

No. Padme wasn't almighty, had her shair of failures (her decoy gets killed in Ep 2, fucks up at the senate), relies on Anakin in Episode 2 and just follows him around, the rest of the characters don't care too much about her, she was reduced to being just the random chick that had Anakin's kids, then died. Unless you count the new Clone Wars show, which I didn't watch, in that case I've no idea.

>Luke spends most of the movie failing at everything, constantly needs to be saved, wins once
>Rey defeats the new Darth Vader twice in the movie
>her moment of weakness is literally a moment and ultimately inconsequential

But it's a game, the character is supposed to be a mighty self-insert. Rey is in a big budget movie that allegedly had the best of the best writers they could get.

>>Rey defeats the new Darth Vader twice in the movie
not tru but the rest is correct

>She doesn't win her lightsaber duel.

that is exactly my point. When it comes to Ray it's like we are watching the cut scenes of a video game

She had horrible interpersonal skills. She was also wasn't liked by a lot of people, a cornerstone of a Mary Sue.

>not true
>beats him in a test of force
>defeats him in a lightsaber duel
>b-b-but h-he was injured and x and y and z

in the logic of the world you can explain anything you want, from a character and story structure perspective she beats him twice, luke doesn't even fight vader in a new hope

I think that user must mean the lightsaber duel (Rey at least doesn't die) and how she beat Kylo at the mind trick interrogation scene.
Oops, and yeah I agree with you.

He creates Eugenics characters that have a special talent from birth and are better than everyone and can do shit no one else can do and also coincidences lol just fall next to old Spock who was next to Scotty on that planet, etc.

I just want to know why they are pushing episode 8 as an Empire type movie with Jedi training. Clearly she has nothing left to learn.

>>b-b-but h-he was injured and x and y and z
>*sticks fingers in ears* LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU LALALALLA
So I guess you're just going to conveniently ignore Kylo Ren getting shot and asking Rey to join him multiple times.

Making the enemy an incompetent idiot is part of making the hero a mary sue sometimes. Being asked to join him is also a mary sue trait, even the villain loves/wants her.

>supposed to be the new darth vader
>faces the protagonist twice
>leaves a loser in both circumstances

as i said, you can explain everything with the internal logic of the movie and the SW universe, mary sue is a character/story issue

How i would make her:

- she cant fly at all. She has to learn it from Poe or Han Solo. But her Force power makes it easier for her to lern it
- she has only basic understanding of how a ship works. She could never repair something without help
- she cant use lightsaber at all and she gets wrecked by Kylo Ren
- she used a gun on Jakku thats why she is a good shooter. But she has not much knowledge of the art of warfare (tactics etc. That`s Finn`s specialty)
- she is good in climbing but she is psysicly not as strong as her male companions
- she is really strong in the force, even more than Kylo Ren, but she has problems to controle it

Rey can't be a Mary Sue because for that you first would need to have a character there.

Is she anything besides "determined"?

Wouldn't that mean that fan fiction characters that started the "Mary Sue" term aren't characters either?

She should start off the film as being somewhat selfish and hostile/standoffish with the others because she is used to surviving on her own and having people prey on her

she doesnt life alone on Jakku but with other scrap collectors that she considers friends. When the First Order arrives on Jakku she helps the Republic and the First Order notices her. She than later decides to leave the planet to not put her friends in danger

You can just fix her by getting a good actress like Keira Knightley imo. Also someone who doesn't cry muh mysoginy when someone says her character is a mary sue.

even a good actor can't save a bad script

I know but it would make it more watchable I guess.

In the books she isn't

In the movies she is

survive alone on a desert planet sounds already a bit Mary Sue`ish. THat's why i chose to give her friends on Jakku
see

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People living in a poor community such as hers that has few resources for survival and where-in people must scavenge to survive is not the sort of environment where people form close or meaningful friendships. People may band together for survival, but even within their group they are in competition. It's less a family and more of a gang.

Rey being a more cynical person as opposed to the idealistic Luke (or Anakin) makes her different. It also makes her more at risk to the dark side.

I agree that would make her character interesting. I added other characters because its just hard to survive on your own in a hostile environment like a desert

and transporting huge ship parts without help is also unrealistic (at least without the force)

Yeah he's a bit of a wanker. He's so self absorbed that he single handedly jobs himself.

To be fair what's his name had been shot in the side and wasn't trying to kill her, only trying to bring him to her side.

Still, everything else in the movie makes her look like a huge Mary Sue.

tpm > tfa

Prove me wrong

He is the main villian so he has to be really powerful and smart

Harry Potter was Gary Stu`ish at times (especially in the 3. book where he managed to save Sirius Black, Buckbeak and get the trophy for Griffindor)

Don't forget that Rowling essentially demonises working class, institutionalised orphans and lionises rich trust fund babies through her shit characterisation.

>Voldermort can't feel love because he was never loved as a child (hardly his fault) and thus deserves eternal torment, despite the fact that he worked hard all his life to better himself, along with everyone else who has never been loved :)
>Harry, a literal Sue who lucked into friends, family, and fortune, for some reason deserves all the love in the world even though he has no demonstrable talent and has never really worked hard at anything. We are also expected to ignore the fact that his father was a little sadist and his mother was a brainless wasp. Oh! He also gets to win against the guy who actually studied and put the work due to the power of...you guessed it...love!! :)

Rowling is a fucking hack

A few options

>she doesn't need to scavenge such huge shit

>or she does get help, but people sometimes betray her and rip her off


Poverty means desperation and desperation means a lack of trust and faith in the goodness of others


To me, when I saw her turning over some junk to get some grool to eat I got the impression this is a very poor community where people have very little. Additionally, whoever does have any wealth, such as whomever is passing out that slop to eat, is likely to keep everyone else pushed down. People are a little resentful


So Rey is a bit mistrustful of others
Thinks people will try to take advantage of her or rip her off
Resists trusting others and is skeptical of anyone trying to "do good"
She might actually have an easier time bonding with Finn when he escapes the Order only to want to run away and save himself
That is a mentality she understands


Basically, Rey ought to be the Han Solo of this film. Remember that in A New Hope it was Luke who was naive and good and heroic and Han was just in it for money. At the end he wants to take his monetary reward and leave the rebels to their fate, but he has grown to respect Luke and when Luke shames him for his greed it changes him

Doesn't explain how she used force suggestion, telepathy, force pull, flew the falcon a custom made freighter expertly on her first try in the innards of a dangerous dynamic obstacle course while out dog fighting from youth onward trained pilots. Doesn't explain her expertly shooting a gun hitting 8 targets on her first try. Doesn't explain why she's desired by everyone or why she's immediately loved and trusted by everyone. Doesn't explain why they congratulated her after the death star's destruction or why Leia hugged her instead of her friend of 40 years Chewie. Remember, finding Luke was so vital that the very future of the resistance depended on it. So let us send this smelly sand rat we just met. And to add Kylo jobbed Finn easily enough.

voldemort can't feel love because he was conceived under the effects of a love potion you stupid fucking idiot

good point

If i remember correct his dad was under the control of a love potion . Her ugly mother did it to get the handsome Tom Riddle Senior

yes

Way to cherry pick.
They are foil characters, both orphans, both thrown into a world that they were unaware of. Both were charismatic enough to develop a group of friends, Voldemort became a villain, Harry a hero. They are supposed to be foils of each other, books 2, 3, 6 and 7 go into detail about how successful Voldemort was in Hogwarts.

So I would write Rey's character like his

>Pros
Brave
Kind (when she feels secure)
Resourceful
Strong sense of justice
Self-sufficient
Good fighter

>Cons
Cynical
Mistrustful
Independent to a fault (can cause her to overestimate her ability in some situations)


As part of her character arc she learns that some people are good and will help her and others for altruistic reasons, that some people can be trusted. That in the long-term selfish, greedy, abusive people will pay the price for it. That everyone needs help sometimes and that there are people worth helping, worth fighting for.

She bonds with her companions, but then Kylo/the Order kill one of them and at the end of the film Rey's character is balancing on a razor with her sense of Justice at risk of becoming a drive for Vengeance instead. Having come to trust and get attached to others, only for them to be taken away, may wind up causing her to go back to her old ways and double-down on them.

>kind
>Strong sense of justice

to people she thinks deserve it

Tattoos on feet are the worst kind of tattoo.

How's that his fault? If anything, that absolves him of his actions.

i saw porn stars who had the same stars on their body

That does not change the fact that Voldemort was not the villain he was being painted as. If anything, it makes more of a valid point when they are so alike and Harry couldn't even put himself in the shoes of Voldemort and see his own shortcomings. Never he wondered if he was truly evil, he just ate up Dumbledore's progressive ideas and ran with it.

Voldemort was the more accomplished wizard, he had more to offer as a leader and since his return in the fourth book he even had more support than Harry, but it's easy to paint all of Voldemort's insurgents as evil insane murderers. Harry was a fucking hypocrite, as Dumbledore and half of the Order of the Penis.

The Dark Lord came from a terrible background, built his own future out of competence (and some
scheming, that's true), became powerful out of his own study in a taboo subject with not much research behind - truly a wizard spellcrafter - and was compared to the terror of Grindenwald - even though we don't really know what the german dude did originally to be so bad.

The books are prejudiced against pure blooded wizards without a single reason. They are filled with bullshit, we only get Harry Potter and friends side of the coin, we never get a chance to try and understand Voldemort, and ultimately he got tired of trying to talk to the "good guys" and got ready for war.

Voldemort was the hero all along, trying to save the magic world from its self inflicted demise. He was the better wizard and lost to a whiny teenager with >muh luv, trying to ignore all reality and kicking and screaming about the evil man with the dark arts.

True

she might she needy and/or naive people as being deserving of scorn or of mostly having themselves to blame for their misfortune

Despite Disney shills trying to paint Luke as a Gary Stu which he isn't at all. It should be noted that Rey is a unique case of Mary Sue in a feature film, even cartoons heroines are more balanced. The only films where you got a Mary Sue like Rey is at Bollywood, these badass guys who can single handedly take dozens of cops and thugs, flip cars with their fingers and other insane stunts.
The Force Awakens is Bollywood level of cinema.

the way he destroyed the Death Star is the only thing that was weird but he is not nearly as badly written as Rey

He destroyed the deathstar because of an oversight on the engineer's part.

Luke had flown all kinds of speeders all his life for fun, so having piloting skills isn't that extraordinary.

i mean that he used the force to control the missile

Slenderman is such a fucking Mary Sue

I'm agreeing, also it is odd she fought better than Finn when she had the exact same amount of experience with light sabers.

My goodness ya'll, Luke didn't touch this missiles with force anything, he used the force to time when to pull the trigger much like Obi Wan did when Blocking Grievous' blades or what Anakin used when racing at break neck speeds. It's called, Force danger sense. Listen people, do you think the Rebels planned for months and months and months only to have to wait on a telekinetic? The Missiles were homing missiles. In the war room, they show where the missiles, Once Lined Up with the chute, would handle the rest. That's why Luke's craft had a TARGETING COMPUTER. The targeting computer would give Luke a signal, WHEN to pull the trigger. Here's the difference, the speed the struts that jutted out, and the anti air craft batteries was a bit much for the TARGETING COMPUTER to compensate for. Obi Wan, if you remember, taught Luke how to use the Force to see for him. So the FORCE told Luke when to PULL the trigger. Or do you believe Luke physically placed the Missiles into the chute, then as he flew away, he maintained control of them while flying away at hundreds of miles an hour? And do you believe the rebels plan hinged on Luke's potential telekinesis? And Luke didn't have telekinesis by the way. He had it in ESB and it still took him three minutes to pull his Saber free. Rey's a horrible Mary Sue and is literally the first one I've ever seen, and I thought Triple X was bullshit. NOT ANYMORE!

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>was

Wait till you see the Last Jedi.

Thank you good sir. Thank you.

I sure can't