Now that the dust has settled, what's the verdict on Sicario?

Now that the dust has settled, what's the verdict on Sicario?

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Makes you wonder why America doesn't use their Drones on those Carte- I mean terrorists in Mexcio.

boring shit

They've been using Army SOF for that for literally decades now.

American?

7/10 felt pretty average

blunt is hot af tho

Great fucking movie. Amazing sound.

Benicio/10

I was pleasantly surprised by that movie. More people need to see it I say.

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>[cellos intensify]

especially people who idolise Sons of Anarchy and Sopranos and the Godfather and shit like that.
This is illegal drugs. Capitalism at its purest. How it was with everything really until a legal context was established.

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are you stupid? Is that all you kept from the movie?

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Probably the stupidest opening scenes of any movie ever. It paints the FBI squad as the most incompetent unit on earth.

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Are you okay user?

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that scene was brutal. WHo knows what pushed those people into giving their lives for the cartel? Poverty may have been the background, but tight situations may have led them to being abandoned in the hands of gangs.

Bad pacing and uninteresting protagonist offset by much more interesting "antagonist" good guys

The action scenes are alright

now, this is beautiful. That was a great filmed scene.

>tfw not delta

I don't care what Sup Forums says, I like Villeneuve and his movies - even Arrival, though it's probably his worst so far. I'm optimistic for the new Bladerunner and Dune.

It was boring but more realistic than most movies like that. At least it didn't make women seem stronger than they are. When she punches that guy he nearly strangle fucks her ass.

Because Mexico is too proud to accept American help, unless the American's "beg" to be allowed to do something there

>still no oscar for deakins

he's one of the better directors working today in mainstream cinema. Sup Forums just likes to troll and be contrarian.

why would you like to support drug smuggling and illegal status when it contributes to the misery of millions of people?

9/10 it was great

This webm is actually why i waited so long on seeing the movie.
Thought it was some gangster edgelord shlock, didn't realize the movie was kino.
So I guess good job on posting the most cancer webm of the movie.

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Based Glasses Operator

Its only cancerous because of your retarded presumptions, if anything this is proof you should kill yourself.

It was very good, but it ironically suffered from it's conceit.

It wanted to show how out of touch America has become over what's REALLY going on at the border and does this with Emmy B's character.
She's intentionally out of the loop, horrified, and pushed to the point of not caring.
So many important things happen without her approving or even being aware. She has very little agency in the movie.
But that's the point. The "war" at the border has gone beyond the control of the people who should be in control. It's being run by it's own people.

So most of the flaws of the movie are "intentional" to further the conceit. But even if you know why something is "bad" it doesn't make it feel any better.

Great music and cinematography though

>It was very good, but it ironically suffered from it's conceit.
neck yourself user

>that scene where del toro piss in the mexican dude face

extreme

He didn't piss on him....

Michael Westin don't take no shit from nobody.

>he's a bluepilled bootlicking cuck
>he doesn't realise that the main cause of drug related violence is autistic prohibition that hands control of the market to criminal gangs

>pushed to the point of not caring

that eluded me.


>She's intentionally out of the loop

if you identify her with the u.s. "public opinion", she, like everybofdy else, is kept from finding out the truth.


>She has very little agency in the movie.

so?


>The "war" at the border has gone beyond the control of the people who should be in control


Oh it's definitely under control. And who should be in control do you think?


>But even if you know why something is "bad" it doesn't make it feel any better.


it's the first step towards the solution, inderstanding the problem that is.

>he doesn't realise that the main cause of drug related violence is autistic prohibition that hands control of the market to criminal gangs

then why did I say "illegal drugs" you fucking idiot?

I didn't get this part. With all the water, I thought they were going to waterboard him. But then the camera lingers on the drain on the floor, we hear grunting, but we don't see any water going into the drain. What was happening?

Someone spell it out for me please.

>emily blunt will NEVER step on your balls
just die in my sleep already
( ._.) ( ;_;)

one of the most effective interrogation techniques

I just watched this and I spent the entire movie repeating the words "This is reddit, this is memes, this is reddit, this is memes..." under my breath.

I fucking hated it. I was writhing around on the floor in front of my sofa for the last 30 minutes it was so painful.

>So many important things happen without her approving or even being aware. She has very little agency in the movie.
That's literally the reason they selected her. DOJ wouldn't aprove a CIA op on american soil without the FBI there as oversight. They intentionally picked the densest fuck they could find, one who didn't do case work, wasn't an investigator, and was completely out of the loop, on purpose.
Emily Blunt, and the audience, is always a step behind Brolin and C. Cario.

i really liked that aspect of the movie, how you always felt behind. the CIA and Delta was properly spooky, and you felt like there was a larger game in play than even the movie let on.

"force feed" the water into the prisoner, so that their belly literally swells and they become very ill, with extreme "drinking" actually resulting in death. try drinking 2-3 litres of water in a short duration and see how much physically ill it makes you.
after 8-10 litres you'll reach levels that kill you, depending how large your body is

And they're not?

It's fucking cool

Arrival was such a fucking disappointment after Prisoners and Sicario. I blame it on the shitty writer, though.

Pretty nice but really, REALLY overrated like everything nowadays.

>and you felt like there was a larger game in play than even the movie let on
the jews

Watching 2 hours of a main character getting literally man handled and tossed aside was actually really fun. Also I love how ruthless the sicario was.

It was fun, and didn't pull any punches
>shooting the entire damn family

Rekt

But even the FBI has a standard operating procedure which includes surveying and securing the current area before moving into the next room or building. The opening makes them look like a bunch of door-kicking retards blindly storming into shit they know nothing about.

That was kinda the point of the movie, wasn't it? Blunt's character WAS just a dumb doorkicker storming into shit she knew nothing about.

Cartels especially the smaller off shoots make their money off kidnapping and extortion. They actually target migrants from Central and South America. Torturing them and demanding ransom from their families in the US. Trump enforcing stricter immigration actually depleted the number of migrants making the journey into Mexico so the cartels lose their money stream. That in turn causes them to search for more ways to make money, interning with the larger cartels and causing more bloodshed.

Meh movie. I liked the soundtrack though.

I always got the feeling that her character was supposed to be in her early 20s.

The dude that tried to rape her had the right idea

He didn't try to rape her, he was trying to kill her.

But a person like that would never even pass basic scenario training. Any recruit displaying these tendencies after the first few visits to the killing house would either be chained to a desk or outright discharged. But it wasn't just her, the whole unit, from the top brass down to Blunt were acting like mindless adrenaline junkies on their first day.

It's a movie, I bet 99% of audiences don't know or care about stuff like this.

What's your point? Are you implying that the FBI team didn't plan the attack off-screen?

>It paints the FBI squad as the most incompetent unit on earth.

Every fucking movie on the planet does this. Literally every movie with the FBI has them do something incompetently as fuck or retarded.
Part of the reason is that writers don't actually know how the FBI fucking works, they just go off other examples from other movies.

Exactly. They stormed the compound without knowing what was waiting for them inside which is most evident by how they didn't even send a bomb squad to check the locked cellar door in the shack.

The main point of that scene was to show how a line was crossed. You no longer had an environment meant for law enforcement. You had a warzone.

Now, I don't know why they thought they were doing a hostage operation. I'd assume that the CIA was directing them from the shadows, as part of their wider operation.

The politics behind the operation don't matter to the situation at hand. Unless the team was assembled 10 minutes before the GO without a briefing and just told that there was imminent danger, but even then they wouldn't send the FBI but regular SWAT or maybe ATF and used some bullshit excuse like "well the cartel is drugs and firearms so that puts it straight into our jurisdiction hurr".

>cop with street smarts solves the case before the much better trained and equipped FBI does

If youre a faggot who doesnt like operator-kino, then maybe stick to jump cuts.

If youre a man who enjoys operator kino with some of the nicest cinematography in years, plus some really well developed characters, then Sicario is a solid 8/10.

I just rewatched the scene. They were operating with SWAT. I still don't get your main problem with the scene.

>points the gun away so they'll engage
Pure operator kino

Pure kino. Can't wait for the sequel.

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Thoughts?

Reread and try again

That was what happened? Huh.
What was the point in him shoving his crotch in the guy's face? Just ""dominance""?

he got raped, jeez

I remember in those leaked CIA documents from a few years ago that they had apparently shoved blended food up some of the prisoners assholes as a form of torture technique or something like that.

yes

so he could get a whiff of that nice sweaty salty benis

Sicario was brilliantly made, but it's a good example why stories that follow the conventional narrative structure (Act I - exposition, Act II - crisis, Act III - resolution) are more enjoyable to follow.

What?

Have you ever seen how any special forces units, military or law, clear a compound? Like an instructional video or maybe even first hand experience? The opening has them basically breaking every single rule in the book. How they just barge into rooms they know nothing about. There could be 5 guys with rifles and shotguns inside, there could be a hostage with explosives strapped to the body, there could be nobody - they just don't know but go in alone anyway.
First they blow the hinges off the doors with a breaching charge or shotguns, spray the room with teargas or drop in a flash/conc or two. youtube.com/watch?v=E_D0uzw6ito

The director chose not to show what happened so every viewer can project his own idea of the worst torture method onto it, not for the "secret patrician dissecting club" to "get" it.
Whatever you wanted to happen has happened.
Sometimes not showing the exact actions is far more impactful than showing it on screen.

Remember, movies aren't puzzles which you have to put together in a certain kind of way to "get" them.

they waterboarded him

i really don't get why people try to make something else out of it

waterboarding is cheap, easy and extremely effective

The water tank is closed and sealed. The drain is completely dry.
There is no singular universal answer to it.

You're making it sound like it's some big thing he did, I'm just trying to get plausible answers for what he did coupled with his behavior in the room beforehand i.e. the shoving of his groins into the guy's face.

they were probably just flipping him over and putting something on his face

waterboarding is illegal and the whole point of the movie was that they were doing illegal shit to get to the cartels

so is raping the guy, or force-feeding him water, or whatever other theories there are for what they did to him in that scene.

Why do you think the director chose not to show it and make it so ambiguous?
Why do you want a definite answer if there clearly isn't one?

I understand the fucking effect you mouth-breathing pretentious faggot.
I'm not asking for a definitive answer, I'm asking for plausible answers. Maybe someone's read something about typical illegal interrogation techniques that are being done or something and can share that for speculation, for fun. Fucking retard.

>extremely effective
they waterboard specops as part of their training

Ok, I see.

>Why do you want a definite answer if there clearly isn't one?
It was rape. That's why people can't get the scene out of their heads. Deep down inside, it gnaws at them. They want someone to tell them that it wasn't rape.

>It was rape
Yeah sure, Del Toro managed to get a boner literally in a split second and started analy pounding him right away, sure thing buddy

Fucking Emily Blunt has ONE face expression throughout the whole movie. I just couldn't stand it

How exactly is it stupid? Do accidents not happen? Do you believe that Cartels wouldn't booby trap something?

Also, the ones who were fucking around in the shed were the local PD not FBI members so you statement is automatically wrong.

I think Benecio didnt rape him but just jacked off onto his face.