>warship but not overtly menacing
>bridge location not overly obvious like with the saucer ships
>nacelles actually protected instead of leaving grills completely exposed
>enough firepower to take on much larger capital ships
>ablative armor as a secondary defense instead of relying entirely on shields
Wish Trek took more design risks like this instead of always sticking with the saucer-stardrive-pylon template.
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They have to dumb-down everything for normies, or they couldn't tell factions' ships apart.
Also, there is a core of "trekkies" that would sperg-out if the Federation aesthetics were changed too much.
from which Star Wars novel/Disney show is that from
Could you BE anymore Millennial?
Warlock class is the best there is. Shame it got so little screen time.
its literally a ufo
also shit interior design not a warship
If the forward nacelle isn't the bridge, what is it for?
Where was that during the Earth-Minbar war?
Deflector penis
Navigational deflector shit duh.
It didn't exist until after the civil war. It has Minbari and Shadow tech built into it.
Reminds me of the Rocinante, apart from the missile pods coming out the side. I dig it
There's no rhyme or reason to ship design, firepower, speed, or durability in star trek. Hell in TNG they couldn't afford new ship models so they took the reliant model from Star Trek II, the Excelsior, Bird of Prey, and Grissom models from Star Trek III and just used them over and over again leading to bizarre canonical headaches like "Why the fuck does star fleet seem to churn out new ship classes every few years but use Miranda and Excelsior ships for 100+ years?" or "Why the fuck did the Klingons create 5 different classes of bird of prey where they are obviously the exact same ship down to the smallest detail but just scaled 2x, 5x, 10x and 15x?" And let's not even start with obvious kitbash models.
military hardware is still useful 100 years into the future with component upgrades
there are litey ww2 ships in natoons cointries running today
>there are litey ww2 ships in natoons cointries running today
Not really no. Unless you're talking about 3rd world shitholes that bought useless WWII cruisers off of the US and Russia and slapped some missiles on them to pretend that they have a real navy when they are outclassed by anything made in the 1960's.
The only reason those ships are still around for so long in star trek is obvious model recycling.
The Federation covers nearly a quarter of the Galaxy. Even old outdated ships could be useful for moving cargo or doing planetary surveys.
I really like the Lexx. The idea of a biological spaceship is very unique.
>The Federation covers nearly a quarter of the Galaxy.
With only 150 member worlds? Not likely.
Y'all niggas need General Products. Transparent synthetic diamond hull, minimal openings, basic shape to avoid friction.
The M2 machine gun was invented in 1918 and has been in continuous service since 1933. We've adopted a lot of new machine guns since but the M2 is still a highly effective weapon.
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Warhammer ships are far superior
The Defiant/Valiant are the only "military hardware" in Starfleet.
>Federation makes ONE military ship in its history
>it's the most powerful ship in the Alpha Quadrant and 1/50th the size of a capital ship
That's what happens when you spend several centuries teching up.
i thought the enterprise e was a warship
No, though it is modified to fight the Borg. It's still an exploration and humanitarian ship like every other ship in Starfleet, the Defiant not withstanding.
Unsurpassed
but it literally has a a battle bridge
The Enterprise D has a battle bridge.
Thats not including colonies in other solar systems and space stations
Technically most of the ships are hybrid warships but they don't call them that as the Federation doesn't want to come across as war-like.
The Galaxy-class starship was able to go toe to toe with Romulan Warbirds
>>Federation makes ONE military ship in its history
Two, the Defiant and the Valiant are identical. The Valiant was recomissioned the Defiant after the first one was destroyed.
The main difference was in crew compliment and quarters. The Valiant class wasn't meant for long term deployment and lacked all the creature comforts of other Starfleet vessels.
>The Galaxy-class starship was able to go toe to toe with Romulan Warbirds
This is patently false. We've literally never seen a Galaxy directly engage a Warbird.
You forgot the Sao Paolo. Also the Sabre and Akira classes are supposed to be primarily tactical escorts.
They made more of them.
Wrong. Valiant was destroyed by red squad. Sao paolo was recommissioned as the defiant after it was lost in the second battle for the chintoka system.
I think he is referring to the time Data said that the capabilities of a warbird were a match to the ones of the Enterprise
I'm sure that was a conservative estimate. Fact is the capabilities of the D'deridex were never observed in full until the Dominion War.
You are like little baby
Defiant is a slow piece of shit.
>teleports behind you from 3 different directions at once
Prometheus class ships would have wrecked anything in the galaxy, especially after Voyager returned and all its Delta quadrant technology is applied to other advanced vessels.
>hybrid warships
you are just making up terms. Starfleet does not make warships. They have science and diplomatic ships and they arm them. They are not actually designed with the kind of redundancies you would expect in a warship nor do they seem to give any priority at all to combat in their layout
You could argue, i suppose, that the galaxy class with its design of being able to separate kind of makes the lower half a warship but even then you have this immensely compromised design just to carry around a bunch of civilians and recreational facilities.
Under roddenberry starfleet was always the 'words not violence' touchy feely types. Their weapons are just there to scare off the less advanced space barbarian species who can not be reasoned with. After they died and the IP started getting militarized then you see the defiant as an example of a real warship.
>that mini nacelle on top
Every time
>a literal gimmick shit ship
its a piece of crap, pretend it wasnt just thrown in as a plot device at the time for a countdown suspense mechanism, its a bad idea. Its a ship, supposedly meant for war, which is designed to come apart. Either its wasting a shitload of space having heavily armored and reinforced hulls along the sections that are 99% of the time internal, or its a flimsy piece of garbage. that gets a section destroyed by one good torpedo.
theres another one on the bottom too.
It covers about 2/5 of ONE quadrant of the Galaxy.
the ship was heavily automated to the point that two AI could run the thing on their own. considering how many phaser strips it has and how few escape pods there are its obvious the Prometheus was designed for combat, not large crews and luxurious amenities.
>The idea of a biological spaceship is very unique.
It really isn't.
That concept will never not be idiotic. Each segment has 1/3 the firepower and 1/3 the shields of the entire ship. Separating like that is just asking to be defeated in detail.
Succ
this, if anything they should have gone full Borg and built giant Federation Cubes with multiple cores and shields
Supposedly it could separate from the rest of the ship and be fired as a missile. This was never done in the series.
>function had to be removed from STO due to being completely underpowered
> memory-alpha.wikia.com
The notched forward hull containing the vessel's navigational deflector and main sensors was a detachable single-use last-resort missile. This missile was equipped with a small impulse engine and a magazine with six torpedo warheads. These torpedo warheads were part of the ship's auto-destruct system and under more normal circumstances could be fired from the forward launcher. Any torpedo warheads left in the magazine would become the missile's warhead upon the missile's separation from the rest of the ship. If no torpedo warheads remained, then the missile would have to rely on kinetic energy alone. The ship would be unable to travel at high warp speeds without the missile since the latter contained the ship's navigational deflector.
>It took Starfleet centuries to realize the importance of starships built for war
Too bad we will likely never see post-Nemesis/Voyager Star Trek.
Stupid design, desu. It requires many times the armor and most of the time it isn't even doing any protecting. Also it needs three warp cores which means it's 3 times more likely to blow up.
>Patrick Steward will never fall into your arms laughing
Why even live?
*Stewart
I like the Nebula Star Destroyers from the expanded universe.
>nacellelets
No.
It's analogous to the A-10 Thunderbolt. It started as a gun that they built a starship around.
Empire > FPA
The best starship desgin so far is the spaceship from Avatar because Cameron applied his autism in its design.
I know you're not dissing mother fucking Warp Speed Saucer Sep.
Empire: Better Flagships, Worse regular battleships.
FPA: Better main character. Worse supporting cast.
I also like the government military ship from Fifth Element. Gives me a Star Destroyer vibe.
move away
one more
>friction
>at warp
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Donnager-class Dreadnoughts are pretty cool.
>fucking fidget spinner space ship travel
why is this allowed in science fiction genres? even roddenberry would slap the shit out of the writer of this show
>not a warship
Nigga that's all it is. Literally one of the most lethal ships in the Star Trek universe. No engineering experiments, science labs or cultural outreach centres. Just high speed, high manoeuvrability, biggest shields they could fit, and fucking guns out the wazoo.
why do you think they have deflectors
no joke i really like this design they went for this ship it reminds me one of those key chains sperm designs pretty cool
That's a good trick.
kek
Yeah having your crew potentially go insane when you warp is really efficient
Based on what we saw in Voyager, one of the new Prometheus class vessels was easily a match for a Romulan warbird.
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Keep in mind that this ship was being crewed solely by two medical holograms.
it looks like a squid
>Entirely dependent on the Astronomican as a reference point
Try again
It looks like the Galaxy Quest ship.
The Prometheus was the only good thing to come out of VOY, and damn was it sexy. Defiant's got points for being nimble and powerful in such a small package, the space equivalent of pic related
Is that how STD's warp drive works? That is literally the dumbest thing I have ever seen.
no, that's just the spore warp
It's still dumb as fuck. I know "muh inertial dampeners" but that crew should be dead.
>Ships don't do the stretch-thingy and then disappear in a flash
I wasn't bothered by them changing the ship designs and uniforms, but this is going too far.
They use fungus to teleptort.
In the W40K universe it's the only feasible galactic-scale FTL. And the Imperium has both the population size and the Inquisitorial infrastructure to manage losses to warp corruption.
god 40k is fucking embarrassing lmao
The thing with Star Trek is that the TOS Enterprise is a really wacky design that regardless of the fact that "it doesn't need to be aerodynamic, it's in space!", it just doesn't look right, it looks ungainly, and you can see them battling with that with every new ship they design.
Whenever the nacelles are brought close in to the body, or the "neck" is shortened or even removed completely, or the body is removed completely, or the saucer is made to be anything other than an actual regular circle, it simply looks better.
And the Defiant was the culmination of that. It's the furthest a Federation hero ship can plausibly get from the Enterprise before things stop feeling like Star Trek.
Faggots must be purged.
They still do that in Discovery. They do it really fast, though, more like how it is in Star Wars.
The Discovery doesn't warp, it runs off space mushrooms, so they needed to show that it does something different and that retardation is what they came up with.
>They use fungus to teleptort.
>The Discovery doesn't warp, it runs off space mushrooms
Wait, what?
Just some nonsense, like every other aspect of the show
The universe is full of fungus and it's all connected. So they used a giant water bear to teleport them across the fungus network.
Well they did. But then they let him go.
I hate this ship, I hate the characters and I hate this show. Fuck you CBS
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I don't like how ships in the star wars universe have those tiny turbolasers strapped on it like an afterthought, death star excluded of course. Actual warships had fuckhuge guns even relative to the size of the ship.