Were Derrick's speeches supposed to be so convincing?

Were Derrick's speeches supposed to be so convincing?

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>blames blacks for something
>gets angry when someone disagrees with him
>literally gets physical with his own family

Yeah... If youre not an edgy 16 year old Sup Forums faggot, you probably understand who was in the wrong here.

but that's the typical device of the movie

Derrick makes a series of coherent, valid points...then randomly discredits himself by getting violent.

I think he's meant to sound right until he starts calling people niggers and talking about Jews. The movie isn't really about racism, the idea is that violence begets violence, hence the ending. That and that extremism is the true evil. It was just left vs right until he starts going full blown nigger territory.

mfw he's right

It's subjective, I don't find them particularly convincing

The same technique was used to discredit Derek's father in the film, where he made extremely valid points and then was featured in close-up using the word, "nigger."

>violence begets violence
>his younger brother is killed because... he had some beliefs I guess and also defended a weaker white kid who was being bullied and physically dominated by the blacks, not even using overt violence to stop it but blowing smoke in his face
>the black kid blows him away for this
>violence begets violence
JUST SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER DAY IN AMERICA WHERE SOME WHITE IS BEING VICIOUSLY MURDERED BY A NEGRO? UM...???

I remember it like this. They showed him as big racist ape for the whole movie, and the dad scene at the end was so fucking hacky. Same with pic related. Is there any films that depict ideologies with any bit of nuance?

The father's speech was spot on. Having a job where your life is on the line but having to depend on guys far less qualified than other applicants who got in only because of they're skin colour.

this movie was just propoganda..oh look some good points made that we cant refute? lets associate those points with violent and confrontational behavior and make the character regret it as if that demonizes the presentation

>Derek's son had never been violent before

>Derrick makes a series of coherent, valid points...
He doesnt. The Jew counters it immediately with the fact that the US has a serious problem with police harassing and even provoking black people non-stop and then blacks getting much harsher sentences for the exact same crime as non-blacks.

Same with women actually, while were at it. Women get much more leniency than men.

Furthermore, accumulative wealth since 140 years of slavery is non existent, since it wasnt all sunshine and roses for the blacks. Segregation and apartheid-tier restrictions, not to mention lynchings etc. didnt allow for blacks to climb out of the lowest possible socio-economic caste.

Dont forget that Selma was 50 years ago.

Lastly, none of what I write will be acknowledged by you, or even accepted as an argument (let alone truth or fact, which it is), so Im gonna go to bed. Its late over here in the 1st world.

Food for thought.

Interesting how they depicted the Jew as blending into the white group, spouting off liberal propaganda and eventually screaming about anti-semitism.

I'm speaking about the original ending in which Edward Norton shaves his head again and it's implied he probably intends to kill those niggers. Also what the director said word for word.

FUCKING KIKES WITH THEIR HOLLYWOOD PROPAGANDA TRYING TO TURN US INTO NATSOC RACISTS AND ANTISEMITES REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

What about all those white guys at corporate that get there because they are white get the fuck out of here

do you think he got creampied in the showers?

do you think he came during the rape?

>Women get much more leniency than men.
shut up shitlord

>the US has a serious problem with police harassing and even provoking black people non-stop and then blacks getting much harsher sentences for the exact same crime as non-blacks
[citation needed]
[citation needed]
[citation needed]

>Im scared I might get a rational counter argument so im leaving

His father didn't say anything wrong either until he discredited himself (in the eyes of lefties) by using "nigger."

Don't forget his dad who was shot while firefighting. Sure he said nigger in private, but is that really arguing that violence is merely cyclical? This movie is literally constantly people initiating violence on Derek and his family, down to the degenerate White losers in jail.

>hate begets hate huhuhuhu

Okay, but can you deny that Derek would just be a normal kid if the USA was 98% White?

>and then blacks getting much harsher sentences for the exact same crime as non-blacks.

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>can you deny that Derek would just be a normal kid if the USA was 98% White?
no and you can't state it, it's all mental gymnastics from this point onwards

>makes valid point
>says "nigger"
>now his point isn't valid

His argument in regards to police brutality was basically just retarded petulance and bootlicker nonsense.
>OH SO UR AN EXPERT? WHO IS ANYONE TO JUDGE A COP?

>using racial epithets unnecessarily after making a good point makes you look like a retard

And yet there are still none...

>uses valid argument
>says "white male"
>validates argument x100

I know it's fucking retarded
That's why I hate it so much. The movie makes him make valid points and then the only way to make him seem wrong is to make him say nigger

only to brainwashed leftists

buzzwords in general make you look like a retard and make me stop listening to whatever you're saying. If I smell racebaiting I'm out, I'm tired of this shit

Yes to both.

>the US has a serious problem with police harassing and even provoking black people
There is zero evidence to even suggest this is the case.

>the US has a serious problem with police harassing and even provoking black people non-stop and then blacks getting much harsher sentences for the exact same crime as non-blacks.
how did you find a way to post on Sup Forums when you live in the 1960's?

>violence begets violence

>firefighter killed by nigger for no reason
>son killed by a nigger for blowing smoke in his face
>older, balder son raped despite turning himself around

K. It still doesn't make their points invalid.

I hate when movies treat Nigger like an ineffable word that totally lowers your soul and makes you a goddamn monster.

Nigger is just the equivalent to White Trash. And honestly I hate White Trash more than Niggers because Niggers at least have funny personalities. White Trash are just stupid and gross.

If the US was 98% White people like Derek would find a more niche reason to hate.

>Hurr those fucking Irish aren't real whites!
>Fuck Catholics cuz...

And then they'd still have an apathetic hatred of non-whites.
>Hurr Murrica is #1, that means white race is superior

Don't be disingenuous, you know he is right about you never willing to even accept his arguments.

>Hurr Murrica is #1, that means white race is superior
>inb4 "but it's true!"

>If the US was 98% White people like Derek would find a more niche reason to hate.
That's not true in accordance with the film and isn't something you could possibly know about real people. It honestly just sounds like you dont like white people

Yeah, those asian owners of a convenience store totally deserved white trash destroying their business and physically assaulting and humiliating them.

the slight possibility that this isn't bait and actually exists because someone wrote this down on this board blows my mind

Everything in his post is right except for the first point though

get off Sup Forums you fucking nigger

You just need to look at history, or hell the fact that the KKK still hates Jews and Catholics both of which can pass off as what they'd consider "white".

You are honestly, without memeing, a sub 100 IQ spic. Do you seriously think you are making any sense? There are about 3000 kkk members today, in a country with 300,000,000 people

This movie is just super edgy compared to every other propaganda racial movie that comes out. It doesn't actually show Neo Nazis in a positive light at all. Derrick is meant to be a likable intelligent character, that's why he's so articulate. He's given an excuse to be a Neo Nazi because his dad was, and his dad was killed by a black. Every other Neo Nazi is portrayed as a total piece of shit who just hates group A for no rational reason. But Derrick is put in prison, raped by the ones he oppressed, and befriends a black man. Because he just never gave them a chance and was always so full of this irrational hate. But remember he's a smart guy who was indoctrinated, so he's capable of being saved. After getting woke he turns on his Neo Nazi pals and tries to save his brother. But it's too late, he couldn't save his brother from all the hate and he was a victim of his own creation because he sometimes kinda antagonized some black peers.

The movie is pozzed as fuck. The message is that you need to get raped and befriend black people if you ever committed the sin of racism, and blacks being violent is the fault of white people. Derrick didn't even say any edgy things, he just recited articulate counter narratives.

>haven't watched this movie since it came out when I was a teenager
>remember thinking how fucking awful and a monster the main character was when I first watched it
>tfw those things he's saying are points that I try to get across to people now

I don't know who I am anymore.

>or hell the fact that the KKK still hates
>KKK
>still
White Nationalism is fucking dead m8.

>but but muh Sup Forums
>but but muh Richard Spencer

Take this Vox video, and replace the word Antifa with White Nationalist and things get put in perspective. youtube.com/watch?v=7TJOjAKL7Qs

Both groups are literal fucking fringes of society that media over represents because they create outrage porn and get views. America is safer than ever but media makes you think we're living in the 70s again.

his first point is correct

Yeah because I'm sure other white supremacist groups are just filled with religious tolerance and see all pale skinned ethnicity as "white".

You retards live in a delusion.

Finally someone talking some sense

The problem is people are buying into the illusion due to the media sensationalizing it. It's clearly being pushed intentionally. Whether or not there is a deeper motive other than ratings is up for debate

No it isn't. The whole thing about blacks not accumulating wealth is wrong because there has been a black middle class for over a hundred years. However this fact gets glossed over because it is more politically expedient to pretend that 100% of blacks lived in abject poverty and desperation until the Civil Rights era

For every 1 radical there a 1000 who support them. You're a moron if you think this country isn't divided as fuck.

Whew, that reddit spacing...

not him but saying that is like saying "you won't accept the truth" and is incredibly self righteous.

asian owners who illegally hire illegal immigrants

>there has been a black middle class for over a hundred years
you're almost overrepreseting it with your post,the vast majority of blacks was living in poverty, just like people of different origins but with the bonus of slavery

>The movie is pozzed as fuck. The message is that you need to get raped and befriend black people if you ever committed the sin of racism, and blacks being violent is the fault of white people. Derrick didn't even say any edgy things, he just recited articulate counter narratives.

Not really, or at least that wasn't the director's intention. In the original script Derrick turns back into a Nazi at the end. It was only changed because Edward Norton and some of the people at New Line cinema did not like this, and basically stole creative control of the film and reedited it into the final cut we all saw. The director got so pissed by this because it completely altered the message of the film that he wanted to remove his name from the credits and the icing on the shit sundae is that after everything they did to his film they wouldn't let him remove his credit and his name still appears.

The irony of all this is that the director is a Jew and Edward Norton isn't. This is one of those cases where a Jew tried to be redpilled and a white guy bluepilled the fuck out of his work and framed him for it.

>blacks build a middle class
>whites tear it the fuck down, leaving 10,000 homeless, killing 300 and causing millions in property damage
>all because blacks formed a counter mob so the white mob didn't lynch a black in court for rape
>nearly all the rioters get off scott-free because fuck justice

Ah yes, truly white dominated society is a utopia.

What other white supremacist groups? You honestly don't know what you are saying and are making assumptions based on what you think. You are quite literally delusional

>implying Irish are white
>implying "white" is anything other than a term made to unify multiple ethnicities into one boring nothings
>implying hating people within your own race for not being part of your specific group is bad

>well-organized posts are "reddit spacing"

i miss old Sup Forums

>movie shows some examples of propaganda, intending it to be in a negative light
>brainlets swallow it up and ask for more
You guys are always so happy to point out the jew and leftist propaganda and how it doesn't fool you while at the same time letting yourself get swept up in the propaganda of others just because they gave you something to focus on

>all because blacks formed a counter mob so the white mob didn't lynch a black in court
>for rape
it's like poetry, it rhymes

>implying hating people within your own race for not being part of your specific group is bad
that's what niggers do

>blacks
>building
Don't lie now user

youtu.be/eilDS0IKhLE
Why are nazis such stupid hotheads?

alright fast forward 100 years
now who's stopping blacks from addressing problems in and improving their communities?

Talking shit semi-anonymously on Sup Forums, Reddit, Youtube doesn't make you a supporter of whatever fringe you're supporting.

I'll jump on Sup Forums threads and start roleplaying on as a Skinhead (or a Jew) just for the (You)s. I'm not joining no civil war.

Once you get out of college you'll realize that the Apathy Party is still the biggest group.

Not hating each other the way niggers do it though, the way that Asians and Eastern Europeans do
The "I'm just a pure version of you" hating, but not actually killing each other

>then randomly discredits himself by getting violent.

You mean like real white supremacists?

>hurr innocent until proven guilty only applies to pigskins like me!
>durr hanging a man in a mob without proving his guilt is civilized if a cumskin does it!

Kill yourself

The point is the final product is not anything positive for the right wing and it's dumb to suggest that.

>black people commit more crimes so we'll most effectively utilize our resources by putting more police there

or

>placing more police in black neighborhoods makes them over-represented in crime statistics

That's the issue really.

>>Once you get out of college
>projecting all this shit
no offense, kiddo

>T..this horrible event existed in a bubble! Outside of this blacks have been treated even steven.

Hang yourself on that rope you love to talk about.

>the Apathy party
Aka the "I'm a coward who just wants the status quo" party

nice strawman faggot, you still didn't answer my question

>Segregation and apartheid-tier restrictions, not to mention lynchings etc. didnt allow for blacks to climb out of the lowest possible socio-economic caste.

This is objectively false and it is especially ironic that the #woke crowd tries to argue that it is true because so much of black American culture was created by the black middle class; men like W.E.B. DuBois weren't sharecroppers and Pookie et al. weren't the ones behind the Harlem Renaissance. Again pretending like black America has always been poor helpless victims is simply a "game" run on the naive for the sake of politics.

This poster is so embarrassing. He's genuinely too stupid to refute core arguments so he just makes things up

idiot

I dunno maybe you live in a shithole area like a Liberal run city or a College Town.

Whatever the case is there's no Civil War, and Trump will be reelected unless the Democrats find a way pick a populist candidate which feels unlikely as they're committed to destroying themselves.

Would I like change sure, but I don't have the power.

This shit isn't really up for debate. Violent crime is not a consequence of police doing their job. Stop and frisk has nothing to do with the murder rates. The "issue" is people trying to rationalize these facts. Black people commit more crime across the board than any other racial demographic by a significant margin. That is a fact. A cold hard by the numbers fact that can't be twisted into anything else.

This. The movie is actually pretty redpilled as it portrays niggers in a realistic scenarios (like killing someone for blowing smoke on your face and that's justifiable because he is black and oppressed, I guess), but at the same time the movie tries to lecture you about how bad Derek's views are just because he was racist to the 'people of color'

Unironic nigger apologists make me sick.

Look I'm not gonna fucking defend ghetto culture nor do I have an answer why they can't shake it off. But fuck off with this wording like it's entirely the fault of blacks. Until the 60s they were essentially second hand citizens sprinkled with major events like the Tulsa riots fucking up any progress they may have made.

Whites have their hand in creating niggers, so get off your fucking high horse and help raise them up if you really care about this shit hole of a country and not just your paler citizens.

>get off your fucking high horse and help raise them up
fucking weird how no other group has needed to be "lifted up" even under similar circumstances

So it's the burden of whites to "raise up" minority groups why?

>an event that happened nearly a century ago is why blacks are still acting like a subspecies

And the Japanese were robbed of their entire lives, rounded up, and treated like fucking livestock less than 80 years ago, yet somehow they've managed to assimilate into American society and be successful and not turn every community they live in into a ghetto.

Black people have certainly received the short end of the stick throughout most of American history and anyone who denies that is a moron, but black people born after 1970 have literally no excuse for being worthless degenerate destructive dependent pieces of shit yet a disproportionate percentage of them are. Even with all the programs in place to help them they still end up doing worse than members of other races who are far worse off than them.

Democrats are.

>Feign wanting diversity
>Make social welfare benefits that encourage single mothers by giving more money and benefits to single mothers and increase said benefits for each kid the mother has.
>Preach wanting more diverse communities and how our culture is a melting pot of different cultures and its a good thing
>Pass laws/city ordinances that make it illegal to "discriminate" against renters/prospective home buyers.
>Pass laws/city ordinances that change zoning laws to allow low income housing and HUD approved housing to be built in middle class housing projects.
>Pass laws that force banks to give homeowner loans to poor black people knowing they will never be able to eventually pay the loan payment increase (finance charges) when it hits after 5 years.
>5 years is enough time to shit up a nice middle class, mostly white community with drugs, prostitution, and violent crime.
>After seeing the changes, the middle class white people in the community move, leaving unoccupied abandoned houses
>Abandoned houses bring more crime, drugs prostitution.
>Now that most of the middle class white people have moved out of the neighborhood and property value is in the shitter, local Democrat politicians promise to crack down on crime.
>Police crack down on all crimes, huge numbers of black people get arrested (because they are the majority of the community now).
>Rich Democrats that started the diversity campaign for the city now buy up huge swaths of land, while the banks evict the black people that now can't afford their loans, and announce it's time to "Regentrify" the neighborhood.

Democrats are the answer you are looking for.

When people just use emotion to deal with topics and refuse facts, it's hard not to get angry.. That's all the left do, fight back with emotion, no facts or stats.

Honestly your post is the end goal to my attempts at devil's advocate for blacks. Like I said, I don't like niggers and out of all poor groups they scare me the most in terms of expecting violence coming from them over petty reasons. But people are fucking dumbfucks if they don't think blacks as recent as the 70s didn't get hit with the shitstick.

t. Antifa

>make a mess
>wtf why do I have to clean it up

no

>black people dont have agency and are just objects to be acted upon by the white man
found the racist