Blade Runner 2049 - ACTUAL best girl edition:

Jonathan Carter
Jonathan Carter

Part II

Why didn't you help her?
CELLS

Aiden Adams
Aiden Adams

Do all JOI look the same or can you customize them?

Juan Miller
Juan Miller

Joi is surely a nice thing to have but late at night when it's cold and lonely you need Luv to squeeze you tight.

Lucas Morris
Lucas Morris

he was literally only 4 years old or something

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

Something I find interesting is when K meets that human technician at Wallace Corp. The guy talks about the black out and how is the mother still cries over the lost baby pictures.

This is interesting to me because in Blade Runner the replicants cherish their personhood and humanity by collecting photographs... which a few short years later millions of humans are then robbed of. Where they robbed of their humanity? Certainly that technician looked more like what you imagine a replicant to be than a person... yet he is fully human.

Oliver Adams
Oliver Adams

The menu interface suggests total customization.

Jordan Brooks
Jordan Brooks

I can't believe this guy is making dune. We're finally gonna have a good Dune movie.

Also guy from previous thread who just saw it tonight with his friends that hated it. How do I convince my friends that this was a good movie? They stated that at the very least, they are willing to go back and watch the original blade runner. Do you think they would have liked 2049 more if they saw the first movie? I personally do not like the original.

Logan Howard
Logan Howard

how does it feel to stare at Luv's ass?
within cells

Dominic Reed
Dominic Reed

/tv/thread/89219137#p89225777 (You)
i feel like the widespread existence of a product like joi might put a wedge into that demographic

Definitely, but there must still be some. I wonder what a replicant would feel about such people, if anything at all. I haven't watched the anime short, only read the synopsis, but from the sound of it Trixie's feelings on her patsy are ambiguous.

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

I want Luv to choke me right to the brink of death for her amusement only to have her then make me a nice meal and snuggle up as we watch some movies or spin some Bing Crosby records.

Isaac Thomas
Isaac Thomas

Wallace designed that ass personally. It must be special. I wonder if he designed *my* ass personally…

David Clark
David Clark

If they didn't like 2049 for the lack of action scenes there is no way they would like the original.

Wyatt Ross
Wyatt Ross

it better be fucking 6 hours long
it will be males only
ill bring my piss jug

Jordan Morales
Jordan Morales

You can't convince somebody to like something. Maybe you can convince them that the movie is technically well made but not for them. I can appreciate movies that I don't enjoy because I can recognize effort, intelligence, creativity, and meaning in something that I don't myself care for. Perhaps your friends can do this?

Austin Ramirez
Austin Ramirez

Don't make me feel that feel you son of a bitch. Interlinked.

Leo Anderson
Leo Anderson

Just give them some time. It gets better with reflection. The first time you see it, it can just seem too long and drawn out. It gets better the more you go back and think about it.

Jordan Jackson
Jordan Jackson

Why is no one actually from Sup Forums praising this flick?

John White
John White

Pretty sad that Luv desires to be loved, to be told, "I love you" even, and daily she gets to hear herself casually referred to as "love". A nickname that many people adopt for their partner for casual use.

"Sit down and talk for a bit, love?"
"What's bothering you, love?"
"Coming to bed, love?"

Luv hears this kind of thing constantly but knows that isn't the meaning in her case.

Must hurt.

Christian Baker
Christian Baker

actually from Sup Forums
What did he mean by this?

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

i suspect 50% of Sup Forums have yet to see it.

Brayden White
Brayden White

how the hell does the emanator work? It can project Joi through solid objects

Mason Nguyen
Mason Nguyen

I honestly didn't want 2049 to end. I wanted it to keep going and going and going. I fucking doubt Dune is gonna be three hours long let alone six. After 2049 bombing, the director is gonna try to make the length more appealing to the masses.

True. I'll let them sleep on it. Maybe they'll reflect on the movie in their sleep. Maybe they'll dream about the movie and their thoughts on it. Maybe they'll dream about electric sheep. I'll ask them at breakfast tomorrow if they consider a well-made movie but just not for them.

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

Love hurts.
Love scars.
Love wounds.
And mars.

Within cells.

Matthew Allen
Matthew Allen

R-Rachel!?

Joseph Price
Joseph Price

It's a fictional product, it doesn't matter.

Owen Gonzalez
Owen Gonzalez

Very true. No one can say honestly that this movie wasn't made well on a technical level. But there are some movies like "NATAS The Reflection" which are utter pieces of shit from all angles. Or many of the Asylum releases which are clear ripoffs of current blockbusters are made with the sole intention of tricking people and squeezing as much money as possible from those suckers. That kind of filmmaking is malicious and an insult to the craft.

Luis Jenkins
Luis Jenkins

AAAA WTF IS THAT THIGN

Gabriel Myers
Gabriel Myers

Sup Forums posters
not retards from other boards posting on Sup Forums posters

Adrian Thompson
Adrian Thompson

Interrogator: Officer K-D-six-dash-three-dot-seven, let's begin. Ready?
K: Yes, sir.
Recite your baseline.
And blood-black nothingness began to spin... A system of cells interlinked within cells interlinked within cells interlinked within one stem... And dreadfully distinct against the dark, a tall white fountain played.
Cells.
Cells.
Have you ever been in an institution? Cells.
Cells.
Do they keep you in a cell? Cells.
Cells.
When you're not performing your duties do they keep you in a little box? Cells.
Cells.
Interlinked.
Interlinked.
What's it like to hold the hand of someone you love? Interlinked.
Interlinked.
Did they teach you how to feel finger to finger? Interlinked.
Interlinked.
Do you long for having your heart interlinked? Interlinked.
Interlinked.
Do you dream about being interlinked... ?
Interlinked.
What's it like to hold your child in your arms? Interlinked.
Interlinked.
Do you feel that there's a part of you that's missing? Interlinked.
Interlinked.
Within cells interlinked.
Within cells interlinked.
Why don't you say that three times: Within cells interlinked.
Within cells interlinked. Within cells interlinked. Within cells interlinked.
We're done... Constant K, you can pick up your bonus.

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

Do you dream about being interlinked... ?
What did he mean by this?

Brayden Moore
Brayden Moore

it emanates

Samuel Russell
Samuel Russell

Ridley couldn't help himself from tying Blade Runner to his Alien universe.

Daniel Cook
Daniel Cook

Do you even know where you are, Drive was /tv/s favorite movie back then, this is like Drive + Blade Runner, it's consistent with Sup Forums

Christopher Thomas
Christopher Thomas

Besides the fact cells and interlinked are suppose to be like a form of hypnosis to keep replicants in check, i don't really understand this scene. Is there a good analysis on it somewhere on youtube?

Alexander Flores
Alexander Flores

The guy giving K these tests has become one of my favorite characters, even though he is unnamed and never appears on screen.

An user pointed out how the person giving these tests needs to be totally unbiased towards replciants; neither hating nor really sympathizing with them. They have to ask them neutral questions but then throw in stabbing, emotionally charged or hostile questions, all with the intent to throw the replicant off. If it works too many times the replicant could be killed.

Yet the test giver seems to have given K a nickname, which implies familiarity and a degree of affinity or respect, and when K eventually fails the test their is a brief silence before he calls the result which could be interpreted to infer a level of genuine concern.

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

they put him in a little stressbox and rapidly ask pointed questions to make sure he can repeat the proper phase without being emotionally affected by the situation or the implications

Carson Ward
Carson Ward

Do you have the second interrogation dialogue?

Owen Rogers
Owen Rogers

But they also scan his heartbeat, pupils, brain activity etc.
He will give red flags if he's emotionally compromised.

Caleb Parker
Caleb Parker

Were you even here for that? Drive was hated by everyone outside of /tv/(unlike this piece of shit). After it became a kool ebin meme screencap thing you could pick up on reddits Sup Forums forum is when everyone else jumped on it

Gabriel Williams
Gabriel Williams

it's similar to a voight-kampff in that regard, although it's looking for the opposite result

Levi Collins
Levi Collins

So the JOI billboard was based off that MEMEME animation right ? The colors are almost exact.

Noah Mitchell
Noah Mitchell

What I don't get is how did Deckard's daughter make her own memory and give it to K? It's illegal and plus wouldn't she have known she's using her own memory?

Jordan Jones
Jordan Jones

user explained it in the previous thread I think

it just asks you to respond with a command (within cells interlinked) and measures your response time.It gives you prompts that would evoke emotions or an emotional response.

Ideally you'd respond like a robot - the exact same way no matter what is being said. If emotions arise the response time is altered, like when he was way off baseline in the second test.

Oliver Young
Oliver Young

Choose

Asher Bennett
Asher Bennett

Easy. The best one.

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

I thought the test guy was Domhnall Gleeson from Ex Machina, his voice sounds pretty similar and it would be interesting for him to be in two movies about AI gfs.

Asher Fisher
Asher Fisher

what the fuck happened to jared leto's character

Carter Wright
Carter Wright

Me personally, the right

Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

(unlike this piece of shit)

Jose Cooper
Jose Cooper

He's probably just still doing his thing, seeing if he can make fertile replicants.

John Howard
John Howard

Ana > Hoeks > Mackenzie

Liam Butler
Liam Butler

Mackenzie

I want those legs around me and I'm tall enough for her

Jace Fisher
Jace Fisher

Hoeks.

Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

What was K feeling when he saw the giant billboard Joi that talked to him? Was he starting to think that joi wasnt really valid or was it that in that moment he became determined to make his own decisions and not be a tool of any factions

Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

Obviously the one that can gouge my fucking eyes out but won't.

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

so why was rachel fertile? how did deckard impregnate her? how is the daughter able to age if she's a replicant (sorta anyway)?

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

the relationships between k and the human cops he worked closely with were pretty interesting, i would've liked to see more, maybe in a short.

Connor Jones
Connor Jones

Cause Tyrell made her that way
Penis in vagina.
Replicants are synthetic humans. They are made of the same shit humans are made of just enhanced.

Gavin Price
Gavin Price

Because Tyrell designed her to be fertile, and compatible with human sperm, and because the age restriction was artificially imposed.

Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

mackenzi

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

She made it just like any other memory.
She never gave it to K, it was implanted in him by the people who made him which was Wallace corp.

She knows it's illegal but she couldn't resist putting in a real one along with all the fakes ones.

She knows it's hers that's why she cries

Brody Williams
Brody Williams

Tbh the part is left for interpretation. However, it was a moment that changed him and lead him to his action at the end.

Ayden Davis
Ayden Davis

Does this mean other replicants are possibly fertile?

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

I'd rather have a pure virgin replicant gf with the perfect body who will always be loyal to me but still have her own feelings than a regular boring old human woman (or especially more than a fake AI who will love me no matter what I do.)

Ian Brown
Ian Brown

Not unless they came off the same production line as Rachel. Which begs the question why Wallace can't just clone her to get that ability.

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

Agreed.

Maybe extend the arrest scene so we actually see him get cuffed and put in the back of a police spinner.

Jace Bell
Jace Bell

Rachel was special to Tyrell. He modeled her after his niece, didn't tell her she was a replicant. She was the most advanced model, so I think the answer is no

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

Tyrell made her fertile but the knowledge how to died with him so probably no.

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

original had a human fall in love with a replicant
2049 has a replicant fall in love with a hologram
blade runner 3 will have a hologram fall in love with a _______

Julian Gutierrez
Julian Gutierrez

Do you dream about having your life interlinked with someone else, someone you love?

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

The feelings aren't genuine if they are programmed in.

Or are they?

If she has no freedom I have no interest. In that case I'm content just imagining companionship when it strikes me.

Would totally love to fall for a girl only to later find out she's a replicant. Very hot.

Brandon White
Brandon White

Human.

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

Human emotions are as programmed as any other conceivable type just at a level of complexity we can't reproduce technologically.

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

anime pillow

Connor Bell
Connor Bell

So is Deckard a human or replicant? Cause when K meets with the others they said this could make them superior to the humans but the only way that'd be possible is if it is possible for two replicants to have kids. If he isn't then that would mean they'd still need humans right?

Joshua Hall
Joshua Hall

then I would ask you what are your thoughts? I considered that he thought that Joi was just a distraction "whatever you want hear, whatever yo want her to be" but then that sort of seems odd to have running alongside the theme that there is no real difference between life

Cameron Ortiz
Cameron Ortiz

atari 2600

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

So K is just a normal replicant then right?

Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes

Wallace doesn't even know.

Alexander Bailey
Alexander Bailey

It was a reminder that his entire life, including his love life, was manufactured. It was predetermined, designed.

Joi was nothing more than a hologram with imbued artificial intelligence. In the beginning of the movie, he acknowledges this and even embraces it a bit. He doesn't mind when people comment on his affinity for it. He treats it like a secretive hobby, something he enjoys but knows has no ''real'' meaning. Something for him personally.

It changes during the midpoint of the movie when he starts relating his actual thoughts and feelings. She begins to actually convey more nuanced empathy, acting sorrowful, willingly putting herself in harm's way, actually acting not as a household item/toy that he finds himself enjoying, but actually forming a deep, emotional connection with. When she is finally destroyed, he feels immense sorrow and deep pain like any human being would; despite being a mere projection, she provided emotional stability to his life and was genuinely, potentially, the only thing that loved him.

When he was on the bridge and he viewed the advertisement of Joi, he felt robbed. When the advertisement actually said he looked like a 'Joe,' it was a vicious punch to the gut; it meant that his specific girlfriend, Joi, was pre-programmed all along to give him a name, to personalize the target/individual, et cetera. It was in that moment it dawned upon him that everything, absolutely everything in his life, was a lie; it was a delusion. Everything was a fabrication. He had just learned that he was not special, that he was not born, but made like any other replicant; at the very least, he thought, that his emotional tie to Joi was somewhat realistic. It was the only thing he could cling to.

When the advertisement was shown and taunted him, he felt robbed of even that. Everything in his life, absolutely everything, was a facade. None of it was real. Even his most prized connection wasn't real.

Jason Cox
Jason Cox

That's the big question. It's not really told

Noah Hernandez
Noah Hernandez

The whole test is longer and has other phrase as well

Cell and interlink are highlight because it is the focus of K character’s personal conflict. Cell is a prison that K feel that he’s trapped in, his job, his disposition, his standing in the world. Interlinked refers to K’s desperation to find someone or something to connect/attach to.

Isaiah Nguyen
Isaiah Nguyen

There is that randomness though which makes it more authentic.

Is it the same to see a shooting star that is artificially produced on command, or to happen to look up at the right moment and see one occurring naturally?

Nathan Martin
Nathan Martin

It was a reminder that his entire life, including his love life, was manufactured. It was predetermined, designed.

Just like Deckard's love for Rachel whether he himself is a replicant or not. It doesn't really matter because it can be said that he only loved something that was designed to be loved by him. That he was tricked.

Luke Perry
Luke Perry

Nice point.

Liam Williams
Liam Williams

what race should we call the half-replicant, half-human daughter?

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

This. When Deckard said why he did what he did you can tell it hurt him that he wasn't the kid. He wanted to feel important and have that purpose. Since that was fake he felt unwanted and unimportant

Isaac Murphy
Isaac Murphy

contrived

Isaiah Sanders
Isaiah Sanders

I doubt Deckard is a replicant because he is constantly getting his ass handed to him by replicants.

Dylan Rivera
Dylan Rivera

it seemed more like they just ordered him back to the station, since he wasn't even disarmed before joshi called him into her office.

which is a pretty bad protocol when you have a potentially belligerent superhuman officer on your hands but some things gotta happen for narrative convenience

Julian Bell
Julian Bell

Now, that being said, what makes this all the more puzzling is ~his~ version of Joi.

Although preprogrammed with certain characteristics, she seemingly evolves throughout the movie as a complex entity. In her own way, Joi lives vicariously through K. When she realizes that he could actually be "real," someone born, she herself lights up. This is significant for her in a way, because in some sense, it makes her real. That being said, she is pre-programmed to care for him always, to make him feel special. It's up to interpretation how the viewer wants to feel about this aspect.

I think the defining moment for her is when she actually instructs K to place her in the emanator. She realizes the potential consequences and the fallout if they are caught, yet willingly takes the risk to destroy her own life in the process. She is shown to be self sacrificial, a trait that I'm not quite sure that Wallace necessarily wanted in the program.

In short, the way I see it? She evolved from her standard AI programming. She acknowledged, at one point, what she was; she said she was nothing more than 1's and 0's, casually reminding both of them of the fact that she's a mere holographic projection. But later on, when she announces to K her love for him and her willingness to actually die for him, she's inherently making a move for free will.

One could, on the other hand, argue that even that is pre-programmed; that she only calculated probabilities on what K would've truly wanted and hence, chose that option as that would best make him the most happy. Now, that being said, it's a bit tricky because she actually COERCES K to do this; it is not a request, but a very subtle command. It's gentle, but it's a command nonetheless; she even instructs him to break the antenna.

It's an incredibly powerful scene that's underrated. In that one scene, she becomes her own agent and takes hold of her own destiny.

Andrew Hughes
Andrew Hughes

Terran

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

1. Dr. Stelline
2. Slime girl
3. Joi
4. Joshi
5. Luv
6. Priss
7. Zhora
8. Mariette
9. Rachel

Ethan Wilson
Ethan Wilson

But he's also able to handle his own with other replicant

Tyler Davis
Tyler Davis

This is the correct interpretation.
Person who's programmed AI will not see it this way, but this is a movie and this is the Blade Runner universe. It's not really based in reality.
She evolved alongside K. Even though they're both made and programmed they both went beyond their programming even if it was all not true in the end, they believed it to be true and acted like it was true, so what really is the difference.
At the bridge he's reflecting on that, the advertisement was not his joi and could never replace her, he felt actual loss

Henry Ramirez
Henry Ramirez

This is essentially the original Voight-Kaumpf test that was used in Blade Runner to identify Replicants, just beefed up and specified for Replicant emotions. We're at the point in replicant engineering now that emotionally we can use this hyper-aggressive test to keep them in check, especially being a replicant having to retire other replicants, heavy shit.

Jaxson Green
Jaxson Green

The way its paired with Deckard rejecting the Rachael copy backs that up imo. The emphasis on an exact copy still being unable to capture the transient emotion of their connection

Jason Barnes
Jason Barnes

I don't subscribe to the theory that Deckard is a replicant, either. Deckard is a very emotive character. In the original, he expresses fear, pain, anxiety and intensity unlike the other replicants. In addition to that, he is consistently outmatched by physicality, unable to even pull himself out of harm's way. He was about to be killed by one replicant, in particular, until Rachael saved his life.

Deckard falling in love with Rachael had nothing to do with pre-programming, in my opinion. As ridiculous as this might sound, especially with the many layers of complexity in the film, I think Deckard's love and infatuation for Rachael was something not manufactured, but derived from the deep recesses of his ''soul.'' This is getting a bit personal, but there are times in life where you meet certain people that simply take your breath away. It's not first love (I don't believe in that), but it's something a bit similar. It's that new transfer girl who walked in your class, who had brunette hair and stark blue eyes that made you realize that everything in your life was meaningless before them; it's that girl who brushes past you as you two make eye contact momentarily; it's that person who you may meet in a cafe, library or classroom whose manner of speaking of sitting simultaneously perplexes you and pulls you in. These moments are typically fleeting, but when you can capture them and extend them for periods of time, you never let go.

That's what happened with Deckard and Rachael. This is one of the most emotional and humane things to occur within Blade Runner; it's why Deckard replied to Wallace ''I know what's real'' when Wallace tried to make it something manufactured and/or fake.

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

Concept

Andrew Harris
Andrew Harris

tfw K ends up just being every other replicant with nothing special or having someone to love
This was gut punching

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

This movie would have been better if nearly all characters were gender-flipped.

K's bitch dyke boss replaced with an actual butch man with a drinking problem
jared leto's bitch dyke replicant replaced by an actually intimidating male replicant
jared leto replaced by a psycho woman with a god complex or in this case mother earth complex
joi replaced by a cute male trap

Samuel Edwards
Samuel Edwards

joi replaced by a cute male trap
boi

Jaxson Young
Jaxson Young

That's a no from me, dawg.

Julian Perez
Julian Perez

Well that touches on the whole "lone Blade Runner" thing. I understand Blade Runners acting like detectives and sniffing out where a replicant is, but it would make more sense if once they had confirmation on the replicant's location that they'd call in SWAT to lock the place down and subdue the suspected replicant if not neutralize it.

James Cook
James Cook

thematics and aesthetics are more important than making sure every aspect of something holds up to pointless practicality nitpicks

Juan Flores
Juan Flores

THANK YOU. Just finished the movie and this was the exact conclusion I reached. With so much of the plot focusing on replicant issues, it was nice to see Joi become an "evolving" character to put the bigger human v replicant issue into perspective. She reached beyond her programming and became a unique companion to K, just like Rachel with Deckard. I think it's even more relevant since the hologram jumbo Joi was right around the time they showed Deckard rejecting the copycat Rachel.

All of K's experiences with his Joi made her special, and she herself started leaving the confines of her programming. It's not that hard to think an AI from Wallace could start doing things of it's own volition, however biased it was from the onset. That makes it all the more tragic; she truly cared for her owner, the only thing close to affection K receives. Yet in the end he can never get her back, as they both knew the risk of her going off the grid into his emanator.

Add the punch that he just sits around at the end dying, Deckard rushing off to meet his daughter. He died alone, but at least he died doing what he wanted to do. No Joshi, Resistance Lady or others calling the shots. Oh fuck the feels are coming along.

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

Replican.

Thomas Perez
Thomas Perez

this is the only tight squeezing necessary

kill the obnoxious evil bitch

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

What didn't they like about it?

Sebastian Sanders
Sebastian Sanders

Truly best grill. Dubs prove it.

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