WHEN WILL SOMEBODY MAKE A FILM ABOUT THESE MOTHERFUCKERS

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meme empire

1453 best year of my life

You call this art? I could have made this shit in 2nd grade

easy to duplicate, creating is a whole different story

OTTOMANS GET OUT REEEEEEEEEEE

daily reminder the byzantines were not romans

>he thinks making mosaics is easy
It isn't.

Turks made 1453 films, watch those.

Because raid wasn't invented yet?

>when you ask a turk for directions to jerusalem and end up in constantinople

A series about Justinian, Basill II or Alexios could work pretty well desu.

If I want to watch a movie about some attention-craving whore, I'll watch porn

t. Macedon shit

t. Gelimer

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>"""""""Saint"""""""" Theodora

Nice system of beatification you got there, "one" "catholic" Church of "Rome" lmao @ ur slut saints

ITT: Turkroaches and heretics

A whole empire just based on putting your feet up

daily reminder the byzantines had it all coming, threw their weight around on allies and reaped what they sowed

The Ottomans aren't the Byzantines, dumbass

You do realize she's venerated by the eastern catholic churches as well?

>justinian
Just have peter jackson direct the fall already, written by mel gibson

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Is there anything more pathetic than Byzantine LARPing? the Holy "Roman Empire"

Why would you want to watch the fall?

>Byzantine
>Pathetic
t. roach

Explain the differences to a retard (me)

Roman Empire
Byzantine
Ottomans

I'm confused how the Byzantine and turks were different.

The Roman Empire is the original, and then Constantine split it into two, creating the western Roman Empire and the eastern Byzantine Empire, the west being based in rome and the east being based in byzantium(constantinople)
the turks didn't come along until way after, they're the ones who killed the byzantines, basically

The split happend in the 300s A.D., the byzantine empire fell in 1453, although the byzantine empire didn't become independent of the western empire until the 500s

I need to read books on this.

Explain this then. Constantinople fell in the 4th crusade by the turks?

Not even close
The 4th crusade happened in 1202-1204 by the Crusaders, who were Catholic, the Turks took Constantinople in 1453, and changed it into Istanbul, meaning Into The City, the Turks were muslim, not catholic

Thanks. I'm getting my wiki reading confused. Last question.

Where did the 4th crusade happen and Why?

The Byzantines is a modern term for the Eastern Roman Empire. The Eastern Roman empire around the 7th century the Eastern Romans switched to Greek being their official language (throughout all of Roman history the aristocracy spoke and used Greek alongside Latin, but now most of the peasantry in the east were Greek). The Eastern Romans pulled out of Rome round the 8th century.
Basically from then on the West began to see the Eastern Romans as Greek.

The Ottomans were Turks, a people originally from Mongolia who by the medieval period were heavily Persianized. Who had settled in Anatolia and slowly ate away at Byzantium (the Eastern Roman empire). When they took Constantinople they claimed the title of emperor of the Romans, but no one really honored that.

Few notes:
After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Byzantines would have called them selves simply the Roman Empire, rather than the "Eastern Roman Empire."

Because at the time of Charlemagne the Byzantines were ruled by a woman and having religious differences with the west, the Pope decided to crown Charlemagne the Emperor of Rome, and the Holy Roman Empire was born. But it and the title basically fell out of use for like 200 years before being revived. The holy issue was very controversial for the Byzantines.

The HRE used the title of Emperor of Rome, while the Byzantines usually used the title of Emperor of the Romans.

I'm not entirely sure about why it happened but something about the crusade being meant for the holy land and being diverted to Constantinople instead, that's something I have to read up on as well
This user is correct

No you fool, during the 4th Crusade Latin Crusaders were waylaid by debts to their Venetian taxi drivers, who were supposed to take them to the holy land. The Latins didn't produce enough men to fill the ships the Venetians had set aside for the crusade, and, having nearly crippled their economy by means of procuring said ships, the Venetians were naturally unamused. So they used the Latin's military might to extract debt from a Christian Balkan city, and then it became clear only a great prize would settle scores, they set their sights on Constantinople. This was made convenient by Byzantine court politics, as a contender to the Roman throne was gladly willing to buddy up with the Latins to achieve his ends. He unfortunately for himself and his civilization, gravely miscalculated there, and long story short the Latins assaulted Constantinople, put him on the throne by means of military success, and when he didn't fork up the funds the Latins demanded, they sacked the city, and crippled Byzantium for good, setting the stage for the Turks to roll in and finish them off, 2 centuries later. And this is only after the Byzantines were able to knock a French Latin Emperor out of Constantinople, boot the Latins from their Crusader states in Greece (made from the cutting up of the empire by the Latins after the 4th Crusade), and unify the disparate Byzantine pretender states that came into being after the sack. The Byzantine Empire had a hard life.

Crusaders needed ships to get their armies to Egypt. Venetian sea jews offered them the ships but they crusaders couldn't pay. An exiled Byzantine emperor offered to pay them if they helped him re-take the city. They helped but he was super unpopular and was eventually killed. Now the crusaders had no benefactor and the Venetians wanted their money. So they decided to take Constantinople and create a Catholic empire.

Thanks

Ok this makes sense to me. I was very confused why there would have been a Latin crusade on Constantinople if it wasn't controlled by turks at this point.

>Eastern Catholic

lol its all the same diophysite TRASH

Daily reminder Justinian undermined Belisarius because he was jelly of his street cred leading directly to Italy being ruined for over a thousand years.

The Roman, "Byzantine", and Ottoman Empire are all the same thing, just successive regimes and varying cultures.

The Roman Empire fell in 1923

It really sucked that Alexios IV Angelos didn't work out. He basically promised full Byzantine commitment to the crusades. Before the Byzantines were only halfheartedly in it trying to play factions off each other to take more of their land back. But with full Byzantine and Crusader cooperation the holy lands and Anatolia could be Christian now. Maybe even Egypt, which at the time still had a sizable Coptic population.

Not that guy but the city never recovered from the 4th crusade. Constantinople was basically a ruin with a few thousand people when the Turks took it in 1453 (the walls were recently renovated though, but that's about it). The Turks almost immediately set to extensively rebuilding the city once they moved their capital there.

kek

>The Roman, "Byzantine", and Ottoman Empire are all the same thing, just successive regimes and varying cultures.

The Roman Empire fell in 1923

Imagine being this delusional

Legit think a series about the end of the Byzantines, that cuts between them and the ottomans would be great.

No. The Byzantines were a continuation of the Romans. They weren't foreign invaders. And there is no single point where you can say they have transitioned. They were just a civilization slowly changing over the course of 2 thousand years.

The Turks did not see themselves as Romans, although they said they now rule over them. Big difference. There isn't much continuity between Rome and the Ottomans. Even if the Ottomans had some Byzantine influence.

Not even close.
The Roman Catholic Church is the rightful heir to the Roman Empire.

Why won't the Greeks just pay debnts?

The Byzantines aren't the HRE, brainlet.

Roman Empire is generally what you think it is. Based from Italy, Colosseum, the roman myths and gods, marble statues, etc.

Byzantium was the Eastern Roman Empire with Constantinople (Istanbul today) as its capital. It continued after the OG Empire was raped by Germanics to death. It was never called the Byzantine Empire, historians just use it to differentiate the two.

Ottoman Empire came after the filthy fucking Seljuk T*rks came and ravaged Byzantium and sacked Constantinople. They considered themselves the continuation of the Roman Empire despite being Mudshits and ended up getting BTFO in WW1 and then dissolved a few years later after a civil war.

Since Russia is the Third Rome, if Putin became Tzar (Caesar) it could be seen as a continuation of Rome in a sense.

Made for the role

yes, many of us have read that book by Robert Graves. by the end of it i didn't think Belisarius was a hero - i was starting to think he was a distant ancestor of Dr Sheldon Cooper.

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Olive_Grove_of_Kountouras

Why cant infantry cucks even get close to harming knights?

>inb4 muh shock

lmao literally just hold ur ground

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Muret

LOL

The absolute state of HRE denial

Roach detected

what, of Belisarius?

Its too bad that civil war happened, this was the Allied plan for partition.

Because medieval European nobles/knights are the perfect mix of nigh unstoppable combat ability and rapacious greed. The debnts were never going to be paid in anything but fire and blood.

>International Zone
Kek. Someone was fucking high that day.

Still mad about Chalcedon Eutyches?

JUSTinian, not Braposaurus

>the Byzantines had it coming!
>literally wanting Muslim expansion into Europe to accelerate

Why did Constantinople get the reproach?

>not trying to nab a comfy crusader state
>not using the massive power disparity between your weaponry and prowess and that of the average greek peasant mob to bully debt cucks while you fuck their best women

What are you, a Cathar?

could have been cool. Like Shanghai at the time.

still paying for the golden slippers of the bishop in Rome, my cuçked friend?

/his/ did weird things to this site

I guess the eternal kraut got what it wanted in the end.

More like for the local clergy, but that's the bloody concordate for you.

>not just going full Varangian and slaying puss while you LARP as a Roman with your buds

LARPers is the only way to describe Varangians since they usually booked it whenever there was real fighting that wasn't looting.

Which goes to show only the knight stand head above other medieval warriors, literally two knights could shatter ten or twenty times their number of lesser foes, and did so again and again.

Until of course, Flemish cunts....

I've never read the novel, basing it on what Graves did though ie the letters.

Of course.
>wanting to risk your life in battle without the promise of riches and/or women

you don't "want to" but that's what you were hired to do.

>camera facing the water races across ocean, slowly pans up to see the Hippodrome and city approaching
>camera rises above the walls to see the stadium filled with tens of thousands
>camera continues forward, gliding down past the Spina, alongside the racing chariots, frenzied chanting heard
>cut to MEW running down the shadowy halls and stairways with maidens and guards
>faint chanting grows louder
>runs into a great hall, large wooden doors are slammed shut behind the group
>chanting grows louder
>MEW looks out window to reveal rising smoke and fleeing guards in the streets below
>"Nika! Nika! NIKA! NIKA!" as a massive crowd marches into the square
>camera pans to beautiful shot of Hagia Sophia as more smoke begins to rise around the city
>TITLE CARD

Which is why the Guard had a real salary unlike everyone else. The whole point is you pay them then they're loyal to you, booty or not.

This is why the Byzantines fell. Their armies had too many foreign mercenaries who were fair weather soldiers.
Sure the theme system had its issues with generals declaring themselves petty lords, but a native army is the best defense from foreign invaders.

wow

Byzantine fell because they trusted those fucking wops around their gold.

Better than the Praetorian Guard though.

Better to have them loyal to the throne instead of loyal to anyone that wants it.

underrated post

>Western Rome: Let's let all these Germans into our empire, they admire our culture and are willing to fight for us
>Sub-Roman Britain: Let's let all these Anglo-Saxons into our kingdom they'll fight for us
>Byzantium: Let's let these Turks cross the Bosphorus they'll fight for us
>America: Let's let all these Mexicans into our country, they admire our culture and want to work
>Europe: Let's let all these Muslims into our countries....

They were just assuming it would work because it worked for Cyrus, desu.

>Rome, Celtic Briton, and America are your ideas of wonderful places

lmao, read a book, its a good thing all those places got fucjed, hopefully Europe gets reformed too

You mean Cyrus's Greek mercenaries? Or his multi-ethnic army? Its different letting in foreigners than it is conquering foreign territory.

youtube.com/watch?v=-UI7Rh20fvs&t=344s

You should check Balkan cinema, I bet they made some movies about Greek-Roman Empire
Thank amerimutt for proving that you're a retard

Heraclius is the Roman emperor who REALLY deserves a movie.

Not going to lie I had to google but my first thought was "wasn't that the dude that fucking blew it against the arabs?"

>It's another amerifat just can't into art episode

Can you explain to me that "civil war"? this is the first time I'm hearing a war which turks fight against france, england and greece called "civil war".

He did blow it against the Arabs, but his greatness comes from his victory over the Persians in the Byzantine-Sasanian War or 602-628. Loses most of the empire to the Arabs was just a consequence of his living too long.

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im hard

no, finland is obviously the true heir to the roman empire.

>American education