HYPERSPACE RAM IT OFFICIALLY EXPLAINED

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

HYPERSPACE RAM IT OFFICIALLY EXPLAINED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09c0MXDxto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09c0MXDxto
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p09c0MXDxto
Question: How does hyperspace ramming work and why hasn't it been used before?

Answer: "We talked with this heavily with ian Johnson, we talked about what could and couldn't be done in the realm of star wars. The fact that the resistance cruiser and the destroyer are so close in size, obviously one's still much bigger but still, is kind of what allows you to have this titantic explosion that happens. If you fly an x-wing into a ship at high speeds you're not going to get anything."

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Robot_ramship
https://what-if.xkcd.com/20/
https://youtu.be/p09c0MXDxto?t=682
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCY84APh0XM
Easton Powell
Easton Powell

Why didn't they create a big ramming ship?

Charles Gomez
Charles Gomez

Fuck these movies

Samuel Rodriguez
Samuel Rodriguez

Why didn't they strap a hyperdrive to an asteroid or something?

James Morgan
James Morgan

That doesnt make any fucking sense. At hyperspeed the xwing would still drill a hole straight through it. Maybe a smaller hole, but there'd be a hole. If you aimed it precisely enough you could fuck stuff up real good.

Jacob Sanders
Jacob Sanders

ASSPULL

Blake Sanchez
Blake Sanchez

C'mon dude lol just turn your brain off

Jacob Hernandez
Jacob Hernandez

The size would make it less likely to do that based on the established hyperspace rules in Star Wars.
Did these people even watch the first one?

Gabriel Campbell
Gabriel Campbell

Shoot someone with a shotgun
LOL WHY ARE YOU DYING? THE PELLETS ARE SO MUCH SMALLER THAN YOU LOL, THEY WERENT EVEN GOING THAT FAST EITHER!

Why are leftists so stupid, Sup Forums?

Wyatt Morales
Wyatt Morales

But that doesn't answer the question. It doesn't explain how hyperspace rams work, or why it hasn't been done before. The answer is just saying "Here's why it did that much damage." Well no shit, a larger vessel will do damage relative to its size, that's perfectly obvious.

The answer doesn't explain shit.

Mason Martinez
Mason Martinez

Yeah that's why random fragments spreading out from the collision obliterate entire star destroyers lmao.

As expected the damage control is 100% hack mode.

Julian Martin
Julian Martin

But that doesn't explain anything...
Maybe I'm just the disgruntled older generation and should pretend these new movies don't exist.

Jason Butler
Jason Butler

Rian's trying to unring the bell
Poor guy.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

Testing ⭐

Nathan Bell
Nathan Bell

But there were two more cruisers that went down during the chase, couldn't one of those have been used to ram the FO ships?

Anyway fictional technical details aren't as important as the fact that the movie is still a poorly-edited mess.

Brody Campbell
Brody Campbell

because they're close in size except one is way bigger!
What did he mean by this?

Dominic Fisher
Dominic Fisher

hyperspace ram it is kind of fun to say, I'll give it that

Brayden James
Brayden James

being this much of a brainlet

Alexander Wright
Alexander Wright

watching youtube videos to explain your garbage flick
disney is finished

Austin Ward
Austin Ward

What, you want them to actually use science? To think?

Gavin Ortiz
Gavin Ortiz

it is the way of the future.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

Logan Long
Logan Long

So why not get some superdense materials, attach a hyperdrive to it, and boom, you've got cruise missiles that can fly across the galaxy.

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

How would you damage controlling cucks explain this then?

Would wipe out the entire planet by way of dropping a high density rod from orbit there's so much kinetic energy
A ship travelling at the speed of light wouldnt produce factors more kinetic energy than this

Unless that ship was somehow more resilliant than an entire planet lmao. Soy boys btfo!

Jaxson Thompson
Jaxson Thompson

who wont resistance use drones?

Luke Gray
Luke Gray

hurr it's bigger therefore it's more dangerous
Even a coin at light speed would wreck the moon dude

Adrian Cruz
Adrian Cruz

so close in size, obviously one's still much bigger
Raddus 3km in length
Snoke ship 60km wide
What? the ship she flew in was about 20x the size of hers. How is that in anyway close in size?

Benjamin Wood
Benjamin Wood

Why didn't Gandalf just hyperspace ram the eagles into Hogwarts?

Nathan Hill
Nathan Hill

trying to use science to find plot holes in a space fantasy film
What did the retards mean by this?

Noah Carter
Noah Carter

That's about a good an explanation as the one for why Kylo sucked at fighting Finn and Rey in TFA. In reality you can't write without pulling shit out of your ass when it's convenient.

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

why would it? if shields and materials are strong enough, it would just explode on impact and leave only a crater on the surface

Nicholas Ramirez
Nicholas Ramirez

You mean this?

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

All they had to do to fix this logic gap was insert a two shots:

1. General Hux orders energy be diverted from the shields to the cannons to destroy the escape pods faster.
2. Pink hair lady notices this and then lightspeed rams them.

Ryder Edwards
Ryder Edwards

Disney really should have wrote three movies that make sense at the same time instead of shitting out TFA and then sucking all the shit back up into its ass with TLJ because logic dictates episode nine Balance of the Force will be the episode 7 shit reshit out.

Henry Diaz
Henry Diaz

sucked at fighting Finn and Rey in TFA
You what? He dominated Finn, toyed with him a bit, and then Finn got lucky and grazed his arm. So he put Finn down with ease.

Against Rey he wasn't trying to hurt her, and she only got the upper hand when she let go and used the force.

If you couldn't realise that then you're a retard.

Luke Stewart
Luke Stewart

That just opens up a new can of worms...
Basic physics and maths tells us that a 1kg object travelling at 99% of the speed of light will impact with a force of 132 megatons...

This increases exponencially once you hit full lightspeed

Jonathan Wilson
Jonathan Wilson

And this is another example of user on a mongolian mink-breeding forum fixing a major motion picture in two fucking sentences.

Asher Bennett
Asher Bennett

this. Holdo's whole point was to show why you should just trust in the strong womyn leader, but she allowed almost everyone to get killed unnecessarily. She saved the last ten people, but let hundreds get killed when she could have just done this hyper space ram at the start.

Eli Martinez
Eli Martinez

DS2 is 200km in diameter
433 Eros is potato shaped and 34km in length on the long axis, than's less than 6x the size measure by their length on long axis.

Attach hyperdrive to Eros, ram DS2, PROFIT.
Rocks the size of Eros would be dime a dozen in every star system.

Nathaniel Cox
Nathaniel Cox

they are so close in in size, obviously one's still much bigger
What the FUCK did he mean by this? They could have easily said that the resistance cruiser had a special, ludicrously expensive/rare hyperdrive unit or something and any other one wouldn't work for the ram but this is the best asspull they can come up with?

Isaac Lopez
Isaac Lopez

Wouldn't work if you used a smaller ship

Okay, so? You could easily use many ships and bore millions of small holes, or use even bigger ships and bore holes in a Death Star
Or if we want to actually apply real science to this, it doesn't even matter their fucking size

This movie has way too fucking many damage control articles, videos etc, it's pathetic

Lucas Williams
Lucas Williams

And that's why you should read real sci-fi instead. In Expanse space-niggers fuck up Earth doing this, killing billions.
Star Wars is supposed to be fantasy in space, with no real physics involved ever.

Logan Ross
Logan Ross

Men aren't smart enough to solve the complex problems that women can.

Anthony Peterson
Anthony Peterson

Yea that would have been a lazy answer but at least it would have made some sense. Like a hyperdrive that can jump in and out of hyperspace very quickly. Then she set it to jump out of hyperspace right in the middle of the enemy ship, something like that.

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

Even if you restrict it to Cruisers it'd still be more practical to suicide one or two of those and cause intense collateral damage to the surrounding smaller vessels if you're going into battle with the expectation that you'll like lose similar ships in regular combat anyway

Hyperspace wasn't portrayed this way before for a clear reason

Jaxson Harris
Jaxson Harris

agrees that Kylo sucked at fighting

I accept your concession, you fucking retard.

Christian Watson
Christian Watson

not necessarily. penetration distance would be related to mass

Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

they are literally putting video game easter eggs into these movies

Fuck that, I’m not watching anymore of this video

Bentley Bell
Bentley Bell

What does that have to do with anything I said?

Ryder Lopez
Ryder Lopez

If you fly an x-wing into a ship at high speeds you're not going to get anything."
LOOK AT THIS FUCKING PICTURE
A 1.2 cm aluminium sphere going at 6.8 km/s against a 18 centimeters thick aluminium plate.

Might as well shoot myself with a 5 mm, how could something so small do any damage to me amirite?

Since the video is 27 minutes long, can I get a time of when this question is asked?

David Phillips
David Phillips

No I do read Expanse, hence Eros.

I'm okay with Star Wars being soft as diarrhea in terms of the science. It's fine being fantasy in space with a thin veneer of sci-fi glossed over it. I don't feel the need to question why hyperspace in Star Wars does not cause causality problem, they want it, I want it, everyone else is doing it, it's fine. The problem is hyperspace ramming is trying to use hard(er) sci-fi logic in soft sci-fi story, and when you try to apply logic that way it ruins the illusion of soft sci-fi and invites all these questions we see in this thread. It fucks up your universe.

Jose Richardson
Jose Richardson

Star Wars' hyperspace technology is an elegant solution to the narrative requirement for a FTL propulsion system that can't be weaponized.

Ships in Star Wars never actually go faster than the speed of light while in realspace. They use a hyperdrive to "jump" into, then move through, hyperspace; a parallel dimension in which they can travel faster than light. While in hyperspace, ships do not interact with objects in realspace, so relativistic collisions are avoided.

HOWEVER.
If a ship in hyperspace passes through the gravity well of a large object like a planet, star, or sufficiently powerful artificial emitter, it is inherently pulled back into realspace, possibly colliding with the large object *at sub-light speeds*. This is what Han Solo was referring to when he warned Luke about the importance of calculating vectors before making "the jump". The more powerful the hyperdrive, the more it can resist the effect of gravity wells. So in Star Wars, there hyperdrives can range from budget models, that require the ship to get faaaar away from planets and celestial bodies before making the jump, and there are overpowered hyperdrives, like the Millennium Falcon's, which can skirt dangerously close to black holes.

Additionally, the defensive shields of ships in Star Wars are robust enough to render sub-lightspeed ramming an ineffective tactic.

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

Easily handles two people while injured by a gun that sends other people flying
Easily handles two people while still dealing with the impact of killing his father
Yeah, he totally sucked at fighting.

Bentley Gomez
Bentley Gomez

JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF BRO QUIT BEING PRETENTIOUS

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

Going at relativistic speeds increases the object's mass because physics are bugged and need a patch.

Josiah Collins
Josiah Collins

Costa Rica doesn't have a military and it's fine, lad.

Parker Young
Parker Young

You know what Rey should do? Just use the Force to become giant, like a giant madame (marvel reference amirite fellow fans wink wink) then she is called white star and in one swoop just destroys the entire first empire.

Christian Reed
Christian Reed

Or
this ship has an experimental prototype hyperdrive, more powerful than any other

Logan Sanchez
Logan Sanchez

the republic was a corrupt bureaucracy
so we should have a dictatorship led by the vastly most corrupt guy from the republic

Colton Jones
Colton Jones

a crater in a shield

physics are bugged and need a patch
nah our understanding of physics is weak and needs some grinding. too bad one lifetime isn't enough to really get that much insight

Connor Flores
Connor Flores

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Robot_ramship

Josiah Sanders
Josiah Sanders

How about this:
Space ramming has never been done before in SW because
1) Shields
2) When entering hyperspace you are not in the same plane of existance of the other ships so you cannot touch it at all
But they developed this new hyperdrive whereas you are in some sort of bubble and, ah fuck it, this is stupid, just like with Lucas mistakes some faggot will come along and justify this bullshit.

Daniel Jones
Daniel Jones

O

Aiden Martin
Aiden Martin

Kek no it isnt

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

I'm not watching four videos to learn how it works!

Landon Ramirez
Landon Ramirez

What if the projectile is not made of aluminum but rather made of cheese puffs? The cheese puffs regardless how fast it is would disintegrate

I think that's kind of their argument. The Supremacy is a gigantic, unobtanium whatever warship while the X-wings are rickety strung together made of soft metals. The X wings would disintegrate like cheese puffs

Kayden Hernandez
Kayden Hernandez

Space ramming was never done before in Star Wars because for all his faults, Lucas was actually thinking in terms of a cohesive universe he had in his head and two trilogies of films. If he ever thought of this concept, he would have immediately realized it was fucking retarded, Disney is just approaching this one film at a time without even a basic fucking outline of the overarching trilogy and Rian Johnson probably just thought "damn wouldn't it be sick if a ship like rammed the empire at lightspeed and it exploded into a million pieces"

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

Sheev wasn't corrupt

Asher Taylor
Asher Taylor

Robots are people too

Jayden Harris
Jayden Harris

It is though.

Carter Davis
Carter Davis

At relativistic speed the physical strength of matter simply doesn't matter. Even if you're ramming into air at relativistic speed, even the atom in the air won't have the time to get out of the way, the atom would actually start fusing (as in, actual nuclear fusion, like a hydrogen bomb) with the thing ramming into them.

Samuel Myers
Samuel Myers

Does anyone remember if the first order had one of these with them? I can't find a picture of their fleet.

If they had one of these then they could say when Holdo's ship got close enough to the fleet, this pulled her out of hyperspace just in time to hit the big ship. These are supposed to prevent hyperspace jumps but maybe she was out of range when she jumped.

Blake Gonzalez
Blake Gonzalez

For a destructive capability of this magnitude, the First Order would have known that this was possible and spread out to minimize damage.

Jackson Davis
Jackson Davis

Interdictors are too advance of an idea for normies to grasp, it will never show up in a movie.

Brayden James
Brayden James

Depending on the speed and where it hit the cheese puff could annihilate a ship

Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson

https://what-if.xkcd.com/20/
0.9999999c
At this speed, every carbon molecule carries 25 TeV of energy, comparable to particles in the beam of the Large Hadron Collider. A little faster, and we might spot Higgs bosons in the impact debris.

The X wing can survive the trip, it will be there. And it will hit.

Lucas Morgan
Lucas Morgan

this, it all depends on how hyperdrives work. cause if you put a lightspeed drive on a 1 kg rock it should go faster than a 100,000,000kg ship, right?

the problem is that i shouldn't even have to think about this in the first place. fuck you rian

Ethan Nelson
Ethan Nelson

Still doesn't fix anything. The ships behind the Supremacy that weren't firing would have still had shields, and they got blown the fuck up.

And for the sake of argument, lets say that every single SD dropped its shields as well. So now every battle simply becomes a race to see who can knock out their opponents shield first, and then hit them with a hyperspace missile of some sort.

The cat is out of the bag, my friend. No matter what they say to justify it, this one scene has ruined every single space battle of Star Wars, both past and future.

Carter Bell
Carter Bell

disintergrate from what? There is nothing acting upon the cheese puff until it hits the ship. Which is where all the damage to the ship comes from.

Brody Clark
Brody Clark

ITT mysoginists who cannot handle strong women

Jace Hall
Jace Hall

hyperspace jumping: Then
Another dimension that allows for faster-than-light travel doesn't allow you to interact with normal objects save for ones with massive gravitational pulls
hyperspace jumping: now
you're just going really fast.

Joseph Martinez
Joseph Martinez

It wouldn't disintegrate. If you could accelerate cheese puffs to relativistic speeds, you could destroy planets with them. No problem.

Justin Gomez
Justin Gomez

It was always like that: hyperspace vs warp/ftl. TLJ just fucked it upp

Adrian Torres
Adrian Torres

black woman says fuck all. just sits there

Lincoln Parker
Lincoln Parker

that... makes no sense at all. as speed approaches infinite, so does mass.

Jack James
Jack James

Ok, the bullshit is said at around 11 minutes.

at 12:00 there is the X wing remark.

Joseph Rodriguez
Joseph Rodriguez

hyperspace isn't just traveling at lightspeed though right? its jumping INTO hyperspace, which is some kind higher dimensional plane, and then coming OUT OF hyperspace in a different location in regular physical space. i assume that holdo wasn't actually ramming the new order ships at light speed, but charting her hyperspace jump so that she jumped INTO the enemy ships, coming out of hyperspace and entering the same physical space as the enemy ships, thus destroying them. this explains why the jump would penetrate the enemy shields (the shields exist in physical space which she bypassed by jumping through hyperspace) and explains why using smaller ships wouldn't be particularly effective (a smaller ship would only do as much damage as its size relative to another ship, an x-wing would basically create an x-wing sized hole inside a larger ship, this could be effective if very well planned and aimed but it seems relatively ineffective overall).

but this only raises an entire host of other problems. why not develop hyperspace bombs that just warp directly into enemy ships and bypass their shields? and the question of why nobody ever tried this before is still valid. warping right into the core of the death star probably would have been really helpful in new hope and rotj. and even though a single small ship wouldn't be destructive enough to to destroy an entire destroyer, you could still kamikaze a lot of small cheap ships and cause significant damage to a larger ship. hell, some sort of "warping into things" weapon could have been the main weapon for an entire movie. instead of another fucking death star.

John Rivera
John Rivera

pain and anger fuels the darkside making you stronger
except for Kylo, it makes him weaker.. lol

Luis Gray
Luis Gray

why not develop hyperspace bombs that just warp directly into enemy ships and bypass their shields?
bc you cannot calculate the exact exit point

Cooper Ramirez
Cooper Ramirez

thats sub space nerd

Jack Lewis
Jack Lewis

Timestamp link: https://youtu.be/p09c0MXDxto?t=682

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

two people
you mean the space janitor and the malnourished teenage girl?

Sebastian Bennett
Sebastian Bennett

There's still about 30 other major flaws with the movie.

Luis Cox
Luis Cox

bc you cannot calculate the exact exit point
Bullshit, Han exited hyperspace BY HAND in the space between Starkiller Base's shield and its surface from very long range.

Leo Cooper
Leo Cooper

Stop posting this bullshit.

Noah Baker
Noah Baker

This was also completely retarded and complete lore rape

Angel Sanders
Angel Sanders

It was always just going really fast.

Liam Rogers
Liam Rogers

yeah I remember. It was stupid. Even more than hyperspace ramming because it proves that hyperspace is an another dimention. I am not defending anyone here

Nathan Perez
Nathan Perez

no it wasn't.

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

It bears repeating.

Cooper Flores
Cooper Flores

I could chalk it up to Han spending 30 years to perfect that jump, because shields almost doomed them vs DS2 and Starkiller being much bigger and therefore its shields being much further. Even though its still spaceballs

Logan Peterson
Logan Peterson

It literally was established in the very first movie. Are you the same user from yesterday? I'm not having this discussion with a literal retard who thinks some book is more important than the movies again.

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

why not? you don't have to calculate it exactly just generally enough. destroyers are pretty fucking big. death stars are moon-sized. hell starkiller base was an entire planet. it can't be that hard to send a bomb to a place where you know a ship is.

Ryan Collins
Ryan Collins

Their fleet is just giant useless flagship, star destroyer escort and one cruiser with big cannons which was destroyed in opening battle.

This thing would've prevented that stupid space chase with hyperspace tracking to begin with, not just admiral feminist kamikadze strike.

Alexander Bell
Alexander Bell

Han said that they could exit into an asteroid and such. And gravity fields pull ships out, so if they cross paths with planets and stars, they'll drop out inside of them

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

/thread

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

' The fact that the resistance cruiser and the destroyer are so close in size, obviously one's still much bigger but still...'
It's like he's trying to convince himself it makes sense as he says it.

Jose Miller
Jose Miller

Why didn't they just make Snoke's flagship more reasonably sized, like the size of that dreadnaught, so it stands out a bit from other star destroyers without being 60KM MEGA-CLASS WITH FACTORIES TO BUILD MORE STAR DESTROYERS.

Then you could have the rebel flagship ram it at non-lightspeed and fuck both ships up.

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

a literal stormtrooper
a literal scavenger thats never held a lightsaber or knew the force existed 12 hours ago
still loses
Yeah, he totally sucked at fighting.

Michael Cook
Michael Cook

ywn be part of a space empire that destroys planets with things like cheese puffs and turds for the sake of banter

Justin Flores
Justin Flores

The last jedi not only ruins all future STAR WARS movies, it also retroactively ruins the past films and makes them all look like idiots.

A New Hope - "Sir we've worked out the final plan for the assault on the death star and it will be risky and cost many lives but it migh-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it"

Empire - "Sir the troops are ready for the ground assault on Hoth, walkers are ready to deploy" "Just Hyperspace-Ram the shield generator from orbit then Hyperspace-ram the rebel base. Boom. All the rebels will be dead before they can evacuate, war is over, and we never had to do a ground assault"

Jedi - "Sir they built a new death star and it's even bigg-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it" "But sir it's surrounded by a shield from the Endor moo-" "Just hyperspace ram the endor Moon until you take out the shield generator, Ewoks are collateral damage, then hyperspace ram the new death star"

Phantom Menace - "Annakin you have to take out that droid controller" "Just hyperspace ram it"

Rogue One - "We have to take down that shield generator!" "Just hyperspace ra- actually you know what were going to just hyperspace ram the death star anyway so we don't even need these stupid plans. Lets get out of here everybody."

TFA - My god they built an even BIGGER death sta-" "Just hyperspace ram it"

From now on, in every star wars movie ever made, every single time there is a massive fleet, large base or battlestation everyone watching will be thinking. "Why don't they just hyperspace-ram it". Johnson did this to the entire star wars cinematic universe, forever, for the sake of a ten second shot that "looked cool".

Parker Fisher
Parker Fisher

Empire must have a Death Star that is destroyed in the end

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

you dont realize how fast is hyperspace. Few miliseconds and you are outside star system. Ships computer just isnt precise enough. You cannot calculate everything

Ryder Wood
Ryder Wood

Another dimension that allows for faster-than-light travel doesn't allow you to interact with normal objects
When is this ever established, you lying faggot?

Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

Yeah but no. Its explain that before entering the "another dimension state" they are actually still physical object for short period before full speed

Jaxon Ramirez
Jaxon Ramirez

Pain and an injury like that don't make you physically stronger you dumbfuck, it just makes your connection to the darkside stronger.

And it didn't make him weaker. He easily overpowered Finn and Rey.
Rey only won because she connected to the force. It's a bullshit reason, but that's what happens.

Yes. And he easily handled them both. Did you even watch the fight?

He screams traitor at Finn and then proceeds to take his anger out on him, easily dominating the fight, until Finn lands a lucky hit. A second later Kylo takes him down like it's nothing.

He easily fights Rey while trying to convince her to let him teach her. She gets a power boost by calming her mind and connecting to the force. That's how she beats him.

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

I recognize that expression.

Brandon Mitchell
Brandon Mitchell

it doesn't matter anymore. It's clear they aren't even trying to make these movies good. They are just trying to get as much money out of it as possible before everyone loses interest.

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

oh yeah he easily handled them both
i mean he lost but he sure handled them easily before losing

Dominic Turner
Dominic Turner

Saying Snokes Destroyer and the Rebel ship are close in size is complete bullshit. The Supremacy is big enough have entire factories building full-size Star Destroyers in it, while the Raddus is 3.4km long (according to the wiki). This also means that comparatively, Star Destroyers are fair game for x-wing hyperspace rams

Adam King
Adam King

makes no sense. even if they argue displacement based on strength (example : ship vs world = ship dust) intersecting would still cause damage. also it would not matter if cheese puffs had nukes in them. I assume all hyperspace engines are equally damaging once exploded

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

You're a fucking moron and there's no point even debating this with you.

Jackson Campbell
Jackson Campbell

Why don't these guys in charge of the canon just tell Rian to fuck off with his stupid idea, instead of trying to do mental gymnastics to fit him? Is that not literately their job?

Nicholas Cook
Nicholas Cook

And gravity fields pull ships out, so if they cross paths with planets and stars, they'll drop out inside of them

No, this is never established in a movie and if some book contradicts the movie the book is not canon. Go fuck yourself, i'm not having this argument again because you're dumber than a fucking door who just ignores everything i say.

Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

a hyperdrive
If that comes with big ass engines and fuel then it could work.

Jordan Johnson
Jordan Johnson

it just makes your connection to the darkside stronger.
... and that doesn't make you stronger? Him hitting his wound was just him being dramatic?

Dumb. as. fuck.... and your still adamant in defending it. I'm almost inclined to call you a Mouse shill at this point.

Jack Cooper
Jack Cooper

Star Wars isn't supposed to be scientifically accurate. Tie fighter roars in space, nuff said. The director's explanation and cheese puff analogy works well enough for normies

Asher Myers
Asher Myers

Interdictors

Matthew Cruz
Matthew Cruz

lost this argument like kylo lost to a space janitor and mary sue lmao

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

i might be confused because the movies never go into explicit detail as to exactly how hyperspace works or even what it really is (i don't care about eu bullshit and clearly neither do the makers of these movies), but can't you just chart your final destination before you make the jump? they know how fast hyperspace is right? surely they know how long it would take for any given object to travel any given distance?

star wars science has always been bullshit so maybe the physics of it just don't make any sense...but if holdo could do this I don't understand why the couldn't develop hyperspace bombs.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

this. he even pulled space corridors from galactic heroes so there would be no issue of someone just hitting the main worlds,etc.
2) When entering hyperspace you are not in the same plane of existance of the other ships so you cannot touch it at all
and? They don't touch in hyperspace, one ship jumps out of hyperspace in the same spot where the other ship is and thus they intersect, its not a literal ramming. its 2 objects trying to occupy the same space

Joseph Rogers
Joseph Rogers

Do these people understand that throwing a ship the size of an x-wing at the speed of light would be basically the same as bombing the target with countless tsar bombs?

Thomas Cruz
Thomas Cruz

If you fly an x-wing into a ship at high speeds you're not going to get anything."
Sure thing. Terrible damage control, should've stayed quiet.

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

If there was no sound in the space battles they would be incredibly boring. The sound is there for audience and it's necessary. Breaking the logic that they set up in earlier movies is not necessary, it's crap writing.

Daniel Roberts
Daniel Roberts

actually i pulled this out of my ass. Thats how I explain to myself that you cannot have hyperspace missiles

Nathan Phillips
Nathan Phillips

gravity well projectors do just that, they create an illusion that there is a planet in that location so ships safety measures make them drop out of hyperspace. one could come up with a convoluted reason why such safety could not be overridden but in all the years of EU it has never come up

Josiah Campbell
Josiah Campbell

They didn't have any, but it doesn't make sense why they didn't. Interdictors are canon ships thanks to the Tarkin book Rebels.

Blake Hall
Blake Hall

it could work if you inter cut inside and outside of ships. boring part would be realistic lasers

Chase White
Chase White

I just looked it up an an x-wing, which apparently weighes 10 tons, going at half the speed of light, would on impact release 26888 Megatons. That's over 500 tsar bombs.

Dominic Sullivan
Dominic Sullivan

The massive flagship should have had built-in interdictor-capabilities

Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

Breaking the logic that they set up in earlier movies is not necessary
The logic is that X wings and smaller fighter would just splat against Stardestroyers and the deathstar. They had to ram an object of similar size.

They need to ram a whole cruiser to take down a ship that is the size of Super Stardestroyer. They need a ship at least the size of SSJ3 SSGod SSBlue 20X Kaikoken Stardestroyer to make a dent on planetary superweapon like the death star

What's so hard to understand

Thomas Fisher
Thomas Fisher

only BSG did it well - muffled sound

Connor Morgan
Connor Morgan

Millennium Falcon
If it was strong empire strikes back would have ended differently

Julian Jenkins
Julian Jenkins

Convoluted
They are programmed to instantly drop out to avoid telefragging themselves.

Tyler Wood
Tyler Wood

It's funny how every time someone says leftists are stupid, it's in a profoundly retarded post.

Hint: Most scientists, thinkers and inventors and nearly every genius is leftist.

Meanwhile, rightists are the ones claiming the moon landing was faked, Earth was created 4000 years ago and climate change doesn't exist.

Elijah Peterson
Elijah Peterson

There's nothing to understand because it doesn't make sense
The logic is that the sky is red, what's so hard to understand?

Liam Moore
Liam Moore

The interdictor only exists in pre ANH stories as various prototypes. I don't think it was ever mass produced to the degree that you'd always have one on hand. Ironically, the only reason the Rebels got away from one was because they crashed their flagship into it. TLJ isn't even original in that regard.

Benjamin Sanchez
Benjamin Sanchez

Most scientists, thinkers and inventors and nearly every genius is leftist.
The complete opposite has been the truth historically and even today that is just false.
As a second point, left wing individuals deny science too. Talk to leftists about GMOs, nuclear power, evolutionary psychology, behavioral genetics and you'll find levels of science denialism that are just incredible.

Luis Brooks
Luis Brooks

It's hyperSPACE, as in a different plane of existence. It's more than just flying really fast.

Jose Barnes
Jose Barnes

The US military functions as their defense force.

Blake Cooper
Blake Cooper

You talk about retarded posts and then you type those 2 sentences?

Levi Torres
Levi Torres

It's funny how every time someone says leftists are stupid, it's in a profoundly retarded post.
What an ironic thing to say considering the rest of your post.

Lincoln Edwards
Lincoln Edwards

The problem is Holdo's ship is tiny compared to Supremacy, like we're talking X-wing to old Imperial I Star Destroyer ratio. And not only did it completely fuck up Supremacy the impact fragments themselves were going fast enough to destroy all the escorting battlecruisers behind it.

Angel Williams
Angel Williams

I can't wait for ep IX to see what happens to this dangerous and compelling villain.

Aiden Lee
Aiden Lee

because the ship had shields

Jaxon Lewis
Jaxon Lewis

Hint: Most scientists, thinkers and inventors and nearly every genius is leftist.
Because intellectuals and celebrities in general have the most to lose if they don't conform to samethink. No one cares what some random joe cares or thinks because he doesn't have a platform to promote it. That's starting to change with the internet.

Anthony Nguyen
Anthony Nguyen

he resistance cruiser and the destroyer are so close in size

No they aren't lol

Grayson Nguyen
Grayson Nguyen

It's funny how every time someone says leftists are stupid, it's in a profoundly retarded post.
followed by
Meanwhile, rightists are the ones claiming the moon landing was faked, Earth was created 4000 years ago and climate change doesn't exist.
....

Joseph Martinez
Joseph Martinez

no it wouldn't

Ryder Bailey
Ryder Bailey

I suggest you read the thread before dropping your retarded posts

Leo Lopez
Leo Lopez

They had to ram an object of similar size.
Holdo's ship was at least ten times smaller than the ship she rammed.

Zachary Hughes
Zachary Hughes

it's fine

Adam Cook
Adam Cook

You are a fucking retard holy shit.

The word "hyperspace" is literally used multiple times in earlier movies, and you SEE the blue dimension they're moving through outside the windows.

Never talk about Star Wars ever again.

Aiden Green
Aiden Green

It literally wouldn't though and there's nothing you can do to prove it. Everything we know about Star Wars shows us that their universe doesn't abide by the same laws of physics as ours does, so using out universe's physics to prove that a small object traveling at light speed would destroy something large doesn't mean jack shit in Star Wars

Dylan Jones
Dylan Jones

Butthurt /pol/tards refuse to accept the truth

Matthew Reyes
Matthew Reyes

Whybwould you even need a ship? Just strap a computer and hyperdrive to a big rock

Leo Walker
Leo Walker

if shields and materials are strong enough

1. They are hyperspacing through shields now. Keep up.

2. An A-wing at sublight destroyed the command deck of a super star destroyer. If you aim it in the right spot, you can disable a big ship without completely destroying it.

Ayden Fisher
Ayden Fisher

people tend to forget that snoke's ship had powerful shields protecting it, an x-wing would've bounced right off it

James Barnes
James Barnes

I don't know why everyone has to get up in arms about the science of star wars.

Things have never made sense. I don't see anyone arguing about the logic behind lightsabers.

Realize that this isn't hard sci-fi. It's just a space fantasy movie. It's not about the logistics, it's about the story

Isaiah Taylor
Isaiah Taylor

Wrong, Star Wars always had internal consistency and NOTHING suggests that something nearing light speed wouldn't act like it would in the real world

Ayden Ross
Ayden Ross

climate change
Dont you mean global warming lefty. Oh and what happened to the ozone scare. Dont be an idiot. They just use scare tactics to their advantage.

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

ah bloo bloo

Adrian Ortiz
Adrian Ortiz

ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SAY THE PART OF THE SHIELD HOLDO HIT HAPPENED, DUE TO THE WILL OF THE FORCE, TO BE THE SAME PART OF THE SHIELD DJ WEAKENED WITH HIS HACKING

THAT'S IT

Eli Bell
Eli Bell

poor attempt

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

pain and anger fuels the darkside making you stronger
except for Kylo, it makes him weaker.. lol
and it's totally ok when Rey uses it
She has been in between on the whole dark/light side shit since the begining but the movies haven't explored it at all beyond
wow you're too reckless, I won't train you to actually control yourself and not go full sith

James Harris
James Harris

I don't know a fucking thing about science

Charles Price
Charles Price

Star Wars always had internal consistency
lol no it NEVER did. There's literally no reason for small wing craft to exist. Space battles should look like they do in Star Trek. Hyperspace shouldn't look the way it does, and space craft wouldn't fly like WW2 airplanes. Hell, the lasers on the deathstar can't form into one giant laser either. This is all from the first fucking movie.

Dominic Cook
Dominic Cook

It was never about the viability of the science, it's about having a modicum of consistency. Hyperspace doesn't make scientific sense but it follows a strict set of rules, which the new movie completely shits on and retroactively makes everyone waging space war in all previous films retarded.

Ryder Myers
Ryder Myers

Han says traveling through hyperspace and jumping to light speed in the same scene, he also says you need a clear path so you don't crash into anything. This blue "dimension" is just the effect they used to simulate blur because of the speed.

Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

We're losing our deflector shield! Go strap yourself in, I'm going to make the jump to light speed.

If the second line didn't exist i'd probably agree with you, but the second line pretty much makes the only logical conclusion to be that they're traveling fast and need to be careful. They literally never say anything about another dimension, sorry, your fan fiction books don't count. They wanted hyperspace to be another dimension so they made it up and this strong gravity pulling you out or whatever is just some bullshit they made up to fit with what Han said about crashing.

Charles Myers
Charles Myers

We're not asking for star war science to make sense, we're asking for star war science to be at least consistent from moment to moment.

If they try to fuck with lightsaber science and go "Oh look Rey, by bypassing the blade length inhibitor you can make your lightsaber several light years long and slice apart star destroyers with it" we'll be up in arms too.

Benjamin Gray
Benjamin Gray

Space ramming has never been done before in SW because
1) Shields

Han Solo would like to have a word with you. We can hyperspace through shields now. Keep in mind, Snoke's ship had its shields up. Remember DJ had to temporarily disable them.

Mason Roberts
Mason Roberts

But that's internal consistency
Again, what suggests light speed wouldn't work the way it does in the real world?

Asher Fisher
Asher Fisher

"If you fly an x-wing into a ship at high speeds you're not going to get anything."
X-wing flies into a Star Destroyer in RotJ

John Ortiz
John Ortiz

it's about the story
user, the story is about wars in the stars. The hyperspace ram maneuver irreparably harms the story and logic of every star war in the series called Star Wars. Literally every space battle in the whole series now begs the question of "why not ram it??" or "Why didn't they do a little ramming?"

From the trade federation blockades around Naboo in Phantom Menace all the way to Rogue One's final climactic battle, the question of "why not try ramming it?" destroys the stakes and logic of everything.

It would be like a movie where the hero and villain both have assault rifles with them the entire time but instead of using them where appropriate, they always use their bare hands instead.

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

Again, what suggests light speed wouldn't work the way it does in the real world?
the fact that no other physics in star wars work the same way the real world does

Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

I don't see how it's breaking any rules

Han says that this is possible all the way back in episode 4.

Asher Sullivan
Asher Sullivan

'secrets explained'
actually plot holes

Juan Bennett
Juan Bennett

You're retarded. You post just makes clear you have no idea what "internal consistency" means.

Owen Perry
Owen Perry

Thanks for proving my point about rightists being literal retards who deny factual science because their tiny brains can't comprehend even the most basic concepts.

Keep watching Star Wars and never try to discuss an intellectual topic again.

Jeremiah Jenkins
Jeremiah Jenkins

Hmm no sorry that doesn't convince me

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

and you SEE the blue dimension they're moving through outside the windows
he's literally this stupid

Anthony Gonzalez
Anthony Gonzalez

I'm OK with guns shooting sausages, because it's sci-fi

Oliver Howard
Oliver Howard

This is a plot hole that has existed since the very beginning of the franchise. We have always known lightspeed ships can collide with things, so why is it only a problem when we finally see it in action? Because it draws attention to it?

John James
John James

The hyperspace ram maneuver irreparably harms the story and logic of every star war in the series called Star Wars
absolutely not. I will explain it very briefly for your tiny mind
If you were to hyperspace, it was always better to run then to ram. That way you survive. There is no religion/cult to drive people to kamikaze like WW2 japan
in TLJ, hyperspace was not jammed (like in ROTJ) because if they ran they'd just be tracked down and out of fuel
So, being that they couldn't run, and that hyperspace wasn't jammed, ramming made tactical sense for the first time in Star Wars history, all due to hyperspace tracking existing for the first time

Jacob Anderson
Jacob Anderson

But that's internal consistency
To what? Its own bullshit physics? What's wrong with introducing more bullshit physics then? Fits right into the universe.

Gabriel Scott
Gabriel Scott

nothing about Star Wars before now has made it clear why ships didn't ram eachother when they were desparate. Literally nothing
but hyperspace is a different plane of reality!
then how come Han Solo said you could crash into a star if your calculations weren't correct? checkmate prequel apologists

Camden Morales
Camden Morales

They go to light speed the moment before entering hyperspace, moron. Lightspeed is when you see the effect of the stars turning into lines. If hyperspace wasn't a thing they would have just kept using that effect while in transit instead of it changing to a blue energy tube.

You are a complete idiot, probably an actual autist who can only understand the most literal terms and not read between the lines to understand what a character is really saying.

Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

There is no religion/cult to drive people to kamikaze like WW2 japan
He says about a movie with a scene were a black guy tries to kamikazi like WW2 japan

Noah Cruz
Noah Cruz

Yeah. Basically we could safely assume it was impossible or simply "not done" within the world. Sci-fi collectively tries to just pretend stuff like that doesn't exist. It's like how they always insist that teleportation isn't suicide and cloning at the same time.

If you were to hyperspace, it was always better to run then to ram.
Soldiers can easily be told not to run.
There is no religion/cult to drive people to kamikaze like WW2 japan
Except that the entire clone wars is indoctrinated soldiers who've been brainwashed and have chips in their heads against disposible robots and yet there was no documented application of this EXTREMELY powerful and cost effective strategy. In fact, the existence of droids undermines this point all on it's it own.
ramming made tactical sense for the first time in Star Wars history
It made sense literally every time there was a droid onboard a ship with a hyperdrive user. Get fucked.

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

ramming
cost effective
I'm so glad none of you are in the actual military

Leo Phillips
Leo Phillips

Their job is to let the directors/writers etc do whatever the fuck they want as long as there is diversity, then act as damage control when their poorly thought out ideas create massive plot holes for the saga

Christian Scott
Christian Scott

Oh and what happened to the ozone scare.
Boy, this is a terrible response if you are trying to act like nothing happened.

You see, what happened to the ozone hole was that internationally we banned the chemicals responsible for it (CFC's) and replaced aerosol propellants and refrigerants with non CFC chemicals over the course of a decade or so. After we stopped emitting CFCs, the hole in the ozone layer began to shrink. It still exists, but is much much smaller affecting only polar regions.

Same with acid rain, if you'd like to bring that up. We actually made new emissions standards that dealt with sulfur compounds that we just let loose before. After a few years with emissions restrictions in place, acid rain became less frequent and much less concentrated when it did occurr, resulting in the issue being essentially allieviated.

So really, all you've done is highlighted how taking action in the past actually solved our major environmental issues. Good work, you fucking moron.

Brandon Diaz
Brandon Diaz

The rebels have used kamikaze tactics from the start, retard. The Executor is taken down by a kamikaze A-Wing in RotJ. And there is no reason they couldn't just have drones pilot the ram ships.

Hyperspace wasn't jammed in RotJ, only their sensors were.

So all your arguments are wrong and retarded.

Bentley Morales
Bentley Morales

To the rules set by previous entries, yes. Those rules, set by internal logic and precedents, separate good fiction like SW from anything goes comedies like Spaceballs.

Levi Ward
Levi Ward

How exactly does climate change benefit them? It encourages less consumption.

Lincoln Lee
Lincoln Lee

If you can comfortably assume it's simply "not been done" for no reason, than why is it so hard to accept that Holdo was the first time it ever has been done?

Andrew James
Andrew James

hyperdrive propelled projectile would be the most OP thing

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment
m.wikipedia
fucking repulsive phoneposters

Caleb Russell
Caleb Russell

Not in tlj apparently

Jordan Harris
Jordan Harris

Who says that they have to kamikaze at all. The point is, if objects in hyperspace can collide with ships in normal space, why aren't they using weapons with hyperspace drives? We know ships as small as x-wings can have hyperdrives on them, so they could just be using this tactic all the time. Bombarding the enemy with objects going at light speed, delivering incredible destructive force. You could say maybe the rebels couldn't afford these kind of weapons, but what about the empire? Surely they could afford this kind of weaponry.

Christian Gutierrez
Christian Gutierrez

implying it ever needed to be explained
implying this isn't just autists freaking out over nothing

Jace Ross
Jace Ross

Yes, because in order to create a ramming weapon, its interiors must be installed with extremely expensive combat systems, lodgings and the like.

I hope you are not in the actual military, as your ability to think creatively is on the same level as that of an autistic toddler.

Eli Nelson
Eli Nelson

Just show me when they establish that in the movies, PLEASE. Show it to me and i'll agree with you right away. Show me them saying they go into another dimension, show me them saying this tube is another dimension and not just some crappy 30 year old effect they used, show me them saying you can get pulled out of this dimension by strong gravity. Show it to me and i'll never post again.

Jace Brooks
Jace Brooks

The Executor is taken down by a kamikaze A-Wing in RotJ
lol, it was taken down by a crashing out of control ship that hit the bridge. That's another one of those things that makes no sense but you accept since you were a kid when you saw it. There's no reason whatsoever that destroying the bridge should take out the engines, and no reason once the engines were taken out that it would fall into the other ship. Objects in orbit don't suddenly crash to a planet randomly

Anthony Reyes
Anthony Reyes

Strong and reliable are two different things.

Connor Ramirez
Connor Ramirez

Why would they create a big ship that could only be used once?

Christian Wood
Christian Wood

Because hyperspace has existed for literately tens of thousands of years, if it could be done it would already have been done accidentally.

In fact given how everyone and their mum owns a hyperspace capable tramp freighter in star wars if hyperspace ramming could be done accidentally ramming would literately happen every day as industrial accidents.

Hunter Torres
Hunter Torres

not at all, because they could be easily singled out and destroyed. pretty much the largest factor in the effectiveness of the hyperdrive ramming in TLJ was the surprise factor. Like I said, it only became tactically viable after not being able to run away with hyperspace like they always could have before

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

leftist don't deny science
pleas elaborate on the correlation between race and IQ... I'll wait.

Jackson Sullivan
Jackson Sullivan

turn any old tugboat or semi-trailer truck into a devastating weapon capable of destroying or severely damaging targets much bigger than itself

user, hyperdrive is a common technology. It's used in every aspect of galactic life. You could buy cheap dump truck ships with hyperdrives and stick cheap robots in them to pilot them if you were really poor, or you could do like other suggest and strap hyperdrives and navigation systems to asteroids and get really efficient about it.

Camden Carter
Camden Carter

We just saw it happen in this new movie though? The flagship was pathetic compared to the supremacy

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

If you can comfortably assume it's simply "not been done" for no reason
Because the fact that it hasn't been done would imply that it can't be done. Hyper space travel is ubiquitous. If it would be weaponized, it would have been. So we just sit there and either trust the writers to avoid even mentioning such things or we assume it's an unwritten rule that such a tactic simply ISN'T possible.

Jack King
Jack King

Then why did Holdo's ship bypass them? Also TFA showed you can just warp through shields so good defense

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

There is no answer to your question because Star Wars never was actually that well thought out. It was always aesthetics first, logic second. ALWAYS.
if objects in hyperspace can collide with ships in normal space
of course they can, Han explains it in the first movie
We know ships as small as x-wings can have hyperdrives on them, so they could just be using this tactic all the time.
yeah they could have but they didn't because the logistics of Star Wars space battles has always been retard baby tier.

Angel Collins
Angel Collins

There's a lot of extremely retarded people in this thread, but you are still pretty high on the list.

What do you think a fucking missile is? Why do you think most military ships still have ramming bows? Why do you think the kamikaze strategy was so widely used; for fun?

Ramming has always been and will always be an important military tactic, and when you involve relativistic speeds it becomes one of the most powerful weapons imaginable.

You think sending one X-Wing to explode a Star Destroyer instead of wasting 10 of them trying to defeat it conventionally isn't cost effective?

Ethan Gonzalez
Ethan Gonzalez

Nature vs nurture for starters.

Also, transposing IQ as it currently is measured to real world is not very practical. A person may have a high IQ but lack the skills to apply it to anything, making him completely useless.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

I don't see any explanation, OP, were is it?

Owen Brown
Owen Brown

the bottom line is that there is absolutely no reason they didn't use ramming before because there is no logic to star war space battles. there never was and there never will be

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

yes but why would not someone reprogram them to ram shit or kabab agba more often?

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

All These people claiming shield would make a difference, remember one episode before

HAN SOLO showed an old pirate trick of hyperspacing through shields to starkiller base.

So either Hyperspacing can either bypass shields or you can double hyperspace for massive destruction.

Aaron Ramirez
Aaron Ramirez

But that's why internal consistency is supposed to keep those questions from coming up. You can't remove the consistency of not using a certain obvious tactic without people asking "ok, why didn't they ever do that before?"

Brayden White
Brayden White

Not destroying the other ships (maybe just dispersing them) would actually have been better in order to make it look less as a fuckin asspull, this last surviving guys could also have some relevance in the last movie, now they just gonna come out of fucking nowhere (again)

Jonathan Baker
Jonathan Baker

HERES A PRO-TIP. DON'T HOLD UP COSTA FUGGIN RICA AS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF ANYTHING

Owen Peterson
Owen Peterson

So...Why didn't they just fly Cruisers into Destroyers before?

Also, at the very least an X-Wing would rek a Destroyer, even if it wouldn't explode everything in sight.

Brandon Cook
Brandon Cook

FUCKING BINGO.

Bentley Ortiz
Bentley Ortiz

why would you put shipyards in a warship lads?

Nathaniel Barnes
Nathaniel Barnes

Here's some actual truth for you, brainlet. We leftists know that blacks are less intelligent. But unlike you, we are smart enough to know that throwing that information to the masses is an incredibly bad idea and nothing good can come of it.

As always, leftists are thinking about the greater good with our greater mental capacity and empathy, while rightists, in their self-centered, tiny little ego worlds think nothing before blurting out retardation and inciting violence.

Oh, and before you accuse us of being hypocritical, let's bring up how you morons react to having your own science used against you - namely the fact that Jews are the most intelligent race(Japan coming second). It's fun to watch you flail and attempt all sorts of doublethink when confronted with that truth, and it also proves that retards like you aren't ready for all the information we have.

Camden Cook
Camden Cook

I recall it being a plot point that they could not jump away when near a star destroyer. If it had been strong enough to resist gravity of black holes star destroyer would be nothing

Jordan Bell
Jordan Bell

It's called internal logic, and it's a basic fundamental of both storytelling as a whole, and especially fantastical stories and settings.

Audiences can go with you into stories and world building that isn't based on real world laws and logic, but if you break internal logical consistency, you break their suspension of disbelief. It's like suddenly seeing a film turn into a behind the scenes reel. It could be the storytelling equivalent of breaking the fourth wall. In this particular case it's the storytelling equivalent of a boom mic dropping into shot.

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

Hyperspace shouldn't look the way it does

Based on the first movie

I'm gonna need you to back that up and show me where in the first movie they contradict how Hyperspace is presented in the film.

Easton Bailey
Easton Bailey

that was totally retardation. There is no way to go at lightspeed and then manually jump out of lightspeed in time between he passed the shield and before he hit the ground.
His trick was shield refresh rate, he went so fast that when he "passed" the shield there was no shield

Hunter Martin
Hunter Martin

3 km ship is comparable to a SIXTY KM ship
Speed doesn't matter because you're small
Lol cheese puffs am I right
Please, newer generation, watch this and run in front of people with guns, they won't do anything to you, bullets are small after all

Adam Thompson
Adam Thompson

What about when Leia tugs herself through space? If that's how Force Pushes and Pulls worked, Yoda would have driven himself into ground like a spike trying to lift Luke's X-Wing.

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

Some quick, I need that paint image of the monkey kissing the flat faced chink

Ethan Rivera
Ethan Rivera

The fact that the resistance cruiser and the destroyer are so close in size,

Bullshit. The size comparison is about that of a Rebel Transport (which has a hyperdrive) and a standard Imperial Star Destroyer. Those pieces of shit should be able to take out an ISD the exactly same way without losing anything too mission critical, because it's just a storage ship.

Ayden Gutierrez
Ayden Gutierrez

t. American, from a capitalist country in midst of collapse
Alternately, t. Neo-Nazi, advocating a system that collapsed

Meanwhile I'm in Norway, the country with the highest living standards in the world and one of the lowest crime rates - and socialist.

Jacob Cox
Jacob Cox

So the Falcon can slip between the shields but laser cannot.
Wew.

Hunter Morris
Hunter Morris

internal consistency is supposed to keep those questions from coming up
HA
no, internal consistency means asking all the questions and having all the answers. If a question as simple as "why don't they do this obvious thing" completely destroys the logic of your universe, then there was never any logic holding it together in the first place. This is what all you psudo nerds and stem autists will never understand about Star Wars.

Daniel Price
Daniel Price

...ok, he's stupid and doesn't even know his own setting as proyectile weapons deal lots of damage even when the fire small bullets, I get that, but my question still remains unanswered, why this manuver that is 100% effective and waaaaaaaaaay better than everything else used in all these movies wasn't done before or isn't being spammed ad nauseam?

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

Oh, and before you accuse us of being hypocritical, let's bring up how you morons react to having your own science used against you - namely the fact that Jews are the most intelligent race(Japan coming second).

We have a song for that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCY84APh0XM

As to "using it against us"....We're just more violent and ambitious than Jews or Japs. Good mix. Shame about the Slavs, Irish, Celts, and Wogs. But what are you going to do? You work with what you're born with.

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

a capitalist country in midst of collapse

John Johnson
John Johnson

your lack of a military is what makes it possible for you retards to do that, if america wasnt around and your country was the same you would be conquered

every play civ 5 buddy

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

Because important planets and ships have shields. I mean, you can try to, and sometimes do it, but doing it is like telefragging a grain of sand on the moon with another grain.

Charles Watson
Charles Watson

your country only has the money to support your state because it sells oil to other, wealthier nations. You could not support yourselves for a single day. It's the equivalent to a parent working a job to provide for their kids

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

If a question as simple as "why don't they do this obvious thing" completely destroys the logic of your universe

That's what everyone is talking about. This scene just destroys the logic of the universe.

Juan Young
Juan Young

Doesn't seem very smart and scientific to assume every right wing person is literally a nazi.

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

there is no answer to that question because Star Wars is a dumb, senseless universe for autists

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

Which makes the Falcon jumping to Hyperspace within Han's other ship bullshit as well. It would have flashed the atmosphere inside to plasma.

The worst part of all this is that it doesn't even fix anything. All it does is makes everyone look like morons, because literally every space battle would become about setting up this slam dunk.

Stupid, stupid motherfuckers.

Samuel Green
Samuel Green

in the last film the millennium falcon literally:
makes a jump to hyperspace from inside a another ship, maybe 50 ft from the hangar walls
exits hyperspace inside an atmosphere without any problems

Comets that impact our atmosphere at significantly lowers speeds than FTL actually implode from the impact.

This flick isn't even consistent with the last one. Don't the clowns in the story group get tired of sucking up shit and trying to convince people of the taste?

Luke Robinson
Luke Robinson

If a question as simple as "why don't they do this obvious thing" completely destroys the logic of your universe, then there was never any logic holding it together in the first place.

What that's what this thread is saying. Why can't you hyperspace ram? Because it's not possible. How come it works in TLJ then? Because TLJ is shit and fucks up Star Wars.

Chase Baker
Chase Baker

no, it destroys your perception at the universe having logic in the first place. People who aren't retarded have known this for decades

Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

Raddus is 1/20th the size of the Supremacy, in fact, the Raddus didn't only take down the Supremacy, it took down the Supremacy and every other SD behind it, probably enough mass to be compared as 4 Supremacies. That turns the ratio into 1/80.

So you basically can now basically sacrifice something like an xwing (10 meter long) and destroy an SD (1km long) which was the entire point of the question.

I just fucking destroyed your own explanation with your fucking facts, you fat midget.

Jack Taylor
Jack Taylor

When confronted with an argument, the brainlet /pol/-tard posts someone's meme video from youtube because he has no capacity to form his own arguments

You people are pathetic.

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

Can hyperspace through shields

So shields are literally useless in Star Wars now too?

You can hyperspace in a condensed space, from a stationary position, through shields, and collisions result in expanding rates of damage.

This "war" should have been over in a bout a week after literally every single person got obliterated by basic tech.

Joseph Cox
Joseph Cox

Because it's not possible
no, it is and always was possible

David Butler
David Butler

load of horse shit to explain their monumental cannon-breaking fuckups.

Sebastian Butler
Sebastian Butler

Norway

Is a capitalist country, predominantly white, and lives and breathes under U.S. military protection.

Meanwhile, in socialist Venezuela...

Matthew Cox
Matthew Cox

pic

top kek

Justin Walker
Justin Walker

So because this new director took liberties with the logic of the past movies, it retroactively eliminates any logic the past movies had?

Josiah Roberts
Josiah Roberts

This

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

It was literally a nazi, moron. See

Every single thing I have posted in this thread has been 100% correct, as usual.

William Cox
William Cox

In this episode: The leftist desperately, bitterly searches for an argument to be had when none exists, and turns to his friend Commrade Strawman to take the place in it's absence.

Thomas Taylor
Thomas Taylor

I'm going to explain this incoherent internal consistence with more incoherent and internal consistence
Well, at least they're consistent in something

Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis

retroactively eliminates
no. The logic was never there in the first place. None of it ever made sense to even the slightest amount of scrutiny. All this does is reveal how dumb and stupid it all always was, and people who were dumb enough to take it seriously are upset

Nathan Butler
Nathan Butler

Norway
my teacher was to Norway, he said everything was super expansive. he could not even buy fish
side note: I have a friend in denmark whos whole family is crazy or on drugs

Samuel Ortiz
Samuel Ortiz

You don't even need to waste resources. Just salvage hyperdrives from old pieces of shit and load it onto a large hollow empty space barge. Now you have cheap and effective guided projectiles that either will only cost one life, or just that of a droid.

David Ward
David Ward

If Hyperspace isn't intended to be a separate dimension, why do you go "to" it and "through" it? Why is the phrase "tracked through Hyperspace" even used? Wouldn't it just reduced to "tracked through space" or just "tracked?"

Justin Rogers
Justin Rogers

The republic should have built an anti-deathstar, deathstar.

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

Wouldn't work, since the ability to jump in and out of hyperspace in a fraction of a second was the climax of the first film.
It's all fucked. Every single thing.

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

1. I'm not the guy you initially responded to. I just joined in.

2. I'm not even a neo-nazi, let alone literally a nazi.

Every single thing I have posted in this thread has been 100% correct, as usual.

Not anymore, I guess.

Hudson Gutierrez
Hudson Gutierrez

While your logic isn't wrong, your math is, because like pretty much everyone else in this thread you are retarded. Mass doesn't scale that way, all the other star destroyers in the fleet would barely make up 1/5 of the mass of the Supremacy.

Hudson Jenkins
Hudson Jenkins

None of it ever made sense to even the slightest amount of scrutiny

Yes it did. It's not Star Wars's fault you struggle to follow along with children's entertainment.

Connor Rodriguez
Connor Rodriguez

The jews are evil and must be gassed!!
I'm not a nazi though hehe

Aaron Sullivan
Aaron Sullivan

There shouldn't even be a war, the Galaxy would have been destroyed 5000 years previously during the Great Hyperspace War. You can't tell me that advanced civilizations that have used hyperspace for at least that long, quadrillions of beings, would never thought to hyperspace into each other during the thousands of conflicts spanning 25,000 years?

Thomas Lewis
Thomas Lewis

yes. If you could have done X dumb thing before than you not having done it makes you look even dumber. its like having POTUS print unlimited money and it solving all the issues in the country, people would ask why no other POTUS had done it

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

ramming people with bullets isn't cost effective!
stealing dump trucks from whitey and ramming it into a parade isn't cost effective!
building pilotless kamikaze planes (MISSILES) to ram planes, ships and ragheads in tents isn't cost effective!

Jeremiah Clark
Jeremiah Clark

So according to Johnson, F!=m*a? And k!=.5*m*v^2?
Good to know

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

honestly TFA was worse in this respect as well. that whole thing was so fucking retarded.

Leo Turner
Leo Turner

The jews are evil and must be gassed!!

[citation needed]

Brayden Allen
Brayden Allen

Well the problem is they said Supremacy and Raddus are close in size. Not sure what they mean by size. Length? Width? Volume? Mass?

Whatever measure you want though Raddus is nowhere near Supremacy. We pick length because it's got easy listed values. But if we're talking volume or mass the differences between the two ships would be even more extreme.

Jordan Thomas
Jordan Thomas

How many posts until we hit "I wuz just pretendin' to be retarded!"

Colton Morgan
Colton Morgan

dude, it's time to move star wars forward into the 21st century and have important conversations about turning your brain off, not thinking for yourself, avoiding agency in your life, and blind faith in authority figures. you altrighters are so stupid

Kayden Wood
Kayden Wood

So, it's impossible to defend against a hyperspace attack?
Well, that sucks.

Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

but the falcon literally hyperjumped from the hanger bay of another ship in the last movie

Kayden Fisher
Kayden Fisher

But it was there. Just the fact that no one is using FTL weapons implies that it's not possible or at least wouldn't be effective. Holdo's maneuver instead says that not only are FTL weapons possible, but they are extremely effective, moreso than any weapon in the star wars universe. Therefore, this scene is the problem, it is not consistent with the rest of star wars.

Matthew Hughes
Matthew Hughes

No no no
The impact energy of the X-wing would exceed the energy holding the atoms of the X-wing together and it would literally explode

Ayden Evans
Ayden Evans

Do these idiots even watch the movies they make? A Corellian corvette could hyperspace ram a Star Destroyer, or a Rebel Transport.

Thomas Powell
Thomas Powell

what's this from?

Zachary Miller
Zachary Miller

They have an entire department devoted to this.

It's run by women of color.

Like the DMV.

Gabriel Diaz
Gabriel Diaz

Do you realize that people like you are why bad sci-fi movies are made where characters waste time explaining basic concepts of their universe that all the other characters should already know?

In good movies, the script respects the audience enough to assume they'll be able to infer how things work from natural dialogue and seeing what happens on the screen.

Star Wars movies used to be good in part because they were the second type. And for the autists who couldn't pick up on things, they made books explaining it. That doesn't mean those things aren't canon just because they're only explicitly stated in supplementary material.

Lucas Gray
Lucas Gray

Then the cruiser wouldn't have destroyed the FO fleet if it was in a different plane of existence.

Ryder Stewart
Ryder Stewart

How in hell did Snoke even gets these kinds of resources? This shit makes no sense.

Mason Gomez
Mason Gomez

Right, it would be like a ghost going through a wall.

Evan Price
Evan Price

Luke, did I ever tell you about Hyperspace Ramming? It's a combat maneuver that no one in the history of the Republic ever used in spite of having access to FTL technology for thousands of years. It is an attack so devastating that whichever side uses it first wins. End of story. There are no safeguards against it, so now that it has been discovered, it is wisest to resort to it at the slightest hint of danger, because if you hesitate, your side has already lost. It took a smart and brave lady general to discover the technique. Had she been just a bit less brave and a bit more intelligent, the concept of "remote control" might have occurred to her as well and she could have been a good friend

Jose Bennett
Jose Bennett

So would whatever it hit.

Kayden Long
Kayden Long

ITS QUITE LITERALLY THIS

YAAAASSSSS ITS HER TURN

THIS IS WHY WE NEED STRONG FEMALE LEADERS, NO MAN COULD HAVE COME UP WITH SUCH A BRAVE STRATEGY #IMPEACH

Cameron Gonzalez
Cameron Gonzalez

Rey didn't care, so neither should we.

Robert Martin
Robert Martin

I could try to defend it and say
Maybe they got a plan, in Episode IX it will reveal that Snoke escaped from Battle of Jakku, retreated into the Unknown Region and found the long lost Star Forge

But really who gives a fuck at this point. We all know they didn't have it planned.

Justin Cox
Justin Cox

Because it's a sci-fi from the seventies so they throw a bunch of mumbo jumbo to sound scientific. They also say jump to light speed. They also say you can crash into things, how are you supposed to crash into things if you're in another dimension? You could say they get pulled out or something, so show me when in the movies they establish that.

The problem is you can conclude they're going fast since they can crash into things. Then some fucking book comes and says it's another dimension, but hey there's a problem since Han said you can crash into things, what do we do? Oh just say you can get pulled out by gravity or whatever.

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

You fucking autist, if sci-fi movies had to explain away all of their differences from the modern world and its understandings of science, they wouldn't have time for a story. Internal consistency is what's supposed to replace autistic technobabbling for anyone not on the spectrum.

Gavin Myers
Gavin Myers

The size difference between Snokes ship and the cruiser is comparable to an X wing and Star Destroyer

Mason Cook
Mason Cook

If you used the hyperspace ram on the death star, the damage would've been negligible. The station was just too massive and too heavily armored. The rebels could've thrown their whole fleet at it in a retarded attempt at suicide attack, and it still probably would've kept on trucking.

Alexander Wilson
Alexander Wilson

Its cost effective because 1 small ship can take out a destroyer it could not have taken in a fight. a lot of rebellion equipment is stolen anyways and they could have saved both on ships and people

Luke Hill
Luke Hill

More like a Rebel Transport to a Star Destroyer, which is relevant because we see one unable to make the jump in Rogue One and instead crash in real space into Devastator, exploding completely.

Lincoln Gutierrez
Lincoln Gutierrez

This. Good post user

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

just make it bigger lmao

Landon Rodriguez
Landon Rodriguez

Why didn't they just ram the not-Rebels first? Why didn't Poe or some other so-brave pilot ram the Dreadnought at the beginning? Why didn't the Reb-*cough*-Resistance have a ship sitting around empty just to use this tactic? Why didn't the not-Empire ram the base at the beginning? How about the end? What about Starkiller Base? Matter of fact, why the fuck would anyone ever build a Death Star to begin with?

Luis Hall
Luis Hall

star killer base is smaller than pulto
neat

Colton Smith
Colton Smith

To what? Its own bullshit physics? What's wrong with introducing more bullshit physics then? Fits right into the universe.

This just goes to show that the people who claim to like TLJ, hate Star Wars.

Jaxon Myers
Jaxon Myers

Thanks Rian, this debate will never end.

Ian Morgan
Ian Morgan

toyed with him a bit

In the middle of a planet-wide meltdown. See the problem?

Isaiah Watson
Isaiah Watson

IN ADDITION ABOUT 5 FUCKHUGE STARDESTROYERS SPREAD OUT WIDELY IN FORMATION ALSO GET SPLIT DOWN THE MIDDLE FROM PRESUMABLY BONUS HYPERSPACE SHRAPNEL

WOAH SO THIS IS THE POWER OF FEMINISM

PURPLE HAIR > THE FORCE > PHYSICS

Isaiah Long
Isaiah Long

Won't work. Since Rogue One it has been shown you can jump within the gravity well of the planet. Can do the same thing with this.

Nicholas Smith
Nicholas Smith

Additionally, defensive shields of ships in Star Wars are robust enough to render sub-lightspeed ramming an ineffective tactic

Except in ESB when 3 Star destroyers nearly collide while pursuing the falcon. Why were all those imperials doing evasive maneuvers again?

Hudson Butler
Hudson Butler

Conquered by fucking who? Fucking Swedes lmao? Are Americans seriously this fucking retarded?

inb4 but muh evil Russia

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

It's not autism since Han says you can crash into things, as far as i know this other dimension is established in a book and contradicts the movie. Seriously, how hard is it to understand that? You can't retcon a movie with a fucking book. It's very clear they're going fast from the first movie, it's not me being autistic, it's literally what they say(we can't just accelerate because we will crash into something). I honestly want to be convinced i'm wrong because it would make TLJ look worse, but i just can't see the ramming as an impossibility Why they never did it before? Sur, that is a good question, but not that it shouldn't work.

Joseph Hughes
Joseph Hughes

I too have read The Expanse

Michael Cooper
Michael Cooper

The hyperspace ram is such a ridiculously powerful weapon that it would act like a nuclear deterrent and bring world peace

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

Nailed it.

Levi Lopez
Levi Lopez

Almost every person in this thread is an actual retard who has no business posting anything on a public forum.

High school dropouts trying to talk about realistic science in a fantasy movie
Autists who can't understand concepts like internal logic
Inbred altrighters spouting their usual idiocy
The usual delusional fanboys
"Purists" who declare everything they don't like non-canon and try to argue with their idea of canon as a baseline
Bunch of people who just miss every point being made

I seriously weep for humanity.

Owen Miller
Owen Miller

But how didn't Sheev have things this big, when he had the Galaxy under control for twenty whole years instead of being some terrorist? What do they even have that can make so many city sized ship so fast?

I'm so confused...

Jose Johnson
Jose Johnson

projecting this fucking hard
I seriously weep for humanity

How old are you?

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

No upvotes here, friend.

Austin Carter
Austin Carter

it's worse than a nuclear deterrent, you can't see them coming so you can't do a counter attack. nuclear deterrents work because the other side has enough time to launch their missiles as well. in an ftl engagement you literally can't detect the attack before you are dead. ftl devices cause the entire galaxy to go dark because the only defense is to not be found.

Noah Anderson
Noah Anderson

It's a "superweapon" from KOTOR. It lifts matter off stars and use them to build stuff in it's automated factories.

It's located in the Unknown Region which the Empire didn't care to explore.

Josiah Rodriguez
Josiah Rodriguez

They still go at lightspeed in regular space at the very start and end of a hyperdrive jump(when the stars turn into lines), pay some fucking attention autismo.

TLJ doesn't even contradict how hyperspace works, the Rebel ship clearly hits the Supremacy while still in the startup phase.

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

You can't retcon a movie with a fucking book.
Why?

Jose Lee
Jose Lee

Pretty sure the line is "you could end up inside a star" and whether that means crashing into one or coming out of hyperspace inside of or too close to escape from a start is ambiguous, but still, the lack of hyperspace capable tungsten rods being shot at each other should indicate hyperspace ramming isn't possible.

...that being said, if destroyer shields can stop a cruiser going at hyperspace capable speeds, it's weird they couldn't stop the one A-wing destroying the Super Star destroyer in RotJ.

Justin Green
Justin Green

What does that change though? You could still use the same technique to ram other ships.

Elijah Jenkins
Elijah Jenkins

That's literally what he said.

Juan Wilson
Juan Wilson

Nice headcanon lad

Connor Hall
Connor Hall

go into hyperspace
stop right before the target
engage hyperspace immediately

Julian Wright
Julian Wright

The number one reason it shouldn't be considered possible is that it's never used. It's insanely destructive, basically a one-move checkmate that you'd be an idiot not to employ at every given opportunity.

The ubiquity of hyperdrives is the other issue. You can't swing a dead Jawa without hitting one of the things. The Rebels would use this tactic, the Empire would, the Hutts would, your pissed-off next-door neighbor would, fucking Kanjiclub would. No Empire would ever arise in an environment where pissed-off spacetruckers could wreck entire fleets just by putting the hammer down.

Charles Cook
Charles Cook

it's weird they couldn't stop the one A-wing destroying the Super Star destroyer in RotJ

did you watch the movie? they literally lost forward deflector shields right before that.

Bentley King
Bentley King

The events in Star Wars happened in our universe and the thing about constants is that they are constant

Thomas Campbell
Thomas Campbell

They still go at lightspeed in regular space at the very start and end of a hyperdrive jump

When is that established?

Because the movies always take precedence. Don't pretend to be stupid.

He says "we could fly right through a star".

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

you literally can't detect the attack before you are dead
Haha, true
It seems there is no mutually assured destruction, but however invents it first and decides to use, could wipe out his enemies before they even knew they got hit. On superpower would be left :(

Josiah Baker
Josiah Baker

scientists like, uhm, like Chomsky and... that painter... and that philosopher... and that sociology guy

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