Don't you think it's a little on the nose there, Jew Jew Abrams?

Don't you think it's a little on the nose there, Jew Jew Abrams?

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Why is there nothing intimidating about their armor?

>underlings all wear white armor
>leader wears black
hmm

Inb4 they were always nazis

The Nazis fought against the (in their eyes) Jewish-controlled governments, Communism and to secure living space and prosperity for the German people.
What is the First Order actually fighting for? What is their ideology? What is their goal besides reinstating the empire, which they more or less achieved in the beginning of VIII?

Hitler dubs checked

>been that way since 1977
fuck off

they literally were.even darth vader is a german fucking name

>black officer in top left corner

but I thought they were white supremacist?

>even darth vader is a german fucking name
German here, neither Darth nor Vader exist as words in German.

now fuck off.

show ONE instance of the Empire being actually anti-alien on screen before this kike took over

>they literally were
please show me where the Empire ""LITERALLY"" talked about racial purity and gassing subhumans

>in their eyes
Kys

George tried to explain that in the prequels but brainlets didn’t want politics in muh star wars

The nose knows.

they're not anti-alien now

not what i meant

>not what i meant
you said they were LITERALLY Nazis
what did they do that relates to Nazism?

fascists bent on conquering everyone

Same old stuff. Peace and order to the galaxy. Rid it of crime and opposition. Also, degenerate aliens.

and when in the films do the Imperials discuss the tenants of fascism?

>they need to discuss it for it to be there
nah

>build Nazi regime
>fill it with strong black female officers
???

Not going to excuse these new movies or JJ, but they were pretty "human supremacist" outside of the original trilogy. There's a reason you almost (if ever) see a single non-human trooper and they sent aliens like the Wookies off to labor camps.

yes retard
the Empire could be any form of totalitarian regime but you seem bent on them being Fascist with nothing in the source material pointing to such

Anakin once talks about wanting a strong leader instead of the senate.

That's all.

he could be a Monarchist

so when you say they were always nazis, are you implying the Empire were nazis? Lucas did say he modeled the officer uniforms from SS uniforms and such, but that's pretty much as far as it goes. They actually have more in common with communists than nazis.

top kek

they don't need to discuss it when the fucking characteristics are there. are you going to argue they are communists? they're totally fascists. get over it

>left-handed raised fist
That's literally a communist/black power salute. Do they also sing the Internationale?

I mean they could be communist but no time is taken to talk about their social programs or fiscal polity
same with fascism, there's no actual implication that they are outside of your soy infused headcanon

He’s right you know

>all stormtroopers are bad
>except for this one good one we follow for most of the movie
I think JJ's heart wasn't really into the Jewing on this one. Then again Finn was black so maybe JJ's Jewing on levels beyond my comprehension.

the social programs don't need to be discussed in-universe when they're fucking shown on-screen. i'd hate to watch a movie directed by you. apparently dialogue is needed to convey everything...

so here's the implications you complete an utter moron:
1) autocracy
2) suppression of all opposition with force
3) centralized government
4) "empire"
5) "emperor"
6) complete economic and social reform

do I need to go on or do you get the picture shit for brains?

>has an Emperor
>rule of a multi-ethnic Empire
>has Emperor's Royal Guards
>people treat the Emperor like a demigod
>diminishes the power of the senate
>their enemy is a rebel faction clinging to an ancient superstition

They are the Romans. Rebels are Jews.

>darth vader is a german fucking name
No

>they literally were.even darth vader is a german fucking name
It's dutch

But they have no noses. ????????????????

The Romans appreciated many of their enemies, even while conquering them. The Empire appreciates none but itself.

other than 4 and 5 communist regimes are exactly like that

Snokes guards were literally called praetors

>they literally were
They were a generic evil empire for the underdogs to fight.The uniforms looked like Nazi uniforms, they spoke in Bristish accents vs. the Rebels' American accents, and a lot of the design was based on Japanese things (like Vader's armor being a Samurai space suit). The Enpire weren't Nazis, or anything else in specific, they just borrowed imagery when needed to give a visual reference that they were the bad guys.
>darth vader is a german fucking name
No it isn't. Lucas saying he meant it to mean "dark father" is retrospective bullshit. I don't think he even had Vader planned to be Luke's father by the first movie. He wore a dark suit and invaded a ship. Dark invader. Darth Vader.

Communism doesn't have classes you fucking moron. Everything is owned by the public. Completely different from a fascist empire.

There was a chink and poo in TLJ too IIRC

all we see about the Empire is the military, we never see who owns the means of production

>Communism doesn't have classes you fucking moron
oh no no no no

>who owns the means of production
The fucking Emperor?

>Communism doesn't have classes

toppest of keks

None of the things you list are specific to fascism, they could apply to almost any totalitarian regime. Fascism is not a synonym for a right-wing totalitarian government. Fascism refers to something very specific, and only two governments in history have been truly fascist (Italy and Nazi Germany). Most experts of 1900s history and fascism agree that even Franco's Spain and pre-Anschluss "Austrofascism" didn't meet all the requirements to be truly fascist, but were merely "parafascist" and just shared superficial elements with it.

Don't companies produce most of the tech in soy wars? I'm guessing that would make them fascist

there's lots of nazi imagery, is it supposed to mean something or does lucas just like nazi stuff

Okay how about nationalism? How about glory through military might? The people exist to serve the state?

There's no way around it. The Empire is most closely related to a fascist regime.

he's just the grand central planner :^)

You have fave a facist regime without employing racial policies. Nazis are just the golden example of such a regime.

Holy shit you're a dummy

The Empire is America and the Rebels are the Vietnamese

I swear to god you stormfags are all brain dead. Educate yourselves you dumb cunts

nypost.com/2014/09/21/how-star-wars-was-secretly-george-lucas-protest-of-vietnam/

history.com/news/the-real-history-that-inspired-star-wars

"In a 2005 interview published in the Chicago Tribune, Lucas said he originally conceived “Star Wars” as a reaction to Nixon’s presidency. “It was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a [second] term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”"

40% of the audience, made up of retards and children, probably didn't get the reference. They should have gotten the Hux guy to grow a mustache

That would be absolute monarchy you dumb chode. There is more than a single type of authoritarian govt other than muh nazis

>a Swedish word meaning father that was apparently just a coincidence as Lucas, in his autistic genius, just wanted to call them darth invader and darth insidious but chopped off the ‘in’ for a better effect
You just watched pitch fucking perfect and tried to sound smart, huh? Anyway Lucas took Nazi propaganda and aesthetics for designing the rebels, not imperials. They were more based off a mix of Art Deco, samurai shit, and vaguely Roman and world war 1 themes. Lucas was very intent that just Nazis lmao would he trite and pointless

All three things you listed could describe Stalin's Russia with its nationalist "socialism in one state." Or any non-fascist far-right regime. You kinda missed the whole "right wing totalitarian != fascist" thing, huh?

They could have spliced in footage of a Nuremberg rally and it wouldn't have made it any clearer

Monarchies don't rely on conquering all of their opponents.

Not really. The last one arguably.

>glory through millitary might/national pride

Both of those have occured in all sorts of regimes, more frequently communist ones than Fascist ones.

>Monarchies don't rely on conquering all of their opponents.
Tell that to the Turks.

Theres a deleted scene in the new hope whete biggs tells luke the empire will probably nationalize uncle owens farm. Its the only economic discussion involving the empire iirc and it sounds pretty commie to me.

>the empire is communist
lmao

Not sure whats funnier, that he buys into the ideology sauce or that he believes there's no naturally occurring hierarchy within all societies known to man.

Sounds like Rome to me

Kropotkin, it's time to stop posting.

>not knowing about the Kuat families
>not realizing the Empire is a stabilizing hegemony
Emps doesn't control the means, he simply tugs the strings of those that do. In this case he gained loyalty through turning one of the Techno Unionist against the CIS through planning.

Just because they have doesn't make it one of their tenants. America currently has a great oligarchy going on. Doesn't make it apart of democracy. You can throw whataboustisms all you want, but, strictly speaking, communism is not about nationalism, military might or any sort of existing for the state. It's about production and classless equality.

If the Empire integrated the culture's of it's conquested nations into their own I would agree with you. They don't. They remove all traces of it. Like a facist regime.

He wasn't the Emperor at that time. I'm discussing the OT not the prequels.

A heavy top down hiearchy with the leaders back stabbing each other all the time, whilst they scheme about super weapons and discard legions of poorly trained infantry.

disney ret conning aside there is nothing specifically making the empire right or left wing.

>They remove all traces of it

Just like the Romans did with the Jews and Britons, it's because of them we hardly know anything about Druids.

aren't Druids still around or are they just LARPers?

Cool white instead of warm white armor, and the "mouth" connecting to the eyes makes it look like a goofy face

>Not really. The last one arguably.
Stalin's Russia was nationalist. Stalin removed the Internationale as the USSR's anthem and replaced it with a more specifically Russian one, withdrew from Comintern, and re-opened churches to help boost Russian nationalism against Germany during the war. For the second point, just look up some videos of Soviet military parades. In fact, the three points you listed all describe North Korea, a current neo-Stalinist state, perfectly. They're hyper nationalist slaves to the Kim regime who justify and define their existence around their military. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about, none of the traits of the Empire you bring up are in any way specific to fascism. Even though they are implicitly right-wing, even the explicit points elaborated on screen about the Empire could easily apply to many nominally leftist regimes.

This is taken from wookiepedia. Notice anything?

Fair enough if you're excluding the architecture work. Though even in OT Kuat isn't controled directly, they just see it as a Contract as much as CEC or Sienar Fleet Systems. He never took direct control as far a I remember.

some kike author is going to state that the Empire were fascists and it will be immortalized in nuCanon

Facism does not need to be economic left. I don't know enough about the economy of the Empire to place it on an economic scale with complete confidence, but it seems to me, in the OT, that their was a free market which would at least prevent it from being far-left.

Simply because they didn't value their culture. But there's many other cultures, such as the greeks, that the Romans integrated into their own heavily. Has the Empire done that ever?

Again. Using perverted forms of governments that have existed do not count against what the actual tenants are! Stalinism has never truly been called true communism. In fact, true communism has been said to never have actually existed!

Hardly a credible source.

/this

calling the empire fascist is arbritrary and historically illiterate.

>herp >>>>pol

Come on. The vast number of on going deaths at the hands of current authoritarian communist regimes make them a contemporary issue, more so than Nazism.

>hardly a credible source
>a site only uses canon materials as a source
you've officially lost the argument lmao

>you need to be racist to be fascist
brainlet

It's edited by complete and utter autists.

they are fascists you fucking dummy

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galactic_Empire_(Star_Wars)

"Star Wars creator George Lucas sought to make the Galactic Empire aesthetically and thematically similar to Nazi Germany and to appear to be fascist.[4] Like Nazi Germany, the Galactic Empire is a dictatorship based on rigid control of society that dissolved a previous democracy and is led by an all-powerful supreme ruler.[5] The Empire, like the Nazis, desires the creation of totalitarian order[6] and utilizes excessive force and violence to achieve their ends.[6] The name of the Empire's main soldiers, the Stormtroopers, is somewhat similar to the name given to Hitler's Sturmabteilung (SA, "storm detachment") paramilitary bodyguards.[5] "

kill yourself

who are very thorough and follow canon, they wound't make shit up like you're doing

I trust the actual autists at wookieepedia more than (((wikipedia)))

lol such a dumb cunt stormfag. kill yourself

Well an ugly inflamed scrotum would say that about race.

What have I made up? You can't just say "hey look what these other guys arbitrarily stated! I win!"

Even then, you're splitting hairs. Facism is more closely related to a hybrid of monarchy and military dictatorship than communism is. Might as well just say "technically..."

The galaxy is very human centric from the start, there just happen to be aliens. The empire was all humans in the high ranks and military, but also employed alien bounty hunters for top level jobs.

Even the rebels are mostly humans.

Tatooine is one of the few planets we see that has a multicultural/species society, most are shown with a single dominant alien race

>stormfag
what the fuck are you on about?
I don't give a shit about the weather

say that to my face and not online

yes, but what are their economic principles?

He aint purdy in any universe...

you just want the empire to be leftists/communists so that you can feel like nazis are good guys.

kill yourself stormfag

the single scene they go ibto any economic detail about the empire as
said paints it in a commie light. Really the Empire is amalgam of numerous authoritarian regimes such as Rome, The British Empire, Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia and maybe even a dash of Imperial Japan and Vietnam-era America itself a well

the only non-Romans the Romans held any sort of respect for were the Greeks tbqh

They have a free market at the very least.

Are you aware facist regimes do the same? The fact that they aren't already a state production plant proves it isn't communism. Facism has a mixture of state and private production. Private property and private wealth is allowed. Usually, it's reserved for important people or where it's not really desired to control (such as a random moisture farm).

It's because the First Order designs are based on Apple iProducts instead of historical German infantry, to the point they have cheap white plastic on their blasters.

>wikipedia is a source

and you want them to be literal Nazis so you can turn Star Wars into some antifa fantasy and self insert into it