Fictional African country that was never colonized

>fictional African country that was never colonized
>somehow the richest and most advanced nation in the world

I honestly can't get over the sheer blistering stupidity of this premise

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youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c
thoughtco.com/communist-countries-overview-1435178
iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
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It's almost like colonization and poverty have something in common.

t. ass mad Wh*Toid

so what's haitis problem?

>what is qatar, dubai, saudi arabia etc.

Those aren't blacks.

Uncontrolled capitalism.

The real irony is that without colonization Africa would probably still have slavery today

>fictional country has magic rock with asspull powers typical of comicbooks
par for the course

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>probably still have slavery today
bbc.com/news/world-africa-42492687

communism doesn't w--

countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/cuba/port-au-prince

Consider the fact that Cuba is completely embargoed and sanctioned by drumpfmerica for the past 50 years, while Haiti has had an endless stream of gibs and aids programs.

Yet Cuba is way better off in terms of quality of life than Haiti.

still going on, and Muslim countries have a hand in it

Cuba is also not a nation of literal niggers

>>somehow the richest and most advanced nation in the world
Did they not cover the massive chunk of magic space rock in the movie or something?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuba#Economy
>Before Fidel Castro's 1959 revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.

Africa has some of the most resource rich land in the world. If tribes managed to stop killing each other and burning everything to the ground long enough to band together to exploit those resources they very well could be a world superpower. It's extremely unlikely, though.

>It's extremely unlikely, though.
Why? Africa is making improvements constantly. Botswana and much of East Africa are good examples.

It just appears that little is happening, because they're so far behind that even a 20 year increase in life expectancy still seems like nothing.

communism is good on paper, that it strives to take care of its citizens. However, communism also doesn't want anyone gaining too much either, so that the dictators can stay in place.

Dictators brainwash their citizens about taking care of them, but then never lets them elevate above their station.

Capitalism is shit too, like when you make everything about money, certain things will never progress. We are still using the same type of treatment for cancer that we were fucking 70 years ago because it makes the most money, for instance. Every time you hear about some new shit that its kicking cancers ass, like when they engineered part of the HIV virus to actually kill it, its never heard from again, and chemo comes back on the menu.

Capitalism tends to perpetuate the problems it claims to solve. Basically though, everything sucks because people suck.

Meanwhile....
Hong Kong WAS colonized and is now the richest place on Earth

Australia??

>communism is good on paper
No it's not
youtube.com/watch?v=OlB_xNOAn1c

>>It's extremely unlikely, though
>Why?
>because they're so far behind

>misunderstanding the "not real communism" argument that hard
Fucking hell. I like Peterson, but that was just embarrassing.
People make this argument because there are a specific set of criteria that need to be reached for a society to be called Communist. No place, outside a few communes, has ever achieved that.
But you can still point out the flaws in nations that tried.

They're far behind, but they have a positive rate of change. It just generally seems like nothing to most Westerners.
But if you check the UN reports on this kind of thing, every area of their society is picking up. Africa might never be great, but it's going to get a lot better.

You are literally the person he is talking about in the clip

So what? He's not making a logical argument.

>Oh yes it is real Communism, because Russia and China did it!
What the fuck?

Haiti was actually doing good until the late 90's, things sorta went to shit after that.

but isn't the whole point that they have stupid ridiculous natural resources under their land
I mean it's bit of a stretch to imagine how they managed to develop even the most basic technology without domesticated farm animals but it's dumb fucking popcorn blockbuster don't overthink it

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His argument doesn't make sense. It's not gold just because it comes from Peterson's mouth.

i sure love watching people take other peoples arguments on communism vs capitalism and pass them off as their own online without realising they sound just as silly as the person who originally said it

Which parts don't make sense?
Was the Soviet Union real communism?

His first point.
>"First, oh yes it was [real communism], that's why it also happened in China."
That doesn't make follow any sort of logic.

why do you have to defend dictatorships user

just think about your life for a second

He's talking about the starvation that happened as a result of the communism.
Fuck off stupid troll

He's clearly talking about whether those nations were really communist or not. That's why he precedes his argument by saying how neo-Marxists believe they weren't.

Besides that, starvation isn't exclusive to communism either.

>that's why it also happened in China
JP is referring to the mass starvation and killings that mirrored each other across two completely different cultures (China and the USSR) under the same political system.
You're a stupid kid, you're supposed to be 18 to post here.

That doesn't mean those nations were really communist. It's just a moot point.

>the KANGZ is nigger Trump

>Before Fidel Castro's 1959 revolution, Cuba was one of the most advanced and successful countries in Latin America.
>After the Cuban revolution and before the collapse of the Soviet Union, Cuba depended on Moscow for substantial aid and sheltered markets for its exports. The loss of these subsidies sent the Cuban economy into a rapid depression known in Cuba as the Special Period.

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You are literally the point of the video.
You are doing it on purpose too.
Last (you) for you

if you get triggered by fictional stuff you are literally a soy golem.

>You are literally the point of the video.
Not a neo-Marxist or some utopian socialist. Peterson just isn't making a point.
Recognizing the argument someone is using doesn't mean it loses all power. That's just childish.

Your only argument is that the world has never seen 'real communism'. Peterson says it has, you say he's wrong.
Is you version of communism the winner?

>communism doesn't w--
work
there, finished your sentence for you.

No country has EVER claimed to have achieved communism.

now this is communism

What is your definition of communism?

I'm saying, there are specific criteria that have to be fulfilled for a system to be considered communist. No place has done that on a large scale.

What point has Peterson made that they were genuinely Communist? Even the places he mentioned went by the term 'Socialist' instead.

Doesn't matter because
>No country has EVER claimed to have achieved communism.
That's a fact.
for example Stalin caled the Soviet Union "state capitalist" or "socialist"
t. not a commie

>Haiti was actually doing good
French colonies are even worst than the Spaniards/Portugueses

I believe it usually starts with "workers own the means of production"

Timbuktu used to be a thing

kys faggot
thoughtco.com/communist-countries-overview-1435178

That explains why Australia has the lowest GDP in the wor- oh wait a second

Hong Kong would disagree.
Also you realize england was colonized by rome when they were in a more similar state as africa was?

Dem poor niggas was colonized by dem stupid ass frogs mang. Ain't no Frenchies eva stepped foot on dat beautiful Hispanola dey would be in space right now and you best believe dats tha truth!

it does still have slavery

>fantasizing and imagining are good when I do them but not when other people do them when I don't like thing

>China
>communist
Yea, Ma Yun's self-made $50 billion fortune was really in line with Marxist thought

woops, I thought this was another comfy stargate thread. You faggots caring on.

Ethiopia was never colonized.

It’s the natural and expected outcome of giving the government full control of the citizenry. Marx was a moron for not foreseeing that.

It was still communism.

>do better next time

>It was still communism.
Prove this to me.
First define what Communism is and display how China fulfilled that.

Maybe it has to do with the type of people that are prone to being colonized rather than the act itself?
Hong Kong is doing pretty fucking good.
NZ, Austrailia, USA, etc, all colonies.
India is placed to excel on the global stage, only their caste system holding the masses back.

The problem is stone age niggers with a 60-70 IQ but no one will admit that.

iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

And England took over 500 years to stop being a shithole after the Romans left.
And it took the Danes and the Franks conquering them to make them civilized.
Africa has been freed of white colonization for 50 years.

The kid is the living example of what Peterson is talking about in the video that triggered him

>NZ, Austrailia, USA, etc, all colonies.
Yeah but they're not being ran by the natives, obviously.

Why don't blacks see how condescending it is?

Communism is a system in which the government controls the means of production (ie industry). All land is owned by the “public” and every body receives compensation “according to their needs”.

Here’s the problem: who gets to decide what a person’s needs are? You should now be able to see the inherent and inevitable failure of such a system.

As far as China being Communist, I don’t think this is really debatable. They’ve eased up on it a bit over the years, but the government still keeps an iron fist.

China is no longer commie, hasn't been for decades though they retained the authoritarian part.
You can own property there and run a businesses but government has some controls

Oh c'mon, some of those Africans were 10,000 years behind the rest of the world.

And Peterson's point is that if after multiple attempts at trying a system with communism at its core has resulted in major compromises to the ideology every time that make it an unfair, poor and often authoritarian shithole, the practical application of Communism has been tried and has failed miserably.

>not even the countries themselves call it communism
>but it was communism because I say so
are you retarded?

Beat your self in the head with a bat until you score 85 on an IQ test then watch the movie and tell us if you find it condescending

not him though, his version is right way, he can implement the communist utopia if only he had a chance

There are literally Maori seats in the NZ Parliament, dipshit.

You're just making a random statement on the internet and thinking it trumps history.

Marx was a historian who predicted that technology would allow proles to overthrow the capitalist class and establish a system where labor unions ran everything. The unions would produce their product for its own sake rather than being driven by profit motive and would be able to match any demand because they would have a surplus who laborers who all split their time between mastering their craft and indulging in extensive leisure activities. Basically you would work for the self-fulfillment of it and as a side effect you would produce everything that the market needed.

Needless to say this was a complete fantasy and it only gained traction at all because Marx published his ideas at a time when Central Europe was exploding into a maelstrom of anti-monarchist rebellions driven by the chaos of the industrial revolution. The rebels latched onto Marx and other popular thinkers of the day out of convenience, and from that point on he and his works became mascots for liberals who opposed established power structures.

tl;dr Communists are a motley collection of scoundrels driven by a simple will to power, and Communism itself is just a talisman they wear out of tradition or habit more than anything else.

startrek is that way faggot

No you
literally
Show me a quote from a leader of a ""communist"" country saying his country has achieved communism.

Syndicalism is better than communism in every way

Hyper advanced civilisation in the middle of nowhere is a cliche way older than you

>lose ways to sell your products and get outcompeted by larger multinational companies
>become poor
It's not a mystery. The US used to be one of Cuba's biggest importers of sugar and coffee. And the country was also under the rule of a US-supported dictator and Cuba was a vacation spot for the rich and powerful.

You seem to be forgetting the fact they had a giant fucking rock with the most powerful and sought-after substance in earth under the country, but continue ignoring that fact so you can KANGZ post more

you're dumb

Free infrastructure, education in the form of missionary schools and advances in medicine that prevented many cases of infant death. Meanwhile outside the colonized areas, they still lived in mud shithuts.

>Haiti was actually doing good until the late 90's

nigga did you just completely forget Papa Doc existed?

Why were they colonized in the first place ? Maybe because they were so technologicaly primitives that it was easy as fuck...

The French created it as a giant plantation and literally nothing else. It was never meant to be self-sufficient. And the French further sabotaged it by remanding reparation payments to slave-owners equivalent to a significant fraction of Haiti's GDP. This was not paid off until the 1950s.

The Dominican Republic, with a majority-mulatto population located on the EXACT SAME ISLAND, has over ten times Haiti's GDP per capita.

>tries to make "witty" smart comment
>proves himself a moron

haiti was a french colony from the very beginning.

do you morons actually think there were africans born in haiti that werent brought there or their decendants?

but possessing one resource in abundance doesn't drive technological advancement, especially because wakanda would be dependent on the entire rest of the world being advanced enough to want vibranium in order to have something to trade it for. If they were centuries ahead technologically, what would be the point of having a valuable resource? Did they trade it for bananas with neighboring countries that had backwards economies but still unaccountably advanced metallurgy? I don't watch capeshit, so maybe vibranium is a magic rock that makes you a genius, but that's really the only way resource abundance would make a society technologically advanced in isolation

Every non-African country has recovered perfectly well from colonialism. As soon as control was given back, they fucked it up. Rhodesia and South Africa are excellent examples of countries that were once prosperous before 'dem evil whities' were removed.

Yes. I'm sure that those savage tribes that killed each other on a daily basis and performed spiritual dances around the fire would be a superpower by now if it wasn't for evil whiteys. This is more pathetic and delusional than the "India will be superpower by 2020" shitposter.

yeah, they are inversely related

I haven't seen the movie, but from what I understand, the country is rich because they found the only source of some kind of super-substance there.

you're smart