So we all agree the Lena that survives is the alien clone right? good

So we all agree the Lena that survives is the alien clone right? good.

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Obviously. It thought it was the real one up until the interviewer asked her what the alien looked like.

Then she realised she was phone.

Are there people that say otherwise? The end scene is pretty unambiguous IMO.

The original Lena was phased out of existence from her DNA being fudged with beyond repair. It really doesn't matter who comes back, society is fucked either way.

It's just a stupid film. Her alien clone is burned down. But then the final Lean is presented as an alien. It's just nonsense designed to make people speculate endlessly.

Shes the real Lena. Her eyes changed due to the DNA mixing that happened when she was in the Shimmer. Just like how her tattoo stayed with her even after she left

>All this assuming
The only thing we can truly be sure of is that the alien "life form" (it could be a computer, a machine. The only thing we can be sure of is that it's alien) is beyond human comprehension.

There's literally nothing to support that assertion other than "muh unreliable narrator".

How do any of you think it's an alien? The movie clearly shows Lena killing the duplicate with a phosphorus grenade and she explicitly says how her DNA is changed

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No you fucking brainlet she’s the original. She’s just been mutated by staying in the shimmer.

yes, that is what the lena who comes back tells you retard. refer to
and the scene where she stares at the water

Even if you were right what would be the narrative purpose of that being true?

>society fucked

more like upgraded

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Red herring, misdirection. She is telling the interviewer what happened.

She stares at the water because she remembers what happened to the Kane clone at the beginning of the film, not because she’s an alien.

Annihilation (2018) is The Beyond tier
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"What are we....some kind of Suicide Squad?"

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she IS the fucking alien.
Did you happen to watch the movie? The things we see are the events told by Lena (or lena clone) interviewed afterwards.
She lied about the final scene. The alien didn't die, didn't self destruct. SHe is the alien, the lena clone. And fooled the other guys by telling them the alien burned

It's was pretty obvious to me that the Lena who escaped was an altered, fucked up version of the original. I also couldn't wait to escape because the movie was boring as fuck, and half of it looked like it was creating by a 12-year-old whose mother just bought him After Effects.

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Is this in the movie or just a production still?

reminder that it literally doesnt matter whether it is the clone or the original since she

a) has the originals memory
b) her dna isnt even human anymore

it's all academic, she's a shimmer sapien now and she APPEARS to have continuity of consciousness from original lena so we may as well call her original lena. the end scene where she goes all 'then who was phone' is because since entering the shimmer shit has made no sense and there is no way to be sure who or what she is since from her perspective she just interacted with some type of alien god thing. it can teleport and do all sorts of stuff, she blacked out with no memory multiple times over the course of the movie and just fought off a mimic, she cant be sure of anything at that point.

She's not the clone, but she's not the same as she was when she went in, either.

>The things we see are the events told by Lena (or lena clone) interviewed afterwards.
There's a problem here because she says she didn't know how it looked like. The story that unfolds is different from what she is telling which means that the burning down is reality and the final Lena. Yet the final Lena appears to be alien. It's just contradictory nonsense for plebs

>dude nothing that happened in the movie actually happened it was all a lie so she's an alien lmao

Funny how nobody can explain why she can't recount the aliens appearance to the interviewer, and then explains motives the aliens had she couldn't have known.

sorry you're too slow and naive to actually get it

original lena does not know what it looked like. we, the viewer, see the entity as a floating sphere with some mandelbrot set imagery and bright fiery core that looks like an eye. telling that to kublai khan is pretty fucking useless, we don't even know if that thing is the actual entity or a container or only the machine that creates clones...etc

>so we all agree that....

probably not

>she didn't know how it looked like
You're not even a native English speaker. Leave interpretation to people who can understand what they're watching.

traumatic events can mess your memory up, making you forget

>It's just contradictory nonsense for plebs
Like your posts
She's the alien

Then why didn't the shimmer get destroyed when Kane killed himself? Why can't the Kane clone remember anything but Lena can? Kane is a clone at the end and Lena is herself but her cells have been completely replaced/mutated by the shimmer.

Real Lena came out but was altered by months spent inside the Shimmer including time at the max altering point of the lighthouse

clone was clearly one holding grenade when it went off and eventually immolated, real Lena was clearly the one who ran outside and watched everything come down, can assume the clone eventually died as the immolation coincided with the collapse of the rest of the shimmer

she had memories of what happened before and after going into the shimmer save the gaps that were shared by all the expedition, meanwhile the Oscar Issac clone that we know for a fact was a clone had no memories before the lighthouse whatsoever,

She knew what the copy looked like and the thing was a big fucking fiery sphere, fucks sake

The alien isn't the clone. The alien is the thing that created the clone. How do you even describe it? And the motive she said was the lack of a motive, that it didn't seem to want anything in particular.

Her story contradicts or isn't fully what we see. She's lying at times or simply not remembering, but the audience sees the truth. She's not the clone.

The alien was the fractal blob thing, the bit of dialogue about not being able to explain it's form is just a Lovecraftian thing. The clone of Lena is the alien as much as the bear or flowers were the alien.

This is where my slight confusion comes in. It's heavily implied the lena at the end is the alien but you clearly see the real lena hand the alien the grenade and the alien blow up, so how the fuck would it be the alien at the end?

people are confusing not knowing how something look to not being able to describe how something looked after having to relive a very traumatic series of events, specifically something meant to be completely alien to her

>clone was clearly one holding grenade when it went off and eventually immolated
according to her, as people are trying to point out, what we see is her re-telling of events, which may not be true

We don't even know if there was an actual alien, for fuck's sake. Just that whatever caused the shimmer was alien in origin. Could've been a "machine" or something. It's perfectly reasonable that she can't explain what the fuck the alien looks like, because she doesn't know if she ever saw it.

ok sure but you have to understand that the experience she just went through is pretty far from normal human experience. it's supposed to be nightmarish and non-nonsensical. hence her answers.

>It's heavily implied the lena at the end is the alien
No it's not, all that's shown is that she's been changed by the Shimmer to have similarities to the Kane clone. Remember when she puts her blood under the microscope?

The shimmer messes with your DNA something fierce. It's not implied she's a clone at the end, it's implied her DNA is fucked.

Her changes can be ascribed to spending months in the shimmer, I mean considering fungus dude and plant girl it'd be rather odd if she weren't somewhat alien by the end

to me the fact that she had any memories of event prior to the lighthouse while the Issac clone could only answer even very basic questions with an I don't know proves that she's not the clone

>M-muh hard to explain!!
She would have said SOMETHING though, to give them an idea.

The Lena being interviewd by the chinaman is the alien, real lena burned, the alien lena is lying, the story is being told by an alien

not really, the 'cant describe its form' trope is pretty common for these types of stories

which is clearly not the case because we see events she can't properly convey to Wong from Doctor Strange, we can assume we're seeing the real story while she relays a more basic debriefing style report at the same time

Yeah, just her being changed makes a lot more sense and was my initial assumption, it was when lena said "you're not kane are you?" to the clone then the clone asked the same and she didn't really respond that made me think they were implying she was a clone too.

People need to pay attention to the dialogue in the movie. There's numerous mentions of the you in the past and the you in the future not being the same person as the present version of yourself. Lena at the end is Lena but she's also a completely different person.

Baby's first Lovecraftian entity. As far as Lena could know, she was just tripping balls. They can only be described through metaphor, really, like the CGI fractal we were thrown.

No, it's the fucking alien. Notice how it begins ascribing benign motives to the alien?
>Oh it wasn't destroying just making new things
When the real Lena was told, matter of fact, by the dying woman
>It's gonna destroy everything! ANNIHILATION!

We don't see her retelling, because she never tells them about Kane being a clone.

What if it's demons and the shimmer is a gate to hell

>clearly see the featureless clone adopt Lena features while holding the grenade, then revert back to the featureless clone after the grenade goes off

yeah no, there's some ambiguous stuff but we absolutely know the clone was the one who got the white phosphorus bath

The movie was made for women, guys. It's not hard or challenging. The actual Lena came back with altered DNA.

From this point on, it's safe to assume that the only people sating she's a clone are trying to make the movie into something it's not due to weird intellectual insecurity issues.

No, she doesn't know if she's Lena because her DNA is all messed up.
It doesn't matter whether she's a clone or not, her body has changed to the point she's not the same person anymore.

You think Ventriss was reliable at that point? She was being destroyed because she WANTED to be destroyed, that was HER motive.

>the Lena at the end was or wasn't her
Brainlets everywhere. The movie was deliberately ambiguous, the whole point is we cannot know whether it's really her at the end. It is either clone Lena, or massively changed Lena, it doesn't matter.

Ventress also was a crazy person dying of cancer that gets blown up into a rainbow. What makes her an expert on what the "alien" wants? Lena's explanation fits with everything else we had seen in the movie.

>real lena burned

But then why didn't she die instantly when the grenade went off like the real kane did?

Ventriss was a psychologist, Lena was the biologist. Lena saw what was happening and knew it was like HeLa cells. Ventriss only saw deterioration.

she didn't have the tattoo when she was going in

>team mate gets dragged underwater
>stands at the back of the room doing nothing
>giant gator approaches ready to rip the team apart
>stands at the back doing nothing
>constantly moaning at the group and threatening to go on alone
Does cancer make you an asshole?

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>The movie was made for women, guys. It's not hard or challenging. The actual Lena came back with altered DNA.
>
>From this point on, it's safe to assume that the only people sating she's a clone are trying to make the movie into something it's not due to weird intellectual insecurity issues.

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Jesus Christ go back to whatever shithole you came from

No, but being a psychologist does

because what you see didnt happen, the alien is sat there saying, "yeah the alien burned lmao" and the movie is showing you the alien's buillshit version of events

>newfag meme
>doesn't know how to quote
Obviously it's other people who are the brainlets, not you.

How do you think scientists would've reacted if she told them the alien looked exactly like her?

This.

The only person in this whole thread that gets it.

That's literally just the story of the lena that returned though

>posted from my phone btw ;)

>reddit spacer agreeing with someone who wants a chick flick to be deeper than it is
You guys smell that soy?

>>newfag meme
>>doesn't know how to quote
>Obviously it's other people who are the brainlets, not you.

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Not the case. We clearly see Kane burning himself, then another Kane walking into frame. There's a clone of Kane. The researchers never acknowledge that, meaning they weren't told, meaning what we see is not something anyone is explaining, but what actually happened.

Roastie.

I don't buy the unreliable narrator explanation at all. Lena is the only one that made it out of the shimmer alive and she's a trained biologist, if anyone knows the "alien's" true nature it's her. The fact that killing the clone Lena burned down the shimmer while Kane didn't get the same result makes me think that Lena is the "original" while Kane is a clone. Either way she's been completely changed by the shimmer as we see when she looks at her blood under a microscope.

*analyzes your comment in a detached monotone voice*

How is that a more plausible explanation of events? By that logic the entire film is alien lies.

You might have a theory if not for the giant Sharkgator in the room

We saw the Oscar Issac character and know for a fact that he was a clone, created in the exact same way(glowing sky vagina), when asked questions by Lena, very basic questions his only response was I don't know, he had no memories from before the lighthouse whatsoever, no ability to make anything up, just confusedly state he didn't know

and yet when Lena is put in the same situation, she is immediately able to start answering yes/no questions and go into a full debrief into all the events before the lighthouse, including several days before even entering the shimmer

This may have well been
>produced by bad robot
Its that poorly thought out.

Now you're getting it

I have a theory that all 5 women that wake up with no memory of the last 3 days were clones of their original selves with altered DNA.

It's actually the garden of eden and Lena is ejected for tasting the forbidden fruit (niggers)

Couldn't it also been that if she told them the alie could replicate her form, then the copy "Kane" would have probably be taken away for study or something?

It's not the real Kane but maybe she couldn't bear to lose him again.

Is it possible they all just got cloned multiple times? I mean, they don't remember eating. They only had rations for like 2 weeks and they were in there for 4 months. How did they survive if they didn't eat? Probably because new clones emerges who weren't hungry.

this was my takeaway, that she realized that if she told them everything about the Lighthouse including the video they'd put two and two together and conclude that her husband was an alien clone, in which case she'd obviously never see him again as he'd become the hottest test subject in the history of science, so she concealed it.

Unreliable narrator is the laziest form of storytelling. It serves no purpose but to make retarded pseuds think they're intelligent.

Yes and also because she's the alien clone so she wouldn't want to be discovered

Then it's good that's not what's in the movie.

Good thing Annihilation didn't use one. The audience is not in the position of the scientists interviewing her. We know what really happens, the "narration" is not really narration, but dialogue.

Good thing this film doesn't have an unreliable narrator then.

only problem with this is that her debriefing starts before they entered the shimmer, if they'd been cloned after entering that's where the clone's memories should start

>git off ma board you non english speaking foreigner! dis iz amurrika

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I'd normally shit on you for calling out ESLbros but I have no idea what he's trying to say, either.

there's no clones in this movie

this is a bit odd though since on returning from a mission to an alien artifact one of the first things they would do is take blood samples from her and kane and it would show that they are shimmer hybrids. unless the destruction of the clone/entity/shimmer just made it dormant and we can only see it in their glowy eyes.