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Is this the best video game inspired album of all time?

Company pays millions to reboot a game series

How about we get a Sonic Mania thread going? A new stage got leaked after all

Leave Alex to me

Villain: "do you pay care about the ants you crush everyday?"

Fire Emblem Heroes

Gaming headphone thread

An Iowa State University study found that 8...

What went wrong?

What video game characters do you ship?

Mario RPG Thread

Admit it, we all liked this game before we knew the rabbids were going to be in all the future games

She doesn't shoot bees

You did sacrifice this obnoxious cunt, right?

I'm f-feeling really confused right now, Nintenbros

Reminder to worship the Endless

Name my character, Sup Forums. 32 names him

ITT: Games only you played

FINAL FANTASY 7 REMAKE IS FUCKED

When the FUCK is there gunna be a fifth game?

Man after playing this game at 1440p resolution and 60fps+ with gsync enabled I really can't go back to Breath of the...

>17 DAYS UNTIL E3

Who's the prettiest Titan and why is it Ion?

ITT: god tier vidya villains/antagonists

Higher temperatures are coming. How will this affect your vidya ways?

Have you played ____'s game yet?

Fix Sup Forums in 5 words or less

Trails/Kiseki thread

Go to deviantart. Search for your last played game. Post the first picture

PC or PS4 my dudes?

I'm depressed Sup Forums

Hearthstone is retarded

What went right?

Is this good menu design?

Oh yeah, that happened

*block your path*

Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood

The only game worth playing

Predict their E3

Friday the 13th releases tomorrow and it's not the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or even 7th top seller on Steam

Hey im stuck on the dragonslayer armour and am at soul level 37 annyone wanna help a Sup Forumsapper out. I'm on PS4

What was his endgame?

204863 are co-ords to the bermuda triangle (gz helicopter crash) and iceland (ds trailer location)

MERCURY, RISING

Why das3 was such disappointment compared to the das2 and bloodborne?

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night is apparently only "20 to 30 percent complete" roughly two years later...

CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER

What game let's me be a regular adventurer making a living and vanquishing evil with no 'chosen one' bullshit attached?

What sword has the best design and why is it the master sword?

The Switch is portable

The characters who do NOT reappear in Tekken 7:

Whats the reason to buy a ps4 if I have a laptop with a gtx 1050 (can play ds3, tw3, doom, etc on 1080p high settings)

Fuck. This. Operator

Fire Emblem Echoes

Find ancient F2P MMO

Where were you when things started to happen and SEGA embraced the PC?

What the fuck is going on with Xbox atm?

ITT: Post a picture. Others recommend a game based on that picture

Why do kids/normies/faggots love this fucking garbage?

Post your favorite in each of these series. Rate others' taste

3x3 Thread Anyone?

I think, therefore I am

Fuck you Sup Forums

He doesn't main metal blue spinner

What comes to mind when you see this image Sup Forums?

Persona 6 hopes and expectations thread

Let's have one of these threads

Tfw when the series you like come to the end

Will there ever be a game as immersive and mindblowing as okami released ever again? why is this the best game ever?

Was it really that bad?

Easy as piss to hack

Nintenbros will defend this

Achievements and trophies are pointless

Two new Vita games announced

EA wtf is this?

Heres your controller bruddeh

The Chivalry: Medieval Warfare developers just released their new multiplayer FPS game yesterday. With 0 advertising

Cool vidya facts

How to fix Mcree?

What if Mario had a gun?

Why does the American Indie game market has its reputation dictated by the likes of Phil Fish?

Just 2 weeks ago I wouldn't have dared to say it, but this is actually genuinely good

Mods delete threads redpilling people about the SJW takeover of gaming and the fall of Western civilization

Who was in the wrong here?

Hello, we are the worst confidants in the game

Normalfags and casuals calling it Kamen Rider, Super Sentai or Power Ranger

Back to fighting games

Fan remake exists

There are people on Sup Forums who thing LAMAJ would stand a chance in this matchup

Time to post extraordinarily cute vidya characters

Does anyone else find pirated games are less enjoyable?

Ok Sup Forums sell me this series

Who else here drinks while they play Sup Forumsidya? If you do...

If open world games are the gimmick today, what do you think games in 2030 would look like?

Why she's so pure?

What if it's good?

I love Warcraft

Injustice 2-CPY

Are 3D action adventure platformers dead? WHy dont people wanna play games like these anymore I dont understand

These games fucking suck dick compared to mainline

You know what I like about Minecraft? I like to build bricks in Minecraft...

Sup Forumsidya Draw Thread

What's his endgame?

Why does Sup Forums think ecelebs help sell games?

Why do girls pretend to like videogames?

What's your favorite game on the N64?

Rising Storm 2 hype

I am, after all, your dear friend. Your valuable friendship is too important to me to disappoint you, dear friend...

Games Sup Forums unanimously likes

ITT: Good licensed games

What's your honest opinion about VR technology?

ITT: Characters who are literally you

What is his name again?

Tfw there will never be a game based on Arrow

Leave Hearthstone to me

Let's just take a moment to appreciate the best game of all time

When did you realize there is no hope?

Why do you people get so pissy when someone either doesn't like what you like or like's something you don't?

Why do girls pretend to like vidya?

Nintendo and the color black

Lets settle this once and for all

Entire series of games about a white male beating the shit outta racist stereotypes and minorities

Post some of the best game trailers. Doesn't matter if the game was good, bad, or never got released. Post dem trailers

Will opening the special content too early on make the game unbalanced in Disgaea 5?

So says I, Hilda of Lorule

New thread since old one died. Favourite runs so far?

User, is that a nintendo toy you're playing? in public?

Are there any video games where you kill yourself?

Is he the most like-able person in the industry?

The age old question

This screenshot is illegal in europe

Build me the l33test gaming computer for up to $1000 going to use steam. Windows 7 build preference

Whats the worst controller you've ever used?

What are games that have magic users with huge, bouncy hats

Game that deserve modern revivals

I don't mind trailblazing as long as we've got the ammo... and the New Vegas thread

I've hit 1000 hours in a fighting game I'm still mediocre in

Wario is joke Mario

Subtle Vidya Clothing Thread

That ending song in a vidya where you had to genuinely hold back tears

Knack 2 is coming to E3 2017

People always suggest Inklings for Smash but why not the Squid Sisters...

Can any of you guys help me and find a water chip? please?

The ride never stops

Villain is more likeable and has better motives than the protag

This is obviously a fake game. You're blind if you can't see it...

How do we save Samus?

How do I refresh DS3?

Is this accurate?

Mfw I turn on the wall hacks

Boss has scripted full healing once their hp gets to a certain point

/ctt/ - Console Tan Tuesday After Dark

What was his fucking problem?

Alliance or Horde Sup Forums

Main character has a flat personality

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night is apparently only "20 to 30 percent complete" roughly two years later...

Gyehehe, stahp it, Applejack, that tickles!

Today is my last day of freedom

Rainy japanese neon city at night level

Sup Forums doesn't talk about weird weeb games anymore

Western video game writing in 2017

What is the cat thinking?

Post games you can measure a person's actual worth as a human being just by their opinion on it

Its a T H I C C thread

How did a shitty 3DS sequel with 99% reused assets turn out better than Persona 5?

Holy shit, I had no idea how hot her voice is. Has there been more an attractive voice in vidya?

ITT: Actually good F2P games

Sup Forums, should i get a PS4 or a Switch

Is this one of the most underrated games of all time?

Hitman studio Io Interactive suffers layoffs

New CSGO Operation

Did it deserve the praise?

This pic is literally Nintendo

Main Series Resident Evil

Nintendo is going to sell physical game boxes with no game inside

Gf wants to play skyrim

Just picked up one of these for PS4 streaming and Persona 4 Golden. What are some other must have games on Vita...

What's the most underrated final fantasy game?

Me! Me! Pickle-Pee!

When was the last time you felt like you went on a adventure in a video game?

Why do you hate female protag in video game

Is Horizon worth getting if you don't have a ps4Pro...

How's that Japanese coming along?

I started dating chihiro because I thought she was cute and mitsuru would not hang out with me...

Listen up Sup Forums, I want to learn to code

Finally ditching my laptop for an actual PC. I've got some good specs I think, i7@7700 and a 1070 GPU...

I'm gonna smooch a dragon!

Is it possible to have one thread about this game without bitching about dungeons?

Anyone feel like a good old fashion WebM thread? Post your gameplays

Ben rambles about some dumb JRPG

Scorpio will only do 30 fps on Destiny 2

*blocks your path*

Would you rather play as your video game wife, or have her as an AI controlled ally?

Was this the golden age of online console gaming?

ITT: Purchases you made with your dick that you now regret

"They're armed with 'five five sixers' and pineapples."

Black lives don't matter

How does Sup Forums deal with getting mad at video games?

I'm so bad at this gamu

Best save room music

[generic affirmation about SFV being the worst fighting game ever made]

I've seen Nintendo's presentation for E3 2017. Not only should you prepare for disappointment...

What's your audio setup, Sup Forums?

Corridors of Time is now playing in your head

ITT: Describe a video game using a quote from Spongebob

FUCKING SLAVES GET YOUR ASS BACK HERE

The finest 2D Zelda

*wins every GOTY award*

She's not wrong

Is it too late to jump into WoW? Can I still play through the whole story like I can with A Realm Reborn?

What games some good games that have /ss/?

Games you can never talk about on Sup Forums

Since we managed to get Mario x Rabbids, what other outlandish crossovers would you want to see?

Post Vidya Soundtrack covers

How the fuck were you supposed to do this without a guide? You were just dropped into the darkness without any warning

Enemies beg for mercy when you're going to kill them

Shitposting aside, what would make this a good game for you?

70 burgers for Pro Controller

What are some good food-based games?

Nintendo's E3 is going to be the delay of Super Mario Odyssey and Xenoblade 2...

Is this game worth playing at all? Any opinions?

ITT: poorly described plots, guess the game

God-Tier Title Screen Themes

Why do indie devs never do accurate depictions of retro graphics?

Keiji Inafune is in a death spiral of failure and his company is near bankrupsy

Current year when it was released

Sup Forums does it still hurt that we will NEVER get Nomura's true vision of Final Fantasy Versus XIII/Final Fantasy XV?

What are some games that are much bigger than you initially realize?

Why is her name Dixie?

Bloodborne vs Dark souls III

What would happen if you tossed a lit match into Oil Ocean Zone?

Why does nobody want change, Sup Forums?

Still no episode 2

What would your ideal Digimon game be?

Should games these days feature more black people than whites...

Best place to discuss videogames is also the worst place to discuss videogames

Did you preorder your deluxe edition of Tekken 7 yet...

How come they were never able to replicate the god-tier world design of the first game?

This is why you never show all the stretch goals of a kickstarter before they are close to be done

18 Days until E3 !

Games that would make you buy a switch. Pic related

Is it a good writer?

GTA 4: Good story, good characters, shit gameplay

I hurt myself today

Nintendo won't localize Mother 3 officially, but will give us... this. What do, Sup Forums?

Physical/digital collection thread

I hate video games

So whatd'ya get Sup Forums?

So is this just Berserk lite?

We can only hope this is fake and the greatest ruse of the year...

How does this PC look?

See new overwatch event

The never ever games

VIDEO GAME THREAD

Steam Avatar Thread

Can we all agree that she's the best Zelda?

Healers were a mistake

That guy who throws a dung pie at your corpse

Name one thing that can single-handedly ruin a video game

Has he finally jumped the shark?

ITT: Characters you thought you'd hate that you ended up loving

You're at your local Gamestop browsing the games when you decide to pass on Skyrim and Fallout 4 and suddenly this...

Resident Evil 7 isn't really a scary game...

Playing through all the Persona games?

First time I played I couldnt get past Ornstein and Smough and then stopped

How are you supposed to kill this cunt?

1 million troops

What's the purpose of Steam refunds if they never give you a refund when you need one?

Why did you stop playing Puzzle & Dragon, Sup Forums?

What game will win E3 2017?

What is the quickest you've ever returned a game you bought? I had this for maybe about a month before i just gave it up

What is the best DBZ game?

Ok, so I bought Overmeme yesterday. Give me some heads up advice or shit along those lines for a new guy

*blocks your path*

Who is the biggest alpha male of vidya?

Would you buy this Sup Forums?

Why is Fullscreen still a thing when Borderless exists?

Blizzard, what the fuck?

Would you by an RPG about a little witch academy?

So I guess now that the cat is slightly out of the bag...

Are they ever gonna bring back this thing in Mario games?

Engineers will defend this

Sony announces Bloodborne II at E3, how will Sup Forums react?

Why aren't you playing Skyrim, Sup Forums?

I don't know what everyone is bitching about: not only is the combat faster and more exciting but I'm getting more of a...

I WISH FOR A NEW MARIO RPG

Why did Conan Exile fail? I thought survival games are popular no matter how bad they are

TES games in first person

Future Sup Forums

Name 1 western game with a main story over 30 hours long, no side stuff included

Delayed humble bundle boys

The stockpile is full my lord

Do you know how to use chopsticks, Sup Forums?

STOP PIRATING VIDEO GAMES!

Fire Emblem Echoes

Cemu 1.8.0 is OUT!

Why did they make Ryder such a gigantic pussy?

I won't be moved by sympathy. No matter who you bring into this Mass Effect thread

In a world without exclusivity. What game(s) would you like to be see on which platform?

Pleb filter games thread

BATTLESTATION THREAD

Choose hardest difficulty

Wise choice, sir. Wiiiise chooooice

You did pick it up today, right Sup Forums?

Best 3D zelda games

Did Yooka-Laylee kill any possible interest in Banjo-Threeie?

Can we discuss the best RPG ever created

Summoning Caramel

Best way to upgrade my PC with $200?

What games have the most realistic reptiles?

Best 3ds game is japan only

Has twitch ruined gaming?

If you purchase cosmetics in video games you need to kill yourself

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...

How hype are you for LiS2?

It's safe to say the only people who like this are those whose first game was Oblivion

Thinking about pre ordering this

Make a 4 step plan for a game

Don't mind me, I'm just steali... err pirating your homework

DRAGON'S DOGMA 2 CONFIRMED

Why she's so perfect?

Is Overwatch alt-left propaganda?

Does Sup Forums like Dragon Quest builders?

ITT: Shameful vidya faps

Fake leaks thread?

Admit it, Sup Forums, you've spent real money on lootboxes

That series that returned after being gone for years

FUCKING MUSLIMS

What would you tweak to make it better?

"Wind Waker is the best 3d Zelda!"

THANKS BLIZZARD

God tier design

What are some Sup Forums approved gaming youtube channels?

What games let me play as a moral crusader who teaches degenrate white roastie sluts a lesson for attending concerts...

What is the municipal waste of video games?

Post your 3 favorites games released this gen and rate the last post

So who is best Fire Emblem girl and why is it Lucina?

Let's play a game Sup Forums

You faggots lied, this game is really fun and it's comfy too

Overwatch isn't an SJW ga-

Are you going to BREAK A SPELL on May 26th Sup Forums?

Now that the update is out have you been thanking your healers?

Metal Gear Survive

Can we get another sven-coop server going?

LOLing at the mods

I must be the only one who bought this today

Let's talk about Chivalry

Will it be shit, Sup Forums?

What the fuck is this symbol?

HE EVEN LIED ABOUT HIS HEIGHT!

Tfw Laura Kate Dale was right about mabbids

I'm so glad Nintendo agreed to collaborate with these guys

Filename thread?

TOKYO -- Backed by its strong gaming and semiconductor businesses...

A game for the thinking men

Name a shittier final boss

W H Y I S T H I S A L L O W E D ?

Emergent gameplay

Could Turok get the Wolfenstein/DOOM treatment? What would you like to see in it?

Preorder Utawaremono from game stop because figure it's niche enough that's the only way they'll bring it in

Controller starts vibrating

FFXIV: Stormblood - Final Fantasy 14

Is there a more slutty girl in "T" rated games?

ITT: We guess metacritic score for the worst spin off Mario game of all time

Who was in the right?

ITT: the absolute worst fanbases

Tfw to intelligent for any another games then league of legends

Name 1 (One) game that all of Sup Forums would agree its good

NASA Super Speedrun Bros

What is your ideal Tifa?

Metroidvania thread in celebration of me finding the most beautiful of all gems hidden amongst a sea of shit games that...

What does Nintendo need to announce at E3 to save themselves from this mess?

Just to prepare you: E3 2017 is going to be Nintendo's worst E3 yet...

10/10 games you don't see a lot

Sup Forumsidya drawthread

What are the chances of getting this and/or 1.5+2.5?

Vidya soundtracks that give you feels

Nintendo ever allowing swear words near their family-friendly mascot

Fire Emblem Heroes

Have to wait another week

What are some competitive video games that are purely skilled, and don't allow scrub...

Hello Sup Forums, what should we call my video game related podcast?

Oh, don't mind me. I'm just busy being objectively the best weapon in Bloodborne

CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER

Voiced by Laura Bailey

What's an abnormal way you've played a game?

Previous game is the series is shit

Leave Kickstarter to me

You have exactly 30 seconds to name a comfier vidya than Borderlands 2. protip you can't

What game universe has the strongest entities?

Who is the most handsome man in all vidyas?

Zeno guy is gonig to destroy our universe unless you send the Main characters from the last 10 videogame you played to...

Would you play Earth if it was a video game?

Calling it now. 2 months from now nintenbros on this board will completely accept this...

18 Days until E3 !

What's with Zelda games and weird looking NPCs?

IT'S REAL HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Skyrim pushing my shit to 90degrees

Name a better game

Wii U was the worst video game console ever created

Played any good 2D games lately, Sup Forums?

What did Polygon mean by this?

Featuring the Russian Army

Everyone but Sup Forums sings nonstop praises about the game

Don't mind me. Just being the best FF girl ever

He hasnt bought the GOTY yet

Why is ASMR so popular within the gaming community?

What game has the best flamethrowers?

How does this makes you feel Sup Forums?

So now that the dust has settled

GOD TIER VIDEO GAMES MUSIC

Is she the best villain in the Mario and Luigi series?

Name One Game Where Poison Is Viable

Where were you when Microshit finally killed one of its best IPs after spending millions to own it?

Is "being progressive" ruining video games?

PC port of DDDA

ITT: Party members that got benched forever

What does Sup Forums think aboot arcanum? do you agree that it's one of the most underrated games ever?

Make horrendously ugly games that don't have anything to do in and deviantart level writing

Why do Capcomfags live so assblasted?

HE'S A NIGGER, AND I HATE NIGGERS MORE THAN I HATE MAD AGENTS

Leave Shin Megami Tensei to me

Mario & Rabbids game art got leaked

It's time to realize that 343 understands Halo better than Bungie ever did...

Jim Sterling calls out Wargaming over false copyright takedowns

The tutorial boss is interrupted

1% chance to poison enemy for 5 damage over 15 seconds

I thought FFXV was fun as fuck. Despite some glaring flaws. Overall 8/10

You faggots were right, this is not bad

Anyone wanna play some RO together?

Wait hold on a second, why the FUCK is Classic Sonic in this game? It's not even his 25th anniversary anymore...

Nintendo switch now has support for the best retro controllers

I miss them guys, when are they coming back?

Who was this system made for?

Battlefield 1's upcoming DLC In The Name Of The Tsar will open up the Eastern Front with the addition of the Russian...

This was supposed to have better characters than Awakening/Fates

WTF I love Genji now!?!?

"A story can only be contained in a book."

You actually still play the 3DS Sup Forums? What game?

Daily reminder you that buy western games are responsible for this

This is a good game prove me wrong

Do you agree with him?

Which one, Sup Forums?

IT'S FUCKING OUT!

Nier Automata? More like Nill Graphica lmao!

Tfw no video game set in the Expanse universe

100% Orange Juice

Remember that voice actor strike?

Jesus christ chris

Ok. Getting a new phone next month. And I do like some games. But I need Sup Forumss advice

Red dead redemption 2

2 days until it releases

When did you realize it was retarded to continuously upgrade your PC and you should buy a console instead?

He ACTUALLY plays games at 1080p 144fps

What are some games that numb the pain

Tomorrow on FFXV title screen there will be a link to the survey with the dev team asking for your feedback about the...

Underutilized Game Mechanics

Nintendo Is Selling An Empty Splatoon 2 Box

I'll start: Metroid

Why does Sup Forums hate Dark Souls III?

Post vidya characters you share name with

And this is our Son's r-

ITT: Games that never needed sequels

HNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG

Please tell me what they mean by this

Yes hello, id like to speak with caramel please?

How did we go from this

TEKKEN 7 OPENING CINEMATIC

GUNDAM VERSUS 1 HOUR WEEKDAY DEMOS JUNE 1 TO JULY 1

Can Star Ocean get any worse?

Excuse me, but who the fuck is this?

What's Sup Forums's opinion on Let's Plays?

If Nintendo doesn't announce a new Metroid at E3 this year, I'm never supporting them ever again. I'm out

What is the best job on Space Station 13, and why is it the librarian?

I HURT MYSELF TODAY

Tfw most OoT fans don't even play games

The surge is actually a good game ?

Had to undergo major surgery as a child

The great debate

Boss can fully heal itself

New Overwatch event in 10 minutes

What did Nintendo mean by this??

CHOOSE YOUR CHARACTER

I love hitting enemies with a huge key

Game takes place in a simulation

I swear to god we better get trailers and release dates for both of KH 3 and FF 7 Remake at E3...

Purple heart me on this series

What games does God play?

Hey PC dudes, I recently got a job paying some actual big-boy money and I'm looking to upgrade from my old mini 960

Alright gentlemen, I have a code for Witcher 2: assassins of kings enhanced edition. Redeemable on GOG...

Franchises that were never good

Why did this fail? It's legit a good game

Breath of the wild feels like a ps2 game after playing this on PC 1440p resolution max settings at 60+fps gysync...

Are there any video games that simulate messaging girls?

18 Days until E3 !

What was the game that ruined healers forever?

ITT: Sup Forums pays respect to dead videogame series

This is a legendary card in a trading card game

What's her name, Sup Forums?

Dark Souls 2 had the worst boss fights in the ser-

Have you ever been romantically interested in a video game character?

So I just finished Legend of Grimrock 2 and got the got the Nexus ending and watched the other ending on youtube...

How many fps does real life have?

Is Hanzo the most broken character? His dash resetting on every kill, 8 sec CD on deflect...

Game has tons of unique races and classes

Nintendo comes to you for an idea on how to revamp the virtual console for a Switch release

Anyone have any experience using component on PS2? I of buying a component cable for use on my HDTV...

/ctt/ Console-tan Tuesday

What are some essential James Bond-games outside of Goldeneye?

Why don't you own a Switch?

Persona 5 or Nier: Automata?

You think the game is over

Free to play games

Disclaimer: Zelda lore thread. I am aware that Nintendo probably doesn't give two fucks about Zelda lore...

Character says something sciency

Hitman is officially DEAD

Sup Forums then

Good games with shit tier fanbases

Hold on there user, you have a receipt for that copy of Skyrim Special Edition, right?

Things that make you immediately stop watching a Youtube Gaming Channel

My wife, Makoto, is so beautiful

Do people really buy high end audio equipment for video game?

I want to feel. I want to cry

Sup Forums suddenly likes Kotick

Why do Japanese devs like edgy storylines so much?

What went wrong? this is another flop like battle born isn't it?...

How Korean do I need to be to play this?

Friendly reminder that people only like Hanako because she's skittish and weak and doesn't pose any sort of challenge...

So why exactly doesn't Australia make any games?

2.5D was a mistake

FFXIV Stormblood

Are ya lookin forward to E3 this year?

ITT series that went to shit

Does the OST live up to Persona 3 and 4?

That one game you're waiting to release before you kill yourself

Did you like it, Sup Forums?

Get 80 million budget 5th highest in the history of gaming (Only outdone by MMOs and Grand Theft Auto)

What are some iconic moments in video game history?

Post a game you think is good and that everyone should play at least once

>2017 is good meme

All that is really needed for a Stormblood ninja is that there is no longer a harsh time penalty for mucking up a Mutra...

So this is the power... Of the PC... Damn

Redpill me on Terraria

best """""rpg""""" of the century OMG 12/10

So I bought this game a few days ago and started playing it today, here's my verdict;

Can we get a vidya cringe thread?

Have you ever encountered an enemy monster in a game that was intended to be scary or intimidating or whatever...