Guess what: Ethno-centrism and nationalism are diametrically opposed. Ethnic nationalistm are for insecure, lazy, shit eating faggots who wants recognition and gibmes on account of who they are, rather on what they actually make out of themselves. It's not about making their countries great again, it's about making them great again, at the expense of their countries.
Tell me again, how will removing/killing millions of strong, worthy, faithful members of a society while abandoning the key principles of that society make it better? Pro tip: It doesn't. Name one example of a functioning nationalist ethno-state. "Muh Nazi Germany". Ah, yes; a blazing success. It lasted even shorter then scandinavian socialist, nigger-loving hell-holes. Which reminds me - ethnic nationalists are generally Nazis, which means they are SOCIALISTS as well.
Civic nationalism is the white man's idiology. He knows that's how you build a great nation. The ancient greeks and romans knew it. The enlightenment philosophers knew it. The french revolutionaries, and american founders knew it as well.
Hopefully, this racial / ethnic tensions across the world will keep florishing until it leads to an out-right war. At that point, we can all just sit back and watch black, brown and white niggers + muslims kill eachother, swoop in and clean up, then build new, healthy civic nationalist states that will last for centuries to come.
Families exist for its members, nations exist for its members. Deal with it cuckold.
Joseph Lopez
How isnt this cuckoldry? OP is a giant cuck faggot who sucks capitalist kike dick, hes a lonewolf whos not willing to sacrifice anything for his folk and country. He is a capitalist kike
Austin Richardson
once again, go fuck yourself OP you disgusting kike. I bet you are JIDF with a swedish proxy, i dont care, we dont need people like you in our world, fuck off.
Evan Thompson
Build you folk from mind and will, not from blood and chains.
Either way, whites and asians will end up being the majority in either an ethono-nationalist or a country OP described, the latter would just accept a few of the non-shit tier shitskins.
In all honesty though, retarded plebeian whites deserve to be gassed as much as niggers and spics do.
Aiden Parker
>Ethnic nationalistm are for insecure, lazy, shit eating faggots who wants recognition and gibmes on account of who they are, rather on what they actually make out of themselves.
This doesn't make sense. If one ethnicity has their own country... which entity gives them "gibmes" then when it is they themselves having to work for everything.
> It's not about making their countries great again, it's about making them great again, at the expense of their countries. Do you even read what you type?
>removing/killing millions of strong, worthy, faithful members Most of the muslims here are turkish nationalists praising Erdogan. In addition, they are mostly unworthy, barely educated, 50% unemployed and drain the welfare system. They are just "needed" as consumers.
>functioning nationalist ethno-state. Japan, South Korea >inb4 they are not nationalist Good luck getting foreign influence going there.
>ethnic nationalists are generally Nazis, which means they are SOCIALISTS as well. Making shit up along the way I see... But even then, Nazi Socialism was a huge welfare state, not marxist-socialism where you can't have private property etc... Nazi Germany basically had a fascist economy.
>Civic nationalism is the white man's idiology. Creating devide and conquer threads for his "special brand" of nationalism. You are the equivalent of "real communism hasn't been tried".
>brown and white niggers + muslims kill eachother, swoop in and clean up, then build new, healthy civic nationalist states that will last for centuries to come. Yeah I think everyone will be able to do this except sweden. You are already past the point of no return. Your country will be used as a nigger prison colony for the few survivors of the war, going far up north. It will be "Europe's Siberia" with some nice "swedish" gulags.
Isaac Mitchell
I don't really care about race
if you can contribute you are welcome to come here legally
Sebastian Cruz
Race supremacists and race deniers are both two sides of the same retarded coin. I pity fools who live their lifes purely based on hatred of the other, for being the other, not for conduct.
The best form of nationalism was already shown in starship trooper, perfect form of civic nationalism, with responsibilities and true rights.
Tyler Lee
if I can't have racial purity in my society I may as well advocate for anarchism with guns
Ian Hughes
The people are the reason for the state, not the other way around. Leftist faggot.
Josiah Martinez
>ethnic nationalism is about hatred and supremacy not about love of your own people >civic nationalism cuckoldry
So is living with your family in a single house about hating your neighbour? Favouring your genetic kin is natural.
Dominic Flores
You can do that in civic nationalism too, ethnic nationalism is based on hatred for the other ethnics, that are not your own.
Zachary Rogers
>Ethno-centrism and nationalism are diametrically opposed.
Absolutely not. They are totally compatible.
Early Greek and Roman civilizations were strongly ethnocentric btw, with foreigners having little chance of gaining full citizenship.
Wyatt Ortiz
That's pretty impressive English, Muhammad, but you still need to go back.
Aiden Gutierrez
you cannot say quality of life hasn't gone up exponentially since ethnonationalism was done away with.
Jonathan Young
Yes goy..eh i mean guys.. muslims can be fully integrated in western society. Become civic nationalists and drop this racial nonsense...
David Edwards
>you cannot say quality of life hasn't gone up exponentially since ethnonationalism was done away with. what if I can
Jordan Bell
>hurr durr all the technological improvements that increased quality of life were being held back by ethnonationalism Suicide yourself
Isaac Martinez
>You can do that in civic nationalism too, ethnic nationalism is based on hatred for the other ethnics, that are not your own. that hatred usually justified
Blake Wood
Correlation doesn't imply causation. Look at Japan for instance : ethnically homogeneous with a still fairly racist population, yet excellent quality of life.
Gabriel Rodriguez
Civic Nationalism is fucking trash, stop shilling with this weak cuckservative bullshit.
You know the same cuckservatives Sup Forums would always call effeminate and without convictions before the election, those cucked mainstream civic nationalist conservatives.
Bentley Davis
STOP RUINING MY FUCKING BOARD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Jeremiah Nguyen
>high-trust society >multiracial society Pick between 0 and 1
Gavin Hall
>le civic nationalism meme end your life
Jacob Foster
Japan was rabidly nationalist before ww2 ended. it was outside influence that made them what they are today. the exchange of cultures and ideas
Jack Lewis
Basing everything on the pseudo science of 'muh race' rather than merit is doomed to fail. It's attempting to accomplish everything the SJW left is, just whitewashed. To make the racial group they dislike the minority/outright remove.
Only in civic nationalism can you have the best of the best in each race rise to the top. You can accept certain races are better/worse in aspects, but having it be the basis of your philosophy is flawed.
True meritocracy breeds strength, not filthy socialism.
Jace Sanchez
>thinks islam has anything to do with race
This is how dumb pro ethnic nationalists are. They want to get credit for being white. If you want credit, you should earn it, if you are trash, I don't care if you are white or black, you are holing the country and nation back, fuck off.
Lincoln Barnes
>Civic nationalism is the white man's idiology. He knows that's how you build a great nation. The ancient greeks and romans knew it. The enlightenment philosophers knew it. The french revolutionaries, and american founders knew it as well.
But all of these either failed or are failing precisely because "citizens" with no loyalty to the nation brought it down from within
Julian Sanchez
Flag checks out
Gavin Carter
Yes, ethnocentrism doesn't necessarily prevent cultural exchanges, scientific collaboration, etc.
Levi Parker
Yeah have fun with America;s meritocratic system of choosing the cream of the crop while Hispanics and Muslims literally outcompete you in your own nation because of nepotism and actually favouring their own ethnic/ingroup.
They're not even better, they just actually care about their own.
Joshua Ward
America's*
Cooper Foster
It isn't. Give me examples.
Brayden Rivera
Civic nationalism is a meme. We had that already, it's shit.
>, ethnic nationalism is based on hatred for the other ethnics Not at all. You keep repeating this nonsense won't make it true. The analogy completely went over your head. Your nation is your family. The country is the real estate. There is nothing hateful about wanting the real estate to be occupied by your genetic kin.
Jaxon Thompson
Nazi Germany was a success. It only ended because it was outnumbered by the rest of the world.
Diversity destroys the community. There's plenty of studies, and I believe there's a Putnam study on it. Homogenous societies are far better off.
The American founders, along with much of America before the 20th century, were white nationalists. There's even laws that prevented non-whites from receiving citizenship.
Daniel Perez
>french revolutionaries
guaranteed replies
Gavin Reyes
There is 0 civic nationalist countries on this planet you retarded faggot. Die from cancer lying son of a whore.
Cooper Reed
Ethno-nationalism with states comprised of people solely of one race, in competition with other ethno-nationalist states are the way forward. Compete to keep each other on our toes, cooperate where we can. If one race is truly superior/inferior the will soon be found out.
Jackson Diaz
russia, brazil, mexico are based on civic nationalism
John Parker
it does exactly that
when nazi Germany discredited all Jewish work it caused massive brain drain. many of the fleeing scientists contributed an enormous amount to the allies favor
>Name one example of a functioning nationalist ethno-state. Japan Poland Maybe Ireland
Joseph Young
>Tell me again, how will removing/killing millions of strong, worthy, faithful members of a society while abandoning the key principles of that society make it better? Pro tip: It doesn't. >strong, worthy, faithful members of a society You're speaking of native whites here. No one is implying they should be killed, except the kikes and kike allies.
now fuck off.
Alexander Baker
>Guess what: Ethno-centrism and nationalism are diametrically opposed
Nationalism was originally the idea that every ethnicity deserves self-determination inside its own state. Greek Nationalism for independence from T*rkey, Polish Nationalism for independence from Russia, Egyptian Nationalism for independence from Britain
To say that an ideology founded on ethnocentrism is diametrically opposed to ethnocentrism is to make a post worthy of a leaf.
Blake Hernandez
>Ethnocentrism meme Put a bunch of swarthy Balkan mutts and Fakegreek dipshits, say WE WUZ in every second and create European identity.
Nicholas Cook
Civic nationalism doesn't grant citizenship to any race or person, citizenship should be earned. Prove you are loyal and responsible, only then you deserve citizen status. Watch starship troooper.
Nicholas Wood
nice meme
Asher Morales
America is not a civic nationalist country dumb fuck.
Xavier Lee
That doesn't justify hatred for all black people. Death penalty and move on.
Julian Turner
True meritocracy is impossible. The attempt to achieve it always leads to authoritarian egalitarianism
Michael Morris
Nice meme.
Benjamin Carter
Why dont we just kill all the mudshits. I think u are muslim in sweden. Im gonna fly there and lynch your brown family
>States in which civic forms of nationalism predominate are often (but not always) ex-settler colonies such as the United States, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, and Argentina, in which ethnic nationalism is difficult to construct on account of the diversity of ethnicities within the state.
Civic nationalism is the reason we're in this mess.
and then they bring their family friends friends of other friends and here comes the never ending loop of immigration, how do you stop that then?
Daniel Baker
No, they are not. They can be based on nigger shit for all I care, they are not based on civic nationalism. Democracy and incompetence has no place in civic nationalist country. Neither do jewish parasites.
Parker Turner
Statistics do. Now fuck off.
Daniel Carter
Agreed, nazi ideology was way too extreme and aggressive, which caused its quick collapse. Again, present-day Japan is probably the best example of a healthy, functional, modern ethno-state, although there were others in the past.
Again, not wanting your neighbour in your house does not mean you hate him.
Jaxson Rogers
Ethnocentricism in modernity is a forced meme tbh. Nationalism is fine though, it should be for all members of a nation. I think you're looking for stormfront to project your racial insecurities towards
Chase Reyes
what's then a good model country for civic nationalism?
Brayden Rogers
>Japan is probably the best example of a healthy, functional, modern ethno-state That's one of the worst examples you couldve picked as a healthy, functional ethno-state.
Japan is having the worst problems with birth rates and soon they will be in crisis that we have never seen before.
It's gonna be very interesting.
>Agreed, nazi ideology was way too extreme and aggressive Not an argument.
Alexander Carter
>modernity is a forced meme tbh I agree.
Kevin Sullivan
>Ethnocentricism in modernity is a forced meme tbh. >the current year argument
Ethnocentrism is the winning strategy. It's inevitable.
jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
Colton Stewart
What a low IQ shithole estonia must be, can you read and comprehend English you russian rape baby? Read my damn post, every person, has to earn citizenship status, it is not given to anyone that doesn't earn it.
Liam Perez
>Japan is having the worst problems with birth rates and soon they will be in crisis that we have never seen before.
Japanese culture encourages saving money. All that is going to happen is increase in wealth/capita as the old people die off.
Nicholas Ortiz
Tervist goi, lihtsalt huvitatud :^) Kas sa oled ka eesti pahade goide kommuunis discordis?
Angel Watson
>Japan is having the worst problems with birth rates Just like most Western countries. Hopefully their heavy emphasis on automation and domotics will partially compensate.
>Not an argument. Wasn't intended to be one.
Brayden Phillips
America is not a civic nationalist state, america is opposed to nationalism, it is a Jewish run clown democracy.
Democracy has no place in a civic nationalist country, all democrats would be executed in public.
Statistics are do not justify the hatred for 100% of black people, that would be the case if all black people behaved like savage niggers.
Colton Adams
> jewish parasites >russian rape baby
This is the posterchild of the tolerant civic nationalist. Sad.
Juan Evans
You are not talking about your house, you are talking about your country and nation. Stop making logical fallacies faggot.
Nathan Peterson
no what's happening is they have absolutely no faith in the future since the economy hasn't moved since the 90s
Oliver Smith
> As the old people die off No no that's not how this works. There will be more and more old people compared to the percentage of young people.
>Just like most Western countries. ??? No western country is as near to the catastrophe as Japan is.
Also, I am not actually arguing for hatred. Just racial separatism. I don't know what argument you had with that other estonian, i just kinda joined in kek.
There's absolutely nothing wrong with peaceful co-operation and great relations with any ethno-states around the world.
Cooper Foster
go preach your fallacious ideology somewhere else shitface don't forget to take some refugees in your house sponsored by your state enforced refugee resettlement program
Starship trooper. No jews, no democracy, the best of all races prosper, shit tier good for nothing trash, be they white or black, are treated like trash. Those who do not have the correct attributes do not get citizenship status, they do not get the rights and responsibilities and the benefits that citizens get.
If you are not willing to serve for your country and make it advance, then you do not deserve anything from the country but the bare minimum and a quick removal from the genepool if you oppose, endanger or hold back the country.
Bentley Walker
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Jaxson Taylor
Nothing here is correct, Mohammed.
You don't understand what civic nationalism is. You're talking about one thing, and I'm talking about something else.
>This doesn't make sense. If one ethnicity has their own country... which entity gives them "gibmes" then when it is they themselves having to work for everything. They don't work for it, though... The other people of that etnicity does.
>Do you even read what you type? Yes. Let me break it down, Achmed:
"It's not about making their countries great again, it's about making them great again, at the expense of their countries."
This means the people that subscribe to ethnic nationalism does not want to make their countries great again. They're just another form of gibme loosers that want the country to hand them stuff simply because they were born there, as opposed to having to actually earn it. Think affermative action as opposed to free market capitalism.
>Most of the muslims here are turkish nationalists praising Erdogan. In addition, they are mostly unworthy, barely educated, 50% unemployed and drain the welfare system. They are just "needed" as consumers. Then they're not really covered by the statement I made, are they? Also, noone gives a shit about your failed country, Khassim.
>Creating devide and conquer threads for his "special brand" of nationalism. You are the equivalent of "real communism hasn't been tried". It is the white man's ideology. If you read the next few lines I briefly explain why. If you don't understand it, then it's because you're not educated, like me. Also, it has been tried, repeadetly, and it works.
I don't see a divide and conquer situation either to be honest, since I don't consider Ethnic Nationalism to be an actual ideology. There's no real intellectual ground for it. It's a knee-jerk counter reaction to a nation gone wrong.
Xavier Jackson
That's assuming fertility won't stabilize.
That doesn't contradict the fact that the Japanese have a culture of saving.
Nathan Brown
whad are you imblying :DDDDD
kas sa venelane?
Jacob Ward
Kill yourself disgusting kike.
Henry King
Look at the love for humanity spewing from this post.
Adam Roberts
That's assuming that every single prediction model gets at least something right.
The tests done on animal utopias, computer simulations, etc.
Justin Martinez
>civic nationalism aka larp hard enough as a Japanese and you will become one
Isaac Gray
Edgy "muh hortler :DDD" racist kiddies BTFO
Caleb Harris
>Also, noone gives a shit about your failed country, Khassim. Your thrice failed nation, I should say.
Kevin Cooper
What the fuck are you talking about? Civic nationalism is not "tolerant", what kind of nonsense goes on in your cancerous head? Civic nationalism is autocratic and intolerant of those that hold the nation and country back, be they white or black or brown or yellow. You have to earn citizenship, non-citizens are not allowed to reproduce, if you do, death penalty.
My ideology is great and was used by all the great countries, cultures and civilizations. My extreme statements are rightous, just and based on reason. Nobody can refute them.
Samuel Garcia
Nice cuckservative neocon agitation.
Are you jewish? I bet you are
Nicholas Watson
>What the fuck are you talking about? Civic nationalism is not "tolerant", what kind of nonsense goes on in your cancerous head? Civic nationalism is autocratic and intolerant of those that hold the nation and country back, be they white or black or brown or yellow. You have to earn citizenship, non-citizens are not allowed to reproduce, if you do, death penalty.
And yet your argument against ethnic-nationalism is that it's based on hatred. You're projecting your own hatred. You don't understand analogy or humour either. You should advocate autismal nationalism.
Nope, what is required for civic nationalism is the will to kill low IQ retards like you and remove them from the genepool of the country. I don't care if you are white or black, if you are trash, like you, you do not belong in civic nationalist state. Civic nationalist country will be majority white/asian btw.
Levi Stewart
I'd certainly love it to be the case, but especially here in America, a large amount of whites are mutts from quite a few different white nations, or at least not so brown ones. With that though, a too diverse background would cause a fairly significant identity crisis, no? I mean I'm sure most whites would group with another group of majority whites when the line in the sand is finally drawn for the race war, but there are also a nice amount of honorary Aryans that strict ethnocentrists would be foolish to turn away. Assuming both of those are significant factors, the next major unification would probably be religion, but the nation is definitely a valid runner up. I'd try to expand more on everything but I hate typing on a mobile
You can take your soft retardation and fuck off to somewhere else on the planet. Civic nationalism doesn't carre for humanity or love, it cares for the best of the country and its citizens, to advance, to be the best they can be and improve and succeed. Civic nationalism is the best form of governing.
Caleb Powell
Ethnic nationalism is the ONLY nationalism. A nation can't be formed by multiple races, religions and cultures. It simply wouldn't be a nation anymore. Your country is doomed, Sven. No amount of mental gymnastics will save it.
Camden Flores
You preach inorganic dribble, see and understand the laws of nature that govern us as a species and realize the idiocy of your way of thinking
Adam Bennett
Nationalism is a political atavism that shouldn't exist today.
The only reason it's gathering support now it's because all political ideologies are dead and people are defaulting on ethnic identity for lack of any of common principle.
Christopher Young
> Ethnic nationalistm are for insecure, lazy, shit eating faggots >Civic nationalism is the white man's idiology wat?
