Daily reminder the drug war is the primary cause of black disadvantage
Daily reminder the drug war is the primary cause of black disadvantage
Wyatt Russell
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David Perry
> Implying all blacks are involved in drug related crime against their will
Nathan Lee
>Implying all blacks derive some disadvantage from the drug war
>Implying that drugs should be illegal and heavily punished
>Implying anyone's better off because of the drug war
Jace Hall
>grow up in an area without honest job opportunities
>either be homeless or sell drugs
Yeah, check your privilege you entitled shit.
Ryder Nguyen
Definitely the drug war and nothing to do with birth control or feminism.
Angel Fisher
>1960
>less than 70%
They were also shit tier.
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The reason for building places like Pruitt Igoe was that niggers built Africa tier shanty towns in the 50s after migrating to northern states. The mechanical cotton picker is the primary cause of black disadvantage.
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They were always associated with crime, retardation, destruction and filth.
Leo Wood
Birth control was available plenty prior to the 70's when the increase began. Your graph only shows unwed mothers relative to other races not the raw rate itself.
Feminism has been around well before the 70's as well
Jordan Peterson
The cotton pickers had been around since 1944.
Jordan Johnson
Besides that poverty has little to no effect on crime
Lincoln Cruz
Huh? It was partly a joke. Their shit tier genetics are their main disadvantage. The mechanical cotton picker made them completely irrelevant to the US (and world) economy. They're like raccoons. They have no useful place in society unless they're pushed into semi-relevance through affirmative action.
Logan Price
what about the war on poverty and welfare increases in the 60s?
why get married when the government will provide?
Jayden Powell
>Besides that poverty has little to no effect on crime
I agree. I was pointing out the reason why and when niggers came into contact with human beings in the US.
Sebastian Foster
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Blacks are Africans.
They act like Africans in America, the UK, France, wherever they live.
Logan Walker
You mean desegregation and the welfare state?
Aaron Reyes
and in 1996, some of the welfare stuff was reworked, and you can see the two parent household percent increase slightly after that point
Thomas Wood
>Birth control was available plenty prior to the 70's when the increase began.
The rate began ramping up in the 1960s. It's not a coincidence that the Griswold v. Connecticut decision came in 1965.
>Your graph only shows unwed mothers relative to other races not the raw rate itself.
No, it shows the raw rate. 72.3% of African-American mothers are unwed today. 52.5% of Hispanic mothers are unwed today. These are rates.
>Feminism has been around well before the 70's as well
The goals of pre-1960s feminism were very different. With the Equal Pay Act of 1963 and Civil Rights Act of 1964, not only could state governments no longer discriminate against women, but even private businesses could not. Women had no further legitimate grievances to be addressed at this point. All feminism from this point on was toward sexual liberation and other social inventions.
Jaxson Johnson
>Huh? It was partly a joke. Their shit tier genetics are their main disadvantage.
How much sense does that make though? I'm assuming you know how awful single motherhood is for a child and the rate of single motherhood in the black community is insanely high. Chances are either your mum, dad or you grew up in a home with a single mother which would've had a profound impact on such things as the chance that you will go to jail. Obviously genetics would have to play some sort of role in things such as rate of black incarceration but the single motherhood rate will always mean that the role this will play will be miniscule in comparison
fathermag.com
>85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home
>90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes
>71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes
William Richardson
But how do you then explain the complete absence of any change in single motherhood rate after 1920's new deal?
>No, it shows the raw rate. 72.3% of African-American mothers are unwed today. 52.5% of Hispanic mothers are unwed today. These are rates
Unwed isn't single mothers though
>All feminism from this point on was toward sexual liberation and other social inventions.
> It's not a coincidence that the Griswold v. Connecticut decision came in 1965.
Why did this not impact white single motherhood rate though?
Joseph Butler
>Unwed isn't single mothers though
Having a rotation of men coming in and out of a child's life isn't any better than being a single mother and is, in fact, a common feature of single mother households.
>Why did this not impact white single motherhood rate though?
It clearly did.
On incarceration, you might notice a disconnect if you check timelines. Your argument is effectively that incarceration led to higher single parenthood rates. However, incarceration rates did not begin to rise until 1980. Both "single mother homes" and "children born to unwed mothers" began to rise rapidly in the 1960s.
If the two are to be correlated, you clearly have cause and effect backward. Without attempting to reach a conclusion, single motherhood and crime rates went up at the same time, then incarceration rates began to rise some 15 years later. To claim the second event caused the first event beggars logic.
The more likely explanation is that a breakdown of responsibility led to both higher single mother rates and higher crime rates, and the higher crime rates in particular led to higher incarceration rates.
Historic crime rates: disastercenter.com
Center-left policy wonk take on increased out of wedlock birth rates: brookings.edu
Cameron Thomas
>But how do you then explain the complete absence of any change in single motherhood rate after 1920's new deal?
black women didn't typically qualify for it until the 60s
see:
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"ADC was primarily created for white single mothers who were expected not to work. Black mothers who had always been in the labor force were not considered eligible to receive benefits.[3] The words "families with" were added to the name in 1962, partly due to concern that the program's rules discouraged marriage.
The Civil Rights Movement and the efforts of the National Welfare Rights Organization (NWRO) in the 1960s expanded the scope of welfare entitlements to include black women."
Brody Cooper
Stupidity is the primary cause of black disadvantage every where in the world
Julian Cruz
Daily reminder that being useless duckswho can't follow rules, refuse to obey the law and have concept of future repercussions for actions are the leading cause of nigger ills.
Sebastian Cooper
>continue to live in places with no jobs
See, that's where you messed up
Austin Sullivan
>If only Africa didn't have marijuana.
Carter Butler
Dumb mothers have children with bad fathers. Bad fathers skip out on children because they do not think through the consequences of their actions.
What is to say that genetic factors have not contributed to the rate of single parenthood?
Cooper Moore
The primary cause of black disadvantage is their brain
Liam Hughes
An urge to either leave or stay with your offspring is dictated by genetics in every single animal species.
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Humans aren't an exception. Niggers aren't either.
Jonathan Green
>Having a rotation of men coming in and out of a child's life
You don't have to be married to raise a child with another man and unmarried people aren't in open relationships
>It clearly did.
No it didn't >However, incarceration rates did not begin to rise until 1980
I don't know where your getting that graph from, source
>Both "single mother homes" and "children born to unwed mothers" began to rise rapidly in the 1960s.
Harsh drug policy began in 1969. I have no data on the trends of single motherhood from 1960-1970 so it'd be very difficult to say. Children born to unwed mothers doesn't exactly help much if we acknowledge feminism to be a driving factor behind lower marriage rates which it clearly is
>The more likely explanation is that a breakdown of responsibility led to both higher single mother rates and higher crime rates, and the higher crime rates in particular led to higher incarceration rates.
That would require that we ignore the fact that there was no change in single motherhood rate for 40 years after the new deal though unless you have something else to suggest that dramatically broke down responsibility
Josiah Phillips
The how did white single motherhood decrease after the New Deal as well?
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>What is to say that genetic factors have not contributed to the rate of single parenthood?
Well mainly the fact that black single motherhood has gone up by ~30% and their genetics have remained the same this entire time
Jaxon Jackson
That's pretty accurate. I say white privilege doesn't exist because being black isn't a disadvantage to these people, though during the 70s and 80s the drug war was used to attack black people, which made the next generation of blacks more poor (where they were disadvantaged because being rich is privilege).
Never mind that in the 70s and 80s cops would frequently plant drugs on blacks.
Wyatt Gray
>I don't know where your getting that graph from, source
Source: An Institutionalization Effect: The Impact of Mental Hospitalization and Imprisonment on Homicide in the United States, 1934–2001 by Bernard E. Harcourt, The University of Chicago
A free copy is available here: www3.law.columbia.edu
>Harsh drug policy began in 1969
The Comprehensive Drug Abuse Prevention and Control Act of 1970 was passed in 1970, but "harsh" enforcement did not begin until the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984. Incarceration rates rose between 1965 and 1984 as a direct result of increased violent crime rates. Again, see: disastercenter.com
>That would require that we ignore the fact that there was no change in single motherhood rate for 40 years after the new deal
You're very confused on when and what the New Deal was. New Deal legislation began getting passed in 1933 when Franklin Roosevelt took office, although you could technically extend this to similar policies under Hoover dating to as early as 1930. New Deal policies included public works programs, Social Security, and regulation of the financial system and workplace. Social Security was exclusively available to people aged 65 and older, which certainly did not qualify as single mothers. Included in the Social Security Act of 1935 was the Aid to Families with Dependent Children, but this provided so little in benefits at the time that it would not be worth discussing. New Deal policies were themselves regularly struck down as unconstitutional until 1937, but they are irrelevant to your argument generally. The only demographic which could rely on government for assistance at this time were the elderly. Only in 1956 were benefits extended to the disabled, today know as Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI). However, SSDI is still not benefits for single mothers, or anything other than disabled people.
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Jack Nelson
The first relevant shift came with the Flemming Rule of 1960. This guaranteed that the Aid to Families with Dependent Children benefits could not be denied to mothers of children born out of wedlock, as had been common practice in some states.
Then came the "Great Society". First, the Aid to Families with Dependent Children was expanded beginning in 1962 when John F Kennedy was still in office. Benefits from this program continued to grow into the late 1970s before they began to decline. After Lyndon B Johnson took office, we first had the Food Stamp Act of 1964. As the name implies, this made a permanent program of food stamps, which provide significant assistance to single mothers in feeding their children. Second, we had the Social Security Amendments of 1965, which created Medicare and Medicaid. Medicaid is the program relevant to single mothers, as it covers health care costs for sufficiently low-income individuals. With both food and health care covered, all that was left was housing costs. For this, LBJ gave us the Housing and Urban Development Act of 1965, the first act to provide direct rent subsidies to low income families.
In short order, between 1960 and 1965, we went from low-income single mothers receiving virtually no benefits to having food, health care, and housing costs heavily subsidized by government.
This addresses an argument made by someone else concerning financial responsibility, which is clearly a relevant argument. This is in addition to the issues of birth control and sexual liberation addressed early. Together, these changes in government policies and culture which came about rapidly in the early 1960s had the effect of destroying personal responsibility and increasing crime rate, which "harsh" enforcement of drug laws only arriving two decades later.
Julian Wilson
nah, niggers always find a way to fuck things up,i mean, just take a look at Haiti, they have never had any issues related to drug trafficking or gun smuggling like Mexico or Colombia and for some reason they managed to fuck things up so epically that are the worst place in the continent.
Austin Stewart
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Matthew Clark
It's never that serious, even outside the ghetto there are job opportunities but they're not lucrative so they don't bother
Lincoln Parker
You know you never really see a single Asian mother, I guess this proves that
Ian Ramirez
You do realise the drop from 60-80 reflects the decrease in mental hospital occupants and that finer views show a clear rise in imprisoned and jailed after 1970
>"harsh" enforcement did not begin until the Comprehensive Crime Control Act of 1984
Clearly more people began to be jailed after 1970 though after the passing of the act and 1980 laws compounded on this. Depending on how you define harsh its really either way but obviously the 1970 laws had great impact.
On the issue of welfare even accepting the fact that the New Deal wouldn't have greatly benefited single black mothers it still needs to be explained how despite the fact that single white mothers were in a similar situation as blacks in the 1960's yet saw no significant change in white single motherhood rate.
Julian Collins
Somehow everyone in the area gas money to buy though. Fuck all of them.
Joseph Bell
Also on this point of the welfare - single motherhood model despite a rapid decrease in monthly benefits from the mid 1970's to 2005 there has been a clear decrease in black single motherhood
Nathan Collins
>Clearly more people began to be jailed after 1970...
Incarceration rates did not surpass the 1939 and 1961 highs until the late 1970s, despite violent crime rates skyrocketing through the late 1960s and entirety of the 1970s. Are you even trying to read the data?
>... in the 1960's yet saw no significant change in white single motherhood rate.
Children born to unwed white mothers increased from a nearly constant 2-3% from as far back as data goes through the early 1960s and was already over 10% by 1980, when incarceration rates only began to climb to record levels. Are you even trying to read the data?
I've provided clear graphs and clear data tables with clear sources and you're pretending none of it exists.
That "model" refers to a single benefit, Aid to Families with Dependent Children. It does not include Food Stamps, Medicaid, or housing subsidies which were all created or made permanent in 1964-1965. You're not even trying at this point.
Nathan Price
s/model/graph/
Ryan Lee
>Incarceration rates did not surpass the 1939 and 1961
Yeah but your graph also includes mental hospitals which clearly isn't pertinent to drug crime
>Children born to unwed white mothers increased from a nearly constant 2-3% from as far back as data goes through the early 1960s
Have a look at White single motherhood continued to decrease 40 years after the New Deal and welfare programs for single mothers were introduced
> It does not include Food Stamps, Medicaid, or housing subsidies which were all created or made permanent in 1964-1965
Alright fair point
Camden Butler
*shoves dick in your face*
*smashes it hard against your throat*
*pulls out hard*
*clenches fist*
*punches your fucking teeth in*
Check yours.
Evan Turner
>Yeah but your graph also includes mental hospitals which clearly isn't pertinent to drug crime
The study charts both mental hospitals institutionalization and incarceration. I wasn't going to go through the effort of creating a new graph with only incarceration rates when it was already included in the provided graphs. You even provided a second (unsourced) graph in which proves my point. It was only in the late 1970s that incarceration rates moved outside normal historical rates. This shouldn't come as a surprise, as violent crime and property crime rates were both skyrocketing from 1964 though 1980. Again, see: disastercenter.com
>Have a look at
That charts "female-headed families", which is not the same as children both out of wedlock or single mothers. This may include retired widows, for example. It is impossible to know without a source and explanation from the source of who it includes. On the other hand, I've provided a chart with clear source on out of wedlock births by race. You continue to ignore it.
>White single motherhood continued to decrease 40 years after the New Deal and welfare programs for single mothers were introduced
New Deal programs were created in 1933-1938. Relevant and significant welfare programs were created in 1964-1965. Out of wedlock childbirth among white mothers began to creep up in the middle of the 1960s, as clearly shown in the graph with source I've provided and which you continue ignore. This is not a gap of 40 years, this is a gap of 0 years.
Out of wedlock childbirth among white mothers went from a constant 2-3% to suddenly rising as soon as single mothers could get significant benefits.
Josiah Baker
Daily reminder that drug kingpins are actually very talented entrepreneurs.
Landon Price
Alright well to get more specific on this point the drug policy of Nixon and LBJ clearly led to more drug arrests. There can hardly be little doubt on this point that more people were jailed as a result of the war on drugs
>That charts "female-headed families", which is not the same as children both out of wedlock or single mothers
That's the source, I can't find any given definition
irp.wisc.edu
And this holds that female-headed and single mother are interchangeable
encyclopedia.com
>I've provided a chart with clear source on out of wedlock births by race. You continue to ignore it.
Because its not relevant to the point and is clearly influenced by things such as feminism. The discussion is whether welfare or the war on drugs influenced single motherhood in the black community
>New Deal programs were created in 1933-1938. Relevant and significant welfare programs were created in 1964-1965
And somehow white single motherhood remained relatively constant for 50 years despite all this
>Out of wedlock childbirth among white mothers began to creep up in the middle of the 1960s, as clearly shown in the graph with source I've provided and which you continue ignore
Because they're not single mothers
Evan Bailey
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Dominic Roberts
>drug arrests
>not drug crime