Frenchfags, redpill me on Fillon. is it true that Le Pen could actually beat him?

Frenchfags, redpill me on Fillon. is it true that Le Pen could actually beat him?

and if she doesn't, is he actually right-wing?

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he is the candidate of banker, big coorporation, EU commission, and retired people
he s for :
increase work hours to 48/weeks paid 35hours
retirement age increase to 65+
easier to lay off people
pro EU
against abortion

The ones voting for him are people who arent affected by the changes he plans to fuck the workforce with.

No clue if she can beat him, cause he s all a christian fag against islam and he ll try to capitalise on people afraid to vote FN because media are saying "muh raycist"

It's true that he could steal enough middle class and elderly voters from MLP for her not to be on 2nd round.

thanks.

I read somewhere that Fillon getting the nomination was good news for Le Pen, but maybe the author is retarded.

well marion marechal lepen admited that fillon would be the hardest to beat... i dont know if it s cause they though ali juppe would be easier or because he came out of nowhere like a wildcard.
i m really afraid of him becoming president cause as someone in the workforce it would basically be returning to 1890 style of relation between employee and employer.
he is like a catholic integrist version of tatcher

We don't have polls to confirm it.
But medias are already shilling about "FN's nervosity" because they didn't plan someone else than Crooked Sarko or Ali Juppé, much less someone with more right wing credentials than them on some issues.

A formerly pro-FN website like Fdesouche has come to despise MLP more and more over the last 6 years as she made her party more politically correct and also almost nationalist-socialist (not nazi, really nationalist and socialist) on economy seducing governement employees and working classes, but displeasing its traditionally conservative middle class voters.

Wow,so hes a retard,i would like more for Juppe win than this cunt.Of course if Le Pen doesnt.

unfortunatly in France the majority of the population is pretty old and most of the voterforce are retired people, so they choose the fate of the country and fuck the young generation.
this man is basically what the "patronat" of the 19th century was.
he also plans on cutting off 600k governement workers

Hum Marine could beat him. We have just to convince leftists to vote for her.

You guys are so leftist

What about juppe? I think i heard he has the highest chance to win this election?

His plan to scrap universal healthcare won't please the poorest among retired people because the price of their private health insurances will skyrocket. They argue that competition will mean performance but those companies work for profit and believe me, I work as a contractor for them and they and they have luxurious spendings.

>he also plans on cutting off 600k governement workers
>Hi, I didn't even read the guy's program but I'm gonna comment on it anyway!
It's up to 500k, less if his plans for savings do not go as well as expected.
It's also not "cutting off workers" but rather relying on not renewing offices after retirement, not renewing short-term contracts. The only things that would really be cut off are local collectivities and that's about fucking time we dealed with that shit. Seriously, every mayor even in a small town having 5 teams to micromanage the fucking library is insane and an obvious money-pit that shouldn't have been allowed to grow in the first place.
That said it all relies a lot on increasing the weekly worked hours and we'll have to see how that goes. It's a good thing to do in the long run (fucking 35 hours ruined everyhting) but nobody is going to be happy with it.

>and if she doesn't, is he actually right-wing?
Le Pen is a socialist pushing for more taxes, more welfare, a more centralized state, mossible nationalisation of public services companies among others. She is only right wing because her party was that way when her father ran it, and because she is against immigration.
Infact her proposals are almost identical the that of Mélanchon, who is openly far-left.
Fillon is what actual right-wing politics are like, not opportunistic populism that claims to be right wing by waving flags at rallies.

>The ones voting for him are people who arent affected by the changes he plans to fuck the workforce with.

Pretty much this, the boomers made a fucking socialist fest in the 80s and now they are retiring they are voting to send back the workforce to pre 1945 labor laws.
I think he is honestly the best candidate to make Le Pen win.

Elderly don't vote for Lepen and that's the problem.

Chaim, what the fuck are you "thanking" these two little antifa pricks for who have clearly drifted onto Sup Forums now that their little Nuits Debout game on the Place de la Republique has broken up?

Yes. Fillon believes in the work ethic, somethng that is sorely needed in France which is being held back in a 1970s timewarp by overt Stalinist trades-union bully-boys like the CGT, who will commit sabotage and blackmail to keep their ageing members in jobs-for-life while not giving a fuck about the massive unemployment rates among those not part of the trades union racket.

And yes, he's "all a christian fag against islam" if our little antifa Nuits Debout prick here means by that that Fillon is conscious of being a son of Europe's most ancient Christian nation and refuses to close his eyes to the fact that the people of this "eldest daughter of the Church" are currently being slaughtered in our hundreds every year by Muslim jihadists, that our priests are being beheaded etc.

There is just a slim chance that Fillon, if he wins, will implement the revival of French national consciousness that Sarkozy said he would implement but never did. We should be glad, at least, that he won a decisive victory in the primaries over the despicable Juppé, who would basically have sold France to its invaders.

>mfw French faggots believe Fillon will accomplish anything
It's 2007 all over again, la droite la plus conne du monde.

He does if he is the republican candidate, but in the first round of the republican primary voting, Fillon absolutely dominated.

I am a British expat living in France and posts like this really make me despair of the French.

I presume you think of yourself as "red-pilled" since you are posting on Sup Forums and seem to be behind LePen.

But any non-French poster in this thread is surely as baffled as I am by how someone who thinks themselves red-pilled can also be mewling and whining about "going back to pre-1945 labor laws".

Yes. France SHOULD go back to pre-1945 labor laws. How could any red-pilled person believe it SHOULDN'T?

In 1945, in France as in England, political and cultural hegemony was seized by a bunch of collectivist-totalitarian egalitarians - in France's case by a Communist Party openly directly controlled from Moscow (in England's case by a Labour Party whose communist ideology was less overt).

It was THESE Moscow puppets who introduced the "post-1945 labor laws" that you are afraid Fillon will dismantle.

Please, fuck off back to smashing in the windscreens of Uber drivers with your unionised Arab "potes" and get the fuck off this board WHICH IS NOT FOR SOCIALISTS.

It's not about being right or left, it's about making the millenials and generation Z to pay the debt of the extravagant lifestyle of the boomers by throwing them into deep austerity.
None of these reforms touch the elders, they don't reduce the retirement pensions (that are paid by us) or the unearned incomes.

Mitterrand, Giscard d'Estaing and Jospin (who were sent into office by them) made the country a socialist fest and now suddenly these people who voted for socialism during decades and saturated the country with immigrants (costing a fortune in welfare) are now saying us "well we can't continue like that, sorry kids, gotta have less protection, earn less to cover the bill... oh and don't even think about touching my pension, in fact reduce the taxes for us, we are just a poor old couple...".
You see, it's one sided "solidarity".

No matter the inclinaison, left or right, our generation see that we are the ones being sacrified, and for what ? A socialist shithole in way of africanization.
These reforms should have been made in the 90s, not opportunistically now.
I want the boomers to suffer, I want them to make queue in the streets for food when the retirement system will collapse, if we want to rebuild something better it must burn and they have to pay for it.

Guise we got this. Plan:

Meme the senior vote

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How?
>Fillon will cut their pensions!
>Fillon will cancel social healthcare on their daily medications and visits to the doctors!
>Old people will have to spend their lifesavings on a costly private insurance!
>while migrants will get everything for free!


Meme the civil servants vote

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How?
>Fillon will fire 500,000 State employees!
>Fillon will make them work more for less!
>They will get punished if they are sick ("jour de carence)!
>Fillon will break their status, guaranteed by law!

See It's about accountability, you and the germans can't understand, you had Thatcher and Schröder while we had Mitterand and Jospin.
Boomers are traitors, I don't see why we should make them any gift.

>Pretty much this, the boomers made a fucking socialist fest in the 80s and now they are retiring they are voting to send back the workforce to pre 1945 labor laws.I think he is honestly the best candidate to make Le Pen win.

This is so accurate it hurts.

The problem is not whether or not we should go back to pre-1945 labor laws but if Fillon has the gonade to make it real. And the answer is no.

Ergo a vote for Fillon is a vote for 5 years of the same shit i.e. marginal reforms in economy, nothing done against immigration and being a vassal state of Germany.

Rightists getting diamond hard for Fillon are memory-challenged retards.

He could have saved us.
He was our only hope.
Now all is lost.

Or, put more honestly, what you want is for your generation to continue to get the "guaranteed-highly-paid-job-for-life" pampering that your fathers and grandfathers got from Mitterand and you really don't give a fuck that that pampering was delivered on the basis of a murderously unjust philosophy of statist dictatorship emanating from Moscow and the Bolsheviks.
You're pathetic. Your anger over the ongoing invasion and infection of France by Islam doesn't stem from any real national pride or self-awareness, just from butthurtness that it's not the French "working classes" that are the pampered pets of a dictatorial collectivist state any longer, it's now the migrant lumpenproles instead. You will NEVER have the balls to stand up and say "we're not going to be ANYONE's pampered little pets, we're going to rely on ourselves"

Yeah, sure kid.
Sup Forums is really an appropriate place to post links to articles published on the French "Slate" website - a website founded by JACQUES ATTALI, for fuck's sake.
If any of the Sup Forums kids knew anything about what they are reading here, they'd recognize that they're reading the equivalent of an article by Glenn Greenwald in the Huffington Post.
You have to go back.

The site isn't important. What is important is that old people vote massively, and they'll vote Fillon. We have to reach them.

>You will NEVER have the balls to stand up and say "we're not going to be ANYONE's pampered little pets, we're going to rely on ourselves"

I want for our generation to see the system collapse and rebuild on sane basis, if austerity happens I don't want to see it thrown only on my back while the old fucks are enjoying their villa on the beach and Mohammed keeping the free shit coming, I won't sacrifice myself for the most selfish and egocentric generation this country ever saw, I won't pay the bill for May 68.

Let it burn already.

Tant que je suis là, l'autre jour sur le Discord du MFGA, un papier de Faits et Documents (du regretté Ratier) résumant la vie de Fillon avait été posté:
faitsetdocuments.com/FD236.pdf

Très révélateur sur la capacité de réforme du collaborateur Fillon.

>you expect us to read this?

Un résumé, peut-être ?

I believe the correct term is cuckservative.

Je doute sérieusement de sa capacité à faire ses réformes phares sans avoir quelques millions de personnes manifestant dans la rue.


Quant à l'élection, en cas de second tour Fillon-le Pen, j'ai hâte de voir la Gauche appeler à voter pour Fillon contre le Pen en dépit de toute logique

En gros il a bouffé à tous les rateliers de la Droite: Barre, Pasqua, Séguin, Balladur, Chirac, Sarkozy. Donc vacuité idéologique.
Il est membre du siècle. Donc membre de l'establishment.
Il n'a jamais mené a bien une réforme, baissant toujours son froc à la moindre grogne des syndicats. Donc tarlouze qui réformera que dalle.

In other words, he wants France to stop being a socialist shithole.

Too bad he won't do any single bit of whatever you said, because he'll shrivel at the first sign of a demonstration, like the cuck he is.

And France will keep diggin further into becoming a wasteland of diversity, hobos and urine smelling streets.

Sanders retard spotted.

Au passage sur les 12 pages, il n y en a que 3 qui concernent Fillon...

>faitsetdocuments.com/FD236.pdf
Good read, thanks, should be in the OP of the next election thread.

>I work as a contractor for them
That's why they are more efficient, because they use contractors who are actually fired if they do a shit job.

tl;dr ?

>Fillon has been a politician for his whole life, a friend of his parent put him in position
>Fillon has been aligning successively with almost every different group of the cuckservatives, backstabbing after backstabbing
>Fillon has never led any important reform and every time he tried, he yield to the unions
>Also Fillon is a member of a French elitist user group called le Siècle
To make it short, he is an opportunist cuck

You should support Melenchon.

How about
>remove all work regulations except for safety ones
>remove minimum wage
-deport non-EU28 bipedals
>fire 2/3 of your clogged,bureaucratic public administration
>fire useless government (welfare) workers
>defund useless government programs/"projects"
>Cut all welfare except for working FRENCH families with children
?
How about
>privatize all pension funds
>copy/develop a swedish style retirement funds that are actually investmend funds whose profits pay pensions
?

Give me 1 good reason why 20-30 year olds should give 50% of their income,in taxes,paying for other people's (old) expenses?
In healthcare,over 70% of costs are generated by retired and non-working people.

Fillon is an ultraliberal (economical sense) politician who's pretty much Thatcher without the balls.

If the FN wants to win, it has to go full statist and muh social model and french exception. It won't be pretty and by the time they're done, Sup Forums will be against the FN for being communist faggots.

What went wrong?

>French elitist user group called le Siècle
More info pls

>20-30 year olds should give 50% of their income
If you pay 50%, I want your salary.

>fire 2/3 of your clogged,bureaucratic public administration
>fire useless government (welfare) workers
I hope you realize that 20% of our labor force are public workers.
You're literally saying we should fire 3,7 millions people...

Fillon doesn't know what he's talking about. At all.

Yesterday he went on a rant about how we don't teach France's history anymore, how even Voltaire and Rousseau are out of the program, muh "History is a national roman", etc...

Except I'm an history teacher. In a fucking awfully poor place with mostly second-third generation migrants. And I just tought my students about Rousseau and Voltaire a month ago.

>Fillon is an ultraliberal
That's just electoral marketing user.
Sarkozy tried to pull a Buisson but could not.
Juppé had for only argument: FN will lose.
The only segment that was available was going full liberalism.

Well he's going with it so might as well consider him as an ultraliberal. I fail to see the difference between his program and something like Alain Madelin.

He has no core beliefs and switched between all the different movement in the right.
He is a pure bureaucrat and never ever had a real job, always did politics.
France Telecom privatization (that he led) was a total shitshow.
He almost always caved when he struggled in a reform.
He is a member of a club named "Le Siècle" where the elite of the elite meets every month.

In short he is a pure member of the establishment and doesn't really have a spine.
It's not really big news but it's always nice to have the entire thing sourced and written black on white.

Every month, important journalists, politicians and company bosses meet around a dinner to make sure that their "interests" are "converging". Average plutocracy shit.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Siècle_(think_tank)

>inb4 all the fags and leftists cuck him out of his nomination on sunday

I'm gonna be mad af if this happens, people have no integrity these days

>I hope you realize that 20% of our labor force are public workers.
>1/5 of your economy is government subsized
>He thinks that is a sustainable model
Literal communism country speaking here,we had that and here we are today.
>You're literally saying we should fire 3,7 millions people...
Yes,fire all parasites that produce nothing.
Your government is overbloated and clogged.

Also,cut welfare and make it hard to get unless its a working french family with children.

Alain Madelin believed in it.
Also Alain Madelin was based in his youth.
Fillon has always been a walking vagina.

>Implying libtards have it in themselves to wait in line for 2 hours+

If you want my salary, don't be a useless shit with a shit degree.
People don't owe you shit.

French truly is the only country where it's the whites who are entitled to gibsmedat...

>en dépit de toute logique
FN is, right now, considerably more in favor of socialism than Fillon is. Allegedly. But FN voters are extremely against public workers and welfare system (even if they benefit from it) and that's why Fillon is going that way.

Like Fillon who won't do what he said if elected, Lepen will do the same. She also wants to destroy the french social system and fire many public workers, she's just not saying it.

Leftist will prefer to hope that Fillon won't do what he said than hoping Lepen won't do what she didn't said.

If this happens, that would be really awesome for the FN. Butthurt cuckservatives will:
a) make sure the worst candidate is elected for the left primaries
b) either vote Marine or Macron
c) hand us victory

fair point, voting boots in the big cities are likely to be crowded and it's where most of the leftists are concentrated, but you never know man. Ali Juppé is trying his hardest to pander to the left

>People don't owe you shit.
Yeah but you owe people for the education and working society in which you managed to find that job.

All the niggers,mudslimes,gypsies and southern asians will be sure to vote for the "muh social benefits" guy.

>Asia talking shit
>When their entire development is due to the White man's money
Really makes me think

>southern asians
what ?

Also mudslimes vote Lepen, they just don't tell people about it.

Ok. It was pretty much written on his face but I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
So he's confirmed for spinelsss cuck. Good.

They don't vote for the most part. Why go out, wait, vote when mainstream Left & Right are already importing them en masse.

It won't happen.
They already don't vote in the general election so having them move their fatasses away tinder, Hanouna and video games for the righ primaries is science fiction.

Most arab daddys vote Le Pen, because they are sick of their own youth idiocies. Plus they are racists towards new migrants.

Switch to a private system and people will pay, instead of "owing" a blur and indefinite amount of money to "society" like some African tribe would do.

...

France has over 1,300,000 asians from all corners of the globe.
Including POO in LOOs.

The only good thing is they don't vote because tehy are too stupid to understand it and they just say that "they are all the same" (which isn't totally wrong but still retarded).
Problem is they will probably do it in 10 years.
Right now they are pushing Islam by violence and extremism, just wait for them to age, mature a bit and grow in population then you will have your muslim party entering in the assembly by 2027.

No, it's barely over 700 000.
Most of them are vietnamese by the way and aren't communautarist, asian minority in France is invisible both in terms of numbers and integration problem, they assimilated like the italian, polish spanish and white russian communities.

Then you have to pay all the poor for not rioting. Which is called welfare right now.

It was true 10 or 15 years ago. All the new migrants from China or India/Pakistan/whateverPooInLooShithole that I see everyday in Parisian metros are not integrated.

But that's true that Vietnamese (and all former Indochina countries' immigrants) are bro-tier.

Are you insane? Do you really want France to be run by a group of wealthy stuck-up cunts who only got their money from being born in a rich family? Because they had that system until 1789, and they got sick and tired of it. At least now France's wealth is spread across its entire population.

I do think people should work for their money, but that's already the case. The labor laws could be relaxed a little bit though.

yeah and they hate shitskins

>implying fags and leftists cuck will give 2 euros to the republicucks

Yes, yes, let's fire even more people when we are already facing massive unemployment, what could possibly go wrong?

The threat of a bullet is much cheaper to keep entitled cunts in line.

I honestly think people are getting tired of ghost politicians like him who seem to be only involved in internal affairs within their party and yet are still always present in the public debate.
Copé is one of the best example of this sort of self-serving political class : he is mayor of a small town not too far from Paris, where he does jack shit and lets his team do the rest ; he doesn't seem to have much national or even regional ambition ; yet he is constantly used as representative for his party or shines the shoes of his higher-ups. It's a bit clear that people want to see fresh faces instead of always seeing the same names all the time, be it Sarkozy refusing to let go, Juppé and Fillon resurfacing, Bayrou being the only figure for centrism or Le Pen being the only name attached to the FN. And Copé is one of the worst in that regard : not only is he always there, but he does not seem to do anything.
That and being Sarkozy's fall guy.

My side still hurts from last week.
I actually had to double check because I thought it was a joke.

If it's combined with shredding the idiotic work laws made to protect the boomers from younger competition, they would move their asses to find or create their own job.

One of the things that would be necessary for that is making it actually possible instead of punitive to try and form your business.
Right now you're getting buttraped by the cost of starting anything (for which you need money and any form of loand tends to be denied if you don't already have a starting capital, meaning you need to have money to get the money you need to start anything), you are often limited to shitty third sector stuff like retail, consulting or outsource for others since producing your own product requires full time folks to work just on regulation, and even once you get started, you can't grow much or else you end up having to allow unions in and as of right now they are pretty much overpowered bullies that choke every company and makes us much less competitive than all our neighbours (much more than the 35 hours actually)

Fillon will win. It sucks but he'll win.

He is socially conservative and economically libertarian Christian master race.

Fuck Le Pen

FILLON 2017 FOR PRESIDENT

>asian minority in France is invisible both in terms of numbers and integration problem
The chinese will become a problem if they get too numerous. They already try to run their own little parallel societies, many of them openly refuse to integrate and blend in. But it's not seen as a problem because there isn't many of them and they are not commiting violend or visible crime.
No. Instead they open facade shops used to launder some yuan and import opiates from Laos and Burma, and when they manage to get a foot into official instances (like they have in Tours with simplye one person. Not even a fucking network, ONE person was enough to deturn municipal funding, tax money and such to generate even more easy gain) then problems start.
It's very much true that the indochinese actually did very well here but a growing chinese community could be much more of a problem than many think.

I'm not shilling to import them, I just say they are an almost irrelevant subject and bringing it is counterproductive, it would just help the leftists defending immigration in fact.

I'd take him over Le Pen desu. With Fillon I know where I'm going while with Marine I don't

>not wanting to go on a surprise ride

Oh, user

I think it's time to try something new. Voting Fillon is voting for more Sarkozy.

>With Fillon I know where I'm going
Exact: you're going nowhere.

Why don't you grow a pair of balls and stop being afraid by the change?

Fillon will spread his ass cheeks for trade unions
Fillon will spread his ass cheeks for the racailles
Fillon will spread his ass cheeks for Merkel

Asking for the status quo is asking for death which puts you at the same level than the ethno-masochist left.

>implying we knew where we were going with hollande.
it was supposed to be a 5year of nothing happens and as a socialist he managed to fucking vote loie travail with a fucking investement banker in the minister.

Fillon will do even more retard shit
Every since party has proven its incompetence and how harmfull they were toward France's own interrest.
It s maybe time to vote for the only party that hasnt been in power... but i m pretty sure that the media will convince the mass that rivers will turn to blood that a plague of locus will descend upon france if FN is in power... guess what the locust are already destroying France and the filthy l'herpes (LRPS) are the ones bringing those locust.

You don't seem to be having many options desu and the boomers brought you into a situation which you cannot get out off. France is in need of drastic reform to get rid of all the socialism in your country and FN even wants to increase socialism!

Don't you have a candidate who can do something against the Islamization of your country AND the socialism who is incorruptable?

No, we don't have one serious candidate that fits this description.
Preserving France is more important than preserving its economy anyway. We'll have the opportunity to make its economy great again once its survival is assured.

Say that to the unemployed people that represent 10% of our active population.

remove islam and wellfare and citizenship from dual citizen or people with a criminal record be it as a minor. deport them seizing money from their bank account to pay for their deportation
you d suddently realise that france lost 10+M citizen.
then unemployement drops drastically
for the ones that had a job it s job opportunity for the unlucky french people.

start from their then start reindustrialisation, stop school from looking down on manual labour that has actual production value.

leave EU and euro after preping for 2years to reprint the money/press coins.

Immigrants represent how many of those 10%?
I'm not saying that immigration is our only problem but it sure is a heavy burden (besides being a deadly threat to our culture).