Can we have a nonmemetic discussion on German politics?

Can we have a nonmemetic discussion on German politics?
What is the actual mood in Germany, regarding refugees, and Merkel running for the fourth term?
Is it time for a change or not?

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balkanization when?

lets not do anything rash now

What do you want to know?

98% of Germans are as bluepilled as it gets. You can't really blame them with the levels of brainwashing here.
Every (serious) alternative to Merkel is even more left-wing, so we can't even hope for any change.
It'll take another 10 years or so before they can't cover things up with money anymore, and only when it comes to their money, people will be willing to vote in their own interest again. Nation, heritage, culture, family, self-respect, free speech, justice; none of these things matter to Germans.

>Martin "Put the Kraut in Sauerkraut" Schulz
>Martin "Germany pay reparations Money" Schulz
>Martin "Dead jerry makes me merry" Schulz
>Martin "Deutch ist Outch" Schulz

Difficult situation...
She got rid of all her opponents. There is no real alternative choice (the right winged parties like AFD won't become a majority because 'mu history') and, in fact, the people over just became to lazy and well fed to revolte against the system.
Left wingers are covered by law / corruption + gain financial support.
If you ask me, it's all fucked up. I hope the eastern states and Bavaria will (mentally and physically) abandon the system and reunite - that could cause a world worth to live in again.

The mood is anger and frustration.
There's no alternative to mama merkel so there's desperation. It's either more left (socialists) or the only alternative to the right AfD is sadly full of the absolute spergs of the right (like that roman salute guy in the us who thinks the alt right is real). Resulting in even if you want to you can't vote for them without regretting putting fully retarded people in the German Bundestag.

Result: it's shit or shit but at this point what different does it make?

Should I remove her fraulke already?

Can't one of you sacrifice yourselves and just end her

i doubt that would do anything at this point

Why should we? There are other options to live and enjoy life. You can travel around the world with a German passport and stay (if you are not a dump fuck). As I said, we are all 'fed up to the top' - no more violence anymore...

>why should we

Do it for Hitler, for the future of your people

youtube.com/watch?v=dPlTg6tCIh8

>the only alternative to the right AfD is sadly full of the absolute spergs

That's the most frustrating part. The only "alternative" is an alternative in name only.

As of right now, there is not a single political party or politician that represents my interests, mainly curbing islamization and dealing with the refugee/immigration problem while not sacrificing the economy with a neoliberal agenda.

lolno
she'll maybe play a role yet,
she'll maybe lead her party to some important seats in the bundestag
she may be able to capitalize on momentum generated by
> trump
> FN le Pen
> Hofer / Austria
> Dutch Elections / Wilders

and this is only already built up momentum,
she could also
> gain support through the desperation of the people
> remaining calm and reasonable
> but hard on immigration

there's also factors we can't measure yet
> more terrorist attacks?
> more rapefugees?
> escalating rapefugee violence?
> development in post brexit Bonglad

which could be part of a continued red-pill effort.

Listen to this guy - that's what most of our people think right now!

Petry seems clever and based, yes. But there is also an option without a voice:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Lucke

Do not underestimate this guy.

this, very much.

> member Piraten?
> member progressive technocrats?
> member direct democracy?
yeah, I member,
I member
> sjw infiltration
> ideological drift
> infighting
> fading into obscurity

this is pretty much what AFD has happening now
> see AFD?
> see professors and eurosceptics?
> see reasonable intelligent leaders?
I see
> severe infighting
> alienation of leadership and base
> brainpower drain
> ideological drift

it's the Pirates all over again, I fear.

But, as I said here
don't count them out yet.

Read the part where everyone replacing her would be even more left-wing.

Eh, this is exactly why Germany suffers so badly. Like I said, Germans don't care about any of those higher values, they only care about money and jealousy and sticking it to the rich.
You'd rather sacrifice your continent than sacrifice a single of your government benefits.

I would love for him to make a comeback.

Him and several other leaders leaving AFD was one of the biggest blows yet. Petry is essentially riding not on programatic strength, not on strength of good candidates or politics or experience,

she is riding the AFD train through elections basically fuelled only by rage and regret of the german electorate.

If enough people would stand against and end her, do you think the other lefties would dare step in her place?

If someone came in with enough money, could theoretically create a new party and win power?

I don't like her and I'd prefer for the AfD to be intellectual again instead of all these losers, but to be fair, Lucke was a huge cuckold when it came to immigration.
He was spot-on about Europe but was too afraid to name the second big problem we're facing.

Hardly. the german elections are not comparative to the american ones.

Usually you'll have to get some properly know figureheads, you'll need a decent policy, and then you need the money for campaigning.

But if you have only the money, you won't amount to much in the election - people won't give you their vote.

CDU is struggling because many members are tired of merkel and they want the party back to be conservative and if merkel is still doing the merkel they will lost many many votes next year.
AFD will probably get around 20% so it will be fun to see what a dumbass coalition they will build.

ya, true.

Well, maybe, maaaaaybe, FDP is making a comeback.

Although I saw Lindner and some LINKE guy on "unter de Linden" (phoenix latenight talk) sometime last week, and honestly, my impression is grim.

FDP used to be based,
they got crucified for being based and true
now they're cucks.

>What is the actual mood in Germany, regarding refugees, and Merkel running for the fourth term?
Most people woke up, not in Sup Forums terms, but in "average, non-autistic" terms. Most of us still want to help people, but no one gives a damn about niggers, or needy Arabs.
Now to the second part of the question. The ratio of people who despise her, and people who kinda accpet her is about 50:50. There are no euphorioc Merkel supporters.
But most people agree that's she will certainly get that 4th term.
>Is it time for a change or not?
Indeed it is, but there won't be

Well if there really was enough people standing against her, then they could just do it via an election. But there aren't.

It's not really about money or power in Germany.
There are only three factors:
1. Most importantly, old people. These are the majority of voters and vote what they have always voted for, even if it's their own death warrant.
2. Brainwashed, guilt-ridden, self-hating young people who'd kill themselves before they wore the wrong sneakers, let alone voted for the meanie party.
3. "Infiltration", any new party gets immediately destroyed from within - if the media hasn't already done the job.
But while you can stand against the media, you can't really do anything against bad faith actors in your own party.

Interesting how similar it is to the Wiemar Republic. And we know what that led to...

How is Austria by comparison? I might just ditch this and go live in zero beautiful alps. Innsbruck seems neat. I just want some red pulled germanics or even angles at this point. If all fails Poland seems like the best option but I hate the language. If welders wins Holland might become OK again. They seem to have started this development earlier and are now getting out.

That's not how it works in Germany. At least 70% of the people vote by their historical and local party affiliation not by issues or people.
Bavarians vote CSU because it's their party, the former miners and blue collar region of NRW votes SPD because it was the workers party, the former east votes bipolar for far right or left parties because they don't know if they want hitler or stalin back....

problem is that CDU won't bleed as many votes as you hope.
> strong core voter group
> cannibalizes SPD, Grüne and FDP policies
> garners favour with sjws and lefties for immigration politics perpetuated by merkel

CDU has become a fucking big blob of centrist-left-regressive politics,

moreover, they lack any real manpower to replenish the ranks.

At this point, SPD is better off in terms of leadership potential, Gabriel, Steinmeier, Steinbrück... can be good guys.
ofc then theres shitheads like Nahles or Maas.

So, all the people who want CDU SPD because they think merkel + CDU + Gabriel and his goodme will make a good vote,
will go and give their firstvote CDU, second vote SPD

>the former east votes bipolar for far right or left parties because they don't know if they want hitler or stalin back
That's why I love East-Germany

>people wont give you their vote
They said that about Trump and Brexit.. If the policies are spot on, even more so than Trumps, people would vote for them. They dont have to he extreme at all, at first. Just need a charismatic face to lead it

More like 70%, the rest are AfD (muh refugees) or a Linke voters (muh fuck capitalism).

That is probably correct but the more support and votes that the AfD gets, the more Merkel has to adopt sane policies. Merkel is already backtracking. If AfD become more credible and more of a threat, Merkel will be in full retreat with her self-genocide policies.

>helping people
>this is what you actually believe

you're not woke by any terms faggot

apt description!

FDP is basically like Lucke but with a Hillary-like social media touch and their fucking pink colour.

They're somewhat knowledgable economically but just completely cucked when it comes to social issues. Not to mention they had their chance and betrayed everyone.

Maybe, but its not gonna be easy. Most important thing would be to gain influence in the media.
Probably much over 90% of Germans get their news from (((mainstream media))) and state propaganda channels (that they are forced to pay for). Twitter is pretty unknown outside of IT and hipster culture and Facebook already gets censored heavily, so the social media phenomenon that helped Trump doesn't apply here

>infiltration
Good point, they can have someone from the inside start spewing some nazi shit and coupled with the ((media)) people will turn sour to it.

Thanks to merkel it's really alternativlos.
I hope we will see the berlin election again in the general election.
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP and give us R+R+G
I'm so tired of this SPD+CDU

> the Fedora Swede

Have fun living in your Sup Forums bubble friendo

No need for violence but it's still a lot of commitment, time and effort to create or build a movement. We have this issue in the UK with Brexit... The majority want it but they are usually the ones with a job, mortgage and kids, etc. It's hard for normal non-retards to commit to what is necessary. Of course, the globalist elites know this and that is why schools and colleges are now social, cultural and moral subversion programs.

That's what they regularly do, it's rumoured that in our actual right-wing party (NPD) there are now more government agents than actual members.
And like someone said, same happened to the Piraten which were pretty good during their first year, then made a complete 180 on every issue after they were taken over by SJWs.

To be fair, I don't think AfD is very infiltrated. They're simply so shunned by the media that the only people who become their headfigures are necessarily idiots with nothing to lose - which in turn of course turns people off the party.

Have fun destroying your country friendo

exactly what happened to the AFD my man.

Maybe do tons of rallies and pay for advertising to a website of policies and rally videos? This all requires a big donor, nobody wants to be the guy to bring nazi policies back

:)

how did they betray anyone?
you've been had by the mediajew

> be financial crisis outbreak
> be FDP
> shit goes down
> propose most redpilled policies
> greece needs to get its own currency
> only way for them to get back up
> only way to prevent mass unemployment

FDP basically proposed ALL the things, which AFD later stood for when it was founded.

the problem is:
> FDB makes redpilled proper politics
> they get politically murdered for it
> every party
> every media outlet
> eeeeeverybody hates them for it

and now, 12 years later, we still got the same shit going on - but people like you ( idiots like you! ) believe, that FDP betrayed someone.

they didn't.

they were juniorparner in Merkels First term
and they got killed for their stances
FDP is the first victim of Merkels Politics,
she did the same with SPD when it became the junior partner,
she does the same within her own party ranks to kill opponents

Yes, I think if we had a high energy guy like Trump who has the charisma and also the money and manpower, it would be possible to draw the necessary attention despite the media shilling.
Breitbart coming to Germany is a good start I guess, but only a small step.

Until the government decides that the website is responsible for promoting hate speech and shuts it down.
I left Bongland almost a decade ago because I knew that they were heading towards 1984, but this ship is now sinking at a faster rate.
I can't wait to get some more funds saved so I can fuck off somewhere else.

>promises lower taxes
>raises taxes

>says it will get rid of the ministry for sinking huge amounts of money in Africa for no reason
>but is suddenly just fine with it when it gives a job to one of their own

>could have been in charge of finances
>better become foreign minister for dat sweet prestige

They haven't done a single redpilled thing. They talk a whole lot, and some of it is good, but if you do none of it once you're elected, there's no reason to vote for you.

Even SPD got a lot more done as junior partners than FDP (albeit bad things for Germany).

FDP supporters remind me of libertarians in the US who end up voting for people like Johnson.

Yes, economic recovery (with a little happening in between).

AfD is pretty successful with filtering out the retards and keeping out impostors. Their public leaders and internal high level officers are often former members of other parties and know what to do. They aren't bloody rookies like the pirates were and they aren't nazi thugs with half a brain.

FDP didn't propose redpilled policies. They killed the internal opposition to their pro-Eurozone views, they made politics not for their voters but their donors, they couldn't care less of civil rights, they actively worked on expanding the security state but were shy to call out the real problems (e.g. radical Islam that is funded by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey because they are deep into deals with the Arabs). FDP in the last ten years was and remains a bunch of lazy and corrupt parasites.

It rather seems that pirate game is over. They have almost no publicity as opposed to the last election.

And most people living here are like "huehue muh old fashioned values", especially the 30+ aged.

anyone who doesn't go along with the globalist agenda will be called a racist, etc anyway.

Not a single person i know, stands behind her politics. I have no clue at all, where her approval rating comes from.

Her policies are supported by every single party except for AfD. What circles do you hang out in?

Yes, that's true for Brexit supporters too... generally grown up people who are the silent majority. However, when I was at school and university many years ago, we never had so much brain washing going on as there is now. I think all the global elite Jews need to do is wait a generation because the current 20 to 30 year old crop have had the equivalent of a frontal lobotomy. Not all of course, there are still some younger people out there who seem immune to the indoctrination programs used against them.

Nothing

Non-political circles? Ordinary people's circles, maybe?

All my friends are hardcore liberals/leftists.
The other day i said I'd expect all immigrants to learn German or at least have the motivation to learn our language if they plan on moving here and was called a racist based on that.
What gives? ;_;
(Not a degenrate Nazi or AfD Wähler like 99% of poll, though)

Nobody likes merkel. It is pure dictatorship.

Pls help.

New thread ,lads.

Evaluate this statement that a Hamburger told me.

German politics, and the german mindset is designed to not do anything, until the Bund is on fire and it's already a fucking disaster. They then proceed to go full crazy in the opposite direction.

Here's my question. Why is it Merkel's intention to have Syrians permamently relocated to Germany when the threat of ISIL is only temporary and when it's over, there's literally NO reason for them to not just go back home?

The pattern is the same in every 'Western' country. This tells us something... It's a globalist strategy. To be precise, Cultural Marxism. Maybe instead of calling out against Liberal policies in Germany, call out globalism and cultural marxism? I do that her with my Facebook 'friends' because they would all unfriend me if I said Liberal Progressives are fucking insane.

German bro reporting from the finacial center of the EU. Ask me anthing you want..

In the big city its pretty hostile now.. not due to refugees mostly, but due to radicalized subgroups of the left, right, turks, kurds and stuff...

>nearly weekly protests of police force secured groups are common

>local government stacking up on police force, with newly coined "Hilfs Polizei"..

>drug market at main station is a sprawlin mess

>finacial center of the EU
Do you see a chance to revert the process of refuggee influx ?

You should get look at #MEGA and the resources that get posted in Sup Forums. You and your like minded friends could contribute to that collective movement. For example, upload German specific memes? There's another project running here that I like which is coordinating the task of blitzing specific areas with posters. Just wear your hoody up because CCTV will get ya.

god damn my normie-facebook is basically softcore version of / pol / + few hardcore leftiest

Regional yes.. Frankfurt is lost tho, the new refugees nearly has no impact here, its more and more like London.

>prices for land or homes are unpayable by normal ppl
>rents skyrocketing
>influx of super rich in newly built gentrified areas everywhere
>also plenty of Neoliberal think tanks in town

>German gov announces that ethnic Germans will be extinct in 75-100 years
> Politicians "applaud" the fact that Germans will be a minority in 25 years
>Rapes everyday by mudslims
>Never before encountered GangRapes now normal
>Increasing violence and destabilization in majority non-white areas
>Mudshits offenders mostly get community service for the gravest of acts because hurr durr poor traumatized children and "cultural differences"
>First no-go zones forming:police say they lost control of some streets "controlled" by Arab clans
>Witch hunt of "Nazis" everyday in the media
>BKA ( FBI analog) raids anti-refugee Facebook's posters because muh Nazism
>AFd activist get their cars firebombed , thrown out of housing , attacked by antifa thugs without repercussion : they are "Nazis anyway"
>You will be socially ostracized and thrown in jail for having the "wrong" opinions
>Traitor Merkel will be running another 4 yrs after being in power for 12 yrs (democracy, amirite,?)

Living the progressive dream
Pic related what I dream about everyday

I frequent lots of bubbles. Elder ppl in church, bankers, migrants, Kindergarten circle, workers... Meet ~20 different ppl/day.

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to late everyone is a blue pilled cuck to the max, germany is steadily sinking and im already on the way out of here.I can onlyx advise every sane person should leave this shithole as soon as they can.

This. What Germany needs is this spirit.
That's why the British voted for Brexit!

You see the signs, you get called a Nazi for no reason yourself, but you're still so brainwashed that you need to call someone else a Nazi too or you just don't feel right and get a baddie feeling. So better sacrifice your country than to risk your moral superiority.

To me, you're worse than the actual leftists out there.

I would like to post a quote by you on a Brexit related Facebook group I edit for. However, we are user.

Harsh. Help the brother.

We cannot allow muslims to turn our culture into theirs! We must stop this invasion and therefore not vote for CDU/SPD again next year!!

gonna try and answer that for user

Merkel knows that the financial System is in cahoots, that helicopter money will soon appear in a more left oriented governement

Helicopter money whats that? It is basically a plan to give the plebs some sort of ground income to curb down social unrest and keep the gears of the economy grinding.

A problem arises then: No on will want to do the shitty jobs.. voila, if you have a workforce of 2-3 million refugees that can stay aslong they got work the plebs can get its money...

.. so the long gamble of Merkel (to be precise of Schäuble) is to get in a new servant group of ppl that will work for low ass wages and keep the social state upfloat until they can build robots.

It's the opposite. I'm lenient towards leftists who are just uninformed and get their opinion from The Daily Show because I know that if they were just given better sources and more information, they might come around.

This guy visits Sup Forums and has already been himself the victim of being shamed for holding a reasonable position. And yet he's so weak in mind that he still feels the need to kick down, to shame someone too.

And you see this cancer in Germany every day. People who will quote an AfD position word for word and mean it too but make sure to end every sentence with "of course I would never vote for the bad guys, I am one of you good guys".

I think you're making it a bit more complicated than it is. The globalists have simply been selling us this idea that we need these people for demographic reasons. But it comes down to the same thing.

Wow, the Jews has really fucked you up, and this come's from a fucking SWEDE. Feel bad for you bro.

You white Germans aren't breeding enough but the reason for that is over 40 years of social engineering via Cultural Marxism. Very low birth not enough to maintain the population. This was a manufactured problem to justify mass migration. Read about Count Coudenhove Kalergi - one of the founding Fathers of the EU. The main reason for mass migration from a culturally incompatible part of the world (any Muslim country) is because global elites, many of them Jews, want to destroy Western Civilisation. They want to to remove White European culture, identity and heritage. They also want to remove borders of course and, through globalism, destroy the middle-class and create the 99.999% of dumbed down Serfs who will have every aspect of their lives totally controlled, literally from cradle to grave. George Orwell, 1984. Just like Obama, Tony Blaire, Merkel and most of the West's so called 'leaders' are traitorous fucks who have sold out their people for NWO.

Hitler's rise was at the most unexpected of times, during German hyperinflation and in the middle of the Weimar Republic. never give up German lads, we thought the same as you pre-Trump, that it was all impossible. anything can happen, the trick is to utilize memes.

>German hyperinflation
It ain't that easy... the hyperinflation was 10 years beffore Hitlers rise to power... check who controlled Hitler for more info

So viele Deutschlandflaggen und kein einziges Wort auf Deutsch.

Ihr seid wahrlich gehörnte Jungs.

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> Anonymous (ID: WQKSKIpJ) 11/25/16(Fri)13:43:03 No.100179205 ▶
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>Hitler's rise was at the most unexpected of times, during German hyperinflation and in the middle of the Weimar Republic. never give up German lads, we thought the same as you pre-Trump, that it was all impossible. anything can happen, the trick is to utilize memes.
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> Anonymous (ID: Ks13UuzQ) 11/25/16(Fri)13:45:47 No.100179367 ▶
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>>German hyperinflation
>It ain't that easy... the hyperinflation was 10 years beffore Hitlers rise to power... check who controlled Hitler for more info
Some say the Jews controlled Hitler - not the expendable ones of course but the Zionist elites such as the Rothschilds via the Banking and Military Industrial complex. Is that how you see it?

Danke Bernd!

It was a win-win for Hitler to make some deals with the Zionists. He wanted Jews out, they wanted Jews out.. why not work together? But control?

Nah, you gotta look into the München Putsch and the participation of British nobility in things like Thule Society to find the roots..