Redpill me on what's happening in Italy right now with its referendum

Redpill me on what's happening in Italy right now with its referendum.

I've heard it could lead to its own Italiexit. Is it possible?

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You might want to hope so to stop the hordes.

Isnt the referendum about something entirely unimportant?

funny the french media are doing a total blackout on this. never heard about any referendum in italy

>Italiexit
>Not Italeave

NWO shill Matteo Renzi can't get any of his globalist policies passed in the senate.

So, he held a referendum to make constitutional reforms.

From The Economist:
Under the proposed reform, the 315-member upper house would be replaced by a smaller one, made up of five senators appointed by the president and 95 chosen from among the country’s regional councillors and mayors by regional assemblies. Ex-presidents would also sit in the upper house. The remodelled chamber could suggest changes to legislation approved in the lower house, but only block a small number of mostly constitutional bills.

If the NO vote wins, Matteo Renzi will step down.

This will make it easier for a populist to win in the next election. Sadly, the big populist movement in Italy is left leaning like Greece (Five Star Movement)

Yeah, constitution isn't that important...
>not just exIT

I thought the Five Star movement wanted to leave to EU though

They do. Italy is the favourite to leave the EU next but their election is in 2018.

A FUCKING LEAVE

Even if no wins Renzi wont leave.

iExit

yeah, he is. he said he'll move to Canada.

I wish.He already said he wont leave even if he lose cause he doesnt want the chaos it would happen with him leaving.

They said they wanted to make a referendum about leaving the EU

>USCITA

They are gate keepers. They pretend to be anti-EU but then espouse everything the EU puts forth, ideologically and more practically on political and economical policies.
You can bet your ass if they were in power they would be the biggest eu-cucks in all of Europe.

not italian here. my girlfriend voted via proxy NO, and told me it was like voting for trump in a way (I voted for trump in the US).

so if No wins, constitution remains same, political shitshow as always?

how does italy stop the migrants coming in

Luigi what the fuck? Pasta, macaroni, ketchup and pope. No time to be whiny. Place remote controlled guns at your borders. Not so hard after all.

What about Turkey? Do we have to invade it and kill everyone because their threats about letting the refugees free? I do like kebab with french fries though, very tasty.

daily reminder: italians are NOT white.

>Trying to make sense of Italian politics
Good fucking luck.
Being an Italian historian must be the hardest job in the world

Renzi was pro hillary, so voting yes is probably not a good idea

>Trudeau
>Boss
Keks in Canadian

don't get me started

we need italy to stop taking so many migrants. how do we turn the populist movement to lega nord or the like? why is the generation of young people such socialist assholes?

we don't really have that many socialists, also, voting NO is a start

EU is forcing their immigrant policies on all countries, don't really know what our current government is going to do, so we'll just have to vote for that one party against immigration and wait for the EU to finally collapse on itself

which is lega nord at the moment, i can't believe that i'm going to vote for fucking lega nord, so many things have changed

it just seems like the youth have romanticised this communism history (cuz their parents fought for it back when it was cool), now these pseudo intellectuals studying bullshit degrees at sapienza (part time obvs) think that anything and anyone that is not left is a 'deficent' and 'facista'

PS i live with my italian gf

Isn't the Mafia hunting the migrants in the South?

ah, i know what you mean, she does have a point, but not everyone is a manchild here, there are many who are starting to "wake up", mostly the new generations
and i really don't care if they call me fascist, it's hardly an insult when you're one.

migrants have 'taken on' the mafia, apparently

it's a shame mostly because on an indivual level, people prob agree, but its just this facade of saying the 'correct' thing wiht ur friends, lest you be outcasted

There is also Casapound, but I guess the most popular party is Lega
Hope Berlusconi can reunite the center-right

>Play CKII
>Play Venice
>Read a bit about it on the wiki
>mfw the politics of a single city are more complicated than the entire French Kingdom at the time
EU subsidies, Erasmus and all tend to make people that were born after the EU was implemented (1993) as not that much of a problem.
Also they aren't that much involved with migrants in the first place, but they're the ones asking for more money for them.
It's funny how people are quick to insult the US about being a ruthless capitalist state that doesn't give any paid vacation but it was fascism that introduced it in Italy.

usually once somebody "comes out" as politically incorrect people stop doing it and speak their minds, at least that's my experience so far

i'd love to vote for Casa Pound, but it's pretty much useless these days.
i wish that Il Cavaliere could, but he doesn't look like the man he used to be

This is something that doesn't make the news anymore: an entire neighborhood in Turin occupied by migrants, now revolting in retaliation to some firecracker exploded near "their" buildings by the "racist italians" who "called them monkeys".

The article is in italian but there's videos: lastampa.it/2016/11/25/cronaca/bombe-carta-e-guerriglia-a-torino-il-prefetto-chiede-aiuto-allesercito-XKe2dNlW1EjbL4wnqUkJlN/pagina.html

one can only hope, this constitutional reform is fucking crazy, what is the situatoin on the ground? how is it looking

Smart people vote "yes".

you said it, no vacations!
that's blasphemy!
also
>not forming your own zoroastrian merchant republic in the indian sea and having 10000 ports on the silk road due to concubine abuse

we have a large NO majority so far

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE when this bullshits will end, they were caught on tape that migrants are better than drugs.

The "mafia" (they're calabresi 'ndranghetani, anyway) makes big bucks out of immigrants. Whores in particular from Nigeria and other subsaharan shitholes make good profit.
In fact they cooperate to import even more immigrants here.

Mafiosi, terrorists, narcos, all the same scum. All should be put to death, like Rodrigo Duterte does or our Duce Mussolini did.

How could I forget?

>Once upon a time on the peninsula of italy there were a bunch of city-states
>then one city-state united italy and went on to become the greatest country in history
>then it collapsed and italy become a bunch of city-states again
>then italy united again but this time it sucked
Not that complicated.

Cause here there are faggots who spend more time taking coffee than working during working hours. It is not rare to see police cars stopping in front of some bar for one hour or two cause they are busy talking and taking coffee just to make an exemple.

that's the biggest oversemplification i've ever seen, try studying italy of the comuni or the repubbliche marinare, or even just the unification.
or the fucking start of the 20th century.
it all makes your 2016 election look like child play

there's been like 60 something governments since the end of WW II... why so complicated?

because italian people just can't help discussing politics, criticising, hassling, just spewing views im guessing, but NOW there is a real fucking threat, and yall need to band together as italians and fight this off

i dont know what scares me more, YES winning or Lega Nord / 5 star movement winning the elections

Both are equally scary and would literally destroy our country.

It'll be fun your North region segregate from the south.

Where is the Dvce when you need him...

But that's wrong, there wren't 60 government elections since WWII.

Having a PD government by itself is already the worst nightmare you can have, if yes wins they will also have more powers to destroy the country

>Quitaly

>not Italet'sago!
>Seeyouleeta
>leavetheEUtakethecannolITA

It's scarier to think about PD winning the elections in May if the YES wins

we dont have that many choices, do we? i should start a political party

Just bring something in FUCKING LATIN. It'll sound cool.

says there were 64 governments since WW II

rogerdarlington.me.uk/Italianpoliticalsystem.html

This is Italy's 64th government since the Second World War.

it's a miracle it a government lasts 2 years

we should, yeah

The only way for Italy to stop the hordes is to shoot the boats.

if*

We already have some minor right wing parties, it's just that nobody votes for them

I will vote "no" just to bother liberal faggots on social networks

good bait 10/10

why would liberals vote yes?
only democratic socialists would vote no

A better way would be to actually have the power to enforce Lybian's border, since they don't actively do that themselves. Italy would be in every right to actually send troops and secure the coast line.
Sadly the EU won't do that and blame Italy when thousands drown in the sea.

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ACHTUNG ACHTUNG MY FELLOW ITALIANS, AN IMPORTANT MESSAGE FROM A COUNTRYMAN ABROAD

DON'T FALL FOR THE JEWISH TRICKS

>GO AND VOTE

DON'T FALL FOR THE AHAH "NO" IS ALREADY WINNING IN THE POLLS I CAN STAY AT HOME

>GO AND FUCKING VOTE

maybe there were more in teh same year? im not sure bro, im not saying you're wrong, i am just saying its common knowledge (apparently) that yal have had more than 60 governments

The rightwing populist choice would be Matteo "leggi razziali per i meridionali" Salvini.

The cinque stelle are mental, they used to have free nation wide wifi as a goal, then their female major (forgot which one, either Rome's or Turin's) said she's going to remove any wifi because it causes cancer, as well as implement veganism (which isn't exactly popular in italy, and less healthy than mediterranean diet anyway) and other such tinfoilhat shit. They only exist out of distrust for the main two parties, but are worse than either, truly the worst kind of populism.

>100181973

5 stars?
more like
5 fags

don't worry, we're all voting

We should do what we did when we had all those albanians immigrating here, that worked perfectly ffs

because "uhhg europeee, globalization, welcome refugees".

Do you remember facebook after the brexit?

They want change, user, CHANGE

why spreading lies about M5S?
it's not like you could get paid

Socialist in italy has a different meaning, our socialist party turned out to be ultra corrupt and fathered Berlusconi.
Old school italian leftists identify directly with gramsci and marx, with the soviets if they are truly hardcore/delusional.

>truly the worst kind of populism

Isn't that sad? Two milllenia ago, the populists were The Gracchis and Ceasar.

Hopefully the Mafia will kill them all c'mon based Italy shoot those sand niggers.

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Italian politics are very complicated, stupid and messed up. Voting yes in principle is the right decision as the reform would change the utterly impractible "bicameralismo perfetto" system which renders law- and decisionmaking almost impossible.

On the other hand voting yes is a vote for the liberal faggot Renzi. I'm still very undecided who is worse, the buffoon president who at least tries to do some kind of reform or the retarded lefty populists from the 5 star movement.

I like to post with an Italian flag
Better then my usual german one

>as well as implement veganism (which isn't exactly popular in italy, and less healthy than mediterranean diet anyway)

Memes, more than a third of all children aged 5-17 in greece and italy are overweight or obese, top 2 countries in the world with higher figures than mexico or united states.

oecd.org/health/Obesity-Update-2014.pdf
page 4

I blame american media.

Italians, briefly what actual changes would a yes vote cause? its constitutional reform right? but what exact changes

and I'm guessing a no vote is considered anti-establishment

Bicameralism is good, the bad thing about italian politics are the politicians

>Matteo "leggi razziali per i meridionali" Salvini.
Fucking kek but he looks a moroccan hash dealer himself

It really is just Mussolini, Democristiani, Berlusconi, present day

PADANI CELTI PURI

Such as? They are literally unknown over here, people i know either hate every politician m5s included either vote m5s.

Italy sending troops to Lybia? Oy vey it's like another IMPERO!

>I blame american media.

I blame the media for everything seriously they brainwashed most of the world.

I would rather try a M5S government than having 5 more years of Partito Cuckocratico enancing every single EU diktat while pretending to be angry about it on some shitty tv political talk.

it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missione_Alba

Including you thinking that italian organized crime is some kind of romanticized gentlemen criminals and not just people looking for money.

See I literally cringe everytime.

According to your link Italian adults are the third fittest in Europe, our children will hopefully slim down as the grow up.
It's very sad news and if anything it confirms that as the population abandons traditional foods in favour of imported usa junk like they see on tv they also change from god-like to mexico tier.

ITALbros

not italian here, but dating an italiana. if we get married, is it degenerate that i want to name a potential daughter valentina (cuz i find the name awesome, but my only exposure to it has been from valentina nappi)

Here he's actually delivering a nice fat piece of hash hidden by the handshake.
Besides everyone knows the celt is europe's negro.