What's so bad about Communism, exactly?

What's so bad about Communism, exactly?

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It doesn't work

Jusst like your mom

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Why work when you cant pick the fruit of your labour?

What's so good about Communism, exactly?

what if his moms does work tho?

>Kill tons of your own people
>Make everyone equally poor

this video can explain.
youtube.com/watch?v=dOP0HQUTSo0
15 minutes about the berlin wall. i almost cried.

and how many died during capitalism?

But Socialism has worked fine before Capitalists panicked and shut them down by brute force to avoid losing their power.

>ebin trolz

Sucking dick for recreation isn't classified as "work".

>but Socialism worked just fine before Capitalists refused to trade with them

>communists
>not 100% brainwashed by jews

is there anything more embarrassing than being a communist in 2016?

communism is trying to enforce fairy tale rules on real life, and when it doesn't work, just kill everyone

fuck communism and fuck bolshevik people

It gives too much power to a bunch of unaccountable, extremely powerful people and reduces the power of ones that are perfectly accountable and only as strong as they're allowed to be.

It disincentivizes production in that when you're going to get taxed to (((contribute to society))) you will not work as hard, after all why get good grades when those grades are going to get taxed anyway?

Worst of all, it ruins communities, you wouldn't depend on your local community when you have the government to help you, which is why divorce rates in Iberia and Greece are now at 60-70 something %, and there is no reason to have "friends with benefits" when all the benefits are from the government.

Worst of all, it's impossible to remove.

>i am not brainwashed by the jews
>supports capitalism

>gives too much power
A communist society is characterized by common ownership of the means of production with free access[1][2] to the articles of consumption and is classless and stateless CLASSLES STATELESS

>you're going to get taxed to
wellfare state =/= comunism
NO taxes in communist . You own what you produce OR the community as a whole own what it produces

>Worst of all, it ruins communities,
its called COMMUNISM it based on comunnity
>you wouldn't depend on your local community
its based on being dependent on others i produce something you produce we both share
mutual aid

>Worst of all, it's impossible to remove.
the end goal is to be stateless so it hard to achieve
so some leftist ideology believe there to be a temporary state to transition into the end goal
ends justify the means --> Marxist Leninist

Turns human in to slaves.

Everything is bad about it. Also, sounds good only on paper, in reality you know what happened.

We lost the way of the Byzantium in ussr :( in this time the Jews controld us )but now us Russian we back and we are the new Rome empire now and we follow the real orthodox history of the world Rome is dead Rome died whan your imperator catuloxan the first Dias this is was the end of Rome and the start of your fake cotolic way with Turks whan satan came in to power the west are the problem for the east of the of the vyzantium empire (Russian ukraina Belarusian Greeks Serbs Bulgarian Armenians )

West are the problem and the Kay to make this world greet if we follow the real way of jesus (he want every thing to be free thets why the Jews hate him he did a new believe but the Jews want Evrey one to pay for Everey thing )

Vyzantina are the mother of Russia and all East Slavs

that is capitalism

Literally everything

>Classless
Impossible to do, IQ is a bell curve and some people naturally perform better, and worse, than average.

Otherwise, stateless societies where citizens are emphasized and governments aren't are capitalist societies.

just because it failed once does not mean we cry like babies and kill ourselves

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also, a good rule of thumb is that any sort of government system that promises utopia is bullshit

you can have just socialism
where you are rewarded based on contribution

I think communism can only happen when we get full automation where basicly its 0 labor to produce something, the only limit in natural resources

Do you Remember Via Dolorosa ?? It was all real it's In old Jerusalem Jesus grave is there to ??

i dont trust normal government too , its just porky with a mask

if you ask feudal peasant if they think they could have the freedom we have today they will think its utopia too

goes against human nature therefore it treats its subjects in subhuman oppressive draconian fashion, violates personal property, bureaucratizes everything and gives too much power to the decision-making cadres thereby making them the corrupt uberclass, redistributes one's hard work to some lazy piece of shit while making it impossible to rise without political cocksucking, free enterprise is dead because profit means exploitation and central planning rules until it inevitably collapses

go back to plebbit

>false equivalency

All you do with communism is swap one form of elites with another since they are by their nature just closeted aristocrats who wanted to be the new elites by promising peasants paradise.

Also the fact that literally every attempt at it has failed should signal something inside the heads of the average leftypol shitposter. Inb4 bringing up some literally who irrelevant commune that lasted for 5 months as some example of how great it is.

Fuck you we follow the vizantium orthodox way not your wast prapaganda you don't know shit about our histria close your usta or I will break it to you fucking wasterner scum your are the problem

>against human nature
if you think someone taking your surplus value is aligned with human nature you are a
classcuck

>USSR is shit
i agree ussr went to shit cuz of many thing
communism is hard to implement when your population is just some ex-feudal peasant who had never seen a factory before and the whole porky world is againstt you and your heir(STALIN) is power hungry and more right wing than Sup Forums

he has a point thought communism is almost purely a jewish invention
but you are correct that one can be so brainwashed by consumerism that they believe unbridled capitalism is a "good thing"

All profit is surplus value but nobody says that workers get no profit from working.

It only works in small communes, where people can see colective as a whole (like tribes or small towns) and can see that if they don't work for their commune, people dear to them may suffer. You can't apply this to bigger entities like sates or nations, because who gives a shit about dued that lives 300km away from me.
That's only tip of the iceberg of problems with communism.

The state is just a tool.The end goal of all leftist is to remove it

The same way USA today has the potential to turn tyranical, every state can do that .But if the population is armed and educated the state well serve them.

Also anarchist think that the state should not be used to achieve the end goal.But it hard when the rest of the world is capitalist.

same us in old kotulaxam imperator Rome

Long live vyzantina long live Konstantin son of junistin the one the give to Russian this believe and we from pagan become orthodox we ware never west whan the west is ending our empire starting

I spit on the west the devil is there the antixrist is there to fuck the west

sage

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A "random" pastebin that went up and then two minutes later you linked it here? hmmmm amazing how you randomly came across that.

>The state is just a tool.The end goal of all leftist is to remove it
So you'll end up with what? Anarchy? Tribalism?

It refuses to accept the rules of this Earth that God gave us.
Hierarchy is good, not bad, and they have a blind faith that all humans can be "good", even though they don't even believe in good or bad because they're atheist, so it's all about power at the end of the day.

>The state is just a tool.The end goal of all leftist is to remove it

No, the end goal is for them to replace the government and then use it as a tool to brutally enforce their ways. And they use Orwellian word and thought policing to convince everyone its something completely different from a brutally oppressive police state by calling it something nice sounding or whatever.

Marx, Engels, Lenin, Castro, Kim ect were all very rich elites and the fact that Marx was only able to stay afloat by conning Engles out of his rich industria fathers money is so hilarious hypocritical that most commieboos just completely ignore that fact

The state can't serve them better than their private counterpart except for things that private enterprise cannot do, they're unaccountable, use other people's money, and have no obligation.

That, and if they were accountable and etc, they would literally just be the private sector where you actually have to willingly pay for something if you want it which is basically the final test of quality and it would be redundant to have it.

>And they use Orwellian word and thought policing

Fun fact: 1984 was based on Stalin's USSR. Pretty much most of the ideas in the book like double-think, spying non-stop on everyone, changing facts with no one bating an eye on it, etc were actually in use in USSR.

Its impossible to achieve. Genuine communism means no state, and it cannot defend itself against external threats. And when you build "socialism" with huge army and thought police and economic police, you can be sure that people in charge aren't just going to say "well, objective achieved, time to dissolve regime and become just average citizens".

IT works under the assumption that humans aren't actually humans but are ants.

It's fascism but instead of scapegoating a race they scapegoat the wealthy, and they have an even stupider economic system.

raw goods 20$
worker + machine do something = finished product 50$
worker did all the work that raised the value of the product by 30$
worker gets paid 10$
porky gets the 40$ left

Before you say but porky provided machine which cost money to get and allow such good production.
Ask where did porky get the money he previously had?
1-Born rich(which means his parent did 2(see down))
2-Small scale entrepreneurship(the same exploitation see above but smaller scale)
3-Hard work(which mean he HIMSELF had to be exploited by some other PORKY(which doesnt justify exploitation)

Everyone is equally poor.
Food and living essentials shortages.
Stagnation.
Etc.

>Worker leaves to competitor that pays better
>Porky gets exactly 0.000000$ forever

It's a
>ideology that works only if you brainwash every human being on the planet to said ideology
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>What's so bad about Communism, exactly?

1- It requires a Christian leader that truely doesn't care about money and a team of leaders that simply cannot be corrupted (true Christians that live by the bible)

2-Physically ugly / short men don't like communism because in such a system, your only "value" is your physical beauty and social skills. Those types of men will therefore not be able to get rich and therefore increase their chance of reproducing.

This is it.
Communism is a perfect system on paper. Nobody's homeless, nobody robs you. You don't have to work 40-80 hours a week. Besides, most people don't even like joba in our current system. They only care about how much it pays

Thats the dangers of the state
BTW George Orwell is a leftist, liberterian socialist so i agree with him.
I hate the USSR cuz it fucked up the image of the left and now.
socialism = welfare state , state capitalism,colectivism

or some libfags SJW who think they are leftist but the support capitalism and againts free speech and guns

and none of these were sustained

libertarian paradise will come when technology empowers the individual to be totally self-sufficient i.e. not reliant on state and quasi-state monopolies while choosing the few services one needs as a customer on the totally free market cf. today's user (healthcare, pension, education etc); user=piece of shit, a part of some monopolistic state-run program one cannot opt out of, customer=king
so far we have unconstrained proliferation of information, distributed power generation/renewables that's getting inexpensive and an abundance of materials; we are only lacking in nanotech to tie it all together

>worker did all the work that raised the value of the product by 30$
this must be the same heroic ubermensch worker that developed and engineered the product, made it legally compliant with any possible regulations in place, made the production line happen, gathered the capital to start it all, marketed it, shipped and distributed it etc, right?
workers will always be in their place because they tend to not take extraordinary risks so they shouldn't expect extraordinary payoffs

It was after Russian empire :( in this time we lost all our believe we stop follow the orthodox way thets what killed my pepole

But now we back us the new Rome empire and we strong us fuck we follow the old way of vizantium and I hoph this time it will be forever we will crash the west and all of you soon westerner scums

Italia you had it to all this lands look at you now a litel shit place you lost all your power all the great Rome historia his dead just becoz you stoped believing in the real believe the old Rome believe the orthodox why to serv the historia of this world not Jews :) lol I spit on you west are the problem and east and west will never be friends you forget you on historia :(

Reminder that the ONLY place a communist revolution has succeeded (worked as described by Marx) is Somalia.

It will never work as long as humans remain human. Which is a shame, since it's utopian on paper.

Fuck you Somalia is great. It's like a big fucking videogame and you're just jelly

It's a form of government which is so bad they had to build fences and WALLS. Their were not to keep people from entering (litterally 0 western armchair commie settled in worker's paradise "for some reason") but to keep their population from fleeing away.
What else has walls which are designated to move out?
PRISONS.
Communist countries are prison-states.

What's more if commies had to devise cultural marxism to destroy non-commie countries, it's because people don't want communism in the first place. It seems the population is made of shitlords who enjoy not having to spend 4 hours in a line to buy a loaf of bread, and having access to cars, tv, washing machine and the sort.
Now go peddle your shit elsewhere.
Aim for angsty under-ages and full-blown tards.

No matter what competiton
The worker risk starvation and has more to lose when porky can just hire some immigrant.

The fact that there is unemployment means that there is deficit of jobs.

No matter what company the must be atleast some stolen value for the it to make profit even in perfect capitalism 1% will be taken

Capitalism punishes productivity.
We can literally feed the entire planet with just a small percentage of the population, but there is hunger because for someone to eat he must serve porky to even do some made up bullshit job.

By this contradiction communism is inevitable
because when FULL AUTOMATION comes.
In order a business to be competitive on the market it must use automation, using worker is more expensive its literaly a cost.
But with no employment there is no one to buy goods, so rotation of money stops and:
Pick one:
-Revert back to ineficient roduction
-We think of something else to trade. We all become prostitutes.
-ALL workers die from starvation .Which leaves only porkies alive who then just share between themselves and Space Communism achieved
-Workers revolt cuz they either die and Space communism achieved

How das it feel to lost all your ways to Jews ?? And all your power now are in the east (Russian vyzantium empire :) ??

Italian cotolic fag

because external CAPITALIST threat

I am not a Jew or a Zionist but I appreciate the need to protect Israel. Thank God for the alliance of our two great nations. Thank God that Trump stands with Israel.

I pray that the Jewish state will endure. I pray that you will defeat the disgusting Muslim and Nazi anti semites.

The Nazis and the Muslims will join together to destroy the Jewish state. I would shed my blood to stop them. Praise Christ.

Gotta love when commietards open their mouth (for something else than cocks).
>Capitalism punish productivity
every commie country was BTFO by capitalist production rate.
>feed the entire planet
commie countries had difficulties feeding their own populations, let alone "the entire planet".
What's more there is way too many people.
Enjoy phosphorus peak, shortage fertilizer, and the ensueing arbitration between soil sterilization and exterminating large swath of the population. Coming 2033.
>FULL AUTOMATARDATION
HURR I WON'T HAVE TO WORK AND I WILL FINALLY NOT BE LOOKED AS A TOTAL SUBHUMAN.
I got bad news for you, it's the moment when your ass become 100% obsolete.

The Eternal un-ending and shameless stupidity of commies knows no bound. When the gov't want to fuck you, it fucks you and you say thanks. See: North Korea, where people ended up eating one another rather than try to defy "porky". You're actually worst than a fucking commie, you're an anarcho-commie. Eat shit.

Less

You wasterner stupid fuck i am a Slav I don't gives a fuck about Jews I am orthodox I serv the Byzantium empire and the real historia of this world now it's Russian empire I hoph we will crash you soon

le ebin
That's the point of socialism.
>muh 100 billion trillion
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shut up kike

If the business owner hired immigrants the costs of those products would go down and they would get passed onto the consumer or used to build more factories and hire more people and etc, and when people have more money they donate more money, paying people less is bad for whoever is working temporarily, good for all of society.

And no, unemployment is a government program, if taxes were lowered to 10% in a country and regulations were removed unemployment would immediately vanish from that country, it wouldn't even take a year.

Also, you can't feed the whole world with just the money the 1% has because if you did, it would disincentivize those 1% to work hard enough to get it, you could give everyone a meal for a day, a week, or etc but businesses would close down and after that week everyone would become poor probably forever.

And the capitalist WORKS. This is what commies never seem to get, they think all money capitalists get is theft. The capitalist still has to create the initial product, set its price, build the factories, put in hundreds of hours of unpaid labor, choose which tools to upgrade, etc. If mental work or organization or logistics or etc wasn't worth money, every lawyer, politician, shopkeeper, truck driver, and the rest would never be worth a dime.

You are the problem you need to be removed

The wast is the key to all the problems of this world kill the west Evrey thing will be free the Jews will die

It failed.

GET THE FUCK IN THERE NOW
WE NEED MEME MAGIC NOW MORE THAN EVER
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Apparently "real communism" has never been tried according to hipster fuckheads. "Real" communism/marxism/socialism will only ever work for Smurfs.

Classes don't form from a bell curve of intelligence. A quick look at the "intelligentsia" will tell you that.
>incentivizes mediocrity
That's a meme. Capitalism incentivizes being an ass as long as it fits within the doctrine of the Holy Free Market.
>elitist
Many socialists are anti-Leninist and strongly opposed to the concept of a vanguard party.
>caps the successful
That's definitely not true. That's a straw man definition of socialism or communism.
>contradicts modern economics
Except for the part where Marx borrowed a lot of his ideas from Smith and is considered a founding father of modern sociology and economics.
>targets altruistic people's will to act for good rather than sense of reason
As opposed to "rational" capitalism, which targets people's base desires, crudest instincts, and ruthless lack of morality? Altruism and empathy aren't separate from reason.

Based Russian

Orthodox above all to serv the time in the historia of the world thets the way of the old Rome empire before the take over by the Germans and there king Carl he will always will be rememberd us a trietor to vyzantium believe not empiratur and fuck your papa rimski fake pedofile mother fucker

Reminder.

It doesn't work?

Religious jew? Ethnical jew? Whatever-the-fuck jew?
NOBODY CARES.
A jew is a jew, no distinction, EVER, and the jew has no say into pretending it is not a jew.
In all the cases, since it's a jew, it's guilty and in the oven it must go.

>developed and engineered the product
guess who does that?not porky most of the time
>made it legally compliant with any possible regulations in place
being an ethical human and not selling shit that kills you
>made the production line happen
then he should be rewarded just for doing that and not own all that produced and not own all that is produce.
If i setup a cotton plantation does that justify slavery?
>gathered the capital to start it all
see the post i made that you are replying to
>marketed it
there would be no marketing in comunism
>shipped
guess who shipped it
>distributed it
i am not saying management has no value but its not 1 trilion
And OWner =/= manager

> class consciousness
> 2016
Jesus, I'm kind of left and pro-commie myself, but whenever I hear 19-century Marxism I just can't help but wonder how its even possible to be so oblivious about outside world?

Just about everything.

Such good point I love North Korea
also go suck porkies dick if you think he is god

Nothing except its practice. People lose motivation to work hard and instead of everything being shared the people in power just take everything

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you piece of shit commie idiot, this is why Bulgaria is going down the sewer. Idiots like you ruined it for us and made us run away.

The only commies I ever met (ie on the other side of the tonfa) were kids from upper class background trying to pretend they had some sort of struggle in their lives to have some excitement. Probably neurotic from upperclass upbringing and bullied for being awkward in school, they just try to emulate what they consider as "alpha"/scary. It's a sort of tough guy attitude. Complete fucktards, and I've seen some union grown-ass men in manifestions actually dispatching the little shits before we had the opportunity to do it ourselves.
I felt sad and deprived of my fun, and I kinda wondered during that moment if it was what cucks were feeling when they saw what they should be fucking themselves get fucked by someone else.

youtube.com/watch?v=YmHBJUMStVM

Communism in action in based Ukraine.
watch from 6;20

go live there then, you won't have to read meanies like us over there, since no internet.
Maybe you'll blend in aswell, I heard it's Manlet: The country.

That what happen here isnt muh real socialism and i do not support it.But to think capitalism has no problems is naive.
Also why you run away it is capitalist now?
I though its perfect.

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If you honestly believe communism works then you really are just a retarded fucking millennial who shits their diaper when someone points out the fact that there has literally never been a communist country in which the citizens didn't want to get the fuck out.

I will try to become kill that bastard and become dictator myself

>The capitalist still has to create the initial product, set its price, build the factories, put in hundreds of hours of unpaid labor, choose which tools to upgrade, etc
What about faggots that speculate on money/oil/houses w/o producing anything themselves, get profits from thin air and when they fuck up another economic bubble we all have to pay?

Still not an argument.
Capitalism fuck-ups stem from lack or excess of proper regulations (depending on economical cycle and other criterions).
Communism, for its part, is shit from start to finish, and no amount of regulation or deregulation can fix it, because humans need incentive to work. (if you don't, I have plenty of work for you).

BUT THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM!

IT'LL DEFINITELY WORK THIS TIME

yeah you can thank central bankers for pricing money too low, for starters.

actually, for starters, let's eliminate the fed

reminder that technological advancement will make communism viable
reminder that capitalists are the cucks digging their own grave

just like Communism. exactly