Civic Nationalism >>> Race based nationalism

Hear me out Sup Forums, Culture is extremely hard to change, but soon genetics won't be. Due to rapid increases in molecular biology and genetic, we are likely only a few decades away from genetic engineering so race will be less important than culture. So can we stop obsessing about white nationalism?

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White nationalism is retarded, ethno nationalism isn't

Why should we care about other races? Lol, why this positive push? I see no reason, just remove them and life your life.

Jesus you dumb cucks with your obession with nigger pets.

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Not everyone wants and needs nigger/mudslime/jew pets and cares about them. Why dont we send you nigger pet lovers with the niggers to their nations where you can live out your nigger petdom.

also sage

"Civic nationalism" makes the mistake of confusing state with nation, they are not the same and getting this wrong has serious consequences. A "civic nationalist" is just a statist, there is no way to be a nationalist who does not swear by their nation, but instead swears by the institutions by which the nation (or nations) is/are governed. You are swearing yourself to the law but not the reason for the law's existence, you are swearing yourself to the president but not the people who he represents.

A nationalist is embedded into the fabric of hist nation - his people. A nationalist is not the same as a statist, a nationalist fights the state when it does not serve the interests of his nation. A statist does the opposite, he supports the state even when the state does not serve the nation which he is a part of, he is nothing more than a traitor.

"Civic nationalists" are only committing the same sins as the political elite who currently exist, who choose to serve the system rather than the people the system is meant to represent.

>Civic Nationalism >>> Race based nationalism
Didn't read the rest of what you wrote because you're retarded.

Whites are an ethnic group you dumb fuck, dont use words you dont understand wow...

Just be anti globalist and things will sort themselves out. It makes me wonder if the US ever had a problem with immigration in the 19th century or what caused the wave of immigrants into Europe.

fuck off with that shit.
Culture isn't born in a void, it is a by-product of race.
Race trumps everything.
You can recover from an economical collapse, a war, a plague, anything BUT your genepool getting contaminated by monkeys.
North africa is a testament to that.
Race-mixing promoter and their (((civic nationalism))) proxies need to be exterminated.
RACE UBER ALLES.

>Whites are an ethnic group
nope. Check genetic distance maps

>guys can you stop being white, god it's so uncouth

FUCK YOU

You're fucking retarded, a civic nationalist in the context of a country with a strong libertarian ethos is not going to be a statist. Learn to think.

I agree with OP 100%, civic nationalism is the only way forward for nationalism, not just because of the reality of genetic manipulation on a level we haven't seen before, but also because the West has mostly moved past racism, this is why fags like Richard Spencer and BLM are both ignored and laughed at by most Americans.

Our future is a blend of civic nationalism and socialism.

We're "obsessed" with not having to pay for other people's retarded ideas and life choices. That's it. Yeah, I would like to kill all niggers since they are a plague on this world, but why bother since they do that to themselves in societies where they have to compete.

Instead, we have all these politically correct assholes robbing us all at gunpoint to give our earnings to these niggers. If that didn't happen, it simply wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

Really? Where did "whites" originate and where do they predominantly live?

TRS FAGS LEAVE

REEEEEEEE

>a civic nationalist in the context of a country with a strong libertarian ethos is not going to be a statist
If libertarianism does not serve the nation adequately it must be quickly abandoned and replaced with something workable if you are to continue to call yourself a nationalist.

The difference between a statist and a nationalist is, as I have stated, that a statist will choose to side with a system over the needs of his nation. Even if that state is "libertarian" in essence, if it harms the nation, it needs to be changed, and anyone who continues to defend an unworkable or detrimental system ought to be labelled a traitor and treated as such.

I am not suggesting libertarianism is unworkable, but a nationalist can not call himself a libertarian at the same time, because there might be a time when libertarianism must be set aside for the sake of the nation.

why are slavic women so attractive?

Your future is shit then.
Anything which doesn't integrate race as a core value is made by and for cucks.
I'd like also for "bedroom wizard" terminology to fuck off.

Lmao anyone who isn't a racist is TRS. Fag.

cuck

Civic nationalists are just ethnic nationalists who havent been redpilled yet

There's no such thing as white you faggot.

Why is this being memed so hard lately?
Most people here aren't even white nationalists. Stormfags get told to fuck off here. Yall need to fuck off too.

wtf I love nonwhites now

Of course I agree that you can't just run a test on policies along the lines of "Does this increase liberty?" because then you'd devolve toward "anarchy" and thus a fractured, hurt nation. That being said, a nation defined by values is stronger than one defined by ethnicity. Some nations are, of course, strongly based on ethnicity, and in some cases this works to the benefit of the nation, as in some Asian countries. America isn't such a country, not at the moment anyway, and I think it will be stronger for it. That being said I do concede that it would be inappropriate to base nationalism on a single value at the expense of all other national interests.

Then prove it you fucking scumbag nigger tier sub human ape, SAY something worth a shit and back up your claims or BTFO

They are not, though. Plenty of them have been "redpilled" but have not come to understand that systems of government are only a means to an end, the end being the triumph of the nation. If a state is flawed, yet abides by these dogmatic "ideas" that a "civic nationalist" believes he ought to protect, he will betray the nation for the state and just become another ideologue.

A real nationalist can not be tied to any one particular idea or style of governance, he must do what works and only what works, he must be utterly pragmatic.

A nation lives or dies by its people. How do you police people who endorse a different culture secretly? Or worse, second and third generation immigrants who "discover" their roots and try to recreate their parent culture?

This is a messy situation however you try to cut it. The fact is although it's difficult to measure ethnicity, it's far easier to use ethnicity as a proxy for not only the culture of prospective immigrants but also their offspring.

Demography continues to be the blind spot of both libertarians and civic nationalists because if your demographics change, it is INEVITABLE that the culture will change too unless the change occurs across a very long time (centuries).

read of book stormweenie

Haha ok Jew.

The flaw in this argument is that plenty of white Americans pervert culture for the sake of feeding their egos and strengthening their "personal identity" rather than identifying as American. Look at how many faggot white's there are over on the West coast "discovering" their sexuality (eg forcing themselves to suck dick and mutilating their bodies) and "experimenting with their consciousness" (ie taking massive amounts of party drugs under the pretense of enlightenment). Cracking down on foreign culture is a good idea, of course, when we are allowing immigrants in, but cultural Marxism is much more dangerous imo, and more prevalent among the native population than the immigrants.

I agree, its all about balance of realism with ideology. The erosion of esprit de corps of our nation is the most troubling issue, and must be reversed. As Apartheid SA proved, even a white minority can stabilize a country so long as the rule of law and nationalism exist.

>civic nationalism
>So can we stop obsessing about white nationalism?
>see flag
A-ha! Ok America... Ok.

>I speak for pol

Seriously anyone that knows shit about Nat soc, or history for that matter, isn't a self identifying "stormnigger" but since I don't speak for anyone but my self, you can be sure that it isn't something that needs to be said, except in your case, where you think you get to pick and choose what gets discussed here. Everything gets discussed, it's an all inclusive shit storm, so FUCK OFF with your partisan faggotry.

>White
Meaningless term outside of census desu senpai

I suspect stopping public funding to education that is defacto leftist propaganda would be a good step to slowly reversing course in our nation.

White nationalism is about loyalty to people , Civic nationalism is about loyalty to a pile of dirt.

Compare with rest of humanity now for a hearty laugh.
>stormweenie
i read that this word came from some place filled with butthurt faggots, I can't even recall who they precisely were. Says a lot about their importance.

That's not a flaw in the argument, 'cultural marxism' is an aggravating factor that is currently being exploited by those who are cucking the west. The grim fact of demographic change is just as real either way.

This. The only nationalism in America could be American nationalism, with American defined as those with roots dating back to at least the late 18th to early 19th century, namely Anglo Saxon Protestant descent.

>muh info graphic that I can't back up with actual facts, statements, anecdotes, or links

Again, FUCK OFF NIGGER

Also
>le storm nogger blanket

Keep sucking that divide and conquer cock

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You can thanks some YouTuber named Styx for spreading cancer onto a mass of underage normies with /x/-tier proclivities.

>genetic engineering

For the FILTHY RICH, you idiot.

We are still not a unified ethnic group. I don't feel close to a Swede or a Greek.
>i read that this word came from some place filled with butthurt faggots
You weren't here when this board was libertarian then. Stormtards were heavily mocked, and not just by SRS faggots

I agree, ish. But that is why people must be willing to stand up to "blackness" and destroy the concept of evil "whiteness" by wearing it as a badge, instilling and then co-ordinating the values (that are closer to a well functioning culture and social norms) of what that means. There are a lot of people in those ghettos BECAUSE that is the "black" thing to do. They WANT to live like that because to not would be a betrayal of their "blackness". Not "urban" enough, etc.
All of the egotistical "community leaders" are the ones holding people back. Because if the people they handle for political parties benefit stray from their cultural influence... no more power for them.
Basically black people need to be more "white" and individualist or go "home" and accept the consequences of their tribalism.

Europe you dutch skunt

You made two statements, and no argument. Would you like to try again?

>we are likely only a few decades away from genetic engineering so race will be less important than culture

OP being an idiot again.

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Pretty much. It would still rid you of a good chunk of brownies
Kek, you sound mad. If you want another source look for "european genetic distance map on google". There's more than enough

Being open minded result in letting your brain fall to the ground.
On a larger social level, it allows for cultural-marxist subversive to spew their bile onto the masses, and then THEY will be the one clamping down on speech control.
Freespeech result in cucking for the progressives, invariably.
Never expect of the inferiors to stop from be devoured by enviosity and to act upon it.

Explain how cultural marxism disproves the effects of demographic change on a host nation, then we'll talk about what is and what isn't an argument.

>ethno nationalism
man yuropoors really are stupid fucking subhumans. it's going to be hilarious when the usa stops maintaining the peace in yurop. you savages can then go back to slaughtering your own neighbors like niggers

No. Because then anyone could be white

I'm not doing the work for you, if you don't have anything to abate the burden of proof you clearly laid, you should shut the fuck up and keep your head up your ass where it belongs.

Are you so easily swayed by some graphic that you think it's enough to just make claims you know are baseless?

You are truly an idiot.

cool story, but lolbertarian were grafted onto the nationist inclined "news".
Fucking hell, you can't even conceive a proper story.
Go choke on nigger dick, jewboi.

>We are still not a unified ethnic group. I don't feel close to a Swede or a Greek.

You need to spend more time with Somalis and Cantonese, then. Europeans have an immense shared cultural heritage, and denying this is just ignorant. We do also have a racial commonality, but this is usually something too subtle to immediately put a finger on. But it IS there. That said, OP is sort of right, in so far as civic nationalism is often pragmatically more useful at the present moment in time.

amazon is already delivering packages by drone and you can shop from the comfort of your home by using the internet. i don't get this pic

Says the American.

Go ahead and read my response, jackass. I specifically stated that 1. Cultural marxism is a problem and 2. Immigrant cultures are a problem.

>Pretty much. It would still rid you of a good chunk of brownies

Exactly. It wouldn't work unless black Americans got a chunk of land, not to mention Latino Americans, Arab Americans, and a bunch of other people Sup Forums wouldn't consider white. Here, assimilating to the culture would be good enough, or allowing freedom of association to the point where defacto nations are already created within the country. But that would only happen in a minarchist or ancap society.

>when the usa stops maintaining the peace in yurop
Bosnia
Kosovo
Georgia
The Ukraine

Fuck off.

You're too stup... I mean... American to understand it.

Estadounidenses poniéndose como ejemplo de paz. Hay que reconocer que aunque estúpidos, estos tipos al menos son graciosos.

My ethnicity is Flemish not white you idiot. White has no historic meaning. It's just an American meme.

There's literally a fuckload of links. You arejust lazy

brilliantmaps.com/the-genetic-map-of-europe/

blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2008/08/genetic-map-of-europe-genes-vary-as-a-function-of-distance/

rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1756/20123065

Start with these. If you need more look for them

News was nuked because of a hated and loud minority of stormtards. You seem to be new here
I have nothing to do with Somalis and Cantonese, even less so than other Europeans.
>Europeans have an immense shared cultural heritage, and denying this is just ignorant
I'm not denying that. But white nationalism is based on an imaginary white race, not the similarities in our cultures.
>civic nationalism is often pragmatically more useful at the present moment in time.
It's unsustainable though. An culture and thus a common set of rules stem directly from an ethinc group. Put many ethnic groups together and you just create a mess

>The Flemish or Flemings (Dutch: Vlamingen) are a Germanic ethnic group, who speak Dutch.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flemish_people

2 seconds on google yurocuck

>Says the siestanigger

civic nationalism is obv. superior, it costs you nothing and race really shouldn't be the priority, the left already won that war by calling everyone racist.
You need to hit them where they're still struggling and that's culture. When Europeans complain about immigration, we complain about their lack of effort to assimilate and integrate, not about the colour of their skin.

Civic nationalism is European nationalism for the future.
America already went through that and realised it was bit shit, so they're now regressing back to ethnic nationalism.

Which is fine, all nationalisms should be tolerated.

>America already went through that and realised it was bit shit, so they're now regressing back to ethnic nationalism.
Doesn't this disprove the validity of civic nationalism?

>Ethno-Nationalist Capitalism.
>Christian Fundamentalism.
>Only Cis Straight White Christian Male Leaders.
>Traditional Gender Roles and Sexual Norms.
>Against Globalism, Paganism, Judaism, Atheism, Islam, Freemasonry, Jesuits, Catholicism, Illuminati, and Degeneracy

desu

> genetic engineering becomes a reality

> everyone who can afford it has white babies except jews who want black ones

The basic premise of what you are saying is the white race is imaginary.

So then are you implying that all other races are imaginary - that race is some kind of social construct?

What I meant was they havent yet learned that some races are genetically inferior and no amount of integration will change that

It was still needed at that point in history, in that specific place. Nothing is valid nor invalid forever, my friend.

sorry, forgot enticing picture.