The weak and unsustainable are weeded out... the strong survive.
"Modern Civilization" is a mad made construct and is therefore ultimately flawed and irreparable... systems built to keep the unviable alive and consuming precious resources...
Humanity is transient and ultimately won't survive. The best we can hope for is a reboot to simpler way of life in complete balance with and completely beholden to the natural universe.
Prove me wrong.
TL;DR technology and government are the bane of humanity
It's way up there. Autarky isn't only ideal for governments and the further you get towards that goal the better.
Hudson Cruz
I've basically lived off grid in a desolate town of 200 people, 3 hours away from the nearest mall.
I lived like that for 20 years. I'm not sure how "redpilled" it is. It's kind of just...nothing. A lot of nothing.
You live every day in silent nature, usually smoking/drinking/shooting/hiking/fishing/blowing shit up with some friends after work. You aren't really a part of society. You aren't participating. You aren't fighting the culture war. You're just in your own little bubble.
It has it's pros and cons. I think OVERALL, I like living in the city more. But I am a performing musician (You write and practice a lot when living off the grid), so I like that a lot.
Julian Martinez
>Is off-grid living the ultimate red-pill? Yes, and here's a simple logical argument to prove why.
It's like Pascal's wager but better. Either global, high-technology civilization continues indefinitely, forever uninterrupted into the future, or it doesn't. If it doesn't, even if it's only a brief interruption, the *literal* survival of the human race depends on retaining pre-technological survival skills in *some* capacity.
tl;dr if you don't learn survival skills you're betting on technology never regressing in your lifetime
Adam Diaz
>You live every day in silent nature, usually smoking/drinking/shooting/hiking/fishing/blowing shit up with some friends after work. You aren't really a part of society. You aren't participating. You aren't fighting the culture war. You're just in your own little bubble. How is this not literally perfect?
>tfw from a shit country where you can't do half of that and everyone outside of cities is poor and terrible :(
Charles Foster
living off the grid is impossible. you can become feral, but you can't live off the grid. maybe a handful, 5-10 people, can find a niche that will last for a little while in alaska and other wild places. they'll get caught eventually, they always do. you can't own land without income. you can't have income off the grid. maybe you'll manage for a while longer in africa or asia/siberia.
probably not.
the fact is that that kind of life is gone.
Nathan Reed
I mean, my little off-grid town of 200 people were pretty fucking poor too. Everybody had like $300 to their names at all times, and we drove shitty cars all the time. But we loved it, and we didn't know any better.
>how is that not perfect Well, that stuff is fun for about 2 months. Then it gets kinda repetitive. There's always this nagging thought in the back of your mind too.
"you're never going anywhere with your life" "This is as good as it's ever going to get" "you're never going to leave" "you will never experience anything new besides this" "you will never have a different career" "you will never do anything that matters" "I have ever fucking tree and rock in this chunk of wilderness memorized"
But on the upside, it's fucking cozy. Living in untouched wilderness is kinda cool. Empty scenic roads, bright stars, freedom to do almost anything.
Chase Gonzalez
Going off the grid seems like a tough, but fulfilling decision to make. I've been flirting with the idea, bringing it up with my gf for a while now. I'd miss fast internet speeds and the comfort of knowing that an ambulance could be at my place in ten minutes, but it seems like it'd be nice to be isolated from society's bullshit.
Cameron Miller
Maybe it's because you were an antisocial druggie fuck face without a family (wife/kids) so you're going to be alone no matter what.
Ethan Ward
>solar panels >pinnacle of modern industry and science (quantum mechanics how they even works?) > pyramid of hundreds of millions people all over teh globe needed to create solar cells >look ma l abandoned modern civilization Who would make solar cells and power converters for you when they would break again?
Cooper Lewis
We will ascend OP.
In 200-300 years we'll be travelling the stars and terraforming planets. These now worlds will become rich Utopian "Edens" where technology and nature flow together in perfect harmony.
Disease will be eradicated, life will be extended, and our needs will be met so that we can devote our lives to science, art and philosophy.
Tyler Moore
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Henry Collins
What makes you think I was an antisocial druggie?
Nathan Scott
i love off gird living i get to spread shit like this online
By that logic, remove your clothes and go hunt wildebeest with your bare hands. Sperg
Hudson Phillips
>civilization falls >4 months of eternal darkness
Jonathan Morris
>You live every day in silent nature, usually smoking/drinking There's a lot of you fucks out there that think that living away from it all is about getting high, playing some music, and then acting surprised when your house burns down because you didn't clear a fucking fire break or some other basic thing. Here's the deal, if you're doing it right and not just living in a fucking trailer in the woods off of stolen utilities, then it's actually rather time and energy consuming. The fact that you didn't do anything constructive just says it all. Theres a million odd things to do in nature in your free time and if you're actually out in the woods then your free time isn't that much free time.
Ryder Murphy
what is this?
Isaac Harris
Unless we have some hardcore eugenics, well... then enjoy your genetically disease ridden soft pacifist cosmopolitan cunts everywhere who will become slaves to their own whims and vices.
Nolan Perez
clothes can be made without automated machines
Zachary Rodriguez
>implying you'll even be alive after those 4 months I got some bad news for you user
Adrian Clark
People who are truly off the grid have the CAPABILITY to live without it, but if it's available in current times why not also use it? I'd rather have them as long as I can before they break than never have them at all if society collapses.
Joseph Morgan
i live on a family farm i might just make it lad
Tyler Harris
>megapolis with skyscrapers is symbol of bright future I have bad news for you
Blake Peterson
Yeah that's why I said "after work" you smoke/drink and play cards.
Calm down. I know you've watched a lot of documentaries about autists who build a fucking house out of twigs and make it sustainable, but that's not really how it is.
Thomas Hughes
Once solar panels become affordable and usable and wifi becomes available in most areas, and cell phones work in the forest, I can finally leave humanity behind
Jeremiah Adams
>Calm down. I know you've watched a lot of documentaries about autists who build a fucking house out of twigs and make it sustainable, but that's not really how it is. Nice strawman.
Justin Martin
So what your saying is, you saw this picture and thought "Woah fuck laws and technology n shit"
Angel Edwards
Do you have weapons available to defend said farm? Cause even we cucknadians have guns. Maybe not the constitutional right to use them in self defence, but that never stopped anybody before
Gabriel Green
you're a fucking moron. I live in Fairbanks Alaska and plenty of people here and all over AK live off the grid. I don't even have running water. I shit in an outhouse at -50F but I still have income. In fact I'm in the processing of getting a masters degree in chemistry.
Ryan Hall
yes 2 moose rifles and a shotgun for birds
Ethan Barnes
You are dead wrong. You are dead.
Carson Gonzalez
You might just make it user, should the power ever go out for 4 months, I'll be rooting for you
Nolan Wright
good post.
Grayson Nelson
This post is correct. Also, no women. Overall, 7/10. Good enough to stay, because everywhere else has enormous drawbacks.
Logan Parker
You're literally autistic.
Nathan Reed
i hope that you and gretzky make it too user.
Joseph Hernandez
It's how everyone will do it in Libertarian Socialist Cascadia!
Angel King
Anyone ever built with earthbags? Soilcrete floor? Limeplaster walls? Solar power? Heated floors(HW tubing)? Seems like the ultimate redpill if you do it constructivly. You don't have to stay there 24/7. You don't have to be stuck. Have a good vehicle. An RV too. A job that allows flexibility.
Thomas Kelly
i want to learn all of that shit, user
Isaiah Wood
Oh no! We breath, and Muzzies breath, therefore we must all be Muzzies.
Ayden Gutierrez
U2
Owen Allen
>Nature is the ultimate design
It's actually a shitty design.
Civilization remedies most of its shortcomings.
Connor Ward
>no women
I forgot about this one. Possibly the worst one.
No. Fucking. Women.
There's like three good looking girls in town, and a handful of ugly ones.
Moving to the city seriously blew my mind. It's like an ocean of beautiful women. If you get rejected by one, you can get another sucking your dick in a week. It's INCREDIBLE.
>good enough to stay, because everywhere else has enormous drawbacks
I've been debating this to myself for a while. I kinda wanna move back into the woods, but I'm afraid of how depressing it can be.
Adam Cox
How did you make those solar panels out of the resources you personally collected from the local environment and processed into usable materials?
Oh looks like technology and government isn't actually all that bad after all.
Joshua Roberts
Yep and I can stop drinking/smoking pot at any time, I just chose not to right?
Luke Perry
Holy false equivalency batman!
Lucas Kelly
I see none of you technology-loving nerds can refute my airtight argument here. I'll paypal you five dollars if you can come up with a good counter
They did it right. Myself, planning on getting a fine little readhead with a damn good work ethic to help build and keep me company. Legal state. Uber lax building codes. Paradise.
Leo Nelson
Government subsidized carbon tax solar is blue pill
3D printed, robot assembled solar is red pill
Though I think both pills like the idea of solar on the roof and a house battery with no rip off utility to pay.
Justin Martin
I am planning to buy 30 acres of bush land.
Will live in a tent to start with.
Jacob Carter
Yep when the time comes and all my high tech gear star breaking I can just quit, and it's no problem at all. Life will be great when it's all gone... which is why I currently still use it all. Because I hate my self and want to suffer by having all this fancy technology.
Yep back to our roots. 98% of the population having to work at growing food sure was great. I mean I won't be doing more that hobby farming because I have important things to do but I have a vegetable garden so that's basically the same thing.
Jason Jones
imagine some of these come after you
Jayden Lee
>achieve such picture >country is shithole See the problem with such symbol? It in no way describes "essence of bright future" it is false and superficial like american smile. >she is your bright future! >follow her path and make her smile!
Adam Hill
We have those in the suburbs anyway m8.
Tyler Reyes
where you buying the land matey
Ian Garcia
are they really that big
Ryder Nguyen
Darling Downs in Queensland.
It is the only place I can afford.
Land is cheap af.
Wyatt Bailey
>don't pay taxes >live in cage or die Good luck with that 'off grid' pipe dream.
Anthony Long
can you grow kush up there? its the one amenity I need
Andrew Gutierrez
No they are usually smaller than the palm of your hand.
Matthew Jenkins
I guess you can. I don't see why not. Although I am no expert.
Logan Ward
LMAO love u Aussies. Steve is totally the hero of any animal loving US kid from the 90's. >KRIKEY MATE DID YOU SEE DIS BEAYUTEY RITE 'ERE. WOULD YOU JUST LOOK AT IT!
Jeremiah Clark
Even if you believe that technology and civilization are plagues which rob us of our humanity, kaczinskying isn't a solution because humans are group animals who have evolved to live in social units, so living in isolation is just as dehumanizing as prostrating yourself to a life that has been constructed for you. Primitivist communes, breh.
Dominic Walker
A lot of Americans seem to feel that way.
Ryan Hall
okay, this shit is creepy, i just saw this thread on catalog with 160+ replies, entered and it clearly said Archived and couldn't shitpost, and now it's fucking back and with half the posts....
Either i'm going crazy or Sup Forums is broken
Nolan Baker
That sounds amazing even just for a year or so
Jayden Bailey
DESU STOP
Jace Richardson
You don't need to live like Grizz Adams to be prepared to live like Grizz Adams in the event of societal breakdown.
This one's on the house.
Jayden Evans
You don't have to live in total isolation just like you don't have to never use plastics or skin a bear to make your own clothes. People always critique primitivism by attacking the lifestyle of its proponents, which is both not a fair critique and also irrelevant to the ethical claims made by primitivism.
William Hill
I still have a grudge against stingrays.
Ian Torres
thanks famalamadingdong
Daniel Morris
Nah. We are joining the galactic court.
Gabriel Evans
Your optimisim and knowledge are awe-inspiring.
Eli Roberts
>owned
Joshua Reyes
Surely you had or could have internet too.
Nathan Foster
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Jackson Baker
Well, maybe. But what if you do? You can't grow a vegetable garden overnight.
Alexander Ward
We're the natural outcome of a natural process.
Therefore anything we do is a continuation of that natural process.
Nothing we can do is unnatural since we are of nature.
Saying otherwise implies we are somehow detached on a fundamental level from this world and the universe at large.
Also, OP is a faggot.
Owen Hernandez
>terrestial living >red pilled
the best pill is the blue water pill >no property tax jew >can take your shelter over 3/4 of the earth's surface >don't have to worry about local politics >no laws on the high seas >ocean has limitless resources >coast guard cucks will rescue you in emergency for free >mastering the art that made western civilization superior
Josiah Thomas
You forgot:
- endless repair bills - absolutely exorbitant docking fees - can't actually go from continent to continent or even country to country unless it's an extremely expensive boat and you pay shitloads of fees and whatnot
Charles Garcia
Typically yes, but when your fellow people need you, you should answer the call of duty. For example: if there was a race war going on, white people should come out of the woods to help fight
Oliver Sanders
Humans are part of nature, We are higher order nature, there is more of God in your computer than there is in a tree. Rebooting to a simpler time is an afront to nature, we owe it to Being itself to see how far we can ride this train and build some suitable replacements that can keep it going places we can't reach with our tiny little animal brains.
Jaxon Clark
>no rip off utility to pay.
I live at roughly 9800'. Been using off-grid power for the past 8 years.
Not because I'm a filthy cocksucking hippie, but because going off-grid was far cheaper than the cost of installing grid power.
The upfront cost was huge (about $75,000) but cheaper than paying for an electrical drop--the quote I got from the power company was almost $200,000. On the bright side, I won’t have to replace batteries for at least 6 years, panels for at least 12.
Device consumption is constantly dropping as well. In 2009, my computer ate about 440W; today a new one only draws 87W. LED bulbs are more affordable, and brighter, than ever. I burn wood for heat, and keep propane as a back-up. Good insulation pays for itself 20 times over.
Joshua Ward
You are correct, user. At least have boy-scout training.
James Baker
>today a new one only draws 87W Are you talking about a laptop or a PC?
Bentley Perez
If you live in the middle of nowhere, when do you go to get groceries? Once a month and buy a huge amount?
I'm kinda stupid on that, I admire people living off-grid but what happens if I'm out of milk and the next store is an hour away.
Ayden Hughes
>falling for the water (Jew)
Dylan Campbell
>humans are group animals who have evolved to live in social units
Bullshit. People fucking hate each other. Niggers hate Whites. Citycucks hate Ruralfags. Children hate their parents. Women hate men.
Humanity would be better off if we all lived alone in caves and threw a big party once every three months.
Everyone could trek down from their caves, throw some wood on the bonfire, get shitfaced, and fuck like rabbits for a night.
Then go back to their cave and talk shit about each other online for the next 3 months.
It would be paradise.
James Wilson
>I hate technology!!!!!!! >n-now where do I get a solar power panel array so I can still use my computer...
it's no more expensive than house construction maybe it's different in europe, but you can anchor a boat just about anywhere other than shipping lanes here for free, just get one of these to go ashore
other than slave ships jews never had much to do with the ocean
Jeremiah Johnson
The secret m8, is realising you don't actually need milk.
Kayden Ortiz
Hating people and hating tech are two different things.
Chase Cruz
>but you can anchor a boat just about anywhere other than shipping lanes here for free, No clue about the neighboring countries, but in Croatia you can anchor it on the open sea here too, or whatever it's called, I'm sure that type of anchoring has a name, and then go to shore in a dinghy, but the problem is that locals absolutely fucking hate this everywhere and will fuck your boat up if you're not in it for a single day (because of course they want you to pay them to dock in front of their illegally built houses that look like a bunch of concrete pigeon shacks and ruin the entire coast).
Nicholas Ortiz
>Falling for the fiberglass jew.
Boats are black holes for money.
Even if you get a true steel adventuring boat, the fees to haul it out and repaint it, top & bottom, every few years.. Moorage fees.. Equipment.. Engine repairs.. Rigging maintenance.. Jesus.
There's a reason only rich people have sailboats.
And there's a reason the only poor people with sailboats are those guys who live on their broken down moldy sailboats at the ass end of sad marinas who dream of voyaging but never will because they don't have the money.
They sink their money into their boats year after year, "getting it ready".
But it's never ready. And never will be.
For most people, sailboats are where dreams go to die. And if not die, lie in stasis while they suck up all your money. All your money that could be going to real adventures, real happiness, instead going to a dream that you'll never fulfill.
Fuck sailboats.
Bentley Hughes
Solar panels are too expensive, battery bank and maintenance are too expensive. You'd be better off paying the electric bill
Nicholas Bennett
Can someone explain to me why everything related to boats is so fucking expensive? It's just plastic and paint and diesel engines that should last fucking forever.
I mean, I had the idea to do the whole sailboat thing, but at least in my country the costs are fucking ludicrous.
Lucas Ross
what would he say about this
Joseph Cooper
You can build it cheap with wood, fiberglass and nails. Or do what Mythbusters did and build a boat out of duct tape